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I am planning on doing a 6-8 weeks cycle of clen and T-3 and was wondering what is the best and most effective way to stack them. I will be using Ketotifin with the Clen to increase the length of its effectiveness. So should I take clen and T together at the same time or alternate them? if alternate, should I do two weeks clen two weeks T or should I do 3-4 weeks clen then 3-4 T? What is best?
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Take them both at the same time
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Thanks for the help...Do you have a preference on the T3. I've heard different opinions on tapering down. Any advice on that? And thanks again!
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No NEED to taper up or down.......but you probably should taper up, not beceause of thyroid issues, but just to accurately gauge how your body responds to certain doseages.
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Just don't go overboard with the T3, as soon as you ramp up the dosage you're not gonna have enough energy to get out of bed in the morning and you will be flat as fuck.
unless you're getting ready for a show, I would just stick with the clen, if it's just to tighten up and get in shape, Much better then fucking with T3.
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Just don't go overboard with the T3, as soon as you ramp up the dosage you're not gonna have enough energy to get out of bed in the morning and you will be flat as fuck.
unless you're getting ready for a show, I would just stick with the clen, if it's just to tighten up and get in shape, Much better then fucking with T3.
Curious as to why you think this. Energy shot, why? Flat, why?
I've taken butt ass loads of t-3 for years and never had any of this.
Further, I actually truly believe that t-3 is one of the safer drugs to take for fat loss purposes and least damaging to the body. Can it be damaging? Yes, but not as much as many other avenues IMO.
I'm taking t-3 right now, been on it for at least 5 or 6wks now, I sleep about 5hrs a night max, sometimes not at all, and I got all the energy I need. Well, let me rephrase, I sleep 5hrs a night or less, sometimes not at all, but usually crash hard about once every 2wks or so. I don't know how or why I've gotten this way, but it doesn't seem to be bothering me and it's been this way going on about a year now.
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Curious as to why you think this. Energy shot, why? Flat, why?
I've taken butt ass loads of t-3 for years and never had any of this.
Further, I actually truly believe that t-3 is one of the safer drugs to take for fat loss purposes and least damaging to the body. Can it be damaging? Yes, but not as much as many other avenues IMO.
I'm taking t-3 right now, been on it for at least 5 or 6wks now, I sleep about 5hrs a night max, sometimes not at all, and I got all the energy I need. Well, let me rephrase, I sleep 5hrs a night or less, sometimes not at all, but usually crash hard about once every 2wks or so. I don't know how or why I've gotten this way, but it doesn't seem to be bothering me and it's been this way going on about a year now.
Quote from wikipedia:
"T3 increases the basal metabolic rate and thus increases the body's oxygen and energy
consumption."
the loss of energy is part of how T3 works , in short T3 functions by burning through everything in your body, thus sapping you of energy, because your body is constantly burning fuel , and at a significantly higher rate then in homeostasis.
As far as why it makes you flat? because t3 is higly catabolic, it does not discriminate what it burns for energy, muscle, fat, etc. unless you're on a good stack of anabolics (which the original poster didn't mention) I would advise against going on T3 for the significant muscle loss. I've used t3 many times over the years as well, personally have always felt drained of energy on it, sleepy, tired and unless I was on a ton of gear, muscle was very flat looking.
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Quote from wikipedia:
"T3 increases the basal metabolic rate and thus increases the body's oxygen and energy
consumption."
the loss of energy is part of how T3 works , in short T3 functions by burning through everything in your body, thus sapping you of energy, because your body is constantly burning fuel , and at a significantly higher rate then in homeostasis.
As far as why it makes you flat? because t3 is higly catabolic, it does not discriminate what it burns for energy, muscle, fat, etc. unless you're on a good stack of anabolics (which the original poster didn't mention) I would advise against going on T3 for the significant muscle loss. I've used t3 many times over the years as well, personally have always felt drained of energy on it, sleepy, tired and unless I was on a ton of gear, muscle was very flat looking.
You are right, you shouldn't run t-3 without being on cycle...I agree with that for all the reasons you stated.
I should have stated that in my first post
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You are right, you shouldn't run t-3 without being on cycle...I agree with that for all the reasons you stated.
I should have stated that in my first post
It's all good :) T3 is a great drug when used with a good cycle, just out of curiosity which brand T3 were you using? I've used mostly Cytomel (from Mexico) and most recently the Turkish T3 and have felt lethargic on tired on them both.
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It's all good :) T3 is a great drug when used with a good cycle, just out of curiosity which brand T3 were you using? I've used mostly Cytomel (from Mexico) and most recently the Turkish T3 and have felt lethargic on tired on them both.
I've used Cynomel from Germany and France, I've used Cytomel that was from the U.S. and I've used my fair share of Liquid. Out of all the liquid stuff, IBE's line seems to me to be the best liquid equivalent there is.
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Just don't go overboard with the T3, as soon as you ramp up the dosage you're not gonna have enough energy to get out of bed in the morning and you will be flat as fuck.
unless you're getting ready for a show, I would just stick with the clen, if it's just to tighten up and get in shape, Much better then fucking with T3.
I am experiencing this lack of energy from T3 myself. After getting to work yesterday at 9am, I was so tired that I had to clear off a table in one of the back labs and sleep for an hour. Luckily, both my bosses are women that adore me so I can get away with shit like that. ;D
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so would running t3 only, without being on cycle, make me lose alot of muscle even if i kept protein levels up and continued lifting. i have been lifting for several years and have added alot of muscle, for me, but need to lose some fat right now. i am 40 years old and need some help.
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so would running t3 only, without being on cycle, make me lose alot of muscle even if i kept protein levels up and continued lifting. i have been lifting for several years and have added alot of muscle, for me, but need to lose some fat right now. i am 40 years old and need some help.
All the muscle you've gained in the last few years, will disappear on t3, unless you take it with some anabolics, remember, t3 doesn't discriminate what it burns for fuel, muscle tissue included.
Your best bet is to go on some mild anabolics while you plan on using the t3, at least that will help you stay out of the catabolic zone.
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I've used Cynomel from Germany and France, I've used Cytomel that was from the U.S. and I've used my fair share of Liquid. Out of all the liquid stuff, IBE's line seems to me to be the best liquid equivalent there is.
Arnold, I have two questions.....
What site is IBE ?
Can you take ECA stack with T3 to fight crashes or lack of energy?
And If you take t3 for just 6 weeks, will yoiu deffinately have a bad rebound of fat gain and metabolic shut down, or will you just go back to where you metabolism was before?
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Arnold, I have two questions.....
What site is IBE ?
http://www.innovative-research.net/
Can you take ECA stack with T3 to fight crashes or lack of energy?
If you're taking a strong course of AAS and eating and sleeping right, there shouldn't be any problems whatsoever. I am not a fan of ECA at all; far more in favor of clen. yes, they have some similarities, but clen does not constrict the blood vessels and suppress appetite in a negative way like ECA does.
And If you take t3 for just 6 weeks, will yoiu deffinately have a bad rebound of fat gain and metabolic shut down, or will you just go back to where you metabolism was before?
If you eat like shit, yes. If you eat like you ate while on it, no
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I Was getting ready to post the same question... I have been working on weightloss not really muscle building for the time being... The Army has decided if I dont loose 3lbs a month im gonna get demoted. Even if I go down in bodyfat % and not 3lbs...
