yes people are making lots of money out of that crap so the illusion of monster dosages of protein should remain.
im gonna start eating more whole food meals...im sick and tired of powders!!! all i want is to drink a shake post workout and thats it! im sick of spending too much money on powders!
what kind of diff will i notice from having 3 shakes and 3 meals to 5 meals and 1 shake?
yes people are making lots of money out of that crap so the illusion of monster dosages of protein should remain.
You have confused me?GOOD ANSWER...
Nutshell version:
Increased protein intake is a good idea relative to the "normal" diet most untrained individuals follow. How much protein is needed? There are too many variables to answer that question accurately. I recommend 1-2g total protein intake (from foods, fluids, and supplements).
Think of it this way, the biggest and strongest men and women in the world almost invariably supplement with protein and feel it aids their training results.
The decision is yours. Drinking shakes in lieu of foods is fine so long as you still consume at least a few meals per day.
You have confused me?
Nutshell version:
Increased protein intake is a good idea relative to the "normal" diet most untrained individuals follow. How much protein is needed? There are too many variables to answer that question accurately. I recommend 1-2g total protein intake (from foods, fluids, and supplements).
Think of it this way, the biggest and strongest men and women in the world almost invariably supplement with protein and feel it aids their training results.
The decision is yours. Drinking shakes in lieu of foods is fine so long as you still consume at least a few meals per day.
protein powders are just a form of fast food. the only reason to take them is convenience.wrong. dont be an idiot. look up the terms 'digestion rate' and 'amino acid profile'.
Since I've given up protein powder and just used whole food, my gains have gone through the roof. I'm harder and have better energy than I ever did while taking 3 scoops of protein a day.of course they have, al you were getting was 3 scoops of rptoein powder. whats that, 60 grams of protein? now that your eating like a person who ISNT A DUMBASS, re incorporate those scoops of whey around your workout.
Kevin and Shawn didn't use protein powder before a contest. Kevin just ate 6 meals of flounder, chicken or lean beef for his protein.
I have not had a protein shake in over a year.........and have not got any smaller....and your not growing as fast as you could be either.
protein powders are just a form of fast food. the only reason to take them is convenience. regarding the sickly sweetness and fillers in most products, you can buy just plain bulk powder: http://trueprotein.com
they have some predefined mixtures, or you can come up with your own. I like Team Skip, chocolate, no sweetener.
wrong. dont be an idiot. look up the terms 'digestion rate' and 'amino acid profile'.
of course they have, al you were getting was 3 scoops of rptoein powder. whats that, 60 grams of protein? now that your eating like a person who ISNT A DUMBASS, re incorporate those scoops of whey around your workout.
and your not growing as fast as you could be either.
i agree with this...i just read (15min ago) an article by lyle mcdonald where he also basically says protein powder is just for convenience...and i have heard is one of the biggest experts in the world on nutrition.
I stopped using whey a few months back.you eat steak 4 or 5 times a week?
It was making me feel bloated, reducing my appetite for normal foods and probably contributed to some acne too.
I've added steak to my diet recently and am noticing a big difference.
I usually have 100 grams about 4 or 5 times a week coupled with a nice portion of broccoli, celery and some carrots for supper.
you eat steak 4 or 5 times a week?why aren't you 250 pounds at minimal bodyfat if you do that?
are you people retarded?
jesus christ, 2 grams per pound of body weight. protein. do it EVERYDAY.
why aren't you 250 pounds at minimal bodyfat if you do that?what does body fat have to do with protien intake? is eating more protein going to make someone lean? is eating more protein the equivelant of years and years of steroids abuse?
Lyle's opinions on matters often leave a lot to be desired...hahahhaa, i love how you clowns say "my such and such" supplement as if you invented the ingredients. ::)
Actually, in this case I somewhat agree. A shake which is only protien does have its advantages in that it is a very low calorie source of protein and it is in liquid form which means it should be more quickly absorbed.
Now, some protein products such as my MAXIMUS also have ergogens mixed in with the protein, carbs, and or fats, so they become more than just a "convenience" supplement.
Since I've given up protein powder and just used whole food, my gains have gone through the roof. I'm harder and have better energy than I ever did while taking 3 scoops of protein a day.
Kevin and Shawn didn't use protein powder before a contest. Kevin just ate 6 meals of flounder, chicken or lean beef for his protein.
what does body fat have to do with protien intake? is eating more protein going to make someone lean? is eating more protein the equivelant of years and years of steroids abuse?don't get all angry dude, just asking why you haven't achieved better results with all the lengths you go to to build muscle.
dont be a fucking jackass
The only possible reason for the results you have seen as you describe them is that you were not consuming sufficient calories in the first place. The protein shakes could in no way have hindered your results.
You're right about that; I wasn't taking in enough carbs and my energy levels weren't where they needed to be.
Like many, I was relying too much on the protein shakes and not enough on whole food. The protein shakes should have been used as a supplement, not a meal replacement. I don't have any plans on competing or bulking, so I am not going to add the protein shakes now.
I pretty much agree. I think someone like you should only consider a protein supplement that contains ergogens.and let me guess your "company" makes a product just like that, right Chris? ::)
and let me guess your "company" makes a product just like that, right Chris? ::)
We do, as do others. Thanks for asking!hahahahhaa, awfully convenient wouldn't you say? :o
you eat steak 4 or 5 times a week?
are you people retarded?
jesus christ, 2 grams per pound of body weight. protein. do it EVERYDAY.
What are "ergogens" ???bullshit fillers that don't do anything except make it cost more money.
im gonna start eating more whole food meals...im sick and tired of powders!!! all i want is to drink a shake post workout and thats it! im sick of spending too much money on powders!actually... in sheer protein weight, pound for pound powders are cheaper than whole foods...
what kind of diff will i notice from having 3 shakes and 3 meals to 5 meals and 1 shake?
bullshit fillers that don't do anything except make it cost more money.
I'm sure they got bulletproof studies!hahahah, complete with pictures of pro bodybuilders in a "lab" with "scientists" in lab coats.
hahahah, complete with pictures of pro bodybuilders in a "lab" with "scientists" in lab coats.
What are "ergogens" ???
For purposes of this discussion, something that has an anabolic effect above and beyond its nutritive value. Creatine is an example of an ergogen.
For purposes of this discussion, something that has an anabolic effect above and beyond its nutritive value. Creatine is an example of an ergogen.i dont notice any difference on and off creatine..maybe its just me...
What other ergogens are there? And how is their anabolic effect quantified?
yes i second thishe said beyond any nutritional value..
by "masons" definition perhaps there are added vitamins/antioxidants, if thats the case stick to veggies and fruit juices
i dont notice any difference on and off creatine..maybe its just me...
i've heard that there are science. studies to back it up? but it dont dont notice shit on and off..
Same here, goes for all supps for me. Creatine maybe has a small effect on some people.yeah... you mean like this maybe?
But maybe there's new stuff.
yeah... you mean like this maybe?
What other ergogens are there? And how is their anabolic effect quantified?
Impressive, that guy's biceps sure got huge on "Creakic"!yeah i'm thinking of getting some. maybe some Aplodan to. It increases muscle fiber activation by 83%. im gonna get hooooge!
There are very few actually. Remember, I said for the purposes of this discussion. This might be a better one:you shouldn't have added caffeine, synephrine in there. those are stimulants (aka drugs)
The term ergogenic aid refers to a substance that can increase the capacity for bodily or mental labor, especially by eliminating fatigue symptoms. Nutritional ergogenic aids refer to substances that enhance performance and are either nutrients, metabolic by-products of nutrients, food (plant) extracts, or substances commonly found in foods (e.g., caffeine and creatine) that are provided in amounts more concentrated than commonly found in the natural food supply. The non-nutritional ergogenic aids, including anabolic steroids and their analogues, continue to be used by athletes, but because they are nearly universally banned by sports organizing bodies (NCAA, IOC, USOC, and so on), they are not the focus of this chapter. Instead, this chapter focuses on the legal nutritional ergogenic aids, for which there is an increasing body of scientific information.
Beta alanine, HMB, caffeine, synephrine, Microlactin(R), and there are others.
about the others is there really any reliable studies that say they work?
You posted one yourself, 83% muscle fiber activation!i forgot to add a big
i forgot to add a big
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for the dummies ;D
he said beyond any nutritional value..
Ahhh, the study freaks...
Go to www.pubmed.com and research words like creatine, beta alanine, caffeine, and so on. You will find plenty of studies. Some things work, some don't. I only sell what works, others don't, they sell what makes them the most profit.
