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Do you think Congress remembered the way Pat act was shoved down their throat in a similar way (very short on details, oversight completely by Bush, and ushered in with fear tactics)?
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Your thoughts?
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Your thoughts?
PIP USA
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On this one, It's getting so hard to see what's actually going on through the politics.
Ample no votes came from both the Democratic and Republican sides of the aisle. More than two-thirds of Republicans and 40 percent of Democrats opposed the bill. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080929/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown
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it was a *decent* bill, but as (I think) Buffet warned, it would undermine the buck. It'll still probably pass.
Bush will have 700 billion to use however he wants. Who is cool with that?
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there's a good conspiracy in here somewhere! :D
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I'd like to see a good porno film about this.
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there's a good conspiracy in here somewhere! :D
:D
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Do you think Congress remembered the way Pat act was shoved down their throat in a similar way (very short on details, oversight completely by Bush, and ushered in with fear tactics)?
What does Martial Law in the senate mean?
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Bush can still issue the bill with executive order, which crates a major political shitstorm.
repubs want a re-vote, but most congressmen just want to get on a plane and the hell outta there. No COngress tomorrow (jewish holiday) and many congressmen aren't coming back to DC - THIS YEAR.
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Their leather seats are so nice looking on TV. Makes me want to be a congressman! ;D
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Republicans kiled this for one reason: if it had passed the house McCain would have either had to vote for/against (a big risk given his current weakness in the polls on economics and the fact that he doesn't know how americans will feel about the bailout) or skip the vote - a HUGE risk given his recent arguments about personally coming back to fix the economy and his weak polling on economics. It was too big a risk.
So rather than giving a crap about americans, they put party politics first. Nice.
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Republicans kiled this for one reason: if it had passed the house McCain would have either had to vote for/against (a big risk given his current weakness in the polls on economics and the fact that he doesn't know how americans will feel about the bailout) or skip the vote - a HUGE risk given his recent arguments about personally coming back to fix the economy and his weak polling on economics. It was too big a risk.
So rather than giving a crap about americans, they put party politics first. Nice.
Wow, I never considered that.
I just thought the Republicans were sticking up for Americans like they use to.
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What bullshit...the dems voted against it as well. Nancy Dipshit couldn't get Dems to vote for it...nobody wants this bill as its written.
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What bullshit...the dems voted against it as well. Nancy Dipshit couldn't get Dems to vote for it...nobody wants this bill as its written.
Nancy dipshit got the agreed upon number.
John Boenner failed by 12, and admitting it on television.
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Nancy couldn't get her own party to vote for it, thats he job as Speaker of the House.
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the perfect storm is brewing........
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For??????
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For??????
what usually happens after "the perfect storm"
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What...we're going to sink...we're all doomed. ::)
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What...we're going to sink...we're all doomed. ::)
of course you don't see any problems. lol...
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of course you don't see any problems. lol...
Of course not, the military creates robots, not thinking statesmen.
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Of course not, the military creates robots, not thinking statesmen.
ouch :D
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Of course not, the military creates robots, not thinking statesmen.
So... Ron Paul isn't a thinking Statesman?
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So... Ron Paul isn't a thinking Statesman?
Or Colin Powell? (Who I wish was running)
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Or Colin Powell? (Who I wish was running)
I like Powell... But he would have a hard time passing the memories of his UN presentation. Bless him for his loyalty but it was his downfall for not seperating loyatly with wrong. By accounts he knew it was bullshit, but he went along with it. The humiliation coming when it was revealed that most of the details were lifted from a student paper written during the first gulf war. To his credit, I think there must have been a point where he drew the line, which is why Condi got the job.
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I like Powell... But he would have a hard time passing the memories of his UN presentation. Bless him for his loyalty but it was his downfall for not seperating loyatly with wrong. By accounts he knew it was bullshit, but he went along with it. The humiliation coming when it was revealed that most of the details were lifted from a student paper written during the first gulf war. To his credit, I think there must have been a point where he drew the line, which is why Condi got the job.
Losing someone like that was a huge blow. That was a turning point for me.
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what usually happens after "the perfect storm"
There's a big BOOM (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/boom.htm), and some people get rich!
...provided they foresaw the prevaling winds and sets their sails accordingly ;)
(http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/dollar_eyes.gif)
There are forces in this world that are bigger than you or I
They will either crush us, or push us into success.
We may not be able to control them, ...however, we can harness their power.
We can moan about the coming storm, ...or we can learn how to dance in the rain. (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/yipee.gif)
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the perfect storm is brewing........
...to destroy the dollar, and usher in the cashless society, ...and the mark of the beast. :o
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Losing someone like that was a huge blow. That was a turning point for me.
I agree. Powell is at heart a good person. Got a lot of respect for him despite that collosal blunder at the UN. Yes that was a big mistake but we should absolutley respect the years and years he honorably served this country. In the end I think he's a good man.
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At this point the only thing coming out of this is a bump for third party candidates.
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Just listening to more of the media on this... what a fucking mess... I would definitely not be eager to place blame on either party here where the bailout is concerned. Where the blame is concerned, it is much easier to debate than the response to the crisis.
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So... Ron Paul isn't a thinking Statesman?
Ron Paul is GOD
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The Politics of the Bill
29 Sep 2008 10:46 pm
Megan McArdle
theatlantic.com (http://theatlantic.com)
There is no glory to go around here. Assume, arguendo, that most people in the House believed both that the bill would be passed, and that anyone who voted for it would suffer politically, except maybe in New York.
Pelosi screwed up royally. She is the Democratic Tom DeLay. Newt Gingrich was an ideologue, but Tom DeLay was simply a partisan, most keenly interested in maximizing his party's political power. Pelosi cut a deal in which, as far as I can tell, every single Republican in a safe seat had to vote yes so that the Democrats could maximize their no votes. Given that the Republican caucus is pretty much in open revolt, this was beyond moronic. She then spent a week openly and repeatedly blaming the Republicans and the Bush administration for the current crisis. The way she set things up, it was "Heads I win, tails you lose": vote for the deal and I'll paint you as heartless reactionaries bailing out your fat cat friends. If you're going to do that, you'd better make sure you have some expletive margin for error in your own party. She didn't. Then she got up and delivered yet another speech blaming the Republicans for the bailout deal she was about to pass.
Being in power means that you get to give your party special favors on many occasions--but it also means that you, yes you, have the ultimate responsibility for getting things done. She didn't particularly try to bring her party in line, and so of course as soon as a few Republicans defected, hers stampeded. The ultimate blame for this failure has to be laid at her feet.
That doesn't excuse the Republicans; I've already expressed my opinion of their conduct. If they do not understand that there are some things more important than reelection, they do not deserve to be in Congress. I'm not sure they deserve to be let loose in society. But Pelosi is the one who was vested with the ultimate responsibility for shaping the legislative process in the House. She not only dropped the ball; she picked it up and drop kicked it through her own goal.