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i jus got diagnosed wit bad anxiety. xanax wont fuck wit my test levels like painkillers would, would they?
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I'm not sure, but please use it only in an emergency, it is one of the most addicting drugs on the planet and one of the hardest to come off of.
I used it years ago for anxiety and it only effected me if i trained in the mornings as i was still doped up from taking it the night before. i only took it for sleep because my anxiety kept me from sleeping.
i'm fine now so ithrew it away.
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xanax=poison
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I used to be damn near suicidal with the worst case of anxiety (didn't show because I was popular and seemingly upbeat)... but just learn how to meditate and understand your train of thought. If you try to change the way you think you could derail yourself and have a complete meltdown like I always used to. Just identify what's happening when you have an anxiety attack and that's half the battle right there.
I read up on Tibetan Buddhism for years and while I wouldn't call myself a Buddhist per se, I took a lot of those lessons and applied them to my everyday life. It REALLY helped me to cope with things and I no longer live with depression. I have maybe one or two rare anxiety attacks each year, but they're brief and as soon as they happen I can calm myself down. Before, I'd want to curl up in a ball and kill myself, but I'd be too inebriated in my confused, scared thoughts that I would be just paralyzed (I would have killed myself had I not been so messed up)... so you can say that I had a very bad case of anxiety. Pills didn't help with my problem, shrinks didn't help with my problem and brainwashing myself and pretending to be happy didn't either. Meditating, relaxing and talking myself through the situations and understanding them better is what helped.
You'd do the exact same thing with an anxiety attack as you would on a bad mushroom trip, you do NOT fight it whatever you do. You analyze it and accept it. Identify what it is to you that's so uncomforting about the situation or challenge that's afflicted you and cope with it. Sometimes you can fix your problems, sometimes you can't. If you can't, there's no need to stress over it. You're wasting energy on negativity. Why not use that same energy to load up your favorite porn site and bust out a relieving nut? Or make yourself something to eat. I find that focusing on a task really helps to curb the edge. I would usually find my dog, lay with him for a bit and go for a walk. I'd smoke weed to relax back in the day but NOT until my anxiety attack had passed. Do NOT use drugs to fix psychological problems unless you're severely fucked up. They are an absolute last resort. Unless you constantly have a knife to your wrist or think about suffocating yourself in your car then do NOT use drugs. They can fuck you up badly.
If you have bad anxiety or have an attack, send me a PM and tell me about it. I don't care how long or detailed it is, go into as much detail as you want. It's good to spill the beans, even if it's via typing and not verbal. Talking to people really helps to make anxiety attacks less uncomfortable and foreign. I know I sound like a scatterbrain but I'm pretty positive that I can help you. If not, at least you tried before hitting the drugs. ONLY take Xanax if you're having a super bad attack and can't snap yourself out of it. I have some Xanax and Ativan for severe emergencies. Haven't had to use them in over two years.
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I'm not sure, but please use it only in an emergency, it is one of the most addicting drugs on the planet and one of the hardest to come off of.
I used it years ago for anxiety and it only effected me if i trained in the mornings as i was still doped up from taking it the night before. i only took it for sleep because my anxiety kept me from sleeping.
i'm fine now so ithrew it away.
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How long were you using it for and how many milligrams a day? I have been using it for the past two months or so almost daily, about 1-2 milligrams throughout the day b/c of these severe anxiety attacks I suddenly started having. My doc said I should switch to something like Zoloft. I may just try to work my way through this without using anything.
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I NOTICE THAT WHEN I TAKE XANAX I LOOK AND FEEL BETTER, I ALSO HAVE IT FOR ANXIETY. I STOPPED TAKING IT FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS AND I DID NOT HAVE A HARD TIME COMING OFF IT. I TOOK IT TODAY FOR THE LONGEST TIME AND I FEEL GREAT. WHEN I DO TAKE IT I USUALLY TAKE IT 3-4 MG PER DAY. I HAVE HAD THE SCRIPT FOR IT ABOUT 5 YEARS. XANAX HAS HELPED ME ENORMOUSLY AND FOR ME AT LEAST IT'S A GIFT FROM GODS...
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You'd do the exact same thing with an anxiety attack as you would on a bad mushroom trip, you do NOT fight it whatever you do. You analyze it and accept it.
Yup.
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Xanax is very very addicting. As Overload said it should only be used in emergency's. I would look into more natural methods (i.e. Valerian Root, etc) & some relaxation techniques. Maybe even meditation. As for lowering test levels I'm not sure on that but if you take a lot of it for a long period of time your sex drive goes down.
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so basically anxiety is like a form of insecurity+depression ? and there are medications to make you not feel that way ? arent these just basically drugs like ecstacy and cocaine ?
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How long were you using it for and how many milligrams a day? I have been using it for the past two months or so almost daily, about 1-2 milligrams throughout the day b/c of these severe anxiety attacks I suddenly started having. My doc said I should switch to something like Zoloft. I may just try to work my way through this without using anything.
I used to take somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-3 mgs a day for anxiety. One day I decided to stop cold turkey & work through it on my own (probably a mistake in hindsight but I got tired of feeling off all the time). After awhile things worked out fine. I rarely if ever have panic attacks anymore. In fact when I go to the doctor to get something to make flying easier I specifically ask for anything but Xanax.
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so basically anxiety is like a form of insecurity+depression ? and there are medications to make you not feel that way ? arent these just basically drugs like ecstacy and cocaine ?
Not exactly - there's tons of causes for anxiety - it doesn't mean you're necessarily depressed or insecure. There's tons of benzo's out there...Adivan, Xanax, Valium...that can help with anxiety.