Chris these guys dont want to believe anything besides what they want to believe. they wont be swayed, they would rather think they are correct then figure out they are wrong and then transfer beliefs and become TRULY correct.
yeah i'm thinking of getting some. maybe some Aplodan to. It increases muscle fiber activation by 83%. im gonna get hooooge!
(http://www.gigasnutrition.com/media/products/Aplodan_MuscleTech.jpg)
Amazing how Muscletech has made so much money with such useless products. I love the new ads "The power of Cryogenics released!" Cryogenics has to do with freezing someone and then reviving them at a later date in the future. But somehow Muscletech have frozen an amino acid and it somehow turns you into a guy that looks like Jay Cutler. LMFAO
epic whoring for a contract ;DWell fuck yeah i wish i oculd get free supplements. I just shelled out 150 for bulk whey is0+leucine+creatine and dextrose
Well fuck yeah i wish i oculd get free supplements. I just shelled out 150 for bulk whey is0+leucine+creatine and dextrosesounds like we've got Jay Cutler on board guys. :o
sounds like we've got Jay Cutler on board guys. :o
sounds like we've got Jay Cutler on board guys. :o::)
::)hahahahhaa, you spend 150 bucks on whey protein and i'm the idiot? ::)
yeah, anybody who mentions anything regarding actually trying to change their body, "this guys gotta be huge !!!"...
quaker honestly you being an idiot
Ahhh, the study freaks...
Go to www.pubmed.com and research words like creatine, beta alanine, caffeine, and so on. You will find plenty of studies. Some things work, some don't. I only sell what works, others don't, they sell what makes them the most profit.
are you people retarded?
jesus christ, 2 grams per pound of body weight. protein. do it EVERYDAY.
Every single pro & solid amateur bodybuilder I've ever personally known, and I've known 100's, have used protein supplements. Every single one. No exceptions.yyyuuupppppppppp !!
Every single pro & solid amateur bodybuilder I've ever personally known, and I've known 100's, have used protein supplements. Every single one. No exceptions.im gonna still drink the protein shake-im just cutting em down to 2 shake isnetad of 3!!
Cool. I like the sound of that. Give it 6-8 weeks, look in the mirror and see what you think. If it works, excellent. If not, make the adjustments.do u think it will be cheaper having the whole food instead of protein powders in long run?
Since I've given up protein powder and just used whole food, my gains have gone through the roof. I'm harder and have better energy than I ever did while taking 3 scoops of protein a day.
Kevin and Shawn didn't use protein powder before a contest. Kevin just ate 6 meals of flounder, chicken or lean beef for his protein.
Yea, check the size of the scoop.I WILL,BUT A/ THATS THE SCOOP GIVEN.B/ SAYS 16 SERVINGS ,I GET CRAZY WITH AMOUNTS AND ALWAYS CALCULATE LABELS ON PROTEIN THIS ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND GOT ME ACTUALLY THINKING IF I READ IT WRONG.I;LL CHECK THE SCOOP,BUT IT SAID 1 HEAPING SCOOP,SO BE IT.THANKS GUYS.IT TASTES GOOD AND THERE BRAND IS VERY GOOD QUALITY.
I suppose it would depend on the scoop. Also check how many servings per container.
i just started using healthy and fit brand whey 2 lbs 24.99 ok cash wise very light powder in terms of the scoop,says 1 heaping scoop 48 grms ,i kept rechecking label to make sure was not typo ,cause most scoops for 40/45 grms is 2.very high amino chart breakdown and they use no advertising,i haved used ON WHEY long time and others,anybody else tried 'heathy and fit' brand?
i just started using healthy and fit brand whey 2 lbs 24.99 ok cash wise very light powder in terms of the scoop,says 1 heaping scoop 48 grms ,i kept rechecking label to make sure was not typo ,cause most scoops for 40/45 grms is 2.very high amino chart breakdown and they use no advertising,i haved used ON WHEY long time and others,anybody else tried 'heathy and fit' brand?i just begann using this...took me a day to adjust to the vanilla-i like it now-in ice water it tastes great
princess-how is the label decieving?
The label indicates a serving size of 1 scoop which weighs 56 grams. njflex said he felt it had a high amino acid profile, however, the profile listed on the label is for 100 grams, almost twice the serving size. My point is: read your labels carefully so you know what you're really getting.hmmm do u think its a good protein powder?