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and IMO, this goes for the majority of Liberals.
Why a Christian Can Not Vote for Obama The below was written by Huntley Brown.
Huntley Brown is a fabulous concert pianist, man of God and
is a black man.
Share with as many as you can. It's important!
Why I Can't Vote For Obama By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I
sent out an email with a few points. With the election just
around the corner I decided to complete my perspective.
Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but
it's worth repeating.
First I must say whoever wins the election will have my
prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his
accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be
voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their
blackness.
I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a
Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't
dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.
I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote
Christian because that's who I am. Christian first,
black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic
groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I
won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked
if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a
society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic
stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong
economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't
judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content
of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go
off is his voting record.
His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal
senator in the US Senate in 2007.
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007
(01/31/2008)
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton as the most liberal
senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2
short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had
four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 %
rating.
There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.
There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him.
There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges
to the Supreme Court.
There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of
same-sex marriage.
There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth
abortion.
There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices
Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and
they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same
practice Obama wanted to continue. Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to
continue.
THE 5 STEP PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION PROCEDURE
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the (live)
baby's leg with forceps.
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body,
except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull.
The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is
inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the
skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed. God help
him.
There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification
law.
Think about this: you can't give a kid an aspirin
without parental notification but that same kid can have an
abortion without parental notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church
for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under
Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning
Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and
discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us
in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make disciples of allnations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people tothink like you, walk like you, talk like you believe whatyou believe etc. The question I have is what did JeremiahWright teach him?Would you support a White President who went to a churchwhich has tenets that said they have a:1. Commitment to the White Community2. Commitment to the White Family3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community. 5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions 6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who
espouse and embrace the White Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like
that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the
tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a
member of a church like this, he would be called a racist.
Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching
outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake
up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist
church. The church can't be about race. Jesus did not
come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The
churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate.It does not matter if it's a white church or a blackchurch it's still wrong. Anyone from either race thatattends a church like this would never get my vote.Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this? So what does all this mean for the nation? In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king.
First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but
warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will
reign over them will do.'
Then God says
1 Samuel 1:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out
for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will
not answer you in that day.' 19 But the people refused
to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a
king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations,
with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our
battles.' 21 When Samuel heard all that the
People said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD
answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to
vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided
against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are
not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not
change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture
so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really
look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I
am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the
genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have
to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am
sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making
laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to
push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy. I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal> friends.Since we know someone's value system has to be placedon the nation,1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?2. Who should determine that this is the right value systemfor the nation?Blessings,Huntley Brown
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Jeez!!!
The writer forgot to call him an Uncle Tom. :'(
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Oh noooooo, ...Christians everywhere will be voting for McCain, because this eMail told them to. ::)
Don't worry Coach, ...you're completely exempt from having to follow this... it only applies to Christians.
Any man 2x's divorced, doesn't qualify as a Christian. :P
1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?
2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?
Obama X
McCain
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Joe, you also said Liberals don't go to heaven too, right?
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Isn't McCain divorced?
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Oh noooooo, ...Christians everywhere will be voting for McCain, because this eMail told them to. ::)
Don't worry Coach, ...you're completely exempt from having to follow this... it only applies to Christians.
Any man 2x's divorced, doesn't qualify as a Christian. :PObama X
McCain
Your ignorance is beyond words!
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Joe, you also said Liberals don't go to heaven too, right?
No.....I didn't.
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what a "blessing" that you received this email before you made the terrible sin of voting for Obama
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No.....I didn't.
Fair enough. But you did say that Liberals cannot be true christians, right?
Please explain.......it's my belief that Liberals cannot be true Christians, make it quick, I have a feeling this thread will be moved real quick with your post and my response!
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But you can go ahead and vote for a man who sent thousands to die for a lie?
How very Christian of you.
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But you can go ahead and vote for a man who sent thousands to die for a lie?
How very Christian of you.
It's almost like you're saying Christianity is being used as an excuse. :)
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Exactly! The "excuse" is a cover for you know what.
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Coach is a fool. He posts long and drawn out threads, but if someone actually were to respond to all of the points made in the post, he wouldn't respond to the critique. He isn't capable of going line by line and defending everything that the OP says.
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Isn't McCain divorced?
Nah. He's married. :D
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What a dumb thread......
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and IMO, this goes for the majority of Liberals.
Why a Christian Can Not Vote for Obama The below was written by Huntley Brown.
Huntley Brown is a fabulous concert pianist, man of God and
is a black man.
Share with as many as you can. It's important!
Why I Can't Vote For Obama By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I
sent out an email with a few points. With the election just
around the corner I decided to complete my perspective.
Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but
it's worth repeating.
First I must say whoever wins the election will have my
prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his
accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be
voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their
blackness.
I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a
Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't
dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.
I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote
Christian because that's who I am. Christian first,
black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic
groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I
won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked
if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a
society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic
stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong
economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't
judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content
of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go
off is his voting record.
His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal
senator in the US Senate in 2007.
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007
(01/31/2008)
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton as the most liberal
senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2
short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had
four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 %
rating.
There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.
There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him.
There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges
to the Supreme Court.
There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of
same-sex marriage.
There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth
abortion.
There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices
Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and
they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same
practice Obama wanted to continue. Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to
continue.
THE 5 STEP PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION PROCEDURE
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the (live)
baby's leg with forceps.
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body,
except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull.
The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is
inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the
skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed. God help
him.
There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification
law.
Think about this: you can't give a kid an aspirin
without parental notification but that same kid can have an
abortion without parental notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church
for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under
Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning
Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and
discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us
in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make disciples of allnations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people tothink like you, walk like you, talk like you believe whatyou believe etc. The question I have is what did JeremiahWright teach him?Would you support a White President who went to a churchwhich has tenets that said they have a:1. Commitment to the White Community2. Commitment to the White Family3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community. 5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions 6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who
espouse and embrace the White Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like
that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the
tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a
member of a church like this, he would be called a racist.
Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching
outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake
up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist
church. The church can't be about race. Jesus did not
come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The
churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate.It does not matter if it's a white church or a blackchurch it's still wrong. Anyone from either race thatattends a church like this would never get my vote.Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this? So what does all this mean for the nation? In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king.
First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but
warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will
reign over them will do.'
Then God says
1 Samuel 1:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out
for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will
not answer you in that day.' 19 But the people refused
to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a
king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations,
with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our
battles.' 21 When Samuel heard all that the
People said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD
answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to
vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided
against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are
not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not
change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture
so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really
look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I
am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the
genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have
to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am
sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making
laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to
push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy. I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal> friends.Since we know someone's value system has to be placedon the nation,1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?2. Who should determine that this is the right value systemfor the nation?Blessings,Huntley Brown
McCain isnt a Christian at all.
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Your ignorance is beyond words!
My mistake, ...you're 3 x's divorced. :D
How does it feel knowing you broke your vow to God 3 times!?
pssst: You know God reserves a special place in Hell for people who screw him over 3x's in a row.
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and IMO, this goes for the majority of Liberals.
Why a Christian Can Not Vote for Obama The below was written by Huntley Brown.
Huntley Brown is a fabulous concert pianist, man of God and
is a black man.
Share with as many as you can. It's important!
Why I Can't Vote For Obama By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I
sent out an email with a few points. With the election just
around the corner I decided to complete my perspective.
Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but
it's worth repeating.
First I must say whoever wins the election will have my
prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his
accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be
voting for him.
Many of my friends process their identity through their
blackness.
I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a
Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't
dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.
I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote
Christian because that's who I am. Christian first,
black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic
groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I
won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked
if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
In an election there are many issues to consider but when a
society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic
stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong
economic concerns will soon not matter.
We need to follow Martin Luther King's words, don't
judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content
of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go
off is his voting record.
His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal
senator in the US Senate in 2007.
NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007
(01/31/2008)
To beat Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton as the most liberal
senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2
short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had
four years to work with.
There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 %
rating.
There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.
There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him.
There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges
to the Supreme Court.
There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of
same-sex marriage.
There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth
abortion.
There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices
Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and
they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same
practice Obama wanted to continue. Let's take a look at the practice he wanted to
continue.
THE 5 STEP PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION PROCEDURE
A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the (live)
baby's leg with forceps.
B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body,
except for the head.
D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull.
The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is
inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the
skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed. God help
him.
There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification
law.
Think about this: you can't give a kid an aspirin
without parental notification but that same kid can have an
abortion without parental notification. This is insane.
There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church
for 20 years.
Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under
Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning
Wright's sermons. I wonder why now?
Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and
discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us
in Matthew 28:19 - 20 'Go and make disciples of allnations.' This means reproduce yourself. Teach people tothink like you, walk like you, talk like you believe whatyou believe etc. The question I have is what did JeremiahWright teach him?Would you support a White President who went to a churchwhich has tenets that said they have a:1. Commitment to the White Community2. Commitment to the White Family3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community. 5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions 6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who
espouse and embrace the White Value System
7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
Would you support a President who went to a church like
that?
