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ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico (CNN) -- With 10 days until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense, they are spilling out in public, sources say.
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks at a rally in Sioux City, Iowa, on Saturday.
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks at a rally in Sioux City, Iowa, on Saturday.
Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."
A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.
McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.
A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.
"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.
"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."
A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is "not good at process questions" and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions.
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But this Palin source acknowledged that Palin is trying to take more control of her message, pointing to last week's impromptu news conference on a Colorado tarmac.
Tracey Schmitt, Palin's press secretary, was urgently called over after Palin wandered over to the press and started talking. Schmitt tried several times to end the unscheduled session.
"We acknowledge that perhaps she should have been out there doing more," a different Palin adviser recently said, arguing that "it's not fair to judge her off one or two sound bites" from the network interviews.
The Politico reported Saturday on Palin's frustration, specifically with McCain advisers Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt. They helped decide to limit Palin's initial press contact to high-profile interviews with Charlie Gibson of ABC and Katie Couric of CBS, which all McCain sources admit were highly damaging.
In response, Wallace e-mailed CNN the same quote she gave the Politico: "If people want to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most honorable thing to do is to lie there."
But two sources, one Palin associate and one McCain adviser, defended the decision to keep her press interaction limited after she was picked, both saying flatly that she was not ready and that the missteps could have been a lot worse.
They insisted that she needed time to be briefed on national and international issues and on McCain's record.
"Her lack of fundamental understanding of some key issues was dramatic," said another McCain source with direct knowledge of the process to prepare Palin after she was picked. The source said it was probably the "hardest" to get her "up to speed than any candidate in history."
Schmitt came to the back of the plane Saturday to deliver a statement to traveling reporters: "Unnamed sources with their own agenda will say what they want, but from Gov. Palin down, we have one agenda, and that's to win on Election Day."
Yet another senior McCain adviser lamented the public recriminations.
"This is what happens with a campaign that's behind; it brings out the worst in people, finger-pointing and scapegoating," this senior adviser said.
This adviser also decried the double standard, noting that Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, has gone off the reservation as well, most recently by telling donors at a fundraiser that America's enemies will try to "test" Obama.
Tensions like those within the McCain-Palin campaign are not unusual; vice presidential candidates also have a history of butting heads with the top of the ticket.
John Edwards and his inner circle repeatedly questioned Sen. John Kerry's strategy in 2004, and Kerry loyalists repeatedly aired in public their view that Edwards would not play the traditional attack dog role with relish because he wanted to protect his future political interests.
Even in a winning campaign like Bill Clinton's, some of Al Gore's aides in 1992 and again in 1996 questioned how Gore was being scheduled for campaign events.
Jack Kemp's aides distrusted the Bob Dole camp and vice versa, and Dan Quayle loyalists had a list of gripes remarkably similar to those now being aired by Gov. Palin's aides.
With the presidential race in its final days and polls suggesting that McCain's chances of pulling out a win are growing slim, Palin may be looking after her own future.
"She's no longer playing for 2008; she's playing 2012," Democratic pollster Peter Hart said. "And the difficulty is, when she went on 'Saturday Night Live,' she became a reinforcement of her caricature. She never allowed herself to be vetted, and at the end of the day, voters turned against her both in terms of qualifications and personally."
Looks like the Mavericks have been put out to pasture.
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I just read this somewhere else... It's hilarious... Basically, according to McCain aides... She knows they can't win, so she's putting herself out there to lead the party and come back in 2012 as the Presidential nomination.
Hahaha!
Awesome... This is who the Republicans are putting their faith in?
I would be fearful.
How about we overturn a constitutional amendment or two and let Bill Clinton and Arnold Schwarzenegger run in 2012 and see how that goes.
Hmm?
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"She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.
But two sources, one Palin associate and one McCain adviser, defended the decision to keep her press interaction limited after she was picked, both saying flatly that she was not ready and that the missteps could have been a lot worse.
You don't say? Duh!!!!
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Sarah Palin is making Dan Quayle look like Einstein day by day.
I wonder how she spells 'potatoe?"
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some of the quotes in that article were hilarious. haha
does this little tart seriously think she will be 'leading the party' in 2012?? ahahahahaha she will be selling frosties at wendys in 2012
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I just read this somewhere else... It's hilarious... Basically, according to McCain aides... She knows they can't win, so she's putting herself out there to lead the party and come back in 2012 as the Presidential nomination.
Hahaha!
Awesome... This is who the Republicans are putting their faith in?
I would be fearful.
How about we overturn a constitutional amendment or two and let Bill Clinton and Arnold Schwarzenegger run in 2012 and see how that goes.
Hmm?
Good for her. She wants to win, McCain still is not firing all the shots in the gun. She knows the deal and wants to fight. McCain wont even bring up Rev. Wright or Odinga.
Palin should go postal and tell her aides to screw off.
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some of the quotes in that article were hilarious. haha
does this little tart seriously think she will be 'leading the party' in 2012?? ahahahahaha she will be selling frosties at wendys in 2012
When you:
Get elected councilperson
Get elected mayor
Get elected governor
Become president of an energy commission and negotiate a pipeline to deliver oil
Run a small business
THAN COME TALK. UNTIL THEN, STFU.
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When you:
Get elected councilperson
Get elected mayor
Get elected governor
Become president of an energy commission and negotiate a pipeline to deliver oil
Run a small business
THAN COME TALK. UNTIL THEN, STFU.
You admire Palin, 33338765309? :-\
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You admire Palin, 33338765309? :-\
Damn right I do. The founders of this country envisioned citizens leaving their lives to go to washington to serve their time, and then go home. They knew that average people had and have far more common sense than professional hack politicans like Obama, Biden, McCain, et al.
I am an attorney myself and think there are far too many attorneys in congress and the senate already. Liberal lawyers like Obama and Biden have no clue about economics, business, military, etc.
Palin is far far from perfect, but can you seriously say that someone who was elected as mayor, governor, president of an energy commission, took on corruption in her state, is less qualified than someone who was a state senator, got elected to US Senate and then delcared candidacy for president after 143 days???
Sure ZERO gives great speeches, but lets look at the history BEFORE he ran. He has never done a damn thing about anytrhing in his life.
