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CBS:
Biden 46%
Palin 21%
Tie 33%
CNN:
Biden 51%
Palin 36%
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FOX text poll with over 100,000,000 votes in so far;
Biden 12%
Palin 86%
Dick Morris said she hit a homerun.
Guliani said "She gave the best debate he's ever seen" (paraphrasing)
Most importantly, Karl Rove said there were at least 10 FACTUAL inaccuracies that Biden said and at least 6 that were arguable.
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CBS and CNN....what did you seriously expect? Them to say is was even or that Palin won?
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CBS and CNN....what did you seriously expect? Them to say is was even or that Palin won?
I put your info here too :D
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CBS:
Biden 46%
Palin 21%
Tie 33%
CNN:
Biden 51%
Palin 36%
All this polling means nothing. Look at the electoral map in 3-4 days.
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There is a difference. The fox polling you're quoting is of fox viewers. The polls I quoted are within their viewer audience.
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Honestly, Biden wont hurt or harm Obama, Palin is going to hurt him more than help him. Sure some women will vote for him becasue of her, but anyone with any sort of education will realize shes qualified to run a Wendys.
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All this polling means nothing. Look at the electoral map in 3-4 days.
That's a good point, but it doesn't mean nothing. We are here now. Now is valid, tomorrow is what tomorrow is and will be valid in the now tomorrow... It doesn't mean we don't talk about now, now.
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CBS and CNN....what did you seriously expect? Them to say is was even or that Palin won?
Would you expect Fox to say Biden won?
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Honestly, Biden wont hurt or harm Obama, Palin is going to hurt him more than help him. Sure some women will vote for him becasue of her, but anyone with any sort of education will realize shes qualified to run a Wendys.
I hope you're right, Biden has the ability to screw up... Luckily George W Bush helps us all out... He's gaffed so many times it's hard to hold a dem responsible after they've excused W so often. But we can still point at Palin.
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That's a good point, but it doesn't mean nothing. We are here now. Now is valid, tomorrow is what tomorrow is and will be valid in the now tomorrow... It doesn't mean we don't talk about now, now.
I just know these polls can be highly skewed depending on the particular audience? who is more likely to sit in a fox vs cnn vs cbs audience?
One of the nice things about tonights debate is that both candidates didnt show any animosity towards another. They actually seemed to respect one another to a certain degree.
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That's a good point, but it doesn't mean nothing. We are here now. Now is valid, tomorrow is what tomorrow is and will be valid in the now tomorrow... It doesn't mean we don't talk about now, now.
LOL WTF??? HUGO THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST LUCID THING IVE EVER HEARD YOU SAY...im shocked but in a good way. :o
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LOL WTF??? HUGO THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST LUCID THING IVE EVER HEARD YOU SAY...im shocked but in a good way. :o
LOL ;D That cracked me up ;D
Maybe I made Rumsfeld proud with that :D
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I just know these polls can be highly skewed depending on the particular audience? who is more likely to sit in a fox vs cnn vs cbs audience?
One of the nice things about tonights debate is that both candidates didnt show any animosity towards another. They actually seemed to respect one another to a certain degree.
extremely true polls are inately bias, everything must be looked at not just the audience but the questions asked in the polls, the wording used in the questions, the set up whether questionaire or live...so much more complicated and easily skewed than most ppl have any comprehension of.
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I just know these polls can be highly skewed depending on the particular audience? who is more likely to sit in a fox vs cnn vs cbs audience?
One of the nice things about tonights debate is that both candidates didnt show any animosity towards another. They actually seemed to respect one another to a certain degree.
No, the fox poll is done via fox viewer contacts to fox. The CNN CBS polls are done by polling. There is a huge difference.
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No, the fox poll is done via fox viewer contacts to fox. The CNN CBS polls are done by polling. There is a huge difference.
Out of 100,000,000 text votes you actually think 86% are repubs?
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No, the fox poll is done via fox viewer contacts to fox. The CNN CBS polls are done by polling. There is a huge difference.
who are they polling though? and how did they get these ppl? What questions are they asking I know you dont know these things hugo just examples of things that should be taken into account...I could create a poll that would have the majority of getbig voting for john mccain that doesnt make it accurate.