Just change the word from white to black and you have the
tenets of Obama's former church. If President Bush was a
member of a church like this, he would be called a racist.
Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching
outside.
This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake
up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist
church. The church can't be about race. Jesus did not
come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
A church can't have a value system based on race. The
churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate.It does not matter if it's a white church or a blackchurch it's still wrong. Anyone from either race thatattends a church like this would never get my vote.Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: 'Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this? So what does all this mean for the nation? In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment.
Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king.
First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 'Now listen to them; but
warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will
reign over them will do.'
Then God says
1 Samuel 1:18 ' When that day comes, you will cry out
for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will
not answer you in that day.' 19 But the people refused
to listen to Samuel. 'No!' they said. 'We want a
king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations,
with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our
battles.' 21 When Samuel heard all that the
People said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD
answered, 'Listen to them and give them a king.'
Here is what we know for sure.
God is not schizophrenic
He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to
vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided
against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are
not hearing from God.
Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not
change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture
so I doubt it.
For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really
look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I
am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the
genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have
to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am
sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making
laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to
push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy. I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal> friends.Since we know someone's value system has to be placedon the nation,1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?2. Who should determine that this is the right value systemfor the nation?Blessings,Huntley Brown
A perfect example of why the far right continues to die out and mainstream America distances themselves from the idiots.
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My mistake, ...you're 3 x's divorced. :D
How does it feel knowing you broke your vow to God 3 times!?
pssst: You know God reserves a special place in Hell for people who screw him over 3x's in a row.
How does it feel to be that judgmental not knowing what the f**k you're talking about?
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Fair enough. But you did say that Liberals cannot be true christians, right?
I absolutely said that and stand by it.
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I absolutely said that and stand by it.
what if they really love jesus and accept him as their personal saviour?
wouldn't that make them a "true" christian?
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My mistake, ...you're 3 x's divorced. :D
How does it feel knowing you broke your vow to God 3 times!?
pssst: You know God reserves a special place in Hell for people who screw him over 3x's in a row.
::)
Judi, do you even know why he's divorced?
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I absolutely said that and stand by it.
God will be disappointed to hear that.
I mean, the thing these libs believe in... ending pre-emptive war, feeding the hungry. WTF is wrong with them?
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what if they really love jesus and accept him as their personal saviour?
wouldn't that make them a "true" christian?
If that was true........well, that email sums up something that I've been saying for years.
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Judi, do you even know why he's divorced?
She has no clue.
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I absolutely said that and stand by it.
Well, seriously that is just typical shallow minded crap that drives ppl away. Someone can't be a christian due to political beliefs? What happened to judge not, welcome all etc? Also, really, many deep christians would consider you an ultimate sinner for the divorces, not to personally insult you, just making a point.
As far as the thread point, I am all for goodness, but not hypocritical behaviour. Soon as someone goes on an antiabortion tangent, while at the same time wanting to kill human beings [Iraqis and others] and also enjoys killing gods creatures [animals] for fun while promoting the death penalty which obviously is fundementally flawed as the 100+ let off show - I immediately disregard all they say on the grounds of epic hypocrasy. A foetus staying alive is more important then an Iraqi family being alive. Uh, ok. ::)
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If that was true........well, that email sums up something that I've been saying for years.
what part is not true
I thought being a true christian was pretty simple
please explain what part I'm missing?
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I absolutely said that and stand by it.
Which only shows why the majority of religious people are simply idiots. Your stupidity is dazzling.
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Judi, do you even know why he's divorced?
Ya, ...he was so lousy in bed, one of his wives turned gay. How bad do you have to be to turn a woman gay?
That and the fact that he broke his vow to God. For richer, for poorer, in sickness or health, 'til death do us part'.
What God has joined together, ...let no man put asunder. He put asunder 3 x's.
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i love the end of the letter explaining that he cannot vote for obama because he supports gays rights, LMAO and then goes on to say this is a reason god destroyed two cities....
I love the fact that god is all loving yet capable of destruction and evil acts. Also if god is all loving and incapable of evil then why does evil exist? the devil? well didnt god create all that exists, wouldnt the devil also be included, if not then he is not the sole creator. If he is then he has the capacity for evil and is not all loving. If he is omnipotent he could just end the devils existence and wipe out evil, if he cannot and its appears he hasnt then he is not all powerful. If he is all knowing then he knew what would happen to humanity when he created adam and eve, hence he created us to fail
Im just rhyming off some of the philosophical impossibilities of a christian god not to mention the fact that they are bigots.
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God will be disappointed to hear that.
I mean, the thing these libs believe in... ending pre-emptive war, feeding the hungry. WTF is wrong with them?
Wow, Cindy McCain's eyes in that shot look almost demonic for want of a better word.
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The truth is that God doesn't give half a fart what a mental hick like Coach thinks about his creations.
But Satan reserves a special place in hell for hypocrites.
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I'd still like to hear Joe explain his beliefs
I thought the whole christian thing was pretty simple
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To be honest, i don't see Christianity favor either candidate.
Neither are against the death penalty (bad) but opposes torture (good) eg.
As far as homos goes, neither support gay marriage(good). But both seems to support gay rights to some degree(good).
I think both candidates are unfortunately Bible thumpers to some degree. Those who think Obama won't fall for that shit are mistaken imo.
Obama speaks repeatedly about how USA is blessed, how there's some God given right and that kind of BS. Scary - next thing we know he will pull a Bush and claim that God is speaking with him..
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Oh noooooo, ...Christians everywhere will be voting for McCain, because this eMail told them to. ::)
Don't worry Coach, ...you're completely exempt from having to follow this... it only applies to Christians.
Any man 2x's divorced, doesn't qualify as a Christian. :P
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ZERO's position on abortion alone should make all decent people cringe with horror. He truly is the angel of death to the unborn.
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To be honest, i don't see Christianity favor either candidate.
Neither are against the death penalty (bad) but opposes torture (good) eg.
As far as homos goes, neither support gay marriage(good). But both seems to support gay rights to some degree(good).
I think both candidates are unfortunately Bible thumpers to some degree. Those who think Obama won't fall for that shit are mistaken imo.
Obama speaks repeatedly about how USA is blessed, how there's some God given right and that kind of BS. Scary - next thing we know he will pull a Bush and claim that God is speaking with him..
marriage is a piece of paper, why deny gay people this? denying them anything is bigotry and prejudice, they should be awarded everyright others have as human beings.
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ZERO's position on abortion alone should make all decent people cringe with horror. He truly is the angel of death to the unborn.
Then don't get pregnant and you won't have to worry about having an abortion.
And if someone else gets pregnant, then mind your own business about it.
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Then don't get pregnant and you won't have to worry about having an abortion.
And if someone else gets pregnant, then mind your own business about it.
So, you are in favor of not allowing a doctor to give aide to a baby born alive out of the womb where a mother wanted to have an abortion but the baby is alive and healthy???????
Disgusting. Obama is really a barbaric creep to have pushed this. But then again, the cult followers will explain away any outrageous thing he is about or tried to push before running for president.
Seriously, how can any decent person be for this???? The baby is already born and Obama wants to starve it and forbid the doctor from giving it aide.
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Ya, ...he was so lousy in bed, one of his wives turned gay. How bad do you have to be to turn a woman gay?
That and the fact that he broke his vow to God. For richer, for poorer, in sickness or health, 'til death do us part'.
What God has joined together, ...let no man put asunder. He put asunder 3 x's.
You have no class.
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So, you are in favor of not allowing a doctor to give aide to a baby born alive out of the womb where a mother wanted to have an abortion but the baby is alive and healthy???????
Disgusting. Obama is really a barbaric creep to have pushed this. But then again, the cult followers will explain away any outrageous thing he is about or tried to push before running for president.
Seriously, how can any decent person be for this???? The baby is already born and Obama wants to starve it and forbid the doctor from giving it aide.
He's more concerned about weakening Roe v. Wade.
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What does a vote in any election have to do with being a Christian
Do you lose your ticket to heaven if you vote for a Democrat (or a Green Party, Independent, etc...)
Believe a Jesus, accept him as your personal saviour and you're in - game over
Isn't that the Good News?
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So, you are in favor of not allowing a doctor to give aide to a baby born alive out of the womb where a mother wanted to have an abortion but the baby is alive and healthy???????
Disgusting. Obama is really a barbaric creep to have pushed this. But then again, the cult followers will explain away any outrageous thing he is about or tried to push before running for president.
Seriously, how can any decent person be for this???? The baby is already born and Obama wants to starve it and forbid the doctor from giving it aide.
Obama didn't oppose giving care to babies born healthy and alive as a result of a failed abortion. He opposed the specific bills being passed. This is a common lie pushed by both political parties.
It works like this:
Candidate A opposes act B because he voted against a bill or bills supporting act B.
It's a logical fallacy in politics. Politicians vote against bills for MANY MANY MANY reasons, most of the time not because they oppose the basic original intention of the bill but rather because they oppose the pork, the lack of detail, the possible negative repercussions, etc. of the specific bill being passed.
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ZERO's position on abortion alone should make all decent people cringe with horror. He truly is the angel of death to the unborn.
so we can assume you spend your weekends handing out condoms. best way to reduce the number of abortions, you know.