So Ive come down from 275 to 240.. im jumping up and down 240-245 and cant seem to break through. I have done nothing but Diet and Cardio for the last 3 months.. and was wanting to try something to give me a weightloss boost. Is Clen/T3 the Answer?
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I Was getting ready to post the same question... I have been working on weightloss not really muscle building for the time being... The Army has decided if I dont loose 3lbs a month im gonna get demoted. Even if I go down in bodyfat % and not 3lbs...
So Ive come down from 275 to 240.. im jumping up and down 240-245 and cant seem to break through. I have done nothing but Diet and Cardio for the last 3 months.. and was wanting to try something to give me a weightloss boost. Is Clen/T3 the Answer?
It will help, but it's not the end all to end all.
Post your diet and cardio regiment and lets see if we can pin point some things that you can do to improve that as well.
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I Was getting ready to post the same question... I have been working on weightloss not really muscle building for the time being... The Army has decided if I dont loose 3lbs a month im gonna get demoted. Even if I go down in bodyfat % and not 3lbs...
So Ive come down from 275 to 240.. im jumping up and down 240-245 and cant seem to break through. I have done nothing but Diet and Cardio for the last 3 months.. and was wanting to try something to give me a weightloss boost. Is Clen/T3 the Answer?
Like Arnold said it's not the end all be all. However, I think a little clen would help you.
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I agree with what AJ said. that being said if you can get T3 (Trijodthyronin, Cytomel) Berlin-Chemie, Germany its pink pills that come in bottle of 60 with 50mcgs per tab!! BY far the best T-3 i have used and it goes for about 15 to 16 dolllars a bottle. Try and get this brand. It really made a difference than the cynomel i was using possibly cuz that was mexican t-3 25mcgs tabs. But the about mentioned is a solid product.
Always run a cycle while on t-3, like someone mentioned your body doesnt not discriminate against what it is burning (muscle or fat) ramp up your test doseage while running t-3. IMO also i would run clen with the t-3. If you are wanting to burn fat then combining the 2 is a far better option than just running one as they 2 compounds work differently in the body!! I dont know if there is a right or wrong answer on the ECA stack with the t-3, clen combo. ITs really up to the person and how your body responds. If you feel it will benefit you and you are tired on the t-3 the run some vasopro ephedrine or lipodrene or stimrex or somthing. I would only do this is you feel the need. If your diet and cardio are in check and the t-3 and clen i dont see a need to run the ECA combo but this is again a personal decision based on ones own body and how it responds.
Best of luck
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Sorry it takes me a while to resond im still in Iraq and am limited to internet.
My day usually goes something like this
8pm wake up
9pm Start work
930 pm - I have a sandwich wrap, usually consists of Turkey and Cheese W/ lettace, tomato, onions, and Jalopenos. (No mayo or mustard)
1130pm - I have a Salad W/ Light dressing, and usually a side of fruit.
5am Breakfast - 4 Hardboiled Egg whites, and a bowl of Ceareal, with Soy milk and toast.
930am Get off work and head home
945-11am Gym, (ill describe below)
11am I grab a tuna sandwich and take off the bread. and I eat an Apple.
12-2pm is my personal time... Time for emails phone and phone calls.
2pm - 8pm I sleep
As for my workouts...
Mon, Wed, Fri I do mixed cardio. we have a treadmil, bike, eliptical, and stairs. I usually do each one for 10 min. And increase the difficulty every min for the first 5 min. Then after 5 min I restart where I Was.
Tuesdays Are my Run days, I usually bust out 2 miles in 15 min then stop and bike 3 miles in 9, and alternate for the next hour or so.
Thursdays are my Bike/ Eliptical days, I alternate every 15 min.
****Each day I start with 25X4 Pushups and situps as a warm up.
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Sorry it takes me a while to resond im still in Iraq and am limited to internet.
My day usually goes something like this
Bro, I don't know how it is in your particular situation over there. Some of my buddies who have been deployed have said that trying to stay on a good eating plan is easy over there, but I realize every situation could be different. I'll write it out though assuming yours is like theirs
8pm wake up
9pm Start work
When you wake up, eat, don't wait an hour and a half, eat when you get up.
930 pm - I have a sandwich wrap, usually consists of Turkey and Cheese W/ lettace, tomato, onions, and Jalopenos. (No mayo or mustard)
If you're trying to lose weight, mustard is fine..eat all you want, it won't hurt a thing. However, if you're trying to lose weight, it's best to limit fruit, and if you're struggling, it's usually best to cut it out all together until you get the weight off. Yes, I know there are health benefits to fruit, but there is nothing in fruit that you need that you can't get somewhere else.
If you're struggling to lose weight, drop the cheese, it's just more unneeded calories.
1130pm - I have a Salad W/ Light dressing, and usually a side of fruit.
Drop the Light Dressing. Almost all light dressings still have lots of sugar, they call them light because they are low in fat. The fat in dressings is not the problem, it's the sugar. Find a sugar free Balsamic or Italian or use oil & vinegar.
...also, again, drop the fruit
5am Breakfast - 4 Hardboiled Egg whites, and a bowl of Ceareal, with Soy milk and toast.
Cereal, there is no place for cereal on a weight loss diet. Same goes for toast. Soy milk, if it's got any sugar in it, then absolutely toss the stuff in the trash. Plus, Soy is a poor choice for protein IMO
930am Get off work and head home
945-11am Gym, (ill describe below)
11am I grab a tuna sandwich and take off the bread. and I eat an Apple.
...again, fruit
12-2pm is my personal time... Time for emails phone and phone calls.
2pm - 8pm I sleep
As for my workouts...
Mon, Wed, Fri I do mixed cardio. we have a treadmil, bike, eliptical, and stairs. I usually do each one for 10 min. And increase the difficulty every min for the first 5 min. Then after 5 min I restart where I Was.
Tuesdays Are my Run days, I usually bust out 2 miles in 15 min then stop and bike 3 miles in 9, and alternate for the next hour or so.
Thursdays are my Bike/ Eliptical days, I alternate every 15 min.
****Each day I start with 25X4 Pushups and situps as a warm up.
Try steady paced cardio, stay in the 130 beats per minute range for the entire time...this is much more adequate for pure fat loss.
Notes on all I said:
*Drop the fruit
*Drop the bread
*Drop the Soy
*Drop the cheese
*Drop the cereal
*Drop the light dressing if it has sugar in it (there are some that don't but most do)
*Your 11:30p.m. meal, does it have protein with it? The way you wrote it out I am assuming no. Maybe there is meat in the salad, I don't know. Point being, there should be protein in every meal.
*Carbs should be limited, that's why the bread, cereal and all the fruit are not recommended.
*You should add in good fats, lean cuts of healthy fatty meats, nuts peanut butter, olive oil, whole eggs, fish oil, etc. You should rely on fats more then carbs for losing weight.
More notes on the fruit:
With my clients trying to lose weight, if they're a competitor fruit is taken out on day one. If they're not a competitor I limit their fruit intake to one piece per day...if this is the case I have them eat it in their first meal or the meal before they go to the gym. If weight loss stagnates, we cut it out all together until the weight is dropped.
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Small pieces of fruit stagered throughout a low carb diet will be beneficial.
Keep some carbs in your diet (probably best to sip on some sugars throughout your workout), or make sure every time you start to look 'flat" that you have a re-feed day. You'd don't have to worry about spiking your thyroid with carbs(cause your taking exogenous thyroid) but you do need to worry about keeping your body burning subcutaneous fat not just intramuscular triglycerides (a side effect of prolonged low carb no/carb dieting).