I wouldn't exactly call coke & ecstasy a drug to treat anxiety.
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Not exactly - there's tons of causes for anxiety - it doesn't mean you're necessarily depressed or insecure. There's tons of benzo's out there...Adivan, Xanax, Valium...that can help with anxiety.
I wouldn't exactly call coke & ecstasy a drug to treat anxiety.
well if insecuirty and depression are forms of anxiety, i had anxiety, and thats why i used those drugs, when i did use them. however they worked at first them over time made it worse. which made me use more. cyclical. i would be afraid of these 'anti-anxiety' meds for fear that the same thing would happen.
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well if insecuirty and depression are forms of anxiety, i had anxiety, and thats why i used those drugs, when i did use them. however they worked at first them over time made it worse. which made me use more. cyclical. i would be afraid of these 'anti-anxiety' meds for fear that the same thing would happen.
Insecurity & Depression can lead to anxiety & I suppose can be forms of it. Remember some anxiety can be kind of irrational too. In all seriousness & I hope you actually listen to me on this one. You have had problems with drugs in the past (I'm not saying that to fuck with you) so I would steer clear of anti-anxiety meds like Xanax, Adivan, Valium, Klonopin, etc (benzo's). You will fast become addicted to them & that's no bullshit. I've seen to happen to several people I know. There are way to beat anxiety without medication.
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yeah ive gotten through my mental issues over the last year and half..it took a while and its been tought but now life is great, better than any drug ever gave me.
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yeah ive gotten through my mental issues over the last year and half..it took a while and its been tought but now life is great, better than any drug ever gave me.
I tend to think your mental issues are still affection you, dizzle.
I could be wrong, but your maturity level hasn't improved all that much over the past year and three GetBig handles.
I recommend Valium for you. ;D
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Insecurity & Depression can lead to anxiety & I suppose can be forms of it. Remember some anxiety can be kind of irrational too. In all seriousness & I hope you actually listen to me on this one. You have had problems with drugs in the past (I'm not saying that to fuck with you) so I would steer clear of anti-anxiety meds like Xanax, Adivan, Valium, Klonopin, etc (benzo's). You will fast become addicted to them & that's no bullshit. I've seen to happen to several people I know. There are way to beat anxiety without medication.
I second what Rim is saying. I've used Xanax off an on over the last five years. You have to be VERY careful. It is highly addictive and one of the easiest drugs to get addicted to and one of the hardest to come off of. DO NOT mess with it if you have a history of addiction.
Also, in my case depression was due to low Test levels. My doctor eventually figured that out, but I had to request the blood test of my levels of Test, Thyroid, etc.
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I used to be damn near suicidal with the worst case of anxiety (didn't show because I was popular and seemingly upbeat)... but just learn how to meditate and understand your train of thought. If you try to change the way you think you could derail yourself and have a complete meltdown like I always used to. Just identify what's happening when you have an anxiety attack and that's half the battle right there.
I read up on Tibetan Buddhism for years and while I wouldn't call myself a Buddhist per se, I took a lot of those lessons and applied them to my everyday life. It REALLY helped me to cope with things and I no longer live with depression. I have maybe one or two rare anxiety attacks each year, but they're brief and as soon as they happen I can calm myself down. Before, I'd want to curl up in a ball and kill myself, but I'd be too inebriated in my confused, scared thoughts that I would be just paralyzed (I would have killed myself had I not been so messed up)... so you can say that I had a very bad case of anxiety. Pills didn't help with my problem, shrinks didn't help with my problem and brainwashing myself and pretending to be happy didn't either. Meditating, relaxing and talking myself through the situations and understanding them better is what helped.
You'd do the exact same thing with an anxiety attack as you would on a bad mushroom trip, you do NOT fight it whatever you do. You analyze it and accept it. Identify what it is to you that's so uncomforting about the situation or challenge that's afflicted you and cope with it. Sometimes you can fix your problems, sometimes you can't. If you can't, there's no need to stress over it. You're wasting energy on negativity. Why not use that same energy to load up your favorite porn site and bust out a relieving nut? Or make yourself something to eat. I find that focusing on a task really helps to curb the edge. I would usually find my dog, lay with him for a bit and go for a walk. I'd smoke weed to relax back in the day but NOT until my anxiety attack had passed. Do NOT use drugs to fix psychological problems unless you're severely fucked up. They are an absolute last resort. Unless you constantly have a knife to your wrist or think about suffocating yourself in your car then do NOT use drugs. They can fuck you up badly.
If you have bad anxiety or have an attack, send me a PM and tell me about it. I don't care how long or detailed it is, go into as much detail as you want. It's good to spill the beans, even if it's via typing and not verbal. Talking to people really helps to make anxiety attacks less uncomfortable and foreign. I know I sound like a scatterbrain but I'm pretty positive that I can help you. If not, at least you tried before hitting the drugs. ONLY take Xanax if you're having a super bad attack and can't snap yourself out of it. I have some Xanax and Ativan for severe emergencies. Haven't had to use them in over two years.
Excellent post man, very good advice it sounds. Cool of you to be so open, insightful and helpful. One of the best posts I have read in a long time. Me I would say gets anxious from time to time nothing too bad but stress never the less, your suggestions for calming yourself and being aware I will remember.
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ask your doc about triavil, its perphenanzine and amitriptyline in a 2:25mg ratio and works wonders for anxiety, you take it once a day. i still use xanax maybe once every 3-4 months for emergency.
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Excellent post man, very good advice it sounds. Cool of you to be so open, insightful and helpful. One of the best posts I have read in a long time. Me I would say gets anxious from time to time nothing too bad but stress never the less, your suggestions for calming yourself and being aware I will remember.
Thanks, man. Glad you took something away from that.
One thing that really helped me was having complete ego loss on mushrooms back in the day. I only ingested two grams but didn't eat that day and got stuck in the sun. I had a pounding migraine whilst tripping balls and couldn't even speak English. I was speaking in tongues and my friends laughed at me thinking it was a joke...
But having your ego ripped through your asshole and send traveling through the universe at the speed of light does things to you. I became grounded when an acquaintance noticed me tripping out and sat me down. He had dropped acid many times and experienced ego loss as well. The more he spoke, the more coherent I became. I eventually felt connected with the universe and felt as though I had reached Nirvana. Like I said, I'm far from a guru and can't say that I'm a Buddhist, but I've learned a lot from Buddhism and meditating.
When you have an anxiety attack it's hard to rationalize things. The more you fight it, the tighter the mental straight jacket becomes. You have to calm down using whatever method you can and just let it pass. I find that analyzing my attacks and asking myself questions really helps to snap out of it. I often forget the lessons I've learned from tripping and/or meditating so sometimes it takes a minute or two to become grounded. But I really think the two helped. I used to live with crippling depression and social anxiety. When I tried talking to my family about it they just shrugged me off as an emotional teen who was going through a phase. But it certainly affected me for a long time. I had a hard upbringing but it molded me into the person I am now.
I know so many people who are quick to do drugs and just wallow in pity because of their mental challenges... such a waste of energy. Again, if there's a problem that can't be solved then wasting your energy on negativity will only make things worse. If there is a resolution in sight, work towards it. A lot of people are mentally exhausted for stupid little reasons. I think a lot of people are unnecessarily stressed out and just don't know how to cope with it. In this day and age, no one can afford being stressed out for no reason. It cripples the mind. I refuse to let myself stress out over the little things.
I think the take home message is to learn how to identify what's discomforting/causative from the "anxiety attacks". That'll take a whole shit ton off your chest right there. Hell, it'll probably resolve most anxiety attacks. But again, it's hard to be rational when you're sketching out. Identify the challenge and dissect it. Even if you have to say it out loud, do it. Go over with a fine tooth comb and laugh, because it's all in your mind. It's just a matter of perspective. With all the bullshit out there in the real world, are you going to become a slave to your own mind? That sounds pretty gay to me... I have no time to be owning myself when I might slip in the shower or get hit by a drunk driver on the way to work. Stop investing time in thinking negative thoughts and wallowing in pity. Should you be unable to cope with whatever difficulties on your own, talk to someone. It's much better than popping addictive drugs. Save those for recreational purposes. 8)
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so basically anxiety is like a form of insecurity+depression ? and there are medications to make you not feel that way ? arent these just basically drugs like ecstacy and cocaine ?
My anxiety was from work and school issues. Working 50 hours a week and going to college 12 hours a week started to have a toll. i have never felt insecure that i can remember, I'm one of the few people who does not care what anyone thinks of me. never followed any trends, just dressed and acted how i wanted to. my problem is i am very high strung and i get stir crazy when i am not doing something, so having a busy schedule is just part of my way of thinking.
Smoking a little weed and meditation cured my problem. i usually don't recommend drugs to people, but weed helped me sleep so well and calmed me down, but i used in moderation at night only when i needed it. i would rather smoke a bowl than take a Zanax.
I have been following a Buddhist way of thinking for a while now, it helps more than anything else i have tried and as many of you know i am not religious. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
This author and his books changed my way of thinking. i suggest reading these two if you have an open mind and enjoy thinking differently.
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Knowledge-Tarthang-Tulku-Space/dp/0898001692/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225121379&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Knowledge-Time-Space-Inquiry-Reality/dp/0898002060/ref=pd_sim_b_2
Tough reading, but worth it in the end.
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My anxiety was from work and school issues. Working 50 hours a week and going to college 12 hours a week started to have a toll. i have never felt insecure that i can remember, I'm one of the few people who does not care what anyone thinks of me. never followed any trends, just dressed and acted how i wanted to. my problem is i am very high strung and i get stir crazy when i am not doing something, so having a busy schedule is just part of my way of thinking.
Smoking a little weed and meditation cured my problem. i usually don't recommend drugs to people, but weed helped me sleep so well and calmed me down, but i used in moderation at night only when i needed it. i would rather smoke a bowl than take a Zanax.
I have been following a Buddhist way of thinking for a while now, it helps more than anything else i have tried and as many of you know i am not religious. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
This author and his books changed my way of thinking. i suggest reading these two if you have an open mind and enjoy thinking differently.
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Knowledge-Tarthang-Tulku-Space/dp/0898001692/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225121379&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Knowledge-Time-Space-Inquiry-Reality/dp/0898002060/ref=pd_sim_b_2
Tough reading, but worth it in the end.
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The problem is when you go overboard the paranoia sets in & the anxiety increases.
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The problem is when you go overboard the paranoia sets in & the anxiety increases.
True.
Most people smoke WAY too much and induce paranoia and anxiety.
The trick is to relax yourself and take 2-3 small hits of some high quality hydro.
I was never a stoner, i smoked by myself and enjoyed the calmness it "can" create.
it can also make you a lazy mess if you go overboard.
As with anything, moderation is key.
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True.
Most people smoke WAY too much and induce paranoia and anxiety.
The trick is to relax yourself and take 2-3 small hits of some high quality hydro.
I was never a stoner, i smoked by myself and enjoyed the calmness it "can" create.
it can also make you a lazy mess if you go overboard.
As with anything, moderation is key.
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Amen.
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True.
Most people smoke WAY too much and induce paranoia and anxiety.
The trick is to relax yourself and take 2-3 small hits of some high quality hydro.
