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ambian is my devil, my monkey devil screetching in my ear everynightn...fo away monkyee devil let me sleep@!!@!@@!
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ambian is my devil, my monkey devil screetching in my ear everynightn...fo away monkyee devil let me sleep@!!@!@@!
Welcome to Hell my friend. I know it well. I am not going to sugarcoat it for you. No one can help you and few will understand. You have to suffer and deal with it; that's what I do.
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I used to suffer from severe insomnia for years. Actually started as a kid and only got worse once I started living on my on. During my student years, it want to the point where I couldn't fall asleep before sunrise and I'd get no more than two-three hours a of sleep a day. I got a prescription once. The doc gave me some Atarax. Took one, killed me. Never tried sleeping pills again. Now that my life is more balanced and that I can get over my natural anxieties, I just sleep better. No need for chemical assistance.
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ambian is my devil, my monkey devil screetching in my ear everynightn...fo away monkyee devil let me sleep@!!@!@@!
Watch a Jay Cutler video....
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read a post by dreadlord
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Best thing to do is to stop using it ASAP.
Try to work out mentally, what it is that is keeping you from sleeping.
Try medetation, yoga, exercise, cutting out caffiene, stopping any other drugs, using earplugs, exercising harder/longer, eating less sugary foods. You can find a natural solution. Stay away from Ambian.
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Had it from 19 to 20 - hell on earth. Didn't go to the doc. It turned me into a zombie.
Now I use a sleeping aid on and off - Calmaben
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man, i know its tough... but stop taking it asap..
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Why dont you try melatonin supplements? I heard it helps a lot with sleep.
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Try drinking a bottle of Jack with the pills.no more addiction :D
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One night before bed try taking a whole box full of said pills, that should solve your problem....
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taper off. shave them bytches down, 10%, every few nights. Will take 3 weeks, but you'll be off them.
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OD and die.
end it if you cant handle it. let the darwinism run its course
there is plenty of air for the rest of us.
weakling
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I have that problem as well..fucking chronic insomnia... I take Immovane and Xanax, can't fucking get to sleep till at least 3 am without em.
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Benadryl knocks me unconscious in 15 minutes.
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GHB is best
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We all have addictions.
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WTF? How can you become "addicted" to sleeping pills? It's not like you get high like it's a pain pill or something. I've taken Ambien before, and I don't get it... becoming addicted to that would be like becoming addicted to aspirin or rolaids. ::)
Ambien = GABA agonist. Your body will become addicted whether you want to or not, whether you feel "high" from it or not. GABA system is very sensitive and easily desensitized.
Some feel Ambien has some recreational value. I know people who love taking it and staying up enjoying the effects.
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try sleepy time tea with skin milk and honey, I a have the same issue and it was so bad that valum would not help, give you sefl pelnty of tiem to wind down after drinking this tea
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Ambien = GABA agonist. Your body will become addicted whether you want to or not, whether you feel "high" from it or not. GABA system is very sensitive and easily desensitized.
Some feel Ambien has some recreational value. I know people who love taking it and staying up enjoying the effects.
i disagree, when i travel i can never sleep without some Ambien and i can take it while i'm traveling and then drop it completely when i get home.
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ambian is my devil, my monkey devil screetching in my ear everynightn...fo away monkyee devil let me sleep@!!@!@@!
Try switching to something that isn't addictive in the same way. Trazadone, Atarax or Benadryl, or even Seroquel etc. You could alternate between meds that work through different pathways to avoid becoming desensitized to the effects.
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stay awake
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i disagree, when i travel i can never sleep without some Ambien and i can take it while i'm traveling and then drop it completely when i get home.
I didn't mean that it's quickly addictive. It also has a very short half-life which makes it less likely to cause dependency very quickly. But Ambien essentially works like Benzo's and these types of drugs are the hardest to stop out of all drugs if you have become dependent. My point was that Ambien "addiction" isn't unheard of.
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ambian is my devil, my monkey devil screetching in my ear everynightn...fo away monkyee devil let me sleep@!!@!@@!
Grab a good ol' King James Bible, seek the Lord, and repent of your sins.
The Devil will try to steal your life with those pills. He is a thief...
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it
more abundantly. – John 10:10 (KJV)
Remember, any drug abused to get high, etc. is a form of sorcery...
(SEE: SORCERY & DRUGS - http://www.musclemissions.org/public/94.cfm )
Only God can give you the peace that you seek.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
- Matthew 11:28 (KJV)
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Dennis
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Grab a good ol' King James Bible, seek the Lord, and repent of your sins.
The Devil will try to steal your life with those pills. He is a thief...
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it
more abundantly. – John 10:10 (KJV)
Remember, any drug abused to get high, etc. is a form of sorcery...
(SEE: SORCERY & DRUGS - http://www.musclemissions.org/public/94.cfm )
Only God can give you the peace that you seek.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
- Matthew 11:28 (KJV)
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Dennis
STFU
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Grab a good ol' King James Bible, seek the Lord, and repent of your sins.
The Devil will try to steal your life with those pills. He is a thief...
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it
more abundantly. – John 10:10 (KJV)
Remember, any drug abused to get high, etc. is a form of sorcery...
(SEE: SORCERY & DRUGS - http://www.musclemissions.org/public/94.cfm )
Only God can give you the peace that you seek.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
- Matthew 11:28 (KJV)
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Dennis
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Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Dennis
LISTEN TO THE LYRICS
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Try to stay up as long as possible until you want to go to sleep (lets say 9 pm). Take a valerian root and serotonin supplement. Turn off all lights and wait. It will happen. oh and stop taking all caffeine products.
ambian is my devil, my monkey devil screetching in my ear everynightn...fo away monkyee devil let me sleep@!!@!@@!
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typically a problem with serotonin.
if it is poor serotonin production in your brain, then meletonin, tryptophan, GHB, etc. will help
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if your serotonin reuptake cycle is off, it won't help to increase serotonin as you won't utilize it properly.
if the first products don't help, maybe try L-tyrosine, 5HTP, omega 3s, or last resort an SSRI such as celexa or sertraline. (SSRIs are prescription depression meds that work on increasing serotonin utilization).
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sure, and if you are diabetic, don't take insulin, just read this fairy tale.
and if you are hungry, don't eat, just read this fairy tale.
and if you have any other medical condition, don't treat it, just pick up a book of bullshit and you'll be all better. ::)
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Read bluto's defense on why he should mod the MMA board....oh wait...that'll probably keep you laughing all night.
Lets try again
Any one of bluto's naturalfag83's drivel about the recent hazard(s) he went through.
Lights out
;D
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Here's a few suggestions since I suffered with this for a while.
1. Get off your sleep meds gradually and switch to other stuff. Tylenol PM. if your anxious..occasional use of zanax at .5 to 1 mg. Never use the zanax for more than 3 days in a row.
2. After you wean off the sleep meds, buy Nutra spray Melatonin by Source Natural. This stuff is amazing- 3 or 4 sublingual sprays under my tongue puts me out.
3. Buy the extra strength Kava Root from Gaia herbs. It is a liquid tincture. Put 4 dropperfuls in a small amount of water and drink before bed.
4. Try not to ingest anything with caffeine after 2:00 pm.
5. If you drink red wine, a couple of glasses before bed helps.
6. Be patient..it will take time to get back to normal. Try reading before bed as well. Good Luck. This is what i do every night and I haven't had a problem in years. If I don't sleep well 2 nights in a row. I do the zanax for 3 nights, otherwise I take no meds.
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I didn't mean that it's quickly addictive. It also has a very short half-life which makes it less likely to cause dependency very quickly. But Ambien essentially works like Benzo's and these types of drugs are the hardest to stop out of all drugs if you have become dependent. My point was that Ambien "addiction" isn't unheard of.
why do people call benzos gabaergics? gaba agonists, it is true that ambien is, but benzos? no? they work on the gaba receptor complex, at the benzodiazepine site, increasing chloride influx at the gaba post synaptic channel hyperpolarizing the cell, making excitation harder. Just an observation. They dont directly increase or decrease gaba per se.
but yes ambien is addictive, people need to realize that there is both physical and psychological addiction. Physical can occur wether the effects are pleasurable or not, just like god will burn you in hell regardless if you are a good person or not. Both can be classified as benevolent and caring if you take the argument to its logical conclusion.
your suggestions are great, traz would be my go to as it has positive effects on SWS, but my favorite is pregabalin as it uniquely alters voltage gated calcium channels, reducing excitatory neuros like glutamate and have an awesome impact on sleep architecture and quality. Super expensive though, serequel is some nasty shit, you try it before? You could really go to some of the TCA's or neuroleptics here but i doubt anyone wants that.
Traz or bust is my suggestion. Traz concunrrently with ambien taper. Avoid alcohol during the taper.
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Here's a few suggestions since I suffered with this for a while.
1. Get off your sleep meds gradually and switch to other stuff. Tylenol PM. if your anxious..occasional use of zanax at .5 to 1 mg. Never use the zanax for more than 3 days in a row.
2. After you wean off the sleep meds, buy Nutra spray Melatonin by Source Natural. This stuff is amazing- 3 or 4 sublingual sprays under my tongue puts me out.
3. Buy the extra strength Kava Root from Gaia herbs. It is a liquid tincture. Put 4 dropperfuls in a small amount of water and drink before bed.
4. Try not to ingest anything with caffeine after 2:00 pm.
5. If you drink red wine, a couple of glasses before bed helps.
6. Be patient..it will take time to get back to normal. Try reading before bed as well. Good Luck. This is what i do every night and I haven't had a problem in years. If I don't sleep well 2 nights in a row. I do the zanax for 3 nights, otherwise I take no meds.
great advice.
Definately try reading a good book or drinking some wine.
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i take melatonin sometimes benadryl before bed...
but what really puts me to sleep is a joint, a big meal, then laying down with my eyes closed and listening to senate or congressional hearings on c-span.. 8)
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ambian is my devil, my monkey devil screetching in my ear everynightn...fo away monkyee devil let me sleep@!!@!@@!
TRY TAKING SOMATOMAX BY HI-TECH, IT PUTS ME DOWN AT NIGHT.
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Go cry to a drug counselor, addicted to sleeping pills ::) Lets have a pity party for nyclown!
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WTF? How can you become "addicted" to sleeping pills? It's not like you get high like it's a pain pill or something. I've taken Ambien before, and I don't get it... becoming addicted to that would be like becoming addicted to aspirin or rolaids. ::)
I cant speak for everyone, but I just got some ambien in Iraq and no I havent been able to drink or do anything exciting for the last 5 months.... But I stayed awake on ambien and i felt drunk it was amazing. A friend and i took a few and went for a walk, i barly remmember the night it was alot of fun. To be completly honest i dont use them for sleeping at all, i feel like im wasting a good buzz sleeping on em. I usually take them and go out for a walk or chat online. Its just wierd because i dont remmember anything when I wake up.
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I cant speak for everyone, but I just got some ambien in Iraq and no I havent been able to drink or do anything exciting for the last 5 months.... But I stayed awake on ambien and i felt drunk it was amazing. A friend and i took a few and went for a walk, i barly remmember the night it was alot of fun. To be completly honest i dont use them for sleeping at all, i feel like im wasting a good buzz sleeping on em. I usually take them and go out for a walk or chat online. Its just wierd because i dont remmember anything when I wake up.
Go huff some paint w/Johnny Falcon while you are at it ::) People are idiots!!
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Go cry to a drug counselor, addicted to sleeping pills ::) Lets have a pity party for nyclown!
hahaha, thanks for all your advices guys....There are a lot of getbiggers up around 4 am, there must be a lot of us out there.
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typically a problem with serotonin.
if it is poor serotonin production in your brain, then meletonin, tryptophan, GHB, etc. will help
.
if your serotonin reuptake cycle is off, it won't help to increase serotonin as you won't utilize it properly.
if the first products don't help, maybe try L-tyrosine, 5HTP, omega 3s, or last resort an SSRI such as celexa or sertraline. (SSRIs are prescription depression meds that work on increasing serotonin utilization).
your wrong on almost everything you said. GHB doesnt effect serotonin and is prescription for cataplexy, it has its own endogenous receptor. The first two may help with melatonin being the best. L-tyrosine effects dopamine and noepinephrine, excitatory NT's, it will keep you awake. SSRIS are known to cause insomnia and poor sleep quality.They do not help nor are they prescribed for insomnia, possibly if he has an anxiety disorder, even then they still make sleeping harder.
Melatonin, GABA, valerian with phenibut being the best non script treatment. Proper sleep hygiene is paramount.
If you want to prove me wrong post a picture of you hitting a front double bi with zoloft spread across your chest.
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I took an Ambien and stayed awake once.
Clothes on my dresser were writhing like snakes.
It was pretty cool.
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have your boyfriend toss your salad untill you pass out.
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I took an Ambien and stayed awake once.
Clothes on my dresser were writhing like snakes.
It was pretty cool.
yea that happens if you stay awake on ambien...if your on the computer you see people moving in pictures and stuff....scary if its some ugly getbigger.
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2 OR 3 BUD ICE LIGHT 8)
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Go huff some paint w/Johnny Falcon while you are at it ::) People are idiots!!
lol taking ambien and forcing urself to stay awake is nothing like huffing. why so much hostility? lol, its not like im going out drinking on sleeping pills and driving... And after reading a few more of the posts im clearly not the only one who has noticed how crazy things get after you dont go to sleep.
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Learn to deal with it, somehow.
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Someone said wine; that sounds like a good answer to me.
Ease off the Zolps, and sip some Zin. : )
You could always just ask a pharmacist or doctor about the best way to stop.
I'm sure they deal with questions like that all the time. Don't feel embarrassed.
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thanks for the help guys,Im not really that bad off, didnt think the thread would stick, just going through a tough time....but i think its time to help Jimmy Thompson,,,i was never a fan of his posts but the board should support him, nobody deserves to be sick...I hate cancer, I dont know why they cant find a cure.
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Why not trying dealing with anxiety? Try taking deeper breaths and not worrying. Insomnia is almost always caused by anxiety or poor habits.
If you need to get off them, then suck it for a week and don't take them. Suffer by trying to sleep without the pills if you have to. Doesn't matter if you have big issues the next day, just don't take the pills to bring sleep. Instead, just suck it up until you get into a good and timely habit of falling asleep without that shit.
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OD and die.
end it if you cant handle it. let the darwinism run its course
there is plenty of air for the rest of us.
weakling
:D
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Grab a good ol' King James Bible, seek the Lord, and repent of your sins.
The Devil will try to steal your life with those pills. He is a thief...
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it
more abundantly. – John 10:10 (KJV)
Remember, any drug abused to get high, etc. is a form of sorcery...
(SEE: SORCERY & DRUGS - http://www.musclemissions.org/public/94.cfm )
Only God can give you the peace that you seek.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
- Matthew 11:28 (KJV)
Hope this helps!
Sincerely,
Dennis
LOL
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GHB is best
works well for me to...
Highly recommended
+X2 ;D
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btw, they are taking votes for Mr. GEtBIG 3 judges down on the MR. GetBig board.
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Never in my lifetime had a prescription drug and can fall asleep in three minutes after my head hits the pillow.
Have even slept through the first few minutes of mortar attacks.
On very rare occasions after having drunk a couple of gallons of Starbucks, I need to have a glass of wine and read the first few pages of "Dancing Wu Li Masters" to get some sleep.
That book is an introduction to Quantum Mechanics and doesn't get real interesting till you get 1/3 into it. After that you can't sleep because it's too damn interesting.
I think the wine recommendation will do the trick though. Good luck.
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yea that happens if you stay awake on ambien...if your on the computer you see people moving in pictures and stuff....scary if its some ugly getbigger.
damn - harry potter dream world - im getting me some ambien !
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hahaha, thanks for all your advices guys....There are a lot of getbiggers up around 4 am, there must be a lot of us out there.
YEP ;D ...well that and this site is so damned entertaining!
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yea that happens if you stay awake on ambien...if your on the computer you see people moving in pictures and stuff....scary if its some ugly getbigger.
True story! Glad Im not the only one who hallucinates on that stuff....thought I was losing it a couple times. I switched to Lunesta....seems to put me in a more natural relaxed state, rather than drugged sleep.
Ambien knocks me the hell out, but 3 hours later I'm wide awake for no reason. >:(
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WTF? How can you become "addicted" to sleeping pills? It's not like you get high like it's a pain pill or something. I've taken Ambien before, and I don't get it... becoming addicted to that would be like becoming addicted to aspirin or rolaids. ::)
well if the body cannot fall asleep without having the little pill... that's called an addiction ;)
There doesn't have to be some form of high invovled to qualify as an addiction see cigarettes.
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I cant speak for everyone, but I just got some ambien in Iraq and no I havent been able to drink or do anything exciting for the last 5 months.... But I stayed awake on ambien and i felt drunk it was amazing. A friend and i took a few and went for a walk, i barly remmember the night it was alot of fun. To be completly honest i dont use them for sleeping at all, i feel like im wasting a good buzz sleeping on em. I usually take them and go out for a walk or chat online. Its just wierd because i dont remmember anything when I wake up.
You're absolutly right shadow P. I got semi-addicted to ambien and I would stay up to. I made some of the worst phone calls to ex-girlfriends and the problem was I didn't remember any of it and finally felt like a fool. I made dates with girls and stood them up etc. I pissed off a bunch of friends with my 2am calls.
The main problem with any sleep adi like ambien is that you might take one and it will make you sleepy but if you take MORE and MORE it has the oposite effect. It will literaly will act as speed. You take one and if you haven't fallen asleep you take another and then you want to go to sleep so bad you just keep taking them and then they keep your ass up and yuo don't remember a fucking thing.
Ambien much like valium and xanax is a drug that you can't quit cold-turkey. If you do you have a good channe of going into a seizure and it won't be pretty.
You should always taper down these drugs and never quit cold-turkey that's the worst thing that anyone can do.
good Luck.
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Ambien much like valium and xanax is a drug that you can't quit cold-turkey. If you do you have a good channe of going into a seizure and it won't be pretty.
You should always taper down these drugs and never quit cold-turkey that's the worst thing that anyone can do.
good Luck.
complete bullshit
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True story! Glad Im not the only one who hallucinates on that stuff....thought I was losing it a couple times. I switched to Lunesta....seems to put me in a more natural relaxed state, rather than drugged sleep.
Ambien knocks me the hell out, but 3 hours later I'm wide awake for no reason. >:(
i use Lunesta now and its great. tried a couple others in the past(dont remember names) and they knocked me out but i would wake up after a few hours and also be groggy the next day. Lunesta puts me to sleep in a nice way and i sleep great the whole night and feel fine the next day. i dont use it every night
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There was something in the news a while back about people on Ambien gaining weight.
It turns out the drug was causing them to sleepwalk; they were raiding the fridge and didn't know it. ;D
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You guys think Xanax is addictive ?!?! I do it every once in a while to kill the sketch from coke, I don't find it to be addictive, I use it maybe 3x a month, at 1.0mg
Ambien much like valium and xanax is a drug that you can't quit cold-turkey. If you do you have a good channe of going into a seizure and it won't be pretty.
You should always taper down these drugs and never quit cold-turkey that's the worst thing that anyone can do.
good Luck.
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David Goggins sleeps 3 hours a night and exercises basically the other 21...I myself sleep 5 hours a night and Dance in the streets for about 15 hours a day...Fuck the pills unless they get you high...
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It's classed as an addictive drug; however, it's way down the list.
I believe it's schedule IV.
Drugs are rated by the FDA according to their potential for addiction, with V being the lowest and II being the highest.
With the benzodiazepine class of drugs(includes xanax/alprazolam and valium/diazepam),
there is a small risk of seizure if you suddenly quit after long term(daily) usage.
This class of drugs is largely being replaced by non-benzo antidepressants like effexor/venlafaxine,
because they have less side effects. Drowsiness especially, is not as severe with the non-benzos.
ya right, less side effects my ass.
xanax is the crack of benzos, long term benzo use is possibly the hardest addiciton to kick with perhaps opiates being slightly harder. Twice a week usage is fine CE, with valium you might run into problems due to its long half life.
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Watch Dice K pitch for the Red Sox tonight.he's so damn slow you'll fall asleep by the 3rd inning.
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Watch Dice K pitch for the Red Sox tonight.he's so damn slow you'll fall asleep by the 3rd inning.
hahah and he'll have already thrown 187 pitches.
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hahah and he'll have already thrown 187 pitches.
And somehow still get the win :-\
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Could be like a lot of other things in life that we live with today: a result of an old pattern. I liked the girl's advice on the second page-take a few days off work, stay up as long as you can and then when you can't stand it anymore, go to bed. Try doing this until you are on a more normal schedule. And it makes sense to me that you should try and make your lifestyle impeccable, give the body everything it needs to do what it's programmed to do. Make this your priority, you won't need work if you don't have health. Health first, forget work.
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thanks for the help guys,Im not really that bad off,
Hahahah, sounds like those pills got you singin a different tune.
Are you "high" right now?
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Its a mind thing. Let me give you some insights.
When you close your eyes, you are starting to talk to yourself trough thoughts. ''Ohh god not again, i cant fall asleep, i just want to sleap, i cant do it''
Notice your inner voice is fast and panic, the clock is ticking, you dont look at the clock anymore, the clock is looking at you''
Next time, slow your inner voice down, slow it the heck down. ''iiiiiiiiii caaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnttttt tttt gggggeett nnnooo sleeppppp''
You will get sleepy trust me.
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