I wouldnt eat a large amount of dietary fat. Keep it to veggies and proteins, and add in extra fish oil and evening primrose. Any extra fat besides that will just slow down the fat loss (youll spend time burning dietary fat instead of bodyfat).
get in somewhere between 300-400g meat protein everyday.
pre workout drink 30-50g whey isolate ( a must when using t3 on low/no carbs )
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Small pieces of fruit stagered throughout a low carb diet will be beneficial.
Keep some carbs in your diet (probably best to sip on some sugars throughout your workout), or make sure every time you start to look 'flat" that you have a re-feed day. You'd don't have to worry about spiking your thyroid with carbs(cause your taking exogenous thyroid) but you do need to worry about keeping your body burning subcutaneous fat not just intramuscular triglycerides (a side effect of prolonged low carb no/carb dieting).
I wouldnt eat a large amount of dietary fat. Keep it to veggies and proteins, and add in extra fish oil and evening primrose. Any extra fat besides that will just slow down the fat loss (youll spend time burning dietary fat instead of bodyfat).
get in somewhere between 300-400g meat protein everyday.
pre workout drink 30-50g whey isolate ( a must when using t3 on low/no carbs )
I'm not trying to be an asshole, but I disagree with just about everything you said in that post.
For starters, this guy's primary concern is dropping body weight, he has no choice...the last thing he needs to do is add in sugar to his diet form any source at all.
As far as it goes when "looking flat" this means absolutely nothing...who cares? The goal is weight loss and body fat reduction, the goal is not how big can he look all pumped up. Even if it was and this has always been something that eeked the shit out of me. Being flatter looking while dieting means nothing, it is not an accurate gauge to progress.
Dietary fat: when you get your body to start relying on dietary fat as it's primary source of fuel and energy, you then trigger it to burn stored body fat when the dietary intake of fat is burned. When your body is almost relying solely on glycogen for fuel, when glycogen stores get low your body will pull the glycogen it needs from muscle tissue. Yes, you will still burn fat, but at a loss of muscle tissue, therefore slowing down your metabolism and making fat loss even harder.
Yes, carbs can be eaten on a diet, yes, you can lose body fat on a low fat diet...you can lose weight in many ways that are not similar to what I laid out. But I truly believe that for optimal fat loss, dietary fat is important and sugars have no place in the diet whatsoever. And when we're talking about someone who is struggling with fat loss, these things become even more important.
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For starters, this guy's primary concern is dropping body weight, he has no choice...the last thing he needs to do is add in sugar to his diet form any source at all.
I didnt advocate adding in any sugar, except maybe to drink while he is working out. On t3 your going to be burnign through a shit load of energy, and probably a whole lot of amino acids(muscle tissue) while working out. the sugar would prevent this from occuring.
As far as it goes when "looking flat" this means absolutely nothing...who cares? The goal is weight loss and body fat reduction, the goal is not how big can he look all pumped up. Even if it was and this has always been something that eeked the shit out of me. Being flatter looking while dieting means nothing, it is not an accurate gauge to progress.
Being flat DOES matter. the longer you are depleted and the flatter you are, the more likely you are to release cortisol and to become catabolic. also, you need glycogen to lift weights without eaing muscle. and you also needs carbs and glycogen in your system to be able to metabolize fat.
Dietary fat: when you get your body to start relying on dietary fat as it's primary source of fuel and energy, you then trigger it to burn stored body fat when the dietary intake of fat is burned. When your body is almost relying solely on glycogen for fuel, when glycogen stores get low your body will pull the glycogen it needs from muscle tissue. Yes, you will still burn fat, but at a loss of muscle tissue, therefore slowing down your metabolism and making fat loss even harder. No. whether or not your body uses fats for fuel is based on the availability of carbohydrates, NOT THE PRESENCE OF DIETARY FAT. when carbs get low, you use fat. automatically. your body has regulatory hormones that make it work this way.
Yes, carbs can be eaten on a diet, yes, you can lose body fat on a low fat diet...you can lose weight in many ways that are not similar to what I laid out. But I truly believe that for optimal fat loss, dietary fat is important and sugars have no place in the diet whatsoever. And when we're talking about someone who is struggling with fat loss, these things become even more important.
certain essential fats are important. omega 3 omega 6 and to a very small extent omega 9. supplementing with fish oils and evening primorose oils will boost fat metabolism and overall BMR (and aid in protein synthesis), butadding in other sources of dietary fat will not be of any benefit to fat loss goals
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Small pieces of fruit stagered throughout a low carb diet will be beneficial.
Keep some carbs in your diet (probably best to sip on some sugars throughout your workout), or make sure every time you start to look 'flat" that you have a re-feed day. You'd don't have to worry about spiking your thyroid with carbs(cause your taking exogenous thyroid) but you do need to worry about keeping your body burning subcutaneous fat not just intramuscular triglycerides (a side effect of prolonged low carb no/carb dieting).
I wouldnt eat a large amount of dietary fat. Keep it to veggies and proteins, and add in extra fish oil and evening primrose. Any extra fat besides that will just slow down the fat loss (youll spend time burning dietary fat instead of bodyfat).
get in somewhere between 300-400g meat protein everyday.
pre workout drink 30-50g whey isolate ( a must when using t3 on low/no carbs )
Overkill.
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Overkill.
Not at all.
General recommendation for protein intake is about 1.5 g per lb bodyweight. When dieting, it goes up to 2g per lb. On t3, since your rate of protein turnover increases with the rest of your metabolism, you'll need to increase the protein even further (just to avoid muscle loss).
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Not at all.
General reccomendation for protein itake is about 1.5 g per lb bodyweight. When dieting, it goes up to 2g per lb. On t3, since your rate of protein turnover increases with the rest of your metabolism, youll need to increase the protien even further (just to avoid muscle loss).
IMO - 400 grams of protein is overkill.
I've done that & more before & it wasn't fun. I felt horrible & bloated all the time.
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Well lets say you eat 6 meals per day. 400/6 = 66.66 g per meal. Wich is about 12 ounces meat. if all your eating is meat + veggies +fishoil/eveingin primrose caps... youll be full but it wont be too much. and on t3 you def need extra protein.
( you could even reduce that to 350 g total meat, and take in 50 g whey isolate pre workout...which would be more beneficial than spreading out those 50 grams over the 6 meals.)
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Taylor, nothing personal but you're impossible to have any real/quality discussions &/or disagreements with. Because anyone who doesn't agree with what you say, has done something different & gotten good results, &/or has real practical experience (not just reading countless articles) is automatically wrong in your book & not even worthing discussing - or you go off the deep end on them. In a nutshell you're incredibly close minded.
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ahhh fuck it. i wrote a big reply.
never mind
think what you wish
i have no interest in seeing you prosper
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I didnt advocate adding in any sugar, except maybe to drink while he is working out. On t3 your going to be burnign through a shit load of energy, and probably a whole lot of amino acids(muscle tissue) while working out. the sugar would prevent this from occuring.
Sugar does not prevent burning through muscle tissue. Drinking sugar while you workout will not protect your amino acids
Being flat DOES matter. the longer you are depleted and the flatter you are, the more likely you are to release cortisol and to become catabolic.