I was never a stoner, i smoked by myself and enjoyed the calmness it "can" create.
it can also make you a lazy mess if you go overboard.
As with anything, moderation is key.
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so a 13 blunt session session in a hotboxed kia spectra between 3 people isnt a good idea for an insecure teenager with pre existing anxiety ?? ? :-X
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I would try Ativan first bro.
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The problem is when you go overboard the paranoia sets in & the anxiety increases.
I get more weird (anxiety, paranoia) on weed when I smoke it infrequently, especially the real, strong,good hydro :) I think the more often you smoke the more used to it you become. If you take like a year from getting high on weed and then smoke a couple hits of stinky green shit you will be high as a MF! The high is so strong you can just feel the potential for anxiety, probally the loss of control.
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True.
Most people smoke WAY too much and induce paranoia and anxiety.
The trick is to relax yourself and take 2-3 small hits of some high quality hydro.
I was never a stoner, i smoked by myself and enjoyed the calmness it "can" create.
it can also make you a lazy mess if you go overboard.
As with anything, moderation is key.
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Bingo.
I'm sure that I've smoked dozens of pounds of weed in my short lifetime (dead serious - no exaggeration), and I think that people smoke way too much. I smoke no more than a couple of puffs when I blaze and that's more than enough to open my third eye. If you've tripped in the past too, just a toke the next day and you'll be damn near tripping again. Psychedelics are powerful and if you smoke GOOD marijuana you won't need to puff hyoooge blunts to get high.
I'm VERY fortunate to know someone who grows weed with tender love and care. It started out as just plain old Vancouver Island Burmese but now it's a potent F1 hybrid that's an amazing aphrodisiac, anelgesic (only thing that comforts my migraines), meditation tool, etc... I just take a toke of this bud, usually a roach if I have a migraine for the heavier cannabinoids, and it will curb my nausea within 5 seconds. And I can feel the pulsating, excruciating pain from my migraines subside in an instant.
This weed also increases bloodflow to the nether regions... a short while afterward, any action down there results in a damn near instant boner. Girls who've smoked this weed in the past have become so fucking horny. My two ex-gf's and I have tripped balls and fucked all night on this weed. We've also had deep, meditative journeys through oral ingestion as well. This particular strain is very special to me and I'm happy to have a very special friend who's willing to share it with me.
Too many people overindulge in marijuana. THAT'S when you get stupid from it. And that's also when you become paranoid. This particular strain I speak of is excellent, but when I overindulged I too became paranoid. I'd go out in public or to house parties and if I smoked too much, I'd be too twitchy to mack on fine assed hoes. But when I smoke the right amount I can pound damn near any pussy in the house. The key to it is moderation. I don't believe that marijuana leads to depression or anxiety unless it's abused. It will burn you out after a while if you smoke in succession, so I always supplement with nootropics like acetylcholine and aniracetam (any -racetams are good). This will keep you from feeling any sort of haze or green hang over. But then again, you should be smoking only good weed, and sparingly. This way you can continue to enjoy this wonderful plant without causing damage to your lungs, as well as posing a risk to your mental health. Marijuana can and is smoked responsibly without detriment to one's health. It is a fantastic plant that's highly misunderstood and shrouded in taboo and stereotypes. I hope that all of you are able to come across high quality weed if you like to enjoy a toke from time to time. I'm about to take a tiny toke before my workout so my muscles aren't stiff, and for the best mind muscle connection ever. No drug gives you the same mind muscle connection as marijuana. 8)
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i like the small highs too, but the second i take one little hit of weed , the next second im rolling up an eighth in an optimo
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some godsmack or distrubed on my ipod will give me all the muscle and mind connection i need lol
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I'm about to take a tiny toke before my workout so my muscles aren't stiff, and for the best mind muscle connection ever. No drug gives you the same mind muscle connection as marijuana. 8)
i missed this last part.
this is how i learned to isolate my chest from my delts during presses and my back from my biceps during pulldowns and rows. absolutely agree on the mind muscle connection thing. i think everybodybuilder has to train high at leats one time for every body part to understand how to properly train that muscle.
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i missed this last part.
this is how i learned to isolate my chest from my delts during presses and my back from my biceps during pulldowns and rows. absolutely agree on the mind muscle connection thing. i think everybodybuilder has to train high at leats one time for every body part to understand how to properly train that muscle.
Mhm.. you haven't had a solid mind muscle connection until you've used drugs. Sort of sad but true. Another thing I like about a toke before the gym is that the blood really gets flowing. After warming up whatever I'm working out, I hang from the pull up bar and my entire back cracks. It feels beautiful lol
Just got back from a sick chest workout but when I got to the gym, I realized that my younger bro pinched my lighter. I had the Tupac booming in my ride and was already amped up. Ah shucks! Going to take a tiny puff, take a shower and eat some of my girl's delicious food. :P
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Good stuff Dustin, we think alike in many ways.
I can't workout high and i've tried it several times in the past. My strength goes out the window but i agree it helps with the mind/muscle connection. i used to smoke and train arms years ago, but not the bigger lifts i can't imagine trying to deadlift 500+ while high...lol
I haven't smoked in about a year, so maybe it's time...
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Good stuff Dustin, we think alike in many ways.
I can't workout high and i've tried it several times in the past. My strength goes out the window but i agree it helps with the mind/muscle connection. i used to smoke and train arms years ago, but not the bigger lifts i can't imagine trying to deadlift 500+ while high...lol
I haven't smoked in about a year, so maybe it's time...
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I can't no matter what. I know guys who can have a couple beers with lunch & then take a nap & go to the gym. Never could do that either.