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No, the fox poll is done via fox viewer contacts to fox. The CNN CBS polls are done by polling. There is a huge difference.
so the viewer audience poll woudlnt be skewed in the direction that a cbs audience viewer that was likely to attend that venue? Hope that made sense?? lol.
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There is a difference. The fox polling you're quoting is of fox viewers. The polls I quoted are within their viewer audience.
You are talking about cbs cnn viewer audience right?
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Out of 100,000,000 text votes you actually think 86% are repubs?
duh, why do you think it's 100,000? because it's fox viewers texting in. The fact that the other polls are around 500 people should tell you the difference. Fox didn't call 100,000 people... I assume you mean 100,000 because you posted 100 million which has to be bullshit to the max. But anyway one is polling of the people, the other is a target audience calling in, huge difference.
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Out of 100,000,000 text votes you actually think 86% are repubs?
One hundred million?
Number is wrong, dude.
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duh, why do you think it's 100,000? because it's fox viewers texting in. The fact that the other polls are around 500 people should tell you the difference. Fox didn't call 100,000 people... I assume you mean 100,000 because you posted 100 million which has to be bullshit to the max. But anyway one is polling of the people, the other is a target audience calling in, huge difference.
They gave a number to text in your vote...over 1,000,000 came in, they didn't poll 1,000,000
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One hundred million?
Number is wrong, dude.
That's what I was thinking, but even at 100,000 that tells truth to the matter... They didn't poll 100,000. 100,000 viewers contacted Fox via opinion solicitation prior to the debate. that puts these polls in two way different categories.
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One hundred million?
Number is wrong, dude.
Yeah, I know I caught that. Sorry. Tomorrow is my golf day and I've had a couple glasses of wine. VERY tired....
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CBS, NBC and CNN poll 500 people since that is the actual amount of viewers they have.
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mmm i drink 3 glasses of wine and I start arguing for mccain too :)
sober I argue for obama.
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They gave a number to text in your vote...over 1,000,000 came in, they didn't poll 1,000,000
You typed 100 million :D but look, the point is the same... these are Fox viewers texting in their opinion. It's a target audience response. The other is a polling. The fox text is not a valid polling.
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mmm i drink 3 glasses of wine and I start arguing for mccain too :)
sober I argue for obama.
hahahhahaha
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CBS, NBC and CNN poll 500 people since that is the actual amount of viewers they have.
lol......combined.
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You typed 100 million :D but look, the point is the same... these are Fox viewers texting in their opinion. It's a target audience response. The other is a polling. The fox text is not a valid polling.
who gave these ppl this number to call hugo?
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mmm i drink 3 glasses of wine and I start arguing for mccain too :)
sober I argue for obama.
You should drink more ;D
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You typed 100 million :D but look, the point is the same... these are Fox viewers texting in their opinion. It's a target audience response. The other is a polling. The fox text is not a valid polling.
So they basically they call people who may or may not have watched the debate and asked who won? :-\
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So they basically they call people who may or may not have watched the debate and asked who won? :-\
LOL now your thinking now what if the polling numbers they called where from a primarily dem state or location? see how easy it is to skew these polls
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LOL now your thinking now what if the polling numbers they called where from a primarily dem state or location? see how easy it is to skew these polls
Polls can be made up on the spot. 7 out of 10 people know this to be true.
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Polls can be made up on the spot. 7 out of 10 people know this to be true.
ya and like i said said earlier i could make a questionaire that would result in the majority of ppl on getbig voting for mccain so to take a poll at face value is very ignorant.
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You should drink more ;D
Nah, I sure as hell don't want to have an alcohol-related illness with that bullshit healthcare plan mccain has in mind.
$5000 cash credits for every american for health care? Is he even using his brains on this, or just caving to aetna and UNC who want a trillion dollar payout on day 1?
WTF is that... federal govt pays insurance companies 5k for all 305 million americans, as a 'credit' on their $12k plan.
Rich get richer, poor don't get a f'cking thing.
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Nah, I sure as hell don't want to have an alcohol-related illness with that bullshit healthcare plan mccain has in mind.
$5000 cash credits for every american for health care? Is he even using his brains on this, or just caving to aetna and UNC who want a trillion dollar payout on day 1?