I like Palin because she is gutsy, has wide variety of experience in many different areas, and does not come from a DC background.
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Damn right I do.
Ok, thanks.
Enjoy watching her future political career flourish on the national stage. No doubt she has displayed great intellectual depth and has all the makings of a future stateswoman.
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the only thing I can find about Palin that I like is the fact that she vigorously supported a windfall profit tax on oil companies with the proceeds redistributed to every citizen in the state
I'd like to hear her talk more about this
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the only thing I can find about Palin that I like is the fact that she vigorously supported a windfall profit tax on oil companies with the proceeds redistributed to every citizen in the state
I'd like to hear her talk more about this
Isn't that redistribution of wealth?
So she's a socialist now?
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Damn right I do. The founders of this country envisioned citizens leaving their lives to go to washington to serve their time, and then go home. They knew that average people had and have far more common sense than professional hack politicans like Obama, Biden, McCain, et al.
I am an attorney myself and think there are far too many attorneys in congress and the senate already. Liberal lawyers like Obama and Biden have no clue about economics, business, military, etc.
Palin is far far from perfect, but can you seriously say that someone who was elected as mayor, governor, president of an energy commission, took on corruption in her state, is less qualified than someone who was a state senator, got elected to US Senate and then delcared candidacy for president after 143 days???
Sure ZERO gives great speeches, but lets look at the history BEFORE he ran. He has never done a damn thing about anytrhing in his life.
I like Palin because she is gutsy, has wide variety of experience in many different areas, and does not come from a DC background.
Well said. My sentiments too.
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it's hard to find someone more ignorant than palin,untill you look at her supporters.
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When you:
Get elected councilperson
Get elected mayor
Get elected governor
Become president of an energy commission and negotiate a pipeline to deliver oil
Run a small business
THAN COME TALK. UNTIL THEN, STFU.
when you attend Columbia university,
then Harvard Law,
then become president of harvard law review,
then get elected to the US senate in a major state that i relevent and actually has population,
then win a grueling presidential primary race,
when your name is fucking BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND YOUR BLACK,
THEN COME TALK. UNTIL THEN, STFU.
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when you attend Columbia university,
then Harvard Law,
then become president of harvard law review,
then get elected to the US senate in a major state that i relevent and actually has population,
then win a grueling presidential primary race,
when your name is fucking BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND YOUR BLACK,
THEN COME TALK. UNTIL THEN, STFU.
This 333386 guy doesn't even know the difference between "THAN" and "THEN"
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Palin is not ignorant. I'm sick of the over the top Palin insults. She just isn't prepared enough for federal and international politics. There's a big difference between stupidity and not being prepared. She is obviously a very capable gov. Their dialect and manner of speaking is different in Alaska.
I noticed many people on the left love to hate. Whats up with this?
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when you attend Columbia university, - REFUSES TO RELEASE RECORDS
then Harvard Law - REFUSES TO RELEASE RECORDS
then become president of harvard law review, - ONLY PERSON NEVER TO WRITE AN ARTICLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE LAW REVIEW
then get elected to the US senate in a major state that i relevent and actually has population, - AGAINST ALAN KEYES!!!!!
then win a grueling presidential primary race, - WOW. THAT HUGE!!!!!!!!!!
when your name is fucking BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND YOUR BLACK, - THE MEDIA HAS GONE SOFT ON HIM AND WENT HARD AFTER HILLARY.
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This 333386 guy doesn't even know the difference between "THAN" and "THEN"
Go take a grammar class you fool.
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Go take a grammar class you fool.
AND YOUR BLACK,
it scares me that race is a top issue to some people in this day and age. You have two candidates - one of them wants to use diplomacy and defense spending cuts to save our asses. The other wants to continue the same cowboy diplomacy and corporate socialism* that Bush used to get us into this mess.
And all you are about is that one has more pigment than you. Honestly, given the option, you'd check "Adolf hitler" over "Martin Luther King", wouldn't you?
It makes me want to spit when I realize there are still Americans out there so ignorant and shortsighted.
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it scares me that race is a top issue to some people in this day and age. You have two candidates - one of them wants to use diplomacy and defense spending cuts to save our asses. The other wants to continue the same cowboy diplomacy and corporate socialism* that Bush used to get us into this mess.
And all you are about is that one has more pigment than you. Honestly, given the option, you'd check "Adolf hitler" over "Martin Luther King", wouldn't you?
It makes me want to spit when I realize there are still Americans out there so ignorant and shortsighted.
Obama has never even negoitated a contract in his lfe. What makes you think he is going to be able to negotiate naitional, international, military, and other issues with people who hate us?
Say what you want about GWB, we have not been hit since 9/11. No one would ever have thought that possible after 9/11.
GWB screwed up a lot of things, but national security ias not one of them.
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240, they both discussed defense spending cuts.
I do favor more diplomacy though, thats important. We cannot police the world and certainly cannot afford another war unless we are under imminent danger (not the case with Iraq)
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I noticed many people on the left love to hate. Whats up with this?
What have you noticed about the right, young Jedi?
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Go take a grammar class you fool.
Than
Than is a conjunction used in comparisons:
Tom is smarter than Bill.
This is more important than you might think.
Is she taller than you?
Yes, she is taller than I.
Technically, you should use the subject pronoun after than (e.g., I), as opposed to the object pronoun (me). However, English speakers commonly use the object pronoun.
Then
Then has numerous meanings.
1. At that point in time
I wasn't ready then.
Will you be home at noon? I'll call you then.
2. Next, afterward
I went to the store, and then to the bank
Do your homework and then go to bed
3. In addition, also, on top of that
He told me he was leaving, and then that I owed him money
It cost $5,000, and then there's tax too
4. In that case, therefore (often with "if")
If you want to go, then you'll have to finish your homework.
I'm hungry!
Then you should eat.
You used it as a time reference... You should have use "then".
So why don't YOU go take a grammar class...
If you think you used it properly, then you're simply wrong and uneducated. Of course, the ignorant often do not realize they are ignorant.
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Had bush been up on national security and had taken 5 mins to read a report titled Terrorists Plan On Attacking America With Airplanes, we wouldn't have had a 9-11 in the first place.
