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Title: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 27, 2008, 09:55:09 AM
im gonna start eating more whole food meals...im sick and tired of powders!!! all i want is to drink a shake post workout and thats it! im sick of spending too much money on powders!
what kind of diff will i notice from having 3 shakes and 3 meals to 5 meals and 1 shake?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Mars on October 27, 2008, 10:05:14 AM
yes people are making lots of money out of that crap so the illusion of monster dosages of protein should remain.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Permabulker on October 27, 2008, 10:06:33 AM
You will get better gains anyway........  Welcome to reality! 
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: First Blood on October 27, 2008, 10:08:51 AM
yes people are making lots of money out of that crap so the illusion of monster dosages of protein should remain.

hey man how do you train? what kind of split do you use?

i only drink protein powder after i workout...i like normal food better.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Boost on October 27, 2008, 10:15:19 AM
I have not had a protein shake in over a year.........and have not got any smaller....
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Relentless on October 27, 2008, 10:16:57 AM
im gonna start eating more whole food meals...im sick and tired of powders!!! all i want is to drink a shake post workout and thats it! im sick of spending too much money on powders!
what kind of diff will i notice from having 3 shakes and 3 meals to 5 meals and 1 shake?

Since I've given up protein powder and just used whole food, my gains have gone through the roof.  I'm harder and have better energy than I ever did while taking 3 scoops of protein a day. 

Kevin and Shawn didn't use protein powder before a contest.  Kevin just ate 6 meals of flounder, chicken or lean beef for his protein. 
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Relentless on October 27, 2008, 10:17:53 AM
yes people are making lots of money out of that crap so the illusion of monster dosages of protein should remain.

Didn't you love "Bigger, Faster, Stronger?"  That movie debunked a lot of the old myths.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 10:18:41 AM
You have confused me?

Nutshell version:

Increased protein intake is a good idea relative to the "normal" diet most untrained individuals follow.  How much protein is needed?  There are too many variables to answer that question accurately.  I recommend 1-2g total protein intake (from foods, fluids, and supplements).  

Think of it this way, the biggest and strongest men and women in the world almost invariably supplement with protein and feel it aids their training results.  

The decision is yours.  Drinking shakes in lieu of foods is fine so long as you still consume at least a few meals per day.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: njflex on October 27, 2008, 11:08:32 AM
You have confused me?

Nutshell version:

Increased protein intake is a good idea relative to the "normal" diet most untrained individuals follow.  How much protein is needed?  There are too many variables to answer that question accurately.  I recommend 1-2g total protein intake (from foods, fluids, and supplements).  

Think of it this way, the biggest and strongest men and women in the world almost invariably supplement with protein and feel it aids their training results.  

The decision is yours.  Drinking shakes in lieu of foods is fine so long as you still consume at least a few meals per day.
GOOD ANSWER...
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Relentless on October 27, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
You have confused me?

Nutshell version:

Increased protein intake is a good idea relative to the "normal" diet most untrained individuals follow.  How much protein is needed?  There are too many variables to answer that question accurately.  I recommend 1-2g total protein intake (from foods, fluids, and supplements).  

Think of it this way, the biggest and strongest men and women in the world almost invariably supplement with protein and feel it aids their training results.  

The decision is yours.  Drinking shakes in lieu of foods is fine so long as you still consume at least a few meals per day.

I agree.  If you think you need it,  you need it.  If you don't think you need it, don't take it.  Very simple.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: timfogarty on October 27, 2008, 11:31:19 AM
protein powders are just a form of fast food.  the only reason to take them is convenience.   regarding the sickly sweetness and fillers in most products, you can buy just plain bulk powder:  http://trueprotein.com
they have some predefined mixtures, or you can come up with your own.  I like Team Skip, chocolate, no sweetener.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
protein powders are just a form of fast food.  the only reason to take them is convenience. 
wrong.  dont be an idiot. look up the terms 'digestion rate' and 'amino acid profile'.


Since I've given up protein powder and just used whole food, my gains have gone through the roof.  I'm harder and have better energy than I ever did while taking 3 scoops of protein a day. 

Kevin and Shawn didn't use protein powder before a contest.  Kevin just ate 6 meals of flounder, chicken or lean beef for his protein. 
of course they have, al you were getting was 3 scoops of rptoein powder. whats that, 60 grams of protein? now that your eating like a person who ISNT A DUMBASS, re incorporate those scoops of whey around your workout.

I have not had a protein shake in over a year.........and have not got any smaller....
and your not growing as fast as you could be either.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: First Blood on October 27, 2008, 11:48:31 AM
protein powders are just a form of fast food.  the only reason to take them is convenience.   regarding the sickly sweetness and fillers in most products, you can buy just plain bulk powder:  http://trueprotein.com
they have some predefined mixtures, or you can come up with your own.  I like Team Skip, chocolate, no sweetener.

i agree with this...i just read (15min ago) an article by lyle mcdonald where he also basically says protein powder is just for convenience...and i have heard is one of the biggest experts in the world on nutrition.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Griffith on October 27, 2008, 12:34:33 PM
I stopped using whey a few months back.
It was making me feel bloated, reducing my appetite for normal foods and probably contributed to some acne too.

I've added steak to my diet recently and am noticing a big difference.
I usually have 100 grams about 4 or 5 times a week coupled with a nice portion of broccoli, celery and some carrots for supper.


Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Relentless on October 27, 2008, 12:35:36 PM
wrong.  dont be an idiot. look up the terms 'digestion rate' and 'amino acid profile'.

of course they have, al you were getting was 3 scoops of rptoein powder. whats that, 60 grams of protein? now that your eating like a person who ISNT A DUMBASS, re incorporate those scoops of whey around your workout.
 and your not growing as fast as you could be either.

Who are you again?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 12:53:07 PM
i agree with this...i just read (15min ago) an article by lyle mcdonald where he also basically says protein powder is just for convenience...and i have heard is one of the biggest experts in the world on nutrition.

Lyle's opinions on matters often leave a lot to be desired...

Actually, in this case I somewhat agree.  A shake which is only protien does have its advantages in that it is a very low calorie source of protein and it is in liquid form which means it should be more quickly absorbed. 

Now, some protein products such as my MAXIMUS also have ergogens mixed in with the protein, carbs, and or fats, so they become more than just a "convenience" supplement. 
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 12:53:17 PM
I stopped using whey a few months back.
It was making me feel bloated, reducing my appetite for normal foods and probably contributed to some acne too.

I've added steak to my diet recently and am noticing a big difference.
I usually have 100 grams about 4 or 5 times a week coupled with a nice portion of broccoli, celery and some carrots for supper.



you eat steak 4 or 5 times a week?




are you people retarded?


jesus christ, 2 grams per pound of body weight. protein. do it EVERYDAY.


Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 12:54:47 PM
you eat steak 4 or 5 times a week?




are you people retarded?


jesus christ, 2 grams per pound of body weight. protein. do it EVERYDAY.



why aren't you 250 pounds at minimal bodyfat if you do that?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 12:55:45 PM
why aren't you 250 pounds at minimal bodyfat if you do that?
  what does body fat have to do with protien intake? is eating more protein going to make someone lean? is eating more protein the equivelant of years and years of steroids abuse?

dont be a fucking jackass

Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 12:56:35 PM
Lyle's opinions on matters often leave a lot to be desired...

Actually, in this case I somewhat agree.  A shake which is only protien does have its advantages in that it is a very low calorie source of protein and it is in liquid form which means it should be more quickly absorbed. 

Now, some protein products such as my MAXIMUS also have ergogens mixed in with the protein, carbs, and or fats, so they become more than just a "convenience" supplement. 
hahahhaa, i love how you clowns say "my such and such" supplement as if you invented the ingredients. ::)
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 12:57:00 PM
Since I've given up protein powder and just used whole food, my gains have gone through the roof.  I'm harder and have better energy than I ever did while taking 3 scoops of protein a day. 

Kevin and Shawn didn't use protein powder before a contest.  Kevin just ate 6 meals of flounder, chicken or lean beef for his protein. 

The only possible reason for the results you have seen as you describe them is that you were not consuming sufficient calories in the first place.  The protein shakes could in no way have hindered your results.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 12:57:23 PM
  what does body fat have to do with protien intake? is eating more protein going to make someone lean? is eating more protein the equivelant of years and years of steroids abuse?

dont be a fucking jackass


don't get all angry dude, just asking why you haven't achieved better results with all the lengths you go to to build muscle.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Relentless on October 27, 2008, 01:00:19 PM
The only possible reason for the results you have seen as you describe them is that you were not consuming sufficient calories in the first place.  The protein shakes could in no way have hindered your results.

You're right about that; I wasn't taking in enough carbs and my energy levels weren't where they needed to be. 

Like many, I was relying too much on the protein shakes and not enough on whole food.  The protein shakes should have been used as a supplement, not a meal replacement.  I don't have any plans on competing or bulking, so I am not going to add the protein shakes now. 
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 01:03:58 PM
Guys, seriously

IGNORE THE TROLLS.  THIS IS A GREAT THREAD WITH INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION.  THIS IS WHAT GETBIG SHOULD BE ABOUT.  THE TROLLS WILL TRY REALLY HARD TO RUIN IT.  JUST IGNORE THEM.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 01:05:00 PM
You're right about that; I wasn't taking in enough carbs and my energy levels weren't where they needed to be. 

Like many, I was relying too much on the protein shakes and not enough on whole food.  The protein shakes should have been used as a supplement, not a meal replacement.  I don't have any plans on competing or bulking, so I am not going to add the protein shakes now. 

I pretty much agree.  I think someone like you should only consider a protein supplement that contains ergogens.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 01:06:29 PM
I pretty much agree.  I think someone like you should only consider a protein supplement that contains ergogens.
and let me guess your "company" makes a product just like that, right Chris? ::)
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 01:08:48 PM
and let me guess your "company" makes a product just like that, right Chris? ::)

We do, as do others.  Thanks for asking!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 01:09:54 PM
We do, as do others.  Thanks for asking!
hahahahhaa, awfully convenient wouldn't you say? :o
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Griffith on October 27, 2008, 01:15:41 PM
you eat steak 4 or 5 times a week?




are you people retarded?


jesus christ, 2 grams per pound of body weight. protein. do it EVERYDAY.




On the days I'm not having steak I have tuna or some salmon instead.
Or I'll have higher carbs on those days and and reduce the protein.
I don't think meat every day could be that good in the long run, so sometimes it's steak every other day.

So far it seems to be working, but I'll have to still see how it goes.

I was on an Atkins type diet before that with very high protein and lots of raw eggs...but I had no energy because of the low carbs. Maybe it works for others but I need higher carbs to have any energy in the gym.
I've also ditched the raw eggs or any eggs.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
What are "ergogens" ???
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 01:19:32 PM
What are "ergogens" ???
bullshit fillers that don't do anything except make it cost more money.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2008, 01:20:17 PM
im gonna start eating more whole food meals...im sick and tired of powders!!! all i want is to drink a shