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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on October 20, 2008, 04:59:44 PM
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Wow. He looked awesome here. :o
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The guy had it all except the ability to show it :(
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Great physique, horrible posing.
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Paul always had great posing ability, just needed more size. Wait wut?
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Some of the biggest freakiest arms ever! :o
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Pros: Massive arms and delts and very small waist
Cons: (Relatively) narrow for his height and arms/delts + narrow lat spread
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Pros: Massive arms and delts and very small waist
Cons: (Relatively) narrow for his height and arms/delts + narrow lat spread
Narrow? Sorry i cant agree there, not even relatively
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Why didn't he just take posing lessons?
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Narrow? Sorry i cant agree there, not even relatively
Relative to his height and arm/delt size, yes. Although to his benefit his waist was also very narrow.
This pic puts things in perspective.
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I wish i was this narrow... ;)
(http://www.fluidlounge.ca/files/wfbb/bio.jpg)
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Get in There!! I knew sonbaty would be there somewhere LOL
One pic does not tell the whole story - Dillett had some of the widest shoulders in BB history
Period
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Get in There!! I knew sonbaty would be there somewhere LOL
One pic does not tell the whole story - Dillett had some of the widest shoulders in BB history
Period
You guys keep missing the point, I said relative to his height and his great delt and arm mass. In other words, if his shoulders were just as wide as the more massive 5'11" guys like Nasser, Yates, Ruhl, or Coleman, then he is "relatively" narrow for his height since he is much taller than them.
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Get in There!! I knew sonbaty would be there somewhere LOL
haha and this morning you claimed not to be a gimmick LOL
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I must be missing your point - all i see is Dillett being as wide as a fooking house
He was clearly wider that Yates/Sonbaty et al
Height has nothing to do with it
Pauls major problem throughout his career was his presentation, not as you have sugested his shoulder width
Peace
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haha and this morning you claimed not to be a gimmick LOL
I Been reading these boards for Months before posting here - one thing i have noticed is how many threads you start about how your boy sonbaty got ripped off by Yates, bad judging, etc
I got eyes, dont need to be columbo to work it out 8)
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I Been reading these boards for Months before posting here - one thing i have noticed is how many threads you start about how your boy sonbaty got ripped off by Yates, bad judging, etc
I got eyes, dont need to be columbo to work it out 8)
Actually I haven't started many/any such threads at all in the last several months...unless you're going back to almost a year ago, however I do reply to such threads once they are started by others.
In any case, welcome ;)
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Actually I haven't started many/any such threads at all in the last several months...unless you're going back to almost a year ago, however I do reply to such threads once they are started by others.
In any case, welcome ;)
The pleasures all mine ;)
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Pros: Massive arms and delts and very small waist
Cons: (Relatively) narrow for his height and arms/delts + narrow lat spread
NARROW? did you type he's narrow? fuck-me you're insane lol
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No wonder why Bobs think Nasser should be Mr Olympia lol he's blind
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Cramped up like a Statue.
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Cramped up like a Statue.
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NARROW? did you type he's narrow? fuck-me you're insane lol
I thought you were above taking things out of context and conveniently ignoring the fact that I said "relative to his height and arm/delt mass" ::)
His waist was very narrow (I think he claimed 29"), so standing alone and especially when spreading his arms out like in the pics you posted he will look wider. However, from shoulder to shoulder I would be very surprised if he measured wider than Nasser, Ruhl or Coleman when each were 280+
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I thought you were above taking things out of context and conveniently ignoring the fact that I said "relative to his height and arm/delt mass" ::)
His waist was very narrow (I think he claimed 29"), so standing alone and especially when spreading his arms out like in the pics you posted he will look wider. However, from shoulder to shoulder I would be very surprised if he measured wider than Nasser, Ruhl or Coleman when each were 280+
He's wide PERIOD wide for 6'1" wide for his frame WIDE end of sentence and that single picture doesn't prove anything multiple picture clearly show he's not narrow even relatively speaking
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haha "in the morning @ 12" what a lazy muther fucker
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Jurassic Paul
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Jurassic Paul
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I read somewhere that they were giving him his last rites backstage at this show!
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No wonder why Bobs think Nasser should be Mr Olympia lol he's blind
Thats a very rare picture of Paul there doing sergio's straight arm pose Increadible! :o :o :o
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He's wide PERIOD wide for 6'1" wide for his frame WIDE end of sentence and that single picture doesn't prove anything multiple picture clearly show he's not narrow even relatively speaking
Like I said my comment is relative to his height and that's comparing it to the other mass monsters. Do you disagree that his shoulders were not as wide as 280+ Coleman, Nasser or Ruhl? Feel free to post comparisons.
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Unbealivable!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Like I said my comment is relative to his height and that's comparing it to the other mass monsters. Do you disagree that his shoulders were not as wide as 280+ Coleman, Nasser or Ruhl? Feel free to post comparisons.
Coleman never had wide shoulders. Not sure what you're talking about. He had average shoulder width. For proof of this look at his MM pose with him and Dennis Wolf. If you want wide shoulders, Jay is about as wide as they get.
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Like I said my comment is relative to his height and that's comparing it to the other mass monsters. Do you disagree that his shoulders were not as wide as 280+ Coleman, Nasser or Ruhl? Feel free to post comparisons.
See you really can't grasp with separate pics but I don't think his shoulders are narrow even relative to his frame , although I think Nasser might have wider clavicles like Fux and Wolf but they are anomalies it doesn't make Dillett narrow
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Why do you guys always complain about his posing? He was a freaky monster, who gives a fuck that his posing wasn't exactly classical. ::)
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Coleman never had wide shoulders. Not sure what you're talking about. He had average shoulder width. For proof of this look at his MM pose with him and Dennis Wolf. If you want wide shoulders, Jay is about as wide as they get.
This is true ! he had wide & huge delts just not super wide clavicles
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Overall Paul was better than Nasser.....Good Day :)
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Why do you guys always complain about his posing? He was a freaky monster, who gives a fuck that his posing wasn't exactly classical. ::)
The Judges for one
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is there a vid of him freezig onstage?
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See you really can't grasp with separate pics but I don't think his shoulders are narrow even relative to his frame , although I think Nasser might have wider clavicles like Fux and Wolf but they are anomalies it doesn't make Dillett narrow
I posted one direct comparison pic and you complained that it "doesnt prove anything"; and that's the only direct one I have, so my next comparison was two separate pics. Like I said, if you have any direct comparison pics to disprove what I said then post away.
When I said his shoulders were narrow relative to his frame, I meant that in comparison to the other 270-280+ guys. Perhaps I should have clarified, but I thought its a given that I'm not comparing his width to the likes of a 230 lb Flex Wheeler et al
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Overall Paul was better than Nasser.....Good Day :)
Would have been nice for Paul if the judges agreed ;)
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Why do you guys always complain about his posing? He was a freaky monster, who gives a fuck that his posing wasn't exactly classical. ::)
No it's not the style of posing it's the presentation of the muscles , Paul had little control and thus couldn't show off his physique to it's full advantage and this hurt him that respects
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The Judges for one
I'm addressing the people on an internet message board, not the judges, tool. ::)
Dude was a freak, who cares how he posed, you guys are so picky. There aren't many good posers anymore anyway.
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Would have been nice for Paul if the judges agreed ;)
Ah the judges are right when you agree lol
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Ah the judges are right when you agree lol
lol. OWNED ;D
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Paul's shoulder width in 92,93,96,97 was unbelievable...even relaxed.....
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Ah the judges are right when you agree lol
;) On the same token it can be argued that the judges are right to the Dorian nuthuggers only when they agree.
I don't agree with all judges' decisions but I like throwing the same logic back towards others that they use when criticizing Nasser
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I'm addressing the people on an internet message board, not the judges, tool. ::)
Dude was a freak, who cares how he posed, you guys are so picky. There aren't many good posers anymore anyway.
Dude was a freak mate - just a shame that he could not show it off to his best advantage onstage and get the placings his physique often meritted.
Tool?? LOL 8)
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;) On the same token it can be argued that the judges are right to the Dorian nuthuggers only when they agree.
I don't agree with all judges' decisions but I like throwing the same logic back towards others that they use when criticizing Nasser
Hypocrite ::)
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;) On the same token it can be argued that the judges are right to the Dorian nuthuggers only when they agree.
I don't agree with all judges' decisions but I like throwing the same logic back towards others that they use when criticizing Nasser
No , no the judges are always right and they have the final say , but YOU on the other hand pick and choose when they are right I on the other hand DON'T that's the difference
when it goes your way the judges are on the money , when it doesn't they're on the take , gay , racist , biased , and every other excuse you can come up with
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Dude was a freak mate - just a shame that he could not show it off to his best advantage onstage and get the placings his physique often meritted.
Tool?? LOL 8)
I dont even worry about his posing anyway, Im not a judge, dont particularly care.
I appreciate the sheer monsterous size of the dude, absolutely crazy. You are right though.
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Nasser sucked.....Deal with it.
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No , no the judges are always right and they have the final say , but YOU on the other hand pick and choose when they are right I on the other hand DON'T that's the difference
when it goes your way the judges are on the money , when it doesn't they're on the take , gay , racist , biased , and every other excuse you can come up with
LOL all I said was that it would have been nice for Paul if the judges agreed that he was better than Nasser. That's a simple statement and fact, and even Paul would agree. After all, if the judges did believe that he would have placed higher, made more money, etc. i.e. it would have been nice for him
Hypocracy is people like Wiggs who suggest that judges were WRONG to place Nasser higher than Dillet (by saying Dillet was better), yet they also believe that the judges were RIGHT in placing Yates ahead of Nasser each year, therefore using the judges when it goes their way.
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Why do you guys always complain about his posing? He was a freaky monster, who gives a fuck that his posing wasn't exactly classical. ::)
Because his posing (even mandatories) was so bad it took away from his physique. The shaking, not being able to properly complete a front or rear double biceps and lat spreads really hurt him.
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Because his posing (even mandatories) was so bad it took away from his physique. The shaking, not being able to properly complete a front or rear double biceps and lat spreads really hurt him.
Why would he not be able to "properly complete" a pose? ::)
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LOL all I said was that it would have been nice for Paul if the judges agreed that he was better than Nasser. That's a simple statement and fact, and even Paul would agree. After all, if the judges did believe that he would have placed higher, made more money, etc. i.e. it would have been nice for him
Hypocracy is people like Wiggs who suggest that judges were WRONG to place Nasser higher than Dillet (by saying Dillet was better), yet they also believe that the judges were RIGHT in placing Yates ahead of Nasser each year, therefore using the judges when it goes their way.
Again you can't have it both ways either the judges are always right or always wrong
The judges are right when the pick Nasser over Dillett , but clearly wrong when they pick Yates over Nasser , I mean seriously
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Again you can't have it both ways either the judges are always right or always wrong
The judges are right when the pick Nasser over Dillett , but clearly wrong when they pick Yates over Nasser , I mean seriously
Let's ask Wiggs to pick whether the judges are always right or always wrong.
And for the record, yes you can have it both ways. In some years judging is done fairly while in other years it is not - the 2007 Mr. Olympia was not fair for example to place Cutler ahead of Martinez, yet the 2000 Mr. O was fair to place Coleman the winner...just a few examples.
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Why would he not be able to "properly complete" a pose? ::)
Nasser couldn't hit the side chest & front lat spreads technically correct either , but I guess they were saying Paul had a shoulder injury that prevented him from posing in some shots to their best advantage and diurectics make people cramp up and shake
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LOL all I said was that it would have been nice for Paul if the judges agreed that he was better than Nasser. That's a simple statement and fact, and even Paul would agree. After all, if the judges did believe that he would have placed higher, made more money, etc. i.e. it would have been nice for him
Hypocracy is people like Wiggs who suggest that judges were WRONG to place Nasser higher than Dillet (by saying Dillet was better), yet they also believe that the judges were RIGHT in placing Yates ahead of Nasser each year, therefore using the judges when it goes their way.
Please show me where I said the judges were wrong....
I said Paul Dillet was a better bodybuilder than Nasser He's more complete, better proportions and conditioning. Oh yeah and he doesn't use synthol....He will be remembered more than Nasser, guarenteed.
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Because his posing (even mandatories) was so bad it took away from his physique. The shaking, not being able to properly complete a front or rear double biceps and lat spreads really hurt him.
Yes, I've already replied to a similar post, I agree. But since I'm not an IFBB judge, I dont care about his posing
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Let's ask Wiggs to pick whether the judges are always right or always wrong.
And for the record, yes you can have it both ways. In some years judging is done fairly while in other years it is not - the 2007 Mr. Olympia was not fair for example to place Cutler ahead of Martinez, yet the 2000 Mr. O was fair to place Coleman the winner...just a few examples.
No we're talking about you , stop trying to deflect and 12 individuals all come to the same conclusion separately they're always right regardless of what you think
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Please show me where I said the judges were wrong....
I said Paul Dillet was a better bodybuilder than Nasser He's more complete, better proportions and conditioning. Oh yeah and he doesn't use synthol....He will be remembered more than Nasser, guarenteed.
Saying that Dillet is better than Nasser is by default implying judges were incorrect, since Nasser had higher placings. All I said in response was that it would have been nice for Paul if they agreed, and that has been causing a page of meltdowns lol.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/paul%2Bdillet/video/x282pv_paul-dillet-explosion_extreme
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Saying that Dillet is better than Nasser is by default implying judges were incorrect, since Nasser had higher placings. All I said in response was that it would have been nice for Paul if they agreed, and that has been causing a page of meltdowns lol.
Overall one can be better and not have great contest placings , plenty of people placed higher than Flex Wheeler at a contest but weren't better than him overall , but I'm not sure I agree with Paul being better overall than Nasser
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Let's ask Wiggs to pick whether the judges are always right or always wrong.
And for the record, yes you can have it both ways. In some years judging is done fairly while in other years it is not - the 2007 Mr. Olympia was not fair for example to place Cutler ahead of Martinez, yet the 2000 Mr. O was fair to place Coleman the winner...just a few examples.
Neither. "It is what it is". I've seen some messed up stuff. Ronnie over Jay in 01. Gunter over Ronnie at GNC 02. etc...
Problem is you have a history of blaming the judges for Nasser's misfortunes...Then when I made that statement you immediatly used the judges which you disagree with often to validate your arguement.
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Neither. "It is what it is". I've seen some messed up stuff. Ronnie over Jay in 01. Gunter over Ronnie at GNC 02. etc...
Problem is you have a history of blaming the judges for Nasser's misfortunes...Then when I made that statement you immediatly used the judges which you disagree with often to validate your arguement.
he's got you there Bobs
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Neither. "It is what it is". I've seen some messed up stuff. Ronnie over Jay in 01. Gunter over Ronnie at GNC 02. etc...
Problem is you have a history of blaming the judges for Nasser's misfortunes...Then when I made that statement you immediatly used the judges which you disagree with often to validate your arguement.
I haven't followed your posts in particular, but people who are anti-Nasser always use the argument that Yates got better contest placings than Nasser and therefore had a better physique, even in 97. Therefore, when you posted that Dillet was better than Nasser, my natural defense was to use the same "contest placings" logic against that statement.
That does not mean I agree wholeheartedly with all judges' decisions. For the record I also believe Paul Dillet got unfairly shafted by judges in more shows than not.
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great physique, the scariest bodybuilder of all time
he was a terrible poser and was proof that it takes SKILL for a bodybuilder to place as high as possible
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Well for the record IMO Nasser should have beat Dorian in 97 based on the direction they were going.
Although I would have had Shawn Ray in first.
I lost all respect for Nasser once he went synthol on us and started selling his undies online.
I've spoken with him many times and he was always a gentleman.
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Well for the record IMO Nasser should have beat Dorian in 97 based on the direction they were going.
Although I would have had Shawn Ray in first.
I lost all respect for Nasser once he went synthol on us and started selling his undies online.
I've spoken with him many times and he was always a gentleman.
If you really think he sells his undies try sending him an email asking to buy them and see if you even get a response. He has gotten such emails in the past but ignores them.
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I'll pass but someone put a link to his site some years ago and that's what was on there. :-X
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I'll pass but someone put a link to his site some years ago and that's what was on there. :-X
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yes nasser was a big fucker
so was ruhl.....he was bigger....does that mean he should have won Mr. O too?
no
he never did win it, he sucked cock at the end of his career and quit....GET OVER IT
hope this helps
How dare you bad mouth Ruhl like that.
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Crazy shit, wide as fuck. :o
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:oMother of Pearl that's a big bitch!! you can park a car in between those teeth though
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Wiggs take a look at this video.
I remember sitting in that audience and when he came out into that first front relaxed stance, you could hear people gasp and saying "oh my god"....I remember scanning the audience and seeing alot of fellow pro's of his shaking their heads in disbelief. This video doesnt even do him justice....he was an absolute freak show here. Freeze it at second 49 and then later on in the clip around 3:27 and you can see how his body/arms absolutely dwarf the size of his head.
Greatest genetics this sport has ever seen for putting on the most muscle mass with the least amount of effort in my opinion.
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Wiggs take a look at this video.
I remember sitting in that audience and when he came out into that first front relaxed stance, you could hear people gasp and saying "oh my god"....I remember scanning the audience and seeing alot of fellow pro's of his shaking their heads in disbelief. This video doesnt even do him justice....he was an absolute freak show here. Freeze it at second 49 and then later on in the clip around 3:27 and you can see how his body/arms absolutely dwarf the size of his head.
Greatest genetics this sport has ever seen for putting on the most muscle mass with the least amount of effort in my opinion.
ya, I remember I had some IFBB pro trading cards
and he just looked monstrous....biggest out of everybody :o
now imagine what he'd look like if he actually worked out ;D
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Wiggs take a look at this video.
I remember sitting in that audience and when he came out into that first front relaxed stance, you could hear people gasp and saying "oh my god"....I remember scanning the audience and seeing alot of fellow pro's of his shaking their heads in disbelief. This video doesnt even do him justice....he was an absolute freak show here. Freeze it at second 49 and then later on in the clip around 3:27 and you can see how his body/arms absolutely dwarf the size of his head.
Greatest genetics this sport has ever seen for putting on the most muscle mass with the least amount of effort in my opinion.
Thanks Dante.....Dude was a true monster. Incredibly cool guy to talk to.
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If you really think he sells his undies try sending him an email asking to buy them and see if you even get a response. He has gotten such emails in the past but ignores them.
TRANSLATION: I got burned by Nassar after ordering his soiled jocks and now must resort to jerking off over pics.
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Dillet was actually very small and narrow, his tiny head just made him appear huge ::)
Besides being one of the hardest trainers(due to his poor genes), he was 2nd only to Corney when it came to beautiful, classical posing.
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Dillet was actually very small and narrow, his tiny head just made him appear huge ::)
Besides being one of the hardest trainers(due to his poor genes), he was 2nd only to Corney when it came to beautiful, classical posing.
appreciating all the sarcasm in your post :D
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Dillett had the ugliest mug in all of bodybuilding. Always looking like a deer caught in headlights.
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I always thought he would win the "O" but the posing... :'(
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No wonder why Bobs think Nasser should be Mr Olympia lol he's blind
bigbobs isn't blind, he's got nasser's cum in his eyes.
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Only Dillet can pull off this outfit.
Imagine you see someone wearing this at the gym.
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Only Dillet can pull off this outfit.
Imagine you see someone wearing this at the gym.
At lease he's not wearing daisy dukes with constuction boots.
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This just my opinion but take Nasser and Paul at their best....and put then up against the 2003 version of Ronnie Coleman at 292lbs. Ronnie would dwarf them and make them look smooth and flat.
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This just my opinion but take Nasser and Paul at their best....and put then up against the 2003 version of Ronnie Coleman at 292lbs. Ronnie would dwarf them and make them look smooth and flat.
Nasser competed at 289 lbs at the 99 AC and was in good enough condition (at that bodyweight) to beat Levrone, Cormier, etc. to take the show. He would not get dwarfed by a 292 lb Ronnie.
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Nasser competed at 289 lbs at the 99 AC and was in good enough condition (at that bodyweight) to beat Levrone, Cormier, etc. to take the show. He would not get dwarfed by a 292 lb Ronnie.
I remember that show. Nasser was huge. But Ronnie took the sport to such a high level in 2003 that Nasser nor Paul could come close to him. Nasser may have weighed 289 in 1999, but Ronnies 2003 back poses honestly would've crushed Paul and Nasser (both known for relatively weak backs). It wasnt just the back. Ronnies arms and legs were so big that they looked almost fake that year.
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What was Paul's heaviest competition bw?
Those are mind-blowing numbers, 290lbs onstage! At their heights. Ferrigno competed at that weight at 6'5"...
People used to say Yates was maxing things out at 265lbs...
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278lbs in that vid. Any heavier, and his trademark small waist would've suffered, IMO.
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I remember that show. Nasser was huge. But Ronnie took the sport to such a high level in 2003 that Nasser nor Paul could come close to him. Nasser may have weighed 289 in 1999, but Ronnies 2003 back poses honestly would've crushed Paul and Nasser (both known for relatively weak backs). It wasnt just the back. Ronnies arms and legs were so big that they looked almost fake that year.
From the front though no version of Ronnie would "dwarf" Nasser at 289 or even 280. Keep in mind from the front Ronnie also had a wide waist and poor abs which would take some points away from his awesome arms legs.
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From the front though no version of Ronnie would "dwarf" Nasser at 289 or even 280.
right. Nasser did have a great most muscular and front double bicep, and even ab/thigh
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From the front though no version of Ronnie would "dwarf" Nasser at 289 or even 280. Keep in mind from the front Ronnie also had a wide waist and poor abs which would take some points away from his awesome arms legs.
Don't try to compare Ronnie and Nasser. There is no comparision. Ronnie is a Porterhouse steak and Nasser is Deli meat.
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Don't try to compare Ronnie and Nasser. There is no comparision. Ronnie is a Porterhouse steak and Nasser is Deli meat.
Very educated and insightful reply ::) Even gh15 said at their best, they were equal from the front when considering aesthetics and size combined.
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Thing is, with Dillet you kind of get the feeling the guy wasnt really trying, just cruising.
What if he had the dedication of Ronnie, pushed it to the limit like Nasser?
Everyone says he was a lazy trainer that cruised on his genes ala Flex.
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Everyone says he was a lazy trainer that cruised on his genes ala Flex.
I think with Paul, he relied on drugs and tremendous amounts of food. With those two inputs, we grew with moderate intensity. I think Flex trained way harder than Paul.
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I think Flex trained way harder than Paul.
With Charles Glass, yes. But even Glass said that in the begginning he was lazy.
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He's wide PERIOD wide for 6'1" wide for his frame WIDE end of sentence and that single picture doesn't prove anything multiple picture clearly show he's not narrow even relatively speaking
That pic he posted, is from an angle, the photographer was probably sitting (standing) at an angle from center stage. Take a look at the background. Paul's delts were wide Period as you said. But Paul had that skinny neck look, but his traps were huge. It shows that Paul, if he so desired could have been 300-315 pounds ripped. without the gut that Ronnie displayed.
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if he so desired could have been 300-315 pounds ripped
no way. he was barely over 300lbs in the off season.
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if he so desired could have been 300-315 pounds ripped. without the gut that Ronnie displayed.
I guess he just didn't desire to be 300-315 with a small waist, and instead settled for 275-280? ::)
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no way. he was barely over 300lbs in the off season.
305 pounds
I guess he just didn't desire to be 300-315 with a small waist, and instead settled for 275-280? ::)
gee, you are smart. He DIDN'T need to be 300+ pounds. Because Dorian wasn't bigger than he was, hence there was no desire to be that big. Ronnie pushed the envelope waaay past Dorian's size. Plus Marcus Ruhl came on the scene as well. After Dillett won the NOC, if he so desired to seize the O he would A) have to gain major pounds. B) get his back up. C) practice on posing, and figure out how to do a proper lat spread.
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When I was at Golds Venice back wehn Paul Dillett was competing, I clearly remember standing there when he got on the digital scale. I was soooo curious as to what he weighed. It was offseason, and I clearly remember the readout---305 pounds.
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305 pounds
gee, you are smart. He DIDN'T need to be 300+ pounds. Because Dorian wasn't bigger than he was, hence there was no desire to be that big. Ronnie pushed the envelope waaay past Dorian's size. Plus Marcus Ruhl came on the scene as well. After Dillett won the NOC, if he so desired to seize the O he would A) have to gain major pounds. B) get his back up. C) practice on posing, and figure out how to do a proper lat spread.
So now you're saying he didn't desire to win the Mr. Olympia? ::)
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It shows that Paul, if he so desired could have been 300-315 pounds ripped. without the gut that Ronnie displayed.
Dont know bout the gut, but agree that he couldve improved. Wolda been a scary, very scary sight, though...
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Dillet was very wide, but in some poses he didnt hold right he looked kind of narrow...some times in his hands claped mm he would look insane but would bring his shoulders real close almost covering his pecs...but his actual bone structure was obviously very wide.
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So now you're saying he didn't desire to win the Mr. Olympia? ::)
When he won the NOC over Dex Jackson and Rhul, he said he was just there to guest pose. He wasn't in his best condition. And it was a very controversial win. He also had really bad rotator cuff problems (you did know this didn't you?). The Doctors had told him that he had no cartilage in his shoulders, it was bone on bone. So he was at end of his career, so there was no need to or desire to win the O, especially when Ronnie had it on lock. It would have been too much for his body to handle---and for what, it well known at that time, that sitting Mr. O keep winning.
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When he won the NOC over Dex Jackson and Rhul, he said he was just there to guest pose. He wasn't in his best condition. And it was a very controversial win. He also had really bad rotator cuff problems (you did know this didn't you?). The Doctors had told him that he had no cartilage in his shoulders, it was bone on bone. So he was at end of his career, so there was no need to or desire to win the O, especially when Ronnie had it on lock. It would have been too much for his body to handle---and for what, it well known at that time, that sitting Mr. O keep winning.
Maybe I just misunderstood your choice of words. Any top tier IFBB pro "desires" to win the Mr. Olympia.
If he could easily compete at 300-315 what stopped him from achieving that before his rotator cuff problems? Keep in mind you're talking about an extra 25-40 lbs of muscle that he simply refused due to lack of desire - just sounds too unrealistic IMO.
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Maybe I just misunderstood your choice of words. Any top tier IFBB pro "desires" to win the Mr. Olympia.
If he could easily compete at 300-315 what stopped him from achieving that before his rotator cuff problems? Keep in mind you're talking about an extra 25-40 lbs of muscle that he simply refused due to lack of desire - just sounds too unrealistic IMO.
He's had multiple surgeries on his shoulders from mid 90's on. In the BFTO 98 he looked dead on...but he f-upped. His back detailed was lacking, and he couldn't pose worth a dime--if he chose to, he could have fixed these first, but he didn't. I never really saw the fire in his eye. I think that he really wanted to play football-he used to play in the CFL, I think bodybuilding was something to do