WTF is that... federal govt pays insurance companies 5k for all 305 million americans, as a 'credit' on their $12k plan.
Rich get richer, poor don't get a f'cking thing.
It won't matter since you live in Florida and will get car-jacked and killed when Obama takes all your guns away.
Maybe you could post a pic of yourself with a sharpened popsicle stick instead of that gat you have.
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It won't matter since you live in Florida and will get car-jacked and killed when Obama takes all your guns away.
Maybe you could post a pic of yourself with a sharpened popsicle stick instead of that gat you have.
hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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It won't matter since you live in Florida and will get car-jacked and killed when Obama takes all your guns away.
Maybe you could post a pic of yourself with a sharpened popsicle stick instead of that gat you have.
LOL sharpened popsicle stick hahahahaha fuking classic
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who gave these ppl this number to call hugo?
Fox ::)
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So they basically they call people who may or may not have watched the debate and asked who won? :-\
no ::) feel free to keep making retarded statement... it's funny.
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hahahaha... there's some desperate shit in this thread. rightwing meltdown.... solicited text message vs. polling... yet they spin ahahahahaha
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Nah, I sure as hell don't want to have an alcohol-related illness with that bullshit healthcare plan mccain has in mind.
$5000 cash credits for every american for health care? Is he even using his brains on this, or just caving to aetna and UNC who want a trillion dollar payout on day 1?
WTF is that... federal govt pays insurance companies 5k for all 305 million americans, as a 'credit' on their $12k plan.
Rich get richer, poor don't get a f'cking thing.
I pay $364.00 per month for health care for my family. We get in right away, low deductable ($1500) and I have my choice of Dr.s (PPO). About the poor Rob.......bullshit. Federal laws state hospitals can't turn down anyone because of hardship.
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lol......combined.
Haha... right... More people watched the debate on Fox than on CBS, or NBC? ::)
ABC also had an interesting poll right on air... Out of about 50 people that I saw... 5 actually said Sarah did better.
I think those people were smoking crack... I'm an independent voter and she didn't answer on single question... Ok... She did answer 1. The one about the environment.
Every other question she was asked, had her talking about some other point... A point that wasn't even asked.
Only an idiot of any sort would say she won that debate... An idiot or someone so wrapped up in their party that they don't call a duck a duck.
She's a buffoon.
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I pay $364.00 per month for health care for my family. We get in right away, low deductable ($1500) and I have my choice of Dr.s (PPO). About the poor Rob.......bullshit. Federal laws state hospitals can't turn down anyone because of hardship.
they still get the bill... which still equalls poor getting poorer!
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CBS, NBC and CNN poll 500 people since that is the actual amount of viewers they have.
dipshitsha... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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they still get the bill... which still equalls poor getting poorer!
But with Unversal health care, they pay higher taxes (in reality very few of the poor pay taxes) to make up for it.
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But with Unversal health care, they pay higher taxes (in reality very few of the poor pay taxes) to make up for it.
good, the poor and the middle class and upper middle class do the brunt of the work in this world while fucking rich twits sit back and cash in with a few clicks of the keyboard.... They fucking should pay the goddamnded fucking taxes, we do the fucking work cock sucker ahhshkjashjkhsjkhkjahkjh kjaskdjfhkajhksdfhkjahks djfhkaksdfh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I thought it was pretty funny but the poll/focus group of Fox was sponsored by Budweiser (of which Cindy McCain's company is the third largest distributor).
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I thought it was pretty funny but the poll/focus group of Fox was sponsored by Budweiser (of which Cindy McCain's company is the third largest distributor).
are you serious? what is with these piss breweries? Coors is hardcore republican too. Go figure the two worst beers by all accounts in the world. I want to kick my tv in when I see some dipshit talking about the superior quality of cold brewed coors or bud... fucking piss puke water. republican drinks.
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good, the poor and the middle class and upper middle class do the brunt of the work in this world while fucking rich twits sit back and cash in with a few clicks of the keyboard.... They fucking should pay the goddamnded fucking taxes, we do the fucking work cock sucker ahhshkjashjkhsjkhkjahkjh kjaskdjfhkajhksdfhkjahks djfhkaksdfh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Huge honest question here. Do you feel in america that a Man (or woman) Can bust his ass, work harder and make more money than the guy next to him who doest just enough to get by?