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Had bush been up on national security and had taken 5 mins to read a report titled Terrorists Plan On Attacking America With Airplanes, we wouldn't have had a 9-11 in the first place.
Yeah, keep dreaming. Did you read the 9/11 report?????
These terrorists were illegal aliens and given drivers licenses due to ridiculous immigration laws and laws in our system. They should not have been here in the first place.
9/11 was planned as of 1995 you fool.
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Yeah, keep dreaming. Did you read the 9/11 report?????
These terrorists were illegal aliens and given drivers licenses due to ridiculous immigration laws and laws in our system. They should not have been here in the first place.
9/11 was planned as of 1995 you fool.
It was, and to blame either administration for it happening is ridiculous really.
There was nothing anyone could have done to prevent it... If you want to be angry, then ask yourself why NEITHER party is standing up and trying to stop illegal immigration.
Make LEGAL immigration a bit easier and less time consuming... require them to learn English... and if they don't make it... kick them out.
It's no ones fault (as far as republicans or dems) but the response to it has squarely rested on the shoulders of the Republican party and more directly, George W. Bush.
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It was, and to blame either administration for it happening is ridiculous really.
There was nothing anyone could have done to prevent it... If you want to be angry, then ask yourself why NEITHER party is standing up and trying to stop illegal immigration.
Make LEGAL immigration a bit easier and less time consuming... require them to learn English... and if they don't make it... kick them out.
It's no ones fault (as far as republicans or dems) but the response to it has squarely rested on the shoulders of the Republican party and more directly, George W. Bush.
I would not throw every illegal out immediately.
1. they get arrested - DEPORTED
2. GO to the emergency room for treatment - DEPORTED
3. Go to the welfare office - DEPORTED
4. Go to sign up their kiod for public school - DEPORTED
5. I would also arrest any person hiring illegal alien workers and make them pay a fine.
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I would not throw every illegal out immediately.
1. they get arrested - DEPORTED
2. GO to the emergency room for treatment - DEPORTED
3. Go to the welfare office - DEPORTED
4. Go to sign up their kiod for public school - DEPORTED
5. I would also arrest any person hiring illegal alien workers and make them pay a fine.
I can agree with the premise, but wouldn't the deportation costs get out of control?
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I can agree with the premise, but wouldn't the deportation costs get out of control?
Most will self-deport.
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Yeah, keep dreaming. Did you read the 9/11 report?????
These terrorists were illegal aliens and given drivers licenses due to ridiculous immigration laws and laws in our system. They should not have been here in the first place.
9/11 was planned as of 1995 you fool.
you believe the 9/11 report?.
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Palin is not ignorant. I'm sick of the over the top Palin insults. She just isn't prepared enough for federal and international politics. There's a big difference between stupidity and not being prepared. She is obviously a very capable gov. Their dialect and manner of speaking is different in Alaska.
I noticed many people on the left love to hate. Whats up with this?
Palin's not ignorant? she couldn't name a single supream court ruling other than Roe vs. Wade.not one...Hell I learned that shit in high school.
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Yeah, keep dreaming. Did you read the 9/11 report?????
These terrorists were illegal aliens and given drivers licenses due to ridiculous immigration laws and laws in our system. They should not have been here in the first place.
9/11 was planned as of 1995 you fool.
Actually, the immigration laws worked just fine. They were denied visas to even enter the USA,
...but someone very high up in the State Dept, read someone the riot act and demanded they be allowed entry.
This had nothing to do with the laws in your system. It had to do with all the spooks in it.
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Palin's not ignorant? she couldn't name a single supream court ruling other than Roe vs. Wade.not one...Hell I learned that shit in high school.
The question was name two you "disagree" with. It was not her finest moment, but probably 99% of the population can't answer that question.
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Yeah, keep dreaming. Did you read the 9/11 report?????
These terrorists were illegal aliens and given drivers licenses due to ridiculous immigration laws and laws in our system. They should not have been here in the first place.
9/11 was planned as of 1995 you fool.
You fool several of the "terrorists" are still alive... 1 guy imparticular lost his passport in Colorado while studying here and his passport ended up at ground zero... do your research...
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The question was name two you "disagree" with. It was not her finest moment, but probably 99% of the population can't answer that question.
She's supposed to be better than 99% of the population though right?
She is running for the 2nd highest office in the land, she is "supposed" to be exceptional, not average... She is average.
Maybe below average.
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President Jake would have the strictest immigration policy Americans (natural born) could live with.
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She's supposed to be better than 99% of the population though right?
She is running for the 2nd highest office in the land, she is "supposed" to be exceptional, not average... She is average.
Maybe below average.
In the area of Supreme Court decisions, yes I agree with you.
However, she has far more experience than ZERO in other areas where he is far less than average.
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In the area of Supreme Court decisions, yes I agree with you.
However, she has far more experience than ZERO in other areas where he is far less than average.
Are you really that concerned about what's going on in someone else's uterus?
If so, why is it any of your business?
I'm legitimately curious and not making fun.
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Damn right I do. The founders of this country envisioned citizens leaving their lives to go to washington to serve their time, and then go home. They knew that average people had and have far more common sense than professional hack politicans like Obama, Biden, McCain, et al.
I am an attorney myself and think there are far too many attorneys in congress and the senate already. Liberal lawyers like Obama and Biden have no clue about economics, business, military, etc.
Palin is far far from perfect, but can you seriously say that someone who was elected as mayor, governor, president of an energy commission, took on corruption in her state, is less qualified than someone who was a state senator, got elected to US Senate and then delcared candidacy for president after 143 days???
Sure ZERO gives great speeches, but lets look at the history BEFORE he ran. He has never done a damn thing about anytrhing in his life.
I like Palin because she is gutsy, has wide variety of experience in many different areas, and does not come from a DC background.
u=sheep
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u=sheep
Slow your roll and give the man a chance to explain, Mal. He might have gone to Yale and not like Harvard people. :)
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Are you really that concerned about what's going on in someone else's uterus?
If so, why is it any of your business?
I'm legitimately curious and not making fun.
I am talking about executive experience doing things. She has it, he does not.
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In the area of Supreme Court decisions, yes I agree with you.
However, she has far more experience than ZERO in other areas where he is far less than average.