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My anxiety was from work and school issues. Working 50 hours a week and going to college 12 hours a week started to have a toll. i have never felt insecure that i can remember, I'm one of the few people who does not care what anyone thinks of me. never followed any trends, just dressed and acted how i wanted to. my problem is i am very high strung and i get stir crazy when i am not doing something, so having a busy schedule is just part of my way of thinking.
Smoking a little weed and meditation cured my problem. i usually don't recommend drugs to people, but weed helped me sleep so well and calmed me down, but i used in moderation at night only when i needed it. i would rather smoke a bowl than take a Zanax.
^I'm glad to see you weren't hooked on Nubain, Overload.
I was beginning to worry. :-X
DIV
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i know one professional bodybuilder and one state level bodybuilder who are friends and workout togethor and they are getting high before every workout. and have been doing so for years.
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i know one professional bodybuilder and one state level bodybuilder who are friends and workout togethor and they are getting high before every workout. and have been doing so for years.
Just because they do it doesn't mean everyone else should. I knew a guy who thought it would be a good idea to train while on PCP - couldn't feel anything & then dislocated his shoulder & tore his rotator cuff...just because you can doesn't always mean you should.
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i know one professional bodybuilder and one state level bodybuilder who are friends and workout togethor and they are getting high before every workout. and have been doing so for years.
CC is a huge stoner.
I don't think getting high is detrimental to gains, i just could never lift heavy while high and since i train for strength i never did it.
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CC is a huge stoner.
I don't think getting high is detrimental to gains, i just could never lift heavy while high and since i train for strength i never did it.
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Agreed. I personally could never do it because I'd be unable to focus on the task at hand.
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i dont believe you need to be high to have a mind and muscle connection...you just have to focus on contracting the muscle and getting a good squeeze..i tried it once and like overload said i couldnt lift as heavy..
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When I smoke TOO much I certainly lose my strength as well. It almost feels like I'm trembling under the weights. That's why I don't smoke too much. Too much THC and you become "twitchy". This is why I save roaches for before the gym. It has a heavier concentration of cannabinoids. A little THC will give you the mental boost to tear the weights apart, but the cannabinoids relax your muscles and get the blood flowing. Too much of THAT and you get too burnt out to even work out in the first place... you need to find a good strain that suits you and time things right. But I won't argue that it's the be all, end all. Not everyone can workout stoned. I know big time stoners and big time lifters and the two don't always go hand in hand. But when it does, it's a beautiful combination.
The thing I like is how relaxed my muscles get. After warming up I hang from the chin up bar and loosen up my entire body. Then I had an amazing mind muscle connection. I actually lift HEAVIER when I'm stoned. I can be pretty focused just working out without toking beforehand, but it gives me a slight edge. A step above any stim if you ask me. Today is arm day so maybe if I toke I'll be able to isolate my girly triceps. :D
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you need to find a good strain that suits you and time things right. But I won't argue that it's the be all, end all. Not everyone can workout stoned. I know big time stoners and big time lifters and the two don't always go hand in hand. But when it does, it's a beautiful combination.
I agree with this for sure, not all weed has the same effects. Finding a good strain down here is pretty difficult, do you live in Canada?
I'm lucky if i can find something other than Mexican dirt weed.
I've smoked some serious shit that made me trip similar to shrooms, and i only took a few hits of it. stuff like that is hard to come by where i'm at.
The thing I like is how relaxed my muscles get. After warming up I hang from the chin up bar and loosen up my entire body. Then I had an amazing mind muscle connection. I actually lift HEAVIER when I'm stoned.
It does relax you like nothing else, after a heavy workout i used to smoke and then fire up the grill and cook up some good shit, then just relax the rest of the evening.
Ahhh memories...
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Marijuana=elevated estrogen levels, can't be good.
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Marijuana=elevated estrogen levels, can't be good.
Not enough to cause a single problem.
Studies show it to have ZERO impact on a persons well being.
Soy does the same, and so does a million other things we consume every day, so this holds no water in any arguement for or against the topic at hand.
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Not enough to cause a single problem.
Studies show it to have ZERO impact on a persons well being.
Soy does the same, and so does a million other things we consume every day, so this holds no water in any arguement for or against to topic at hand.
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Exactly.
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I agree with this for sure, not all weed has the same effects. Finding a good strain down here is pretty difficult, do you live in Canada?
I'm lucky if i can find something other than Mexican dirt weed.
I've smoked some serious shit that made me trip similar to shrooms, and i only took a few hits of it. stuff like that is hard to come by where i'm at.
It does relax you like nothing else, after a heavy workout i used to smoke and then fire up the grill and cook up some good shit, then just relax the rest of the evening.
Ahhh memories...
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I never saw you as a recreational user, Overload.
You know what they say......
Marijuana use is only one step away from the 'Bain.... :-\
DIV
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I never saw you as a recreational user, Overload.
You know what they say......
Marijuana use is only one step away from the 'Bain.... :-\
DIV
Most people don't label me as such, specially with my education background.
I wasn't a big smoker, just a few nights a week.
I never enjoyed pain meds, just made me sleepy, i guess that is why i never had any interest in the BAIN.
I'll always be linked to the BAIN, it was my destiny!
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I agree with this for sure, not all weed has the same effects. Finding a good strain down here is pretty difficult, do you live in Canada?
I'm lucky if i can find something other than Mexican dirt weed.
I've smoked some serious shit that made me trip similar to shrooms, and i only took a few hits of it. stuff like that is hard to come by where i'm at.
It does relax you like nothing else, after a heavy workout i used to smoke and then fire up the grill and cook up some good shit, then just relax the rest of the evening.
Ahhh memories...