Being flat has nothing to do with the actual amount of muscle tissue you still have. When you're full, you're full simply because your muscles are full of glycogen. Being flat does not create a negative hormone release.
also, you need glycogen to lift weights without eaing muscle. and you also needs carbs and glycogen in your system to be able to metabolize fat.
You're right, you need a certain amount of glycogen to be able to train. To get through a 1hour weight lifting session, you only need approximately 50g of carbs in your system. If you are eating a very low carb diet, not zero carbs but very low carb and if you have one meal a wk that is a refeed or cheat meal, you will have plenty of glycogen in your system to train. True, you may not be able to lift with the amount of energy you would have if you weren't dieting, but if you are dieting this is just the way it is...dieting is hard.
No. whether or not your body uses fats for fuel is based on the availability of carbohydrates, NOT THE PRESENCE OF DIETARY FAT. when carbs get low, you use fat. automatically. your body has regulatory hormones that make it work this way.
Carbs and fats are both energy sources. Carbohydrates are always picked by the body first to burn for energy. The body naturally wants to store fats when carbohydrates are abundant for energy. When the body is used to burning carbs for energy, it will always convert muscle tissue into glycogen when outside glycogen is absent; this is how the human body works; it doesn't matter if you don't want it to work that way, it's simply how the body works. Now, even though it works this way, it doesn't mean you cannot change it; homeostasis is beatable. If excess glycogen is taken away, initially the body will start converting muscle tissue for glycogen, but if dietary fat stores are built up, if enough keytones are built up in the system, naturaly, the body will begin relying on those keytone bodies for fuel keytones = fats. Relying on fats for fuel = relying on more stored bodyfat when the stored dietary fat is burned.
certain essential fats are important. omega 3 omega 6 and to a very small extent omega 9. supplementing with fish oils and evening primorose oils will boost fat metabolism and overall BMR (and aid in protein synthesis), butadding in other sources of dietary fat will not be of any benefit to fat loss goals
Well if providing an adequate slow burning fuel source won't aid in fat loss then nothing will. Yes, if you diet like I recommend, like any diet it will be tough, you will not have as much energy as if you weren't dieting. But on a diet where fats are in place in a positive way, you will not have energy ups and downs, if you do it right you will remain in a good steady state of energy levels. There will be no blood sugar crashes, there should be no dizziness, or that worn out feeling that you get when you diet on a very low fat diet.
Generally it takes about a wk for the body to adjust to this type of dieting. The first 4-7 days can be pretty tough, but if you can make it through that, it will be more then worth it.
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No, having discussions with me is more than possible. You just have to be able to respect me. Because I don't take a tone of "student" with you, and because your 'older' than I am, you automatically find what I have to say as irritating, annoying, "know-it-all"ish, and you don't want to hear it. I have dealt with people like you all my life. People who can not stand a person who is younger than them but is on the same intellectual playing field, and knows it.
Heres a tip, forget you know who I am, read what i have to say, try my suggestions, and evaluate an opinion on my ideas based on how effective they are.
I'm sure once you do that you'll see me in a whole new light.
Oh and spelling and gramatical errors on a message board shows nothing except a lack of care for precision.
Taylor, I think you again miss the point. I could care less if you think of me as a teacher, jedi master, friend, or whatever. It doesn't matter to me - I'm a moderator on a board trying to maintain some order (when I can). I also could care less if you're older, younger, same age, smarter, dumber, equal. It (again) doesn't matter to me (unlike a lot of people I have some humility). I'm not intimidated or threatened by someone younger, faster, stronger, etc (if I would I probably would've married some mail order bride that can barely speak English & is completely submissive, instead I got a really smart, strong, & independent women). As for your posts I'll read what you say - if I disagree I'll say so, if I think something should be modified I'll say so, & if you're right I'll also say so. I think it's your attitude has turned others away & therefor they ignore what you say. (again) I don't mean this as an insult but you tend to overreact when someone disagrees with you, just part of your personality - it is what it is.
If you'll remember in the beginning I tried to help you - you can't deny that.
I was only razzing you because I kept getting PMs saying this "tbombz" was you even though I had that feeling already (other then you overreacting & sometimes being a little immature I don't have anything against you). I still don't understand why you changed your name. Why couldn't you have just chilled out? & don't blame other people - you can't control their reactions only your own.
As for the spelling & grammar - USE SPELL CHECK BITCH...English Major here dude. ;)
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Taylor, I think you again miss the point. I could care less if you think of me as a teacher, jedi master, friend, or whatever. It doesn't matter to me - I'm a moderator on a board trying to maintain some order (when I can). I also could care less if you're older, younger, same age, smarter, dumber, equal. It (again) doesn't matter to me (unlike a lot of people I have some humility). I'm not intimidated or threatened by someone younger, faster, stronger, etc (if I would I probably would've married some mail order bride that can barely speak English & is completely submissive, instead I got a really smart, strong, & independent women). As for your posts I'll read what you say - if I disagree I'll say so, if I think something should be modified I'll say so, & if you're right I'll also say so. I think it's your attitude has turned others away & therefor they ignore what you say. (again) I don't mean this as an insult but you tend to overreact when someone disagrees with you, just part of your personality - it is what it is.
If you'll remember in the beginning I tried to help you - you can't deny that.
I was only razzing you because I kept getting PMs saying this "tbombz" was you even though I had that feeling already (other then you overreacting & sometimes being a little immature I don't have anything against you). I still don't understand why you changed your name. Why couldn't you have just chilled out? & don't blame other people - you can't control their reactions only your own.
As for the spelling & grammar - USE SPELL CHECK BITCH...English Major here dude. ;)
Great post
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ahhh fuck it. i wrote a big reply.
never mind
think what you wish
i have no interest in seeing you prosper
That's ok I quoted it for posterity. Damn...well unlike you towards me I don't wish you any ill will. In fact I hope you're successful at your goal to be a bodybuilder. I'll also extend the same invite to you that I've extended to others here - if you ever make your way to Michigan look me up. I'll be more then happy to train or get a beer with you.
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Sugar does not prevent burning through muscle tissue. Drinking sugar while you workout will not protect your amino acids
absoltuely YES sugar will prevent using amino acids. this is fact.
Being flat has nothing to do with the actual amount of muscle tissue you still have. When you're full, you're full simply because your muscles are full of glycogen. Being flat does not create a negative hormone release.
You're right, you need a certain amount of glycogen to be able to train. To get through a 1hour weight lifting session, you only need approximately 50g of carbs in your system. If you are eating a very low carb diet, not zero carbs but very low carb and if you have one meal a wk that is a refeed or cheat meal, you will have plenty of glycogen in your system to train. True, you may not be able to lift with the amount of energy you would have if you weren't dieting, but if you are dieting this is just the way it is...dieting is hard.
Okay this is where dave palumbo is totally wrong. you will not have 50g stored glycogen by eating 50g carbs from veggies. those will al get used by the body long before they are stored as glycogen - and even if they did make it into muscle cell it would rapidly be used as energy. and you need more than 50g to train effectively anyway.