And in many other areas your arch nemesis Obama is far FAR more exceptional than she is... On intelligence and education alone he crushes her.
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Slow your roll and give the man a chance to explain, Mal. He might have gone to Yale and not like Harvard people. :)
Oh that's right. i am a sheeple because I dont drink the kool aide of the false messiah and his cult followers like yourself.
ZERO, has Biden and Hillary said in the pirmary has ZERO experience doing anything. Even Biden said it during the primary.
BTW - I have a law degree, two businesses I own myself, and answer to no one.
Sheeple are the cult followers of the welfare king Obama looking for a handout and free ride.
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Oh that's right. i am a sheeple because I dont drink the kool aide of the false messiah and his cult followers like yourself.
ZERO, has Biden and Hillary said in the pirmary has ZERO experience doing anything. Even Biden said it during the primary.
BTW - I have a law degree, two businesses I own myself, and answer to no one.
Sheeple are the cult followers of the welfare king Obama looking for a handout and free ride.
who said anything about a Messiah?except the far right..
cult huh...most people I know that support him are athiest.
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who said anything about a Messiah?except the far right..
cult huh...most people I know that support him are athiest.
Farahkan said he is the messiah.
Spike Lee said he is ordained
Go on Youtube and check out the others.
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Farahkan said he is the messiah.
Spike Lee said he is ordained
Go on Youtube and check out the others.
yea ok...and when was the last time you took anything those two said seriously.give me a break.
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yea ok...and when was the last time you took anything those two said seriously.give me a break.
when its something that he can use against obama...
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when its something that he can use against obama...
Farakhan and Obama are fellow travelers.
Obama and Rev. Wright are fellow travelers.
Obama and Ayeres and his wife Bernadine Dohrn are fellow travelers.
Obama and his cousin Raila Odinga are fellow travelers.
Got the picture????
Obama is a radical marxist.
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Farakhan and Obama are fellow travelers.
Obama and Rev. Wright are fellow travelers.
Obama and Ayeres and his wife Bernadine Dohrn are fellow travelers.
Obama and his cousin Raila Odinga are fellow travelers.
Got the picture????
Obama is a radical marxist.
If it was that bad...how did he get past primaries..
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Yeah, keep dreaming. Did you read the 9/11 report?????
These terrorists were illegal aliens and given drivers licenses due to ridiculous immigration laws and laws in our system. They should not have been here in the first place.
9/11 was planned as of 1995 you fool.
And despite all that, Condi still was given a report concerning Terrorists To Attack Inside U.S. to brief Bush with.
And he failed to even look at it.
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On August 6, 2001, Bush was Given a Security Briefing Entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In U.S." Yet, Come September 11th, He Ended Up in a Second-Grader's Chair, Having Failed to Protect the Nation, as America Was Under Attack.
On page 375 of the St. Martin's Press paperback edition of the "9/11 Report" by the "National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" is a security briefing paper presented to Bush and Condi Rice on August 6, 2001, that was entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In U.S."
The report indicated that "FBI information ...indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks."
Then why, on the morning of September 11th, did George W. Bush sit in a Florida elementary school classroom for five minutes after being informed of a second plane being flowing into the twin towers -- and mingle with the class and teachers for ANOTHER five minutes before he left the room? Why did he not ask Andrew Card one single question about the attack underway when Card whispered in his ear (since Bush already knew about the first plane crashing into one of the twin towers when he entered the classroom)? Why did he not recall the August briefing that warned of such an attack, or did he? And he just didn't know what to do because he had failed to take action to prevent the hijackings the memo had warned about?
The Commission concluded that no other senior administration security meetings were held "to discuss the possible threat of a strike in the United States as a result of this [August] report."
Condi Rice had the audacity, early on, to acknowledge that they knew hijackings might occur, but not hijackings into buildings, she claimed. Of course, she was lying. There was ample warning that Al Qaeda had been considering hijackings into buildings for years, including anti-missile defenses set up at a Genoa, Italy, conference Bush attended in the summer of 2001 to guard against just such an attack.
But apparently, it was also too complex a notion for Bush and Rice to comprehend, because they took no significant efforts to prevent hijackings in the United States before or after the August, 2001, security alert, and, as a result, 9/11 happened.
So, as George W. Bush sat helplessly, cluelessly in the Booker School second grader's chair -- a puppet waiting for someone to hand him a script -- he had let the nation down by not making the prevention of hijackings by Al Qaeda operatives in the United States a priority of any sort.
The tragic fact for our national security is that he did nothing at all to prevent the eventuality of 9/11, even though he had been warned about it in August. What he did was go on a month's vacation to his photo-op ranch in Texas -- and after the vacation, he went to a photo-op at the Booker Elementary School in Florida. Here his handlers would put him in a classroom full of young black kids learning how to read: a picture perfect television and photographic image to convey a man who cares about minorities and education. It was what is known as a political two-fer.
But the tragedy, that Bush did nothing to prevent, occurred in the middle of his photo-op. And since Bush is rendered inoperable without a script, he sat there with the elementary school students, in a kid's chair, as if he was back in second grade, as unable to respond to the crisis at hand as the rest of the children in the classroom.
Like a second-grader, Bush waited for someone to tell him that class was dismissed.
Here is the video of the time Bush spent sitting in a second-grade student's chair after he learned that the second plane had flown into the World Trade Center. After the video ends, he spent more time in the room mingling with the students and teachers, before being summoned by his handlers and handed the "brave words of defiance" that he would read to the same school children he claimed that he did not want to scare.
He had the ultimate three-fer photo-op: reading an act of war to black school children.
Education, compassion, and total failure to protect the security of Americans.
He had taken the test and flunked the course of protecting the nation from attack, but he had quite a photo-op, didn't he.
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And despite all that, Condi still was given a report concerning Terrorists To Attack Inside U.S. to brief Bush with.
And he failed to even look at it.
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On August 6, 2001, Bush was Given a Security Briefing Entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In U.S." Yet, Come September 11th, He Ended Up in a Second-Grader's Chair, Having Failed to Protect the Nation, as America Was Under Attack.
On page 375 of the St. Martin's Press paperback edition of the "9/11 Report" by the "National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" is a security briefing paper presented to Bush and Condi Rice on August 6, 2001, that was entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In U.S."