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Good Sativa is probably what you'd like the most. Doesn't give you that really deep, knock you on your ass and totally rehabilitated you kind of high. It's a light high and you can be very functional, yet relax and be very mellow. Weed in LA is very abundant, especially since you can get your medical card and walk into a store and get whatever the hell you want, even all kinds of candy bars, cookies, cakes, etc baked with bud :)
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Most people don't label me as such, specially with my education background.
I wasn't a big smoker, just a few nights a week.
I never enjoyed pain meds, just made me sleepy, i guess that is why i never had any interest in the BAIN.
I'll always be linked to the BAIN, it was my destiny!
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I've tried many things, but I don't have an addictive personality or whatever the gene is that addicts have.
I feel bad for people who can't control their vices.
Even women can be a vice if let them be. :-X
DIV
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I've tried many things, but I don't have an addictive personality or whatever the gene is that addicts have.
I feel bad for people who can't control their vices.
Even women can be a vice if let them be. :-X
DIV
I've never been into rec drugs either, but in my younger years I did try quite a few things. I also enjoy that about weed, I can put it down for several years and not even think about it, smoke some when I have sleeping problems and just put it right back down again.
I'm surprised I didn't get caught up in a lot of that stuff in my younger years though, I have a lot of addictive personality traits in my family, most being alcoholics. I think it's due to just making a commitment to myself at a very young age never to get caught up in it after seeing what it did to several close family members.
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I've never been into rec drugs either, but in my younger years I did try quite a few things. I also enjoy that about weed, I can put it down for several years and not even think about it, smoke some when I have sleeping problems and just put it right back down again.
I'm surprised I didn't get caught up in a lot of that stuff in my younger years though, I have a lot of addictive personality traits in my family, most being alcoholics. I think it's due to just making a commitment to myself at a very young age never to get caught up in it after seeing what it did to several close family members.
I don't understand who lifters have severe addiction to Nubain.
It's not regarded as a strong narcotic, yet in BB you hear alot of horror stories about it.
DIV
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I don't understand who lifters have severe addiction to Nubain.
It's not regarded as a strong narcotic, yet in BB you hear alot of horror stories about it.
DIV
Well a lot of BB'rs don't come from the best backgrounds, a lot of guys have troubled backgrounds dealing with other issues such as minor crime and drugs. BB'ng was probably a way for a lot of them to try and move away from those issues but the addictive personalities stayed with them.
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Well a lot of BB'rs don't come from the best backgrounds, a lot of guys have troubled backgrounds dealing with other issues such as minor crime and drugs. BB'ng was probably a way for a lot of them to try and move away from those issues but the addictive personalities stayed with them.
I understand that.
What I don't understand is mixing Nubain with AAS.
It's not something you just throw in with your Sustanon shot.
It takes a conscious effort to make a decision like that.
The lifestyle of a lifter and a drug addict don't coincide.
DIV
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I understand that.
What I don't understand is mixing Nubain with AAS.
It's not something you just throw in with your Sustanon shot.
It takes a conscious effort to make a decision like that.
The lifestyle of a lifter and a drug addict don't coincide.
DIV
But the lifestyles or habits of an AAS user (addict) and a drug user (addict) do. They both can be viewed as addictions and if you believe the hype, steroids are very, very bad causing all kinds of crazy things to happen to you. Anything from acne to roid rage killer of women and children.
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I've tried many things, but I don't have an addictive personality or whatever the gene is that addicts have.
I feel bad for people who can't control their vices.
Even women can be a vice if let them be. :-X
DIV
I don't have an addictive personality either.
I was smoking a gram of hydro a week, which is nothing to a real stoner. Most guys smoke that in one sitting. IIRC i was only smoking 2-3 days a week, never really abused it.
Like Emmortal, i could put it down for a few years without ever thinking about it. i still have some laying around the house, but haven't touched it in over a year.
The BAIN is in a league of its own, that stuff is very addictive.
I don't understand how someone can be a drug addict, but i do have alcoholics in my family and that is no joke. Lucky for me i really don't like drinking that much. a few drinks every few weeks is enough for me.
Women can be a huge problem for men, i've seen some guys do some crazy shit over a girl, it's unreal to me.
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Good Sativa is probably what you'd like the most. Doesn't give you that really deep, knock you on your ass and totally rehabilitated you kind of high. It's a light high and you can be very functional, yet relax and be very mellow. Weed in LA is very abundant, especially since you can get your medical card and walk into a store and get whatever the hell you want, even all kinds of candy bars, cookies, cakes, etc baked with bud :)
just the other week i had a friend get a club card and he came back hom with a few ounces of purple plus he bought some 'keef' i think its called.. i guess its just high potency THC extract... ive smoked alot of weed at one time in the past... as much as a quarter ounce to the dome in a few hours time.. but one hit of the club weed with the keef poured on top.... whole 'nother dimension..instantaneous ly...
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But the lifestyles or habits of an AAS user (addict) and a drug user (addict) do. They both can be viewed as addictions and if you believe the hype, steroids are very, very bad causing all kinds of crazy things to happen to you. Anything from acne to roid rage killer of women and children.
That back hair growth is a real bitch to deal with. >:(
Women can be a huge problem for men, i've seen some guys do some crazy shit over a girl, it's unreal to me.
I don't understand it either.
I think women are only worth so much trouble.......they should only add to your life, not subtract from it.
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That back hair growth is a real bitch to deal with. >:(
I don't understand it either.
I think women are only worth so much trouble.......they should only add to your life, not subtract from it.
DIV
Well there are a lot of guys who are just plain old pushovers. They don't have a lot of self esteem and latch onto any woman that will give them the time of day. Same goes for women as well. It seems to be really amplified here in LA though. I've never seen so many drop dead gorgeous women (I'm talking women you see on the covers of magazines) that have nearly zero self esteem. It's really strange.
I've also found that those are the easiest to fuck. The hotter they are the easier it is to get them because most of them think very low of themselves and secondly most of them have a hard time getting laid because a lot of guys are intimidated by them and won't even talk to them.
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Well there are a lot of guys who are just plain old pushovers. They don't have a lot of self esteem and latch onto any woman that will give them the time of day. Same goes for women as well. It seems to be really amplified here in LA though. I've never seen so many drop dead gorgeous women (I'm talking women you see on the covers of magazines) that have nearly zero self esteem. It's really strange.
I've also found that those are the easiest to fuck. The hotter they are the easier it is to get them because most of them think very low of themselves and secondly most of them have a hard time getting laid because a lot of guys are intimidated by them and won't even talk to them.
That must be L.A., bro.
Here in Phoenix, average looking women tend to over-estimate their value....
I have some preferences, but mainly it's about the woman's attitude and personality.
If I don't like her, it doesn't matter what she looks like.
DIV
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Well there are a lot of guys who are just plain old pushovers. They don't have a lot of self esteem and latch onto any woman that will give them the time of day. Same goes for women as well. It seems to be really amplified here in LA though. I've never seen so many drop dead gorgeous women (I'm talking women you see on the covers of magazines) that have nearly zero self esteem. It's really strange.
I've also found that those are the easiest to fuck. The hotter they are the easier it is to get them because most of them think very low of themselves and secondly most of them have a hard time getting laid because a lot of guys are intimidated by them and won't even talk to them.
yes !! very true !! i see you are wise 8)
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I understand that.
What I don't understand is mixing Nubain with AAS.
It's not something you just throw in with your Sustanon shot.
It takes a conscious effort to make a decision like that.
The lifestyle of a lifter and a drug addict don't coincide.
DIV
But it does. It makes perfect sense to me that the bodybuilding industry is full of addicts. Why are you surprised by this? Lots of reformed addicts too. Bodybuilding is a substitute for drugs in many cases.
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But it does. It makes perfect sense to me that the bodybuilding industry is full of addicts. Why are you surprised by this? Lots of reformed addicts too. Bodybuilding is a substitute for drugs in many cases.
You could be right, Bilders....
I just don't see it personally, but I'm sure it's out there.
I'd think it would be hard for these guys to be Nubain addicts and still competing in bodybuilding.
People would tend to notice behavioural changes, subtle things like that.
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You could be right, Bilders....
I just don't see it personally, but I'm sure it's out there.
I'd think it would be hard for these guys to be Nubain addicts and still competing in bodybuilding.
People would tend to notice behavioural changes, subtle things like that.
DIV
You should visit the Mecca in Venice sometime, you're outlook will change dramatically :)
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You should visit the Mecca in Venice sometime, you're outlook will change dramatically :)
That's the thing.........we can only judge by our surroundings.
Where I live in the suburbs, there aren't many bodybuilders and you don't see the same crowd that you would in L.A.
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You could be right, Bilders....
I just don't see it personally, but I'm sure it's out there.
I'd think it would be hard for these guys to be Nubain addicts and still competing in bodybuilding.
People would tend to notice behavioural changes, subtle things like that.
DIV
Do you remember when Duchaine said almost every top 10 Olympia finalist is a Nubain addict?
A lot of times their behavior is already pretty bizarre before the hardcore drug addiction sets in. Lots of "eccentric" characters in bodybuilding. And the female side... well, imagine the psychology of some of these women considering what they do to themselves.
I don't hang out with drug users really, but when you go to shows, and train at gyms with competitors, you will notice the rec drug use also. It goes "well" with the OCD bodybuilder lifestyle. It's not a balanced lifestyle by any means most of the time.
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Do you remember when Duchaine said almost every top 10 Olympia finalist is a Nubain addict?
A lot of times their behavior is already pretty bizarre before the hardcore drug addiction sets in. Lots of "eccentric" characters in bodybuilding. And the female side... well, imagine the psychology of some of these women considering what they do to themselves.
I don't hang out with drug users really, but when you go to shows, and train at gyms with competitors, you will notice the rec drug use also. It goes "well" with the OCD bodybuilder lifestyle. It's not a balanced lifestyle by any means most of the time.
Duchaine saw alot of shit, that's true.
I don't go to the shows and don't see any competitors at my gym so I suppose I'm missing out.
I've heard alot about the "hanger-ons" in bodybuilding.....
People who just hang out but aren't actually lifters, just a part of the scene.
The Psychology of a female who has gone through complete virilization due to AAS must be somewhat similiar to a man....
For a time I was close to Jodi Miller, but she was pretty normal in most respects.
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The Psychology of a female who has gone through complete virilization due to AAS must be somewhat similiar to a man....
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That's not really what I'm talking about. Deciding to become a freak is a big 'fuck you' to society. That's why there's a lot of "issues" even before the drugs.
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That's not really what I'm talking about. Deciding to become a freak is a big 'fuck you' to society. That's why there's a lot of "issues" even before the drugs.
I don't think all lifters get in to this to say "fuck you" to society, Bilders.
Some just like it....
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I don't think all lifters get in to this to say "fuck you" to society, Bilders.
Some just like it....
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That's not really what I'm talking about. Deciding to become a freak is a big 'fuck you' to society. That's why there's a lot of "issues" even before the drugs.
You are both right. All i know is that when i first meet new people etc. they avoid me like the plague and are noticeably uncomforble, but after they get to know me it's like: "hey could you bake me one of those apple pies, because last time i told my wife that i did it and got some!)