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Ya, ...he was so lousy in bed, one of his wives turned gay. How bad do you have to be to turn a woman gay?
That and the fact that he broke his vow to God. For richer, for poorer, in sickness or health, 'til death do us part'.
What God has joined together, ...let no man put asunder. He put asunder 3 x's.
Unless he's personally attacked you, and these are VERY personal attacks, I think you're out of line.
That said, the nice thing about Christianity is that if you ask for forgiveness you get it. :)
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All take heed!
Romans 13
Submission to the Authorities
1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
HM (Independent Christian voter)
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All take heed!
Romans 13
Submission to the Authorities
1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
4 for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
HM (Independent Christian voter)
I'm not a christian so I'm still trying to understand why some christians like Joe presume to tell other christians they can't vote for Obama?
Joe I really want to understand your point of view
what does being a christian have to do with some small little speck of temporal human politics?
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So, you are in favor of not allowing a doctor to give aide to a baby born alive out of the womb where a mother wanted to have an abortion but the baby is alive and healthy???????
Disgusting. Obama is really a barbaric creep to have pushed this. But then again, the cult followers will explain away any outrageous thing he is about or tried to push before running for president.
Seriously, how can any decent person be for this???? The baby is already born and Obama wants to starve it and forbid the doctor from giving it aide.
The reality is that vote was merely a crowbar to attempt to pry open Row vs, Wade.
There were already laws on the books that addressed this very issue. The bill before the senate had a different agenda that had nothing to do with giving aide to babies born alive, and everything to do with Row v. Wade.
If you were presented a bill that proposed a new law that said:
- a) - Killing a minor in cold blood is illegal
- b) - All US citizens must immediately send Jaguar $5,000 /yr tax-free
I bet you would vote against it too. It would be superfluous because there are already laws on the books regarding murder. To support this would simply open up a can of worms no one would want opened. (except me) :D
By voting NO, would that mean you're for the genocide of children?
Grow a brain! At the very least, please know what you're talking about before opening your mouth.
Please and Thankyou.
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Believe what you want. Even the people in his own party were for this bill.
How the heck does the "health of the mother come into play" once the baby is already born and what the F does that have to do with giving a live baby aide after it was already born????
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marriage is a piece of paper, why deny gay people this? denying them anything is bigotry and prejudice, they should be awarded everyright others have as human beings.
I support homo marriages. Got no problem with it. But I don't see any support in Christianity for it.
So if you gonna pick a candidate based on Christian values, he/she shouldn't be in favor of gay marriages.
So both candidates are 'correct' Christians as far as that goes.
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If marriage is just a piece of paper why bother with it at all?
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Oh noooooo, ...Christians everywhere will be voting for McCain, because this eMail told them to. ::)
Don't worry Coach, ...you're completely exempt from having to follow this... it only applies to Christians.
Any man 2x's divorced, doesn't qualify as a Christian. :P
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Too bad that this is the close as you'll get to actually voting in this election, Jag. ;)
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If marriage is just a piece of paper why bother with it at all?
it verifies a commitment to some, woman like it and it takes the relationship one step further as its harder to get out of.
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it verifies a commitment to some, woman like it and it takes the relationship one step further as its harder to get out of.
It also gives women the right to butt rape the man in divorce court, especially if they have a kid together. ;D
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I'm sure there are murderer's, rapists, child molestors on death row who have heard the "good news" and accepted Jesus as their personal saviour and according the story they'll all take the express train to paradise just like all the good christians on this board.
How does voting for Palin have any effect on the promise of eternal life in paradise with Jesus.
Joe?
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I absolutely said that and stand by it.
i used to atleast entertain your threads and posts...As of now...atleast as it goes for me..I can not ever take anything you say seriously at all..i will totally ignore you..please go pray for yourself
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i used to atleast entertain your threads and posts...As of now...atleast as it goes for me..I can not ever take anything you say seriously at all..i will totally ignore you..please go pray for yourself
i wnat to vote for obama just because coach is so stupid
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I'm not a christian so I'm still trying to understand why some christians like Joe presume to tell other christians they can't vote for Obama?
Joe I really want to understand your point of view
what does being a christian have to do with some small little speck of temporal human politics?
I am with you on this one. But I think most Christians focus on the social issues i.e., Abortion, gay marriage etc. and less on the economy, energy well you know what I mean. I am voting for who will keep more money in my pocket.
I don't support abortion and could'nt careless if gay folk wanna get married not my business.
HM (ICV)
P.S. Why should Christians only vote for McCain?
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I support homo marriages. Got no problem with it. But I don't see any support in Christianity for it.
So if you gonna pick a candidate based on Christian values, he/she shouldn't be in favor of gay marriages.
So both candidates are 'correct' Christians as far as that goes.
so you believe that a christian can vote for Obama
hey Joe, do you agree with that?
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Well, seriously that is just typical shallow minded crap that drives ppl away. Someone can't be a christian due to political beliefs? What happened to judge not, welcome all etc? Also, really, many deep christians would consider you an ultimate sinner for the divorces, not to personally insult you, just making a point.
As far as the thread point, I am all for goodness, but not hypocritical behaviour. Soon as someone goes on an antiabortion tangent, while at the same time wanting to kill human beings [Iraqis and others] and also enjoys killing gods creatures [animals] for fun while promoting the death penalty which obviously is fundementally flawed as the 100+ let off show - I immediately disregard all they say on the grounds of epic hypocrasy. A foetus staying alive is more important then an Iraqi family being alive. Uh, ok. ::)
CQ, as a Christian I cannot self consously vote for someone who has voted 13 times for abortion (especially late term) IMO, this is just commonsense and has nothing to do with my Christianity especially when I look at my son and how he's changed my life since day one. I as a Christian cannot vote for someone who can possibly approve of a homosexual marriage or homosexuality in general.......again, even I wasn't a Christian I couldn't see it. Does that make me a homophobe, no, not a chance. I still treat everyone equally even though I might not approve of their choice of lifestyle.
I screw around on here alot, I sometimes say somethings I probably shouldn't and of course I admit it make me a hypocrite, but then again everyone is a hypocrite at some point. But first and foremost, I am a Christian, and again, that email sums up why every Christian should not be voting for someone like Obama or otherwise.
If someone is a true Christian and TRIES to follow scripture as it was written, it would be plain to see why that person couldn't vote for him. Based on Obama's voting record, he is in no way, shape or form a Christian as he claims to be.....neither is Rev. Wright nor Flagher. But I'm not the one who will ultimately judge them.
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can't a true christian also look at all the stuff that you're looking at and simply make a different decision?
how does that change their personal relationship with Jesus and their ultimate salvation?
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I as a Christian cannot vote for someone who can possibly approve of a homosexual marriage or homosexuality in general.......again, even I wasn't a Christian I couldn't see it. Does that make me a homophobe, no, not a chance. I still treat everyone equally even though I might not approve of their choice of lifestyle.
guess I won't be inviting you to my wedding
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guess I won't be inviting you to my wedding
Would coach rather have sex with a democrat woman, or a republican man?
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Another Christian Perspective:
Jim Wallis ( http://www.sojo.net/)
My Personal 'Faith Priorities' for this Election
In 2004, several conservative Catholic Bishops and a few megachurch pastors like Rick Warren issued their list of "non-negotiables," which were intended to be a voter guide for their followers. All of them were relatively the same list of issues: abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, etc. None of them even included the word "poverty," only one example of the missing issues which are found quite clearly in the Bible. All of them were also relatively the same as official Republican Party Web sites of "non-negotiables." The political connections and commitments of the religious non-negotiable writers were quite clear.
I want to suggest a different approach this year and share my personal list of "faith priorities" that will guide me in making the imperfect choices that always confront us in any election year -- and suggest that each of you come up with your own list of "faith" or "moral" priorities for this election year and take them into the polling place with you.
After the last election, I wrote a book titled God's Politics. I was criticized by some for presuming to speak for God, but that wasn't the point. I was trying to explore what issues might be closest to the heart of God and how they may be quite different from what many strident religious voices were then saying. I was also saying that "God's Politics" will often turn our partisan politics upside down, transcend our ideological categories of Left and Right, and challenge the core values and priorities of our political culture. I was also trying to say that there is certainly no easy jump from God's politics to either the Republicans or Democrats. God is neither. In any election, we face imperfect choices, but our choices should reflect the things we believe God cares about if we are people of faith, and our own moral sensibilities if we are not people of faith. Therefore, people of faith, and all of us, should be "values voters" but vote all our values, not just a few that can be easily manipulated for the benefit of one party or another.
In 2008, the kingdom of God is not on the ballot in any of the 50 states as far as I can see. So we can't vote for that this year. But there are important choices in this year's election -- very important choices -- which will dramatically impact what many in the religious community and outside of it call "the common good," and the outcome could be very important, perhaps even more so than in many recent electoral contests.
I am in no position to tell anyone what is "non-negotiable," and neither is any Bishop or mega church pastor, but let me tell you the "faith priorities" and values I will be voting on this year:
1. With more than 2,000 verses in the Bible about how we treat the poor and oppressed, I will examine the record, plans, policies, and promises made by the candidates on what they will do to overcome the scandal of extreme global poverty and the shame of such unnecessary domestic poverty in the richest nation in the world. Such a central theme of the Bible simply cannot be ignored at election time, as too many Christians have done for years. And any solution to the economic crisis that simply bails out the rich, and even the middle class, but ignores those at the bottom should simply be unacceptable to people of faith.
2. From the biblical prophets to Jesus, there is, at least, a biblical presumption against war and the hope of beating our swords into instruments of peace. So I will choose the candidates who will be least likely to lead us into more disastrous wars and find better ways to resolve the inevitable conflicts in the world and make us all safer. I will choose the candidates who seem to best understand that our security depends upon other people's security (everyone having "their own vine and fig tree, so no one can make them afraid," as the prophets say) more than upon how high we can build walls or a stockpile of weapons. Christians should never expect a pacifist president, but we can insist on one who views military force only as a very last resort, when all other diplomatic and economic measures have failed, and never as a preferred or habitual response to conflict.
3. "Choosing life" is a constant biblical theme, so I will choose candidates who have the most consistent ethic of life, addressing all the threats to human life and dignity that we face -- not just one. 30,000 children dying globally each day of preventable hunger and disease is a life issue. The genocide in Darfur is a life issue. Health care is a life issue. War is a life issue. The death penalty is a life issue. And on abortion, I will choose candidates who have the best chance to pursue the practical and proven policies which could dramatically reduce the number of abortions in America and therefore save precious unborn lives, rather than those who simply repeat the polarized legal debates and "pro-choice" and "pro-life" mantras from either side.
4. God's fragile creation is clearly under assault, and I will choose the candidates who will likely be most faithful in our care of the environment. In particular, I will choose the candidates who will most clearly take on the growing threat of climate change, and who have the strongest commitment to the conversion of our economy and way of life to a cleaner, safer, and more renewable energy future. And that choice could accomplish other key moral priorities like the redemption of a dangerous foreign policy built on Middle East oil dependence, and the great prospects of job creation and economic renewal from a new "green" economy built on more spiritual values of conservation, stewardship, sustainability, respect, responsibility, co-dependence, modesty, and even humility.
5. Every human being is made in the image of God, so I will choose the candidates who are most likely to protect human rights and human dignity. Sexual and economic slavery is on the rise around the world, and an end to human trafficking must become a top priority. As many religious leaders have now said, torture is completely morally unacceptable, under any circumstances, and I will choose the candidates who are most committed to reversing American policy on the treatment of prisoners. And I will choose the candidates who understand that the immigration system is totally broken and needs comprehensive reform, but must be changed in ways that are compassionate, fair, just, and consistent with the biblical command to "welcome the stranger."
6. Healthy families are the foundation of our community life, and nothing is more important than how we are raising up the next generation. As the father of two young boys, I am deeply concerned about the values our leaders model in the midst of the cultural degeneracy assaulting our children. Which candidates will best exemplify and articulate strong family values, using the White House and other offices as bully pulpits to speak of sexual restraint and integrity, marital fidelity, strong parenting, and putting family values over economic values? And I will choose the candidates who promise to really deal with the enormous economic and cultural pressures that have made parenting such a "countercultural activity" in America today, rather than those who merely scapegoat gay people for the serious problems of heterosexual family breakdown.
That is my list of personal "faith priorities" for the election year of 2008, but they are not "non-negotiables" for anyone else. It's time for each of us to make up our own list in these next 12 days. Make your list and send this on to your friends and family members, inviting them to do the same thing.
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Too bad that this is the close as you'll get to actually voting in this election, Jag. ;)
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You Sir... have wounded me deeply, ...like a knife through my heart. :'(
That's OK though. I'm content in knowing that I have influenced more Americans to vote for the right candidate than you have to vote for McCain. I've told every single member of my family of voting age in the USA that if they don't vote properly, ...they're gonna have to deal with me. I don't think they want it to come to that. :D
ps: We Canadians can vote in a sense. We have our own Canadian election up here about who we would elect President of the USA. They're releasing the results on the 5th. I think we all know how that's gonna go.
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for the repub party to be so anti-gay, they sure got a lot of closet fags in there. and it seems the worst cases are the ones engaging in hypocritical behavior that is a direct result of their own self loathing.
it is funny how conservatives want "little government as possible in their lives" but yet do not think twice about trying to use the government as a tool to impose their own stupid beliefs and opinions on how someone else should live their lives.
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for the repub party to be so anti-gay, they sure got a lot of closet fags in there. and it seems the worst cases are the ones engaging in hypocritical behavior that is a direct result of their own self loathing.
it is funny how conservatives want "little government as possible in their lives" but yet do not think twice about trying to use the government as a tool to impose their own stupid beliefs and opinions on how someone else should live their lives.