The report indicated that "FBI information ...indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks."
Then why, on the morning of September 11th, did George W. Bush sit in a Florida elementary school classroom for five minutes after being informed of a second plane being flowing into the twin towers -- and mingle with the class and teachers for ANOTHER five minutes before he left the room? Why did he not ask Andrew Card one single question about the attack underway when Card whispered in his ear (since Bush already knew about the first plane crashing into one of the twin towers when he entered the classroom)? Why did he not recall the August briefing that warned of such an attack, or did he? And he just didn't know what to do because he had failed to take action to prevent the hijackings the memo had warned about?
The Commission concluded that no other senior administration security meetings were held "to discuss the possible threat of a strike in the United States as a result of this [August] report."
Condi Rice had the audacity, early on, to acknowledge that they knew hijackings might occur, but not hijackings into buildings, she claimed. Of course, she was lying. There was ample warning that Al Qaeda had been considering hijackings into buildings for years, including anti-missile defenses set up at a Genoa, Italy, conference Bush attended in the summer of 2001 to guard against just such an attack.
But apparently, it was also too complex a notion for Bush and Rice to comprehend, because they took no significant efforts to prevent hijackings in the United States before or after the August, 2001, security alert, and, as a result, 9/11 happened.
So, as George W. Bush sat helplessly, cluelessly in the Booker School second grader's chair -- a puppet waiting for someone to hand him a script -- he had let the nation down by not making the prevention of hijackings by Al Qaeda operatives in the United States a priority of any sort.
The tragic fact for our national security is that he did nothing at all to prevent the eventuality of 9/11, even though he had been warned about it in August. What he did was go on a month's vacation to his photo-op ranch in Texas -- and after the vacation, he went to a photo-op at the Booker Elementary School in Florida. Here his handlers would put him in a classroom full of young black kids learning how to read: a picture perfect television and photographic image to convey a man who cares about minorities and education. It was what is known as a political two-fer.
But the tragedy, that Bush did nothing to prevent, occurred in the middle of his photo-op. And since Bush is rendered inoperable without a script, he sat there with the elementary school students, in a kid's chair, as if he was back in second grade, as unable to respond to the crisis at hand as the rest of the children in the classroom.
Like a second-grader, Bush waited for someone to tell him that class was dismissed.
Here is the video of the time Bush spent sitting in a second-grade student's chair after he learned that the second plane had flown into the World Trade Center. After the video ends, he spent more time in the room mingling with the students and teachers, before being summoned by his handlers and handed the "brave words of defiance" that he would read to the same school children he claimed that he did not want to scare.
He had the ultimate three-fer photo-op: reading an act of war to black school children.
Education, compassion, and total failure to protect the security of Americans.
He had taken the test and flunked the course of protecting the nation from attack, but he had quite a photo-op, didn't he.
You people are disgusting. Do you really think Bush wanted a photo-op and thus knew and let 9/11 happen?
If you read the 9/11 report, Clinton himself was given may warnings and did nothing either, especially after the 1993 bombing.
Bush has screwed up royally on a lot of things, but these insane conspiracy theories are just unreal and childish.
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If you read the 9/11 report,
Did you know that in light of new evidence that has emerged (and some that was just plain hid from them), 5 of the 10 members of the 911 commission have now said it's a worthless document and we need a new investigation?
keane and the other co-chair Hamilton both want a 2nd investigation. Kean said there's a laundry list of things they weren't given, and therefore their conclusions aren't valid. He's very open about it.
Obama has said we need a 2nd investigation.
Joe Biden admitted for cameras that 100k was wired to Atta from the top Paki general, 3 days before 911.
Sarah Palin has admitted we need a 911 investigation. yes, even Palin has, and just this week.
Along with thousands of other military personnell, physicists, and republicans and dems alike.
So before you quote the 911 report - you have to admit that it's own authors no longer believe it is a reliable source of information. When the authors of a document tell you its bogus... well, it speaks volumes.
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Did you know that in light of new evidence that has emerged (and some that was just plain hid from them), 5 of the 10 members of the 911 commission have now said it's a worthless document and we need a new investigation?
keane and the other co-chair Hamilton both want a 2nd investigation. Kean said there's a laundry list of things they weren't given, and therefore their conclusions aren't valid. He's very open about it.
Obama has said we need a 2nd investigation.
Joe Biden admitted for cameras that 100k was wired to Atta from the top Paki general, 3 days before 911.
Sarah Palin has admitted we need a 911 investigation. yes, even Palin has, and just this week.
Along with thousands of other military personnell, physicists, and republicans and dems alike.
So before you quote the 911 report - you have to admit that it's own authors no longer believe it is a reliable source of information. When the authors of a document tell you its bogus... well, it speaks volumes.
Let me ask you a question. Seriously. I dont mean to be insulting, but the lengths at which people like yourself have gone to try to cast 9/11 as some conspiracy are just sheer lunacy.
For you to belive in this vast conspiracy you have to believe in the following:
1. GWB is the dumbest person ever, yet at the same time is some evil genius who happens to outsmart every liberal Dem at every stage.
2. Literally hundreds of people who would have to have been involved have all kept their mouthes shut for 8 years and never said a word to anyone.
3. Hundreds of Americans would be complicit in the mass murder of thousands of people without exposing this plot.
4. Of the hundreds involved, not one of the co-conspirators slipped up in carrying this out.
5. Barbara Olson is tucked away somewhere and her husband is in on this conspiracy.
6. The FAA is in on this conspiracy.
7. The people involved in this conspiracy never told their spouses or loved ones and not one ever had regrets to bring this to light or expose this.
8. The 19 hijackers' families are in on this conspiracy and they never talked.
This is just some of the nonsense you have to believe. The reality is that it was a conspiracy amongst terrorists from the ME, not George Bush.
To think otherwise is fantasy and delusion.
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you have to believe in the following:
1. GWB is the dumbest person ever,
Yeah, I do. History has proved it. Along with being a habitual liar about nearly everything he opens his mouth on.
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Let me ask you a question. Seriously. I dont mean to be insulting, but the lengths at which people like yourself have gone to try to cast 9/11 as some conspiracy are just sheer lunacy.