Carbs and fats are both energy sources. Carbohydrates are always picked by the body first to burn for energy. The body naturally wants to store fats when carbohydrates are abundant for energy. When the body is used to burning carbs for energy, it will always convert muscle tissue into glycogen when outside glycogen is absent; this is how the human body works; it doesn't matter if you don't want it to work that way, it's simply how the body works. Now, even though it works this way, it doesn't mean you cannot change it; homeostasis is beatable. If excess glycogen is taken away, initially the body will start converting muscle tissue for glycogen, but if dietary fat stores are built up, if enough keytones are built up in the system, naturaly, the body will begin relying on those keytone bodies for fuel keytones = fats. Relying on fats for fuel = relying on more stored bodyfat when the stored dietary fat is burned.
this is also flawed. Your body does not convert amino acids into glycogen. doesnt happen. your body will convert amino avcids into glucose when it needs glucose...throughout the day it will do so minimaly and while your trianing it will do so rapidly. ketones are a by product of fat metabolism. fat metabolism occurs with a lack of carbohydrates. NOT BY THE PRESENCE OF DIETARY FAT. cut carbs - ketones will come. but fats can only be used by certain tissues for certain things. you still ALWAYS have a base glucose deman...regardless of how long youve been on zero carbs. and when your trainign, you ALWAYS have to use glucose for fuel.
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Great post
Thank you.
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As for the spelling & grammar - USE SPELL CHECK BITCH...English Major here dude. ;)
Yeah OKAY, like you would ever call me a Bitch to my face. You wouldnt even say what you thought about me untill you thought i wasnt reading the board anymore. ;D
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Yeah OKAY, like you would ever call me a Bitch to my face. You wouldnt even say what you thought about me untill you thought i wasnt reading the board anymore. ;D
Why not post under your old handle?
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Yeah OKAY, like you would ever call me a Bitch to my face. You wouldnt even say what you thought about me untill you thought i wasnt reading the board anymore. ;D
What reason would I have to call you a bitch to your face? If I fuck with you a little (or a lot for that matter) it means I like you. Come on...did you really think I thought you would stop reading the board? You're a fucking junkie for getbig like the rest of us. Just settle down...which is what I've tried to drill into your head all along.
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Go away Taylor. You pollute the board.
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Okay this is where dave palumbo is totally wrong. you will not have 50g stored glycogen by eating 50g carbs from veggies. those will al get used by the body long before they are stored as glycogen - and even if they did make it into muscle cell it would rapidly be used as energy. and you need more than 50g to train effectively anyway.
Tell that to the thousands who see results and diet this way. You can argue all you want, but you can't argue with actual real life proof. Real life application wins every time.
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Tell that to the thousands who see results and diet this way. You can argue all you want, but you can't argue with actual real life proof. Real life application wins every time.
The problem with his theories is they are all based on facts/theories - over thinking and too much of "this should happen because of x" The real world is different and everybody is different. Palumbo knows his shit from real world practice
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arnoldjr-
Of course they see results. Caloric deficit with high protein intake and weight training + cardio = guaranteed results. that doesn't mean it cant be improved upon.
if real life application wins every time then the guys who are the most shredded are who we should follow. now who is the most shredded when it comes to show time? certainly not palumbo's guys.
look at the past and who comes in the most dialed.. most of those guys diet low fat, moderate carb, high protein. FACT.
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now that you know who i am you hate, but before when you didnt it was all good. still mad because i deleted my post about serms/ai's and effecting the conversion of gh into igf-1 after you questioned my reply? whats funy about you is one week you are asking beginner questions and the next week you are telling us iin depth details about your slin/gh/t3/test +diet +training protocols. novice to guru overnight?
RimbaUD- mAYBE I MISREAD YOU. Dont know.
Donny- Hi alex23. :)
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arnoldjr-
Of course they see results. Caloric deficit with high protein intake and weight training + cardio = guaranteed results. that doesn't mean it cant be improved upon.
if real life application wins every time then the guys who are the most shredded are who we should follow. now who is the most shredded when it comes to show time? certainly not palumbo's guys.
look at the past and who comes in the most dialed.. most of those guys diet low fat, moderate carb, high protein. FACT.
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now that you know who i am you hate, but before when you didnt it was all good. still mad because i deleted my post about serms/ai's and effecting the conversion of gh into igf-1 after you questioned my reply? whats funy about you is one week you are asking beginner questions and the next week you are telling us iin depth details about your slin/gh/t3/test +diet +training protocols. novice to guru overnight?
RimbaUD- mAYBE I MISREAD YOU. Dont know.
Donny- Hi alex23. :)
Candidizzle - you really think Im Alex23? Go back to posting under your real user name.
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nah. in fact i might just have too delete this fucking internet entirely. im addicted. lol. i dont want my face or name to be heard or seen by any body in the entire industry. not for a while .
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nah. in fact i might just have too delete this fucking internet entirely. im addicted. lol. i dont want my face or name to be heard or seen by any body in the entire industry. not for a while .
But you are very obvious. All someone has to do is say "Fish oils make you fat" and you will come running. Get your ISP to block GetBig and all the other forums and you will be set in a few years time.
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Yeah OKAY, like you would ever call me a Bitch to my face. You wouldnt even say what you thought about me untill you thought i wasnt reading the board anymore. ;D
Why the "tough guy" routine?
Rimbaud - Maybe I misread you. I Don't know.
Fixed.
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Go away Taylor. You pollute the board.
Actually he could be a fine member of the board. The problem is so much shit around him was stirred up on the G&O board that followed him here. Part of it was his fault & part of it was others. If he could've just chilled & ignored what people say...things would've mellowed out & all would be well.
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Actually he could be a fine member of the board. The problem is so much shit around him was stirred up on the G&O board that followed him here. Part of it was his fault & part of it was others. If he could've just chilled & ignored what people say...things would've mellowed out & all would be well.
You are exactly right. I just wanted to see if he had learned not to respond to attacks. Learning to ignore people and take the high road would go a long way toward developing maturity.
Taylor, I was just screwing around with you. Did it ever occur to you that some people on the board might use these substances based on what they were taught, and might be pretty knowledgable based on practical use over the years, but might not have a complete understanding of the science behind the drugs?
Just so you will know, I was doing cycles before you were born and have probably done at least one for every year you have been alive. But, I'll admit that I still have a lot to learn about exactly how they work. I haven't always used them properly.
What you describe as beginner questions I often ask to learn the details, even though I already have a pretty good idea how to use the drugs properly. I like to compare notes with the more experienced guys on the board. For example, I have used T3 a million times, but I still ask Arnold and the other guys how to use it.
Unlike you, I don't know everything and I know it. I think it's annoying, but slightly funny that you are arguing with Arnold about diet. Do you really think you know more than he does?
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arnoldjr-
Of course they see results. Caloric deficit with high protein intake and weight training + cardio = guaranteed results. that doesn't mean it cant be improved upon.
You're right, things can be improved upon. The dieting you speak of works, I cannot argue that. It's worked for a lot of guys for years. But that doesn't mean it's the only way to do things; and it certainly doesn't mean it's the best. Just because people have been doing something one way for a long times doesn't make it best.
if real life application wins every time then the guys who are the most shredded are who we should follow. now who is the most shredded when it comes to show time? certainly not palumbo's guys.
The way I advise on diets is very similar to what Dave says. Completely a mirror image? Sometimes but not all the time; there are certain things that I will change when it comes to certain clients; like always said, everyone is different but in general the base rules always apply.
Now, as far as Dave's guys coming in the most shredded or not; even the people who don't like Dave or don't like his diets, most of these people will not argue the fact that his guys almost always come in with better condition then anyone else. For the last 3 years his competitors have dominated the national stage; both male and female. If you want to argue facts, look at the placements in the 5 big national shows the past 3 years and compare who had more top 5 finishers between Dave and the other guys. Now if Dave has more top 5 finishers then Joe Blow, no matter how much you disagree with his style of dieting, you cannot deny the fact that it is producing quality show placement, so there must be something to it.
look at the past and who comes in the most dialed.. most of those guys diet low fat, moderate carb, high protein. FACT.