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do you believe that a man is born into a certain lifestyle that he cant escape no matter what he does. He is trapped in his socioeconimic lot and can do nothing to change it?
The reason I ask is a good portion of these sucessful people have busted their asses. They are self made through intelligence, hardwork, and determination.
It seems to me like a lot of liberals dont buy into the american dream. The man is against you and everyone Owes you something because you deserve it!
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Huge honest question here. Do you feel in america that a Man (or woman) Can bust his ass, work harder and make more money than the guy next to him who does just enough to get by?
or
do you believe that a man is born into a certain lifestyle that he cant escape no matter what he does. He is trapped in his socioeconimic lot and can do nothing to change it?
The reason I ask is a good portion of these sucessful people have busted their asses. They are self made through intelligence, hardwork, and determination.
It seems to me like a lot of liberals dont buy into the american dream. The man is against you and everyone Owes you something because you deserve it!
wrong question... Stop and think about what you just asked and see if it can be reworded. I take your question serious, you seem like a good fella so lets play this out. I think the question is worded wrong.
added: hole up, I see what you're asking and I'll work up a reply now. I don't like the way the first part of your question is worded but I'll take it as error and assume the obvious.
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wrong question... Stop and think about what you just asked and see if it can be reworded. I take your question serious, you seem like a good fella so lets play this out. I think the question is worded wrong.
wrong question... Stop and think about what you just asked and see if it can be reworded. I take your question serious, you seem like a good fella so lets play this out. I think the question is worded wrong.
Damn sorry its late im getting sloppy tired. BTW I Used to game online a lot so am used to typing really fast and hoping people can interpret. :-\
let me rephrase:
Do you feel in america that a man (or woman) can bust his ass and work harder to be more sucessful and make more money than the guy next to him who does just enough to get by?
or
Do you believe that a man is born into a certain lifestyle that he cant escape no matter what he does. He is trapped in his socioeconimic lot and can do nothing to change it?
The reason I ask is a good portion of these sucessful people have busted their asses. They are self made through intelligence, hardwork, and determination.
It seems to me like a lot of liberals dont buy into the american dream. The man is against you and everyone Owes you something because you deserve it!
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5 years on here and I only had 87 posts before these past few weeks..... stupid Mr Olympia, stupid Election! ;D
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Damn sorry its late im getting sloppy tired. BTW I Used to game online a lot so am used to typing really fast and hoping people can interpret. :-\
let me rephrase:
Do you feel in america that a man (or woman) can bust his ass and work harder to be more sucessful and make more money than the guy next to him who does just enough to get by?
or
Do you believe that a man is born into a certain lifestyle that he cant escape no matter what he does. He is trapped in his socioeconimic lot and can do nothing to change it?
The reason I ask is a good portion of these sucessful people have busted their asses. They are self made through intelligence, hardwork, and determination.
It seems to me like a lot of liberals dont buy into the american dream. The man is against you and everyone Owes you something because you deserve it!
sorry dude, I just added to my above post, go ahead and read it. I know where you were going and got to wording a reply which I am typing now. No problem, I just didn't like the first part of how your question was worded but I know where you were going. i'll get my post typed up the rest of the way.
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Damn sorry its late im getting sloppy tired. BTW I Used to game online a lot so am used to typing really fast and hoping people can interpret. :-\
let me rephrase:
Do you feel in america that a man (or woman) can bust his ass and work harder to be more sucessful and make more money than the guy next to him who does just enough to get by?
or
Do you believe that a man is born into a certain lifestyle that he cant escape no matter what he does. He is trapped in his socioeconimic lot and can do nothing to change it?
The reason I ask is a good portion of these sucessful people have busted their asses. They are self made through intelligence, hardwork, and determination.
It seems to me like a lot of liberals dont buy into the american dream. The man is against you and everyone Owes you something because you deserve it!
To often all of America gets lumped into just a few categories--that is a colossal mistake. So many different people, so many different stories…
There is no or should be no jealously for those who work hard and rise up to success. In reality the greatest respect goes out from the left and right for those who do so. It is the quintessential American Dream and all honor those who achieve it from a low place and all from a low place aspire to it at some point.