For you to belive in this vast conspiracy you have to believe in the following:
No. You do not.
There are people very far-out on this theory, who believed the military did something to justify a series of wars, etc.
Then, there are people who believe we had warnings, and chose inaction, because it perfectly fit the PNAC document for US growth - and ten of the PNAC authors were in the Bush Admin.
Now, you can accept it's either a crazy movie plot, or it's 100% by the official story. but most sensible people believe it's somewhere in teh middle. Bush wasn't remote controlling planes into buildings that day - but when he said 'nobody could have imagined such a thing' - that is an obvious lie too. They did a drill very similar on 9/10, conincidentally, and the Aug 5 report listed this as a potential.
You continue being a black and white guy - believing it's all nonsense, and bush is telling 100% truth. The reality is that every other single US war has been started by a 'let it happen' scenario, as nobody wants to fvck with our military might.
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Let me ask you a question. Seriously. I dont mean to be insulting, but the lengths at which people like yourself have gone to try to cast 9/11 as some conspiracy are just sheer lunacy.
For you to belive in this vast conspiracy you have to believe in the following:
1. GWB is the dumbest person ever, yet at the same time is some evil genius who happens to outsmart every liberal Dem at every stage.
2. Literally hundreds of people who would have to have been involved have all kept their mouthes shut for 8 years and never said a word to anyone.
3. Hundreds of Americans would be complicit in the mass murder of thousands of people without exposing this plot.
4. Of the hundreds involved, not one of the co-conspirators slipped up in carrying this out.
5. Barbara Olson is tucked away somewhere and her husband is in on this conspiracy.
6. The FAA is in on this conspiracy.
7. The people involved in this conspiracy never told their spouses or loved ones and not one ever had regrets to bring this to light or expose this.
8. The 19 hijackers' families are in on this conspiracy and they never talked.
This is just some of the nonsense you have to believe. The reality is that it was a conspiracy amongst terrorists from the ME, not George Bush.
To think otherwise is fantasy and delusion.
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lol. You haven't been around here very long. Don't be trying to inject common sense into this conspiracy nonsense. Your points have been raised and dismissed numerous times on the board. I don't even talk about that crap anymore. It's beyond stupid.
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lol. You haven't been around here very long. Don't be trying to inject common sense into this conspiracy nonsense. Your points have been raised and dismissed numerous times on the board. I don't even talk about that crap anymore. It's beyond stupid.
Right. Those 911 Commissioners are wrong, huh?
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Right. Those 911 Commissioners are wrong, huh?
My point is that the government is generally incompetent in everything it does, from the DMV to Katrina, to education, to everything touches.
YET - some of you want me to believe that despite all this incompetence, it can pull off the grandest of all conspiracies known to man and no one to this day has ever cracked or exposed it yet. not one person talked, not one person slipped up, not one person saw or said anything.
Its beyond all belief and reflects what some of you WANT to belive, not what happened.
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My point is that the government is generally incompetent in everything it does, from the DMV to Katrina, to education, to everything touches.
YET - some of you want me to believe that despite all this incompetence, it can pull off the grandest of all conspiracies known to man and no one to this day has ever cracked or exposed it yet. not one person talked, not one person slipped up, not one person saw or said anything.
Its beyond all belief and reflects what some of you WANT to belive, not what happened.
Somebody issued the stand-down order on 9/11.
4 planes hijacked simultaneously with no military response is not possible.
1 plane entering the most protected airspace in the world with no response is a stretch.
2 planes are beyond credible.
3 planes are an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
4 planes are pure fantasy.
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Somebody issued the stand-down order on 9/11.
4 planes hijacked simultaneously with no military response is not possible.
1 plane entering the most protected airspace in the world with no response is a stretch.
2 planes are beyond credible.
3 planes are an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
4 planes are pure fantasy.
My god you liberals are doped up on crack.
Did it ever occur to you that they did not think the terrorists were going to crash the planes but rather land them in a hostage situation as always has been done in the past?
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My god you liberals are doped up on crack.
Did it ever occur to you that they did not think the terrorists were going to crash the planes but rather land them in a hostage situation as always has been done in the past?
Yes. Hoping for the best of intentions from homicidal terrorists is standard procedure.
Not to mention, your point is entirely irrelevant.
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Yes. Hoping for the best of intentions from homicidal terrorists is standard procedure.
Not to mention, your point is entirely irrelevant.
Its only irrelevent to you because it does not fit in with your wild fantasies and conspiracy theories.
You have not one iota of proof of a conspiracy other than your delusions of conspiracies.
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Its only irrelevent to you because it does not fit in with your wild fantasies and conspiracy theories.
You have not one iota of proof of a conspiracy other than your delusions of conspiracies.
Come on man, when Stewart's plane stopped responding, a couple of jets showed up immediately.
W/ 9/11 we have 4 jets hijacked simultaneously. It's never happened before in our history.
Those planes head for the most protected airspace in the world. Still zero response.
If you want to believe that it's 1941 and the old radar just let us down like it did at Pearl Harbor that's your business.
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Come on man, when Stewart's plane stopped responding, a couple of jets showed up immediately.
W/ 9/11 we have 4 jets hijacked simultaneously. It's never happened before in our history.
Those planes head for the most protected airspace in the world. Still zero response.
If you want to believe that it's 1941 and the old radar just let us down like it did at Pearl Harbor that's your business.
Again - your lack of proof is not proof or evidence of your claims.
You need affirmative proof to be credible.
Ok - who gave the "stand down" order as you claim???? Who??? And you expect me to believe that there was no one else in the room who objected to this??? You expect me to believe that fighter pilots would not come out and bring this to light after these years?
Your wild theories are just not credible.
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Again - your lack of proof is not proof or evidence of your claims.
You need affirmative proof to be credible.
Ok - who gave the "stand down" order as you claim???? Who??? And you expect me to believe that there was no one else in the room who objected to this??? You expect me to believe that fighter pilots would not come out and bring this to light after these years?
Your wild theories are just not credible.
If life were as easy as you seem to think, I'd have an answer.
Let me rephrase: With today's current military armament and NORAD technology it is IMPOSSIBLE for the hijackings to occur unchallenged.