Like I said above, you're right, this type of dieting will work but it doesn't make it best. Most guys have dieted this way for years, again you're right, this is a fact.
But look at it this way, take the Golden Years of bodybuilding, and compare it to say the 1990's, the guys in the 90's did not diet at all like the guys in the 60's and 70's, not even remotely. Now what the guys did in the 60's and 70's worked; they came i ripped and shredded. But low and behold, the guys in the 90's came in even more ripped and shredded, better conditioned, lower body fat and carrying more muscle. Would you say that because they dieted differently then the 70"s guys that they had it all wrong? Doubtful.
Now, flash forward to the present, more and more guys are using the low carb moderate fat approach and this number seems to be increasing every year. More and more of these guys are getting top placements in shows, some are Palumbo's guys, some aren't. So there must be something to it.
Last thing, you knock this style of dieting a lot. Myself, I was very skeptical at first, I was nervous that I would lose more muscle then needed dieting this way. But after a time, I saw what it was producing, and I decided to give it a try for myself. I decided that if it didn't work it would not be the end of the world, after all it's not like trying a diet and it failing means your life is over, you will recover. But guess what happened? It worked, it worked better then any style of diet I've used. I did the low fat and carb cycling for years, yes I could get in very good shape this way, but not near like I can on a high protein, low carb, moderate fat diet. You come in leaner, you come in harder, and that's pretty much the whole point.
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Unlike you, I don't know everything and I know it.
Haha. Dude, you have me all wrong. i would love to know everything. thats why i ask so may questions. maybe soemtimes your misinterpreting my way of learning as "arguing". but for me asking questions and looking for a more detailed response is how i learn.
I think it's annoying, but slightly funny that you are arguing with Arnold about diet. Do you really think you know more than he does?
ummm. well how can you quantify "how much you know" i certainly think that th epoints i am makin in me & arnolds DISCUSSION (thats what it is.. i personally consider arnold a friend and somebody who has helped me out in the past and somebody i woudl help out - if i could , without a moments hesitation) are certainly valid and worthy of taking notice too. i learn from the best in whatever i want to know, and personally, while when i was a newB i did think palumbo was gold, now i realize his mehods can greatly be improved upon.
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Alright, I finally got to use the internet again... It seems I missed out on all the excitement.
So... first off... Yes there is ALOT of food options available to me... (during chow hall hours) I wake up at 8pm and don't eat till 930 because thats the first chance I have to get some food... Its about a mile to the nearest place to eat (which happens to be next to where I work) However the only thing available to eat at that time is Sandwich's or wrap's.
So to limit carbs, ill eat a wrap. and cut out the cheese. throw on some mustard...
* Does the meats matter? There is a lot of different stuff to pick from, Tuna, Turkey, Ham, Roast Beef, Pastrami.. I usually get Turkey or Tuna, The reason I'm asking is because someone told me that I should try to avoid the processed meats.
the 1130pm meal, I have the option of getting fried eggs, hardboiled eggs, more sandwich meat... I usually grab some ham or turkey and chop it up and throw it on my salad... (Ill drop the low fat dressings) is Caesar good? or ranch? or do i have to drop it all completely?
Breakfast is the most extensive meal I can get, if there is a breakfast food you can name I can probably get it. Is cottage cheese good for you? I know it has protein. Also with Eggs... There is Fried eggs, Scrambled powder eggs, and hard boiled eggs... Which is best for me? They also have ham, sausage, and bacon available but I don't get it. should I? Also I can throw in a scoop of nuts, we do have those. And I will drop cearal all together.
Then after my workout I have access to some food again. My options consist of sandwich, macaroni salad, potato salad, chips, fruit, cereal.... Nothing really good for me, I have been just getting the sandwich and eating it without bread. not really filling either, but its probably best not to eat a lot before I go to sleep.
I know this is a bodybuilding forum but I'm trying to improve my run also. Does anyone here do much of that? if so let me know I have more questions running related.
Last but not least... Drinks...
I know I should drink LOTS of water.. a gallon a day is what people say.
What is your thoughts on water flavor packs IE: Crystal Light
How about Diet drinks? 0 carbs, 0 Cal's? should I avoid them or am I good to drink em?
*** Side note, I'm taking daily vitamins, and fish oils, I have a tub of glutamines I haven't really been using that often.
I guess to really sum it up, I will be coming home later this month and have a chance to buy whatever I need and send it to myself. because I will be coming back for 9 more months. And I would love to get the MOST out of the next 9 months as possible. Ideally I would like to drop my bodyfat% to 15 or below, and then once I get "fit", I want to start lifting and get big the right way. But until I get this bodyfat and weight under control I cant lift without being demoted.
Thanks for all the tips and support BTW.
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Now, as far as Dave's guys coming in the most shredded or not; even the people who don't like Dave or don't like his diets, most of these people will not argue the fact that his guys almost always come in with better condition then anyone else. For the last 3 years his competitors have dominated the national stage; both male and female. If you want to argue facts, look at the placements in the 5 big national shows the past 3 years and compare who had more top 5 finishers between Dave and the other guys. Now if Dave has more top 5 finishers then Joe Blow, no matter how much you disagree with his style of dieting, you cannot deny the fact that it is producing quality show placement, so there must be something to it.
you know he is very hit and miss. and maybe thats because some of his guys dont listen to him. i think certainly his method of prep is effective and will create a 'shredded' physique. no doubt. but i dont think its ideal for most people.
But look at it this way, take the Golden Years of bodybuilding, and compare it to say the 1990's, the guys in the 90's did not diet at all like the guys in the 60's and 70's, not even remotely. Now what the guys did in the 60's and 70's worked; they came i ripped and shredded. But low and behold, the guys in the 90's came in even more ripped and shredded, better conditioned, lower body fat and carrying more muscle. Would you say that because they dieted differently then the 70"s guys that they had it all wrong? Doubtful. Here you are right again - the conditioning of the 1990's was most likely due to drugs than it was do diet knowledge.
Now, flash forward to the present, more and more guys are using the low carb moderate fat approach and this number seems to be increasing every year. More and more of these guys are getting top placements in shows, some are Palumbo's guys, some aren't. So there must be something to it. i think more and more are switching to low carb high fat because guys are starting to learn A LITTLE BIT, but not alot. like, most guys now know how carbs fats and proteins all wrk and how insulin and glucagon and gh all effect metabolism. an elementary knowledge of these basic concepts = low carb diet. (( depleted glycogen, low insulin = fat metabolism. )
Last thing, you knock this style of dieting a lot. Myself, I was very skeptical at first, I was nervous that I would lose more muscle then needed dieting this way. But after a time, I saw what it was producing, and I decided to give it a try for myself. I decided that if it didn't work it would not be the end of the world, after all it's not like trying a diet and it failing means your life is over, you will recover. But guess what happened? It worked, it worked better then any style of diet I've used. I did the low fat and carb cycling for years, yes I could get in very good shape this way, but not near like I can on a high protein, low carb, moderate fat diet. You come in leaner, you come in harder, and that's pretty much the whole point. if someone has tried several methods, and they find a certain method works best for them - nthey should never listent o what someone says baout ttheir method being less than ideal. because everybodies different and youve got to do what works for you.
that being said, for myself and most guys that i know, the most effectiive diet is high protien moderate carb low fat. i always look my best with this kind of diet. for me, low carb doesnt produce half the physique that low fat produces.