I consider myself a conservative and could care less about gays. However, I do not believe they should push their agenda either in the schools, govt either.
Let them do what they want, but if they push their agenda down peoples' throats, they should expect a push back.
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You Sir... have wounded me deeply, ...like a knife through my heart. :'(
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That's OK though. I'm content in knowing that I have influenced more Americans to vote for the right candidate than you have to vote for McCain. I've told every single member of my family of voting age in the USA that if they don't vote properly, ...they're gonna have to deal with me. I don't think they want it to come to that. :D
The foot smell alone should scare them into voting the way you want them to. :-X ;)
ps: We Canadians can vote in a sense. We have our own Canadian election up here about who we would elect President of the USA. They're releasing the results on the 5th. I think we all know how that's gonna go.
If I were you, I'd be more concerned with trying to figure out a way to get your party back in power, seeing as you just lost again to the Canadian Conservative Party with Prime Minister Stephen Harper leading the charge. ;D
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Let them do what they want, but if they push their agenda down peoples' throats, they should expect a push back.
push their agenda: not be fired for being gay, receive the benefits that straight couples take for granted
same things were said about those uppity negros back in the 1950s and 60s.
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same things were said about those uppity negros back in the 1950s and 60s.
so much for "tolerance", huh? ::)
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push their agenda: not be fired for being gay, receive the benefits that straight couples take for granted
same things were said about those uppity negros back in the 1950s and 60s.
I'm talking about pushing "Johnny has two mommies" to 5 year olds.
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I'm talking about pushing "Johnny has two mommies" to 5 year olds.
maybe if you actually took the time to look at Heather has Two Mommies (http://www.amazon.com/Heather-Has-Two-Mommies-Anniversary/dp/1555835430/) or Daddy's Roommate (http://www.amazon.com/Daddys-Roommate-Wonderland-Michael-Willhoite/dp/1555831184/) or Tango Makes Three (http://www.amazon.com/Tango-Makes-Three-Justin-Richardson/dp/B0018SY4OQ/), you'd see how age appropriate they really are. None of these books talk about sex or sexuality. they just show that families come in many forms. this is important for the child in that class who does have a non-traditional family. and it is important for the child with a traditional family because he will run into classmates who don't.
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The foot smell alone should scare them into voting the way you want them to. :-X ;)
If I were you, I'd be more concerned with trying to figure out a way to get your party back in power, seeing as you just lost again to the Canadian Conservative Party with Prime Minister Stephen Harper leading the charge. ;D
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My feet don't smell! >:(
As for harper, ...trust me, ...he'll be out on his ass in the next election.
We had a lot of in fighting in the liberal party. Allies of Jean Crétien weren't happy about Paul Martin overthrowing him and you had Crétien allies against Martin allies. Dion won because he'd been a cabinet minster under both, and both sides felt he could unify the party. He did unify the party, but didn't have enough of an opportunity to sell his agenda to the county. As a result, we went with the status quo, ...but you can rest assured harper's ass will be gone next time.
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Ya, ...he was so lousy in bed, one of his wives turned gay. How bad do you have to be to turn a woman gay?
That and the fact that he broke his vow to God. For richer, for poorer, in sickness or health, 'til death do us part'.
What God has joined together, ...let no man put asunder. He put asunder 3 x's.
One of the divorces was because his wife caught him and his pal Moosejay taking turns to stick their cocks up Bill Pearl's arse :o
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One of the divorces was because his wife caught him and his pal Moosejay taking turns to stick their cocks up Bill Pearl's arse :o
Is this true? ...or are you simply looking to embarass and humiliate him publicly? ???
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I'm talking about pushing "Johnny has two mommies" to 5 year olds.
But we can still push the silly idea the earth is 4000 years old, that humans and dinosaurs coexisted together, that a LIBERAL JEW came upon the earth only to become a dead zombie that small minded people worshipped and thought was really special despite the fact he didn't do anything else that someone else had done too.
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But we can still push the silly idea the earth is 4000 years old, that humans and dinosaurs coexisted together, that a LIBERAL JEW came upon the earth only to become a dead zombie that small minded people worshipped and thought was really special despite the fact he didn't do anything else that someone else had done too.
best post I'v read in a long time
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Is this true? ...or are you simply looking to embarass and humiliate him publicly? ???
bump for an answer.
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My ex wife was adopted and has two mommies. She is one of the greatest women I ever met. Careers made us spend too much time apart. She is a MSgt in the Air Force.
Some damn good reasons for gay marriage