But for an order of STAND DOWN, this could not have happened the way it did.
Who gave the order? I don't know. Someone did.
Or do you still believe that the gosh darn phone lines got all crossed up on 9/11.
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Again - your lack of proof is not proof or evidence of your claims.
You need affirmative proof to be credible.
Ok - who gave the "stand down" order as you claim???? Who??? And you expect me to believe that there was no one else in the room who objected to this??? You expect me to believe that fighter pilots would not come out and bring this to light after these years?
Your wild theories are just not credible.
how did world trade center 7 fall?
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If life were as easy as you seem to think, I'd have an answer.
Let me rephrase: With today's current military armament and NORAD technology it is IMPOSSIBLE for the hijackings to occur unchallenged.
But for an order of STAND DOWN, this could not have happened the way it did.
Who gave the order? I don't know. Someone did.
Or do you still believe that the gosh darn phone lines got all crossed up on 9/11.
I believe the govt is basically incompetent and probably was lieka chicken without a head that day. From begnning to end in this was not that long.
I am far more prone to believe that incompetence was the main factor, not some evil conspiracy.
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Getting back to CNN's article:
CNN Slants the News on Palin, Sources Say
Posted By Claudia Rosett
pajamasmedia.com (http://pajamasmedia.com)
By the time this interminable presidential campaign is over, we may all have our favorite examples of MSM gone wild –whether by way of blatant bias; unfounded allegations; intense scrutiny of one candidate while giving a free pass to the other (fill in the names as you like); etc.
But for a prize specimen of hazily sourced trashing of Sarah Palin in particular, I am marveling right now at an article from the CNN web site, which — a joint labor of not one, not two, but three CNN reporters – has been getting enough attention to have popped up this evening on the main screen of google news.
The headline is “[1] Palin’s ‘going rogue.’ McCain aide says.” Well hey, that sounds juicy.
But who is the “McCain aide” who is saying this? It turns out the aide quoted in the headline is never named. The article begins with the sweeping statement that with the election imminent, “long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense they are spilling out in public” – but according to whom? Well, apparently it’s not so public that anyone doing the spilling is willing to be named. So CNN wraps up that bold intro with: “Sources say.”
The next paragraph mentions “Several McCain advisers” — unnamed — “who have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide” — unnamed — “described as Palin ‘going rogue.’ ”
So the quote in the headline is from an unnamed source who is one of several unnamed advisers, rounding out a picture attributed to unnamed sources (plural).
It gets better. Briefly, there is “A Palin associate” — unnamed — offering a defense of Palin. Then the criticisms resume, with the article citing: “McCain sources” — unnnamed — “A Second McCain source” — unnnamed (and not clear if this second source is one of the previous plural McCain sources, or an independently consulted unnamed source). That ”second McCain source” is quoted for two full paragraphs, taking nasty swipes at Palin, but the source remains anonymous.
Then we get “A Palin associate” — unnnamed, and unclear if this is a second Palin associate, or the same one unnamed above — who is described as defending her, but the quote given to illustrate this defense is actually a criticism, describing Palin, as “not good at process questions” (according to this unnamed “associate,” who is further referred to only as “this Palin source”).
Then, at last, in connection with what is described as a defense of Palin, we do get a name — an actual name – that of Palin’s press secretary, Tracey Schmitt, who is also described here as having tried urgently to end an unscheduled session Palin had with the press. But there is no attribution for this information, and the only quote from Schmitt herself, which comes lower in the article is a statement she gave to traveling reporters that: “Unnamed sources with their own agenda will say what they want, but from Gov. Palin down, we have one agenda, and that’s to win on election day.”
After the mention of Schmitt, it’s back to the unnamed sources, this time by way of “a different Palin adviser” — unnnamed — who is quoted delivering yet more backhanded criticism of Palin (”We acknowledge that she should have been out there doing more,” etc).
Then a reference to a story on Politico, which mentioned by name two McCain advisers, Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt, as having decided to limit Palin’s initial press contact to Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric, “which all McCain sources admit were highly damaging” — note, the “all McCain sources” here are all unnnamed.
CNN did get an email response on the record from one McCain source, Nicolle Wallace, “If people want to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most honorable thing is to lie there.”
Then it’s back to “But two sources, one Palin associate and one McCain adviser” –both unnamed — “defended the decision to keep her press interaction limited… both saying that she was not ready and that the missteps could have been a lot worse.”
From there it’s on to “another McCain source with direct knowledge of the process…” — unnnamed. From this source, identified on second reference as “The source” — still unnnamed — comes another quote that takes a swipe at Palin.
There follows a brief account that “Yet another senior McCain adviser lamented the public recriminations.” And “this adviser” — who is, guess what? also unnamed — is then quoted as talking about “finger-pointing and scapegoating” in the campaign.
Finally, near the bottom of the article, we are handed the highly relevant information (but putting it higher in the story would have deflated the entire story) — that squabbles among aides are pretty normal: “Tensions like those within the McCain-Palin campaign are not unusual; vice-presidential candidates also have a history of butting heads with the top of the ticket.” (Then comes the lone paragraph mentioning that Joe Biden “has gone off the reservation as well” — though in this case there are apparently no sources, anonymous or otherwise, worth quoting to illustrate dissent in the Biden-Obama ranks).
But this comes only after about 20 paragraphs in which the slamming of Palin is done by ”sources” who cannot be challenged or further questioned, because they are anonymous. The article ends with some lines from a Democratic pollster, who — imagine this! — is quoted by name, Peter Hart, delivering one last swipe at Palin.
There are circumstances in which journalists may reasonably cite or even quote unnamed sources. And if campaign reporters are privy to squabbles among aides, that may well be an interesting story. But when a story amounts to a litany of swipes framed as quotes from nameless “sources,” there comes a point at which a line is crossed between news and rumor, between reporting and hype, between anonymous in-house gossip and “spilling out in public.” Is it Palin who’s going rogue here? Or CNN?
Article printed from The Rosett Report: http://pajamasmedia.com/claudiarosett
URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/claudiarosett/cnn-slants-the-news-on-palin-sources-say/
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[1] Palin’s ‘going rogue.’ McCain aide says: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/
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how did world trade center 7 fall?