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So to limit carbs, ill eat a wrap. and cut out the cheese. throw on some mustard...
* Does the meats matter? There is a lot of different stuff to pick from, Tuna, Turkey, Ham, Roast Beef, Pastrami.. I usually get Turkey or Tuna, The reason I'm asking is because someone told me that I should try to avoid the processed meats.
yes avoid processed meats - they are high in fat. just eat dead animal. its that simple.
I know this is a bodybuilding forum but I'm trying to improve my run also. Does anyone here do much of that? if so let me know I have more questions running related.
one thing all of us are all going to agree on is that running is not conducive to a bodybuilding physique - so i doubt any body willl be able to help you thre. try the training board, maybe somebody there will know.
Last but not least... Drinks...
I know I should drink LOTS of water.. a gallon a day is what people say.
What is your thoughts on water flavor packs IE: Crystal Light
How about Diet drinks? 0 carbs, 0 Cal's? should I avoid them or am I good to drink em?
diet drinks are fine. may i suggest diet green tea froom lipton? i love that stuff !
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unfortunately dead animal wasn't on the menu ... lol
Maybe i should just eat tuna? scoops and scoops of tuna... ha ha
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unfortunately dead animal wasn't on the menu ... lol
Maybe i should just eat tuna? scoops and scoops of tuna... ha ha
yeah ! tuna is great ! just doesnt taste so great ;D
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yeah ! tuna is great ! just doesnt taste so great ;D
That's what hot sauce is for...however, that being said I still won't eat it.
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Alright, I finally got to use the internet again... It seems I missed out on all the excitement.
So... first off... Yes there is ALOT of food options available to me... (during chow hall hours) I wake up at 8pm and don't eat till 930 because thats the first chance I have to get some food... Its about a mile to the nearest place to eat (which happens to be next to where I work) However the only thing available to eat at that time is Sandwich's or wrap's.
So to limit carbs, ill eat a wrap. and cut out the cheese. throw on some mustard...
* Does the meats matter? There is a lot of different stuff to pick from, Tuna, Turkey, Ham, Roast Beef, Pastrami.. I usually get Turkey or Tuna, The reason I'm asking is because someone told me that I should try to avoid the processed meats.
the 1130pm meal, I have the option of getting fried eggs, hardboiled eggs, more sandwich meat... I usually grab some ham or turkey and chop it up and throw it on my salad... (Ill drop the low fat dressings) is Caesar good? or ranch? or do i have to drop it all completely?
Breakfast is the most extensive meal I can get, if there is a breakfast food you can name I can probably get it. Is cottage cheese good for you? I know it has protein. Also with Eggs... There is Fried eggs, Scrambled powder eggs, and hard boiled eggs... Which is best for me? They also have ham, sausage, and bacon available but I don't get it. should I? Also I can throw in a scoop of nuts, we do have those. And I will drop cearal all together.
Then after my workout I have access to some food again. My options consist of sandwich, macaroni salad, potato salad, chips, fruit, cereal.... Nothing really good for me, I have been just getting the sandwich and eating it without bread. not really filling either, but its probably best not to eat a lot before I go to sleep.
I know this is a bodybuilding forum but I'm trying to improve my run also. Does anyone here do much of that? if so let me know I have more questions running related.
Last but not least... Drinks...
I know I should drink LOTS of water.. a gallon a day is what people say.
What is your thoughts on water flavor packs IE: Crystal Light
How about Diet drinks? 0 carbs, 0 Cal's? should I avoid them or am I good to drink em?
*** Side note, I'm taking daily vitamins, and fish oils, I have a tub of glutamines I haven't really been using that often.
I guess to really sum it up, I will be coming home later this month and have a chance to buy whatever I need and send it to myself. because I will be coming back for 9 more months. And I would love to get the MOST out of the next 9 months as possible. Ideally I would like to drop my bodyfat% to 15 or below, and then once I get "fit", I want to start lifting and get big the right way. But until I get this bodyfat and weight under control I cant lift without being demoted.
Thanks for all the tips and support BTW.
Being that you're limited to what you can get I think you're doing a good job. Yes there are things you can change though.
The salad dressing, things like regular ranch or Greek are bad for you no question. What I was getting at with the Light dressings was that even though they have less fat they still have all the sugar. You need sugar free dressings or you need to let that stuff go...your pick.
*Stay away from the breakfast meats
*Any type of egg is fine as long as it's not cooked in a bunch of butter...in your case the hard boiled is probably going to be the best bet. Now if they are using non fat cooking spray to cook the other types of eggs then it doesn't matter what kind of egg you eat.
*Processed meats shouldn't be your first choice, but if that's all you got don't worry about it.
*If you're training regularly and staying active, don't worry about eating before you go to bed.
*Cottage cheese is OK, not the best or worst option.
*Any drink is fine if it has no sugar.
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Let me recap everything...
No salad dressing...
No breakfast meat
No ceareal
No Soy Milk
No breads (or other big carb sources)
No Cheese
No Fruit
So considering 2 of my 4 meals are sandwich's I can just drop the bread and eat a bunch of tuna or turkey ect.
ill throw in some eggs on the 1130pm meal with my salad, mabye some oil/vineger
last but not least breakfast... so no meats, (other then eggs) ** Do egg yolks matter? some people say not to eat them?** So with no other meats, obviosuly no hashbrowns, biscuits and gravy, fruit. The only other thing left on the menu is Grits and oatmeal but to be on a low carb diet Im aware that I cant eat those either. Which really means id be eating a plate of eggs...
So if im eating what I listed above... with Tuna at both meals, (they usually serve at least 2 servings worth per sandwich) id be getting roughly 40g per sandwich and 6g per egg... sooo
930pm 40g
1130pm 24-30g
630am 24-30g
1130am 40g
I would only be getting 140g protein. So it looks like id have to get some whey... But to avoid the carbs... Isopure maybe? I mean how much protein do I need for weight loss? I plan on taking the T3/Clen and would like to keep as much of my muscle as possible.
Once again thanks for the advice
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Let me recap everything...
No salad dressing...
No breakfast meat
No ceareal
No Soy Milk
No breads (or other big carb sources)
No Cheese
No Fruit
So considering 2 of my 4 meals are sandwich's I can just drop the bread and eat a bunch of tuna or turkey ect.
ill throw in some eggs on the 1130pm meal with my salad, mabye some oil/vineger
last but not least breakfast... so no meats, (other then eggs) ** Do egg yolks matter? some people say not to eat them?** So with no other meats, obviosuly no hashbrowns, biscuits and gravy, fruit. The only other thing left on the menu is Grits and oatmeal but to be on a low carb diet Im aware that I cant eat those either. Which really means id be eating a plate of eggs...
So if im eating what I listed above... with Tuna at both meals, (they usually serve at least 2 servings worth per sandwich) id be getting roughly 40g per sandwich and 6g per egg... sooo
930pm 40g
1130pm 24-30g
630am 24-30g
1130am 40g
I would only be getting 140g protein. So it looks like id have to get some whey... But to avoid the carbs... Isopure maybe? I mean how much protein do I need for weight loss? I plan on taking the T3/Clen and would like to keep as much of my muscle as possible.