We say all are created equal, and that is true in some respects--but not all are given equal opportunity, which is very true. In today’s world we have people who are handed tremendous wealth from birth. Raised never really having to worrying about finance. And then there is the vast majority of which only a small fraction will achieve what is handed to the fortunate from birth— so we are not created equal by fortune. What portion of the unfortunate would have performed in life every bit as well if given a fortune at birth?
No doubt there have been much worse times in the history of America and especially world history for those born out of fortune. We had decades where the hard working individual had a better shot than past times and one of the huge progresses enabling these years was the ability for workers to unionize. To be able to demand a fair day’s wage for a day’s labor. I know there are faults with this, but no less than the crimes found among big business and the wealthy for sure.
Today we are in a totally different time. By all statistics the gap between the wealthy and poor is widening massively with a year by year measurable decrease in the middle class. Failure of our government by route of lobbyists for corporations have all but nullified any power previously gained by workers. With massive outsourcing, free passes for immigrant workers and the outright complete export of entire industries, an increasing number of the working class are quickly seeing the old days of not a shot in hell returning.
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I see a lot of merit in what you said above and I dont competely disagree with you.
The reason I brought up the previous questions is that all around me I have seen men and women who have risen from nothing to become incredibly sucessful. My best friends father doesnt have a college degree, didnt finish high school, and yet makes over 250k a year as a professional speaker. My wifes step father never finished his degree and came from a poor family yet now runs an incredibly sucessful tourism marketing business. My good friends brother worked 3 jobs to help pay for medical school because his family was too poor to help and he couldnt get a scholarship (white kid..) I myself came from nothing moved out when I was 16, when to college, took out loans, and due to insasiable thirst for knowledge was able to go from a starting helpdesk to network engineer in two years at the beginning of my career.
These guys had a will to succeed. They werent handed anything on a silver platter. They didnt have the same opportunites that others had. The point is they made their own opportunites. So many rich kids squander what they have as well as kids with opportunity.
Look at my indian reservation; Every kid has free college provided they can maintain the grades, yet the vast majority of the kids that go to college live off reservation? Very few actually end up going beyond high school. These kids have opportunites that others would only dream of. The bar is set low. They are on an even playing field. Why do they not suceed?
Successful people often have high expectations for their offspring. I dont think its money that is the fortune that is missing from these kids lifes to make them sucessful. Its the expectation to succeed. That is what is missing. Sure money helps a great deal in many respects, but if we artificially give everyone the same thing then where is the incentive to succeed. What is the point of working harder when it will get you no where further than the guy not willing to work as hard?
My father in law is constantly ragged by his wifes liberal siblings becasuse he has a nice house and nice car and is sucessful. They are jealous because he had the guts and will to do what he has. They are by no means dumb, in fact they are incredibly intelligent people. They just feel that they are where they are and there is nothing that they can do about it. He was lucky and somehow he has what they should also have. THAT is the attitude I see so often. Its good fortune that got you to where you are. Not hard work.
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mmm i drink 3 glasses of wine and I start arguing for mccain too :)
sober I argue for obama.
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are you serious? what is with these piss breweries? Coors is hardcore republican too. Go figure the two worst beers by all accounts in the world. I want to kick my tv in when I see some dipshit talking about the superior quality of cold brewed coors or bud... fucking piss puke water. republican drinks.
Maybe you should try a bottle of Molson Canadian? :)
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Buffgeek, I would say the biggest part you missed about my post was time.
Today we are in a totally different time. By all statistics the gap between the wealthy and poor is widening massively with a year by year measurable decrease in the middle class.
It's not that people can't rise up. nowhere did I allude to any such thing. My issue is with a system of corporations and a government that works hand in hand directly againt the individual busting his ass. The government is suppose to work for us but they work for the corporations and we're now last in line.
Statistics show the widening gap. I do not mean to say people don't do it or that they can't. I say that a system of the wealthy, corporations and government increasly work against both the middle class as well as the people just trying to get by.
The only think I want is a system that works for all Americans, not one that works against the vast majority in favor of a few. no you probably can't ever have it perfect but I have no doubt what is in place today works against the little guy more now than anytime in the past 70 years.