Again, to believe this malarchy, you have to believe that literally hundreds of people were involved in this, demolition teams, engineers, and no one ever said word.
To set up a controlled demo like this takes a long time to plan, set up, execute, and you want me to believe that no one, the superitendants, the maintenance people, no one saw this happening????
To believe your theories, you have to believe a lot of other things that just make your theory credible.
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Again, to believe this malarchy, you have to believe that literally hundreds of people were involved in this, demolition teams, engineers, and no one ever said word.
To set up a controlled demo like this takes a long time to plan, set up, execute, and you want me to believe that no one, the superitendants, the maintenance people, no one saw this happening????
To believe your theories, you have to believe a lot of other things that just make your theory credible.
I can see by your quick response time you don't bother to even look at these video's.Because they don't agree with your theories.
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I can see by your quick response time you don't bother to even look at these video's.Because they don't agree with your theories.
I did watch the video. It still does not adress the questions and facts I brought up which make your conspiracy theory not credible.
The simple fact is that to pull something like this off takes a lot of people. People are not good at hiding things and keeping things secret.
People talk and if this were a conspiracy involving hundreds of people, the simple fact is that someone would have talked or slipped up.
The size and scope of a conspiracy of the one you want me to believe is just not credible without affirmative evidence. Simple asking questions like in the video is not proof in of itself.
Plus, Popular Mechanic's already debunked the 9/11 conspiracy theories.
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Plus, Popular Mechanic's already debunked the 9/11 conspiracy theories.
Juggs layed out the case for federal law mandating that jets are scrambled when pilots become unresponsive.
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so you believe the 9/11 report is accurate?
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Juggs layed out the case for federal law mandating that jets are scrambled when pilots become unresponsive.
Ok - so who ordered them to stand down? Bush??? He was with people all morning? Tell me, who ordered this? Who would have had authority to do this and you want me to believe that that person was alone and others were not around???
If you cant give me evidence of this, than STFU.
Your conspiracies are foolish.
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so you believe the 9/11 report is accurate?
I watched your videos. Again, do you realize that to believe this guy would take literally hundreds of co-conspirators?????
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Ok - so who ordered them to stand down? Bush??? He was with people all morning? Tell me, who ordered this? Who would have had authority to do this and you want me to believe that that person was alone and others were not around???
If you cant give me evidence of this, than STFU.
Your conspiracies are foolish.
I doubt Bush took the initiative. He was just a figurehead.
Here's your answer: Somebody ordered a stand down. Or maybe call it stalling the people that scrambled the jets.
How do I know? B/c it is an impossibility for 4 planes to be hijacked by terrorists simultaneously without drawing attention to themselves.
For some reason, you say incompetence, the hijacked jets were allowed to reach their destinations. I say you are hopelessly naive with your explanation.
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I doubt Bush took the initiative. He was just a figurehead.
Here's your answer: Somebody ordered a stand down. Or maybe call it stalling the people that scrambled the jets.
How do I know? B/c it is an impossibility for 4 planes to be hijacked by terrorists simultaneously without drawing attention to themselves.
For some reason, you say incompetence, the hijacked jets were allowed to reach their destinations. I say you are hopelessly naive with your explanation.
This plan was 6 years in the making and anyone can get flight schedules off the internet. These terrorists planned this thing for years.
Again, who allowed the jets to reach their destinations?
What about the plane in shanksville?
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Palin is not ignorant. I'm sick of the over the top Palin insults. She just isn't prepared enough for federal and international politics. There's a big difference between stupidity and not being prepared. She is obviously a very capable gov. Their dialect and manner of speaking is different in Alaska.
I noticed many people on the left love to hate. Whats up with this?
It's not that hard to be governor of a state with less population than my neighborhood in Los Angeles.
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This plan was 6 years in the making and anyone can get flight schedules off the internet.
No offense, but you really don't know what youre talking about on this topic.
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No offense, but you really don't know what youre talking about on this topic.
Oh thats right. Because I dont believe the govt bombed the twin towers I dont know what Im talking about.
Please, i have looked into every crack pot theory of you obama supporters and not one holds water. You have to jump to incredible lengths to believe any of your wild fantasies and each theory defies logic and reality.
Ramzi Yousuf didnt bomb it in 1993 either right???
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Oh thats right. Because I dont believe the govt bombed the twin towers I dont know what Im talking about.
Please, i have looked into every crack pot theory of you obama supporters and not one holds water. You have to jump to incredible lengths to believe any of your wild fantasies and each theory defies logic and reality.
Ramzi Yousuf didnt bomb it in 1993 either right???
ever heard of the gulf of tonken?
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ever heard of the gulf of tonken?
More garbage. Again, give me one positive piece of evidence of a conspiracy by the govt. One.
Dont give me straw men arguments or some crack pot theory that relies on twelve other fantasies to be true.
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I don't know about the conspiracy theory or whatever, but the FACTS remain the same of what I stated. Bush/Rice were given intel and briefing materials on the situation BEFORE it occurred and Bush chose to blow it off and not make time for it.
The report clearly stated what known intentions were and Bush didn't even bother to look at it.
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More garbage. Again, give me one positive piece of evidence of a conspiracy by the govt. One.
Dont give me straw men arguments or some crack pot theory that relies on twelve other fantasies to be true.
I'll take that as a no.
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I don't know about the conspiracy theory or whatever, but the FACTS remain the same of what I stated. Bush/Rice were given intel and briefing materials on the situation BEFORE it occurred and Bush chose to blow it off and not make time for it.
The report clearly stated what known intentions were and Bush didn't even bother to look at it.
Negligence is not the same thing as conspiracy to commit murder.
No one disagrees that BUSH is incompetent, but some of the conspiracies rest on the idea that he is some evil genius of the sort.
You cant have it both ways.
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*I* never said anything about conspiracy to commit murder. Show me where I said that.
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Negligence is not the same thing as conspiracy to commit murder.
No one disagrees that BUSH is incompetent, but some of the conspiracies rest on the idea that he is some evil genius of the sort.
You cant have it both ways.
I agree... Either he's an idiot or an evil genius... I gotta believe he's an idiot.
Here's a guy who hasn't really done one thing right in office in 8 years, yet supposedly he's the world's most evil and capable genius.