Once again thanks for the advice
Getting some Isolate to supplement with would be a good idea.
Also, eating the egg yolks is a good idea. 4-5 yolks would be fine per meal. Yolks have a lot of healthy fats in them.
Obviously you do not have a lot of good fat source foods available to you right now, in that case I would opt for a slightly different approach. In this case, eating a moderate amount of good carbs along with your protein is going to have to be the way you go due to availability. Choose the oats and grits for this over bread and other carb source foods. If you have access to rice and maybe some sweet potatoes these would be good choices to.
In the meals you eat the egg yolks, leave the carbs out. In the other meals, add in some carbs...since you're not getting a lot of fat, you are going to need some source of energy form food. You may have to play with this a little bit. Right now you have 4 meals per day that you can get in, try adding in carbs to 2 of those meals. Make one of them your pre workout meal and your first meal or the day if possible.
Stick with small servings when it comes to the carbs, no more then 50g per meal. That would give you 100g per day from direct carb source foods and approximately 25-50g more form indirect sources...things like egg yolks have 1g of carbs per yolk, most isolate powders will have 2-3g per scoop, you'll be getting some from your salad etc.
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In the past I have had some great results on a Low Carb diet. As for supplements or protein powders etc... I can order those easily. I have no problem eating the same crap everyday if its what gets me in shape. I may be able to order other stuff that falls under the good fats category. I can also get my hands on unlimited peanut butter... Also can anyone describe a good T3/Clen stack how much to buy, how much to take, how long to take it.. all that... Thanks again
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Good response. I don't know if I can help you in any way, but if I can let me know. I'd be glad to help out.
I think what irritates people is how you respond or 'discuss' issues. When you respond, you often communicate that your point of view as a 'fact.' You are very forceful with it.
Sometimes it's better to respond with a question. It's more disarming. For example....but, I thought that carbs in the presence of fat is not good because _______? Or, I thought when a low carb diet makes you flat you need to carb up because _____?
This techique, if you want to call it that, works very well in a work enviroment as well when people disagree.
You will learn grasshopper.
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I disagree with the 'no cheese' I love cheese and eat TONS of it... Light Havarti, Swiss, Edam, Mozarella.. also tons of 1% cottage cheese...great source of protein also helps when you get tired of eating the same chicken/steak b.s for protein! I don't think it's so detrimental, if I were you I would worry more about carb intake.
Drink lots of water and/or Crystal Light/Sugar Free Koolaid.
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I disagree with the 'no cheese' I love cheese and eat TONS of it... Light Havarti, Swiss, Edam, Mozarella.. also tons of 1% cottage cheese...great source of protein also helps when you get tired of eating the same chicken/steak b.s for protein! I don't think it's so detrimental, if I were you I would worry more about carb intake.
Drink lots of water and/or Crystal Light/Sugar Free Koolaid.
The only real time I think cheese and all other dairy is detrimental is in contest prep. It tends to leave a thin layer under the skin.
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The only real time I think cheese and all other dairy is detrimental is in contest prep. It tends to leave a thin layer under the skin.
I agree, but in this guys case his job is dependent on him losing the weight and he's struggling to do so. Because of that he has got to get rid of any unneeded calories.
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The only real time I think cheese and all other dairy is detrimental is in contest prep. It tends to leave a thin layer under the skin.
Agreed, other then that..year round, I love it!
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Thanks again for all the responses, I really appreciate the advice.
The only question i have left is...
How do I go about stacking clen and T3? How much of what, for how long?
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with those two drugs its important to start a minimum dose and work your way up to a level your comfortable at. generally people will run clen at 150-200mcgs and t3 at 75-125mcgs... BUT that could be way too much for you so you should first try low...like maybee 25mcgs t3 + 40mcgs clen and work your way slowly up... i wouldnt recommend going over 300mcgs clen or 200mcgs t3 even if you can tolerate those doses with ease as i dont think its necessary or even more beneficial to go over that range (these are not steroids more does not = better).
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with those two drugs its important to start a minimum dose and work your way up to a level your comfortable at. generally people will run clen at 150-200mcgs and t3 at 75-125mcgs... BUT that could be way too much for you so you should first try low...like maybee 25mcgs t3 + 40mcgs clen and work your way slowly up... i wouldnt recommend going over 300mcgs clen or 200mcgs t3 even if you can tolerate those doses with ease as i dont think its necessary or even more beneficial to go over that range (these are not steroids more does not = better).
I personally can't go over 120mcgs of Clen without feeling like Michael J. Fox. Definitely start out low and ramp up with both. You'll want to ramp down the clen as well, don't really have to ramp down the T3.
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I personally can't go over 120mcgs of Clen without feeling like Michael J. Fox. Definitely start out low and ramp up with both. You'll want to ramp down the clen as well, don't really have to ramp down the T3.
Emmortal why do you say you want him to ramp/taper down the Clen ?
oh and shadowpilot heres a perfect example of what i meant..for me i can go as high as 250mcg clen before i get any side effects yet emmortal gets shaky at 120mcg. I know a guy who starts shaking and sweating at 40mcgs... he is an extreme case , but theres a wide range and thats why its important to start low and work your way up.
one other thing... we both forgot to mention duration. t3 can be run as long as you wish it does not lose its effectiveness. clen can be run for a few weeks before it starts to lose effectiveness, at which point you want to either come off the clen for a week or run some kind of anti histamine like benadryl or ketotifen fumarate for a week in order to resensitize you to the clenbuterol.
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Yeah I had read online somewhere about stacking clen/t3/ketofen
As for clen, I had ordered some a year ago and was taking them, I have no clue what the mcg was but i was poppin as much as 4 at a time, i think the only really side effect i was noticing was that i was getting muscle cramps more often. in wierd places at that, like id yawn and the muscle under my tounge would lock up... wierd i know..
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Emmortal why do you say you want him to ramp/taper down the Clen ?
I've just found it easier on myself personally to ramp it down when coming off. It's not completely necessary but a good idea for a first timer.
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Curious as to why you think this. Energy shot, why? Flat, why?
I've taken butt ass loads of t-3 for years and never had any of this.
Further, I actually truly believe that t-3 is one of the safer drugs to take for fat loss purposes and least damaging to the body. Can it be damaging? Yes, but not as much as many other avenues IMO.
I'm taking t-3 right now, been on it for at least 5 or 6wks now, I sleep about 5hrs a night max, sometimes not at all, and I got all the energy I need. Well, let me rephrase, I sleep 5hrs a night or less, sometimes not at all, but usually crash hard about once every 2wks or so. I don't know how or why I've gotten this way, but it doesn't seem to be bothering me and it's been this way going on about a year now.
well, thats good ::)
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That's what hot sauce is for...however, that being said I still won't eat it.
Me too, I can't stand tuna! eeewww..
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Lean Steak (top sirloin,filet) 2 eggs, brown rice 3 meals. Lean Body RTD with some natural peanut butter 3 times a day. Moderate carbs, high protein, high fat. Supplement Fruits and Veggies with Juice plus.
Supplment with EFAs! Stack Clen and T-3 tapering slowly up to 125 T-3 over about a 3 or 4 week period and stay there. WIth the clen do the same until you get to about 175 or 200 and stay there.
Cardio low intensity 4 or 5 days a week. GOLDEN!!!!
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I wish we did have top sirloins 3 times a day lol...