I LOVE COOKING AND BAKING...
HAVEN'T BAKED WITH XANAX THOYGH...
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I don't think all lifters get in to this to say "fuck you" to society, Bilders.
Some just like it....
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Of course, but I was talking of the female hardcore bodybuilding specifically. A man can get lots of positive comments and admiration and respect as he grows but a female will have to get used to a lot of mostly negative crap when she starts the drugs.
You are both right. All i know is that when i first meet new people etc. they avoid me like the plague and are noticeably uncomforble, but after they get to know me it's like: "hey could you bake me one of those apple pies, because last time i told my wife that i did it and got some!)
I LOVE COOKING AND BAKING...
HAVEN'T BAKED WITH XANAX THOYGH...
Being called a freak is the biggest compliment a male bb can get! :D
Being mistaken for a different gender is another matter entirely. :o
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Well there are a lot of guys who are just plain old pushovers. They don't have a lot of self esteem and latch onto any woman that will give them the time of day. Same goes for women as well. It seems to be really amplified here in LA though. I've never seen so many drop dead gorgeous women (I'm talking women you see on the covers of magazines) that have nearly zero self esteem. It's really strange.
I've also found that those are the easiest to fuck. The hotter they are the easier it is to get them because most of them think very low of themselves and secondly most of them have a hard time getting laid because a lot of guys are intimidated by them and won't even talk to them.
Amazing observation, man. It's clear as day but so many people don't realize it!! When I did I went on a pussy pulling marathon. I was excited, a little disgusted, but mostly just excited. Dudes are usually much bigger pussies than women. And women just need some smooth talking, a few laughs and 99% will drop their panties for you. If you include booze or weed in the mix you're GUARANTEED to get that pussy.
I wouldn't say that super hot girls have a hard time getting fucked though. They may not be getting fucked as much as people would assume, but they do take in their fair share of dick. You'd be surprised at how many absolute LOSERS are out there fucking the most gorgeous broads though. It's because their stupid, alpha male mentality is all that's necessary to get that pussy. That and a couple of laughs is all it takes. You treat a girl like dirt and she'll stick to you like mud. It's absolutely true, even the most respectful women will feed off it even if they seem to resent you (they're just anal retentive bitches who haven't let out their inner freak - but once they do they're usually NYMPHOS).
Guys are generally fucktards. Girls are usually stupid as SHIT, but even the smarter ones aren't so cunning. If you walk into a room you could see the most smoking, conservative girl and I can almost guarantee you that any of you ugly bastards out there can walk away with a bf at the very least. You just need to know what to say and girls will do anything. I don't like playing girls like this though... while I'm not a sobbing pussy, I am a strongly emotional person and I feel horrible exploiting girls. When I was between gf's I had one broad literally begging me for the cock but I just fingered her and put her to sleep. I'm at the point where I don't like just fucking girls. They could be dirty, it could come back at you, and that really brings down a girl's self esteem. I also don't like to fuck a girl that would submit like that so easily. I especially wouldn't want to spent the rest of my life with a girl who's got a pea brain and a worn out cooter. I'm happy to say that the last three girls I've been with were all virgins (first consecutive virgin was only so-so, I'll admit). The one I'm with now it a total keeper. I thought I'd have to wait until marriage until she opened up and I was fully prepared too, but she's an absolute freak in the sheets.
I know I'm getting completely off topic here but I got excited to see Emm's observation. So many people are blink. People often wonder why they see homos and jerks pulling in the craziest pussy when they're at the clubs and I just shake my head... it's not rocket science!!! You just don't have to be a pussy. Go out there and spit your game. The worst that'll happen is that you get rejected, learn a ton of lessons and become that much closer at your next attempt. Some people have no respect for themselves and just use brute force tactics - hit on anything with a pussy. But it works! They go home and fuck a broad while you just get to fuck your hand.... I don't exploit this knowledge though. I'm young but content with settling down and starting a family. Even on steroids I can hardly keep up with my gf's insatiable sex drive. In fact, she just woke me up now before work for a quicky. I could hardly open my eyes because I fell asleep with my contact lenses in and she just old me it didn't matter and ripped off my sweat pants lmao
All that being said too, I do not claim to be a crazy player. I've banged brag-worthy pussy, but knowing all this I find that there's honestly nothing to brag about anymore. If you can sit with a girl who's in a comfortable state of mind, you can crack some jokes, find a vice or a hook that gets her intrigue and slowly start macking on her. It's so fucking easy. No one should have a hard time getting pussy. I've seen red neck, pimple faced trailer trash bag some AMAZING pussy. They may be stupid, ugly and poor but they've got balls. Use em or lose em.
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Of course, but I was talking of the female hardcore bodybuilding specifically. A man can get lots of positive comments and admiration and respect as he grows but a female will have to get used to a lot of mostly negative crap when she starts the drugs.
I really haven't delved in to that aspect of it.
When I see a female bodybuilder who shows virilization from AAS, I try to avoid making it obvious that I'm staring or disgusted by it out of courtesy.
.....but I just can't help wondering what went through her mind to put her herself in that condition.
Why she felt the need to take anabolics and ruin her feminine traits, her skin, her face, her voice, her clit! :-X
I really don't understand the psychology behind women wanting to become more masculine.
Muscle tone is one thing, but putting on mass like a man isn't attractive to about 95% of society. ???
DIV
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back on topic. If you want an anxiety drug that is not addictive try BUSPAR.. Its 15mg and works pretty well. It will take the edge off and has no addictive issues and no issues coming off of it!! Alot of psychologists will start you with buspar to avoid the harsh things like xanax,ativan,klonopin,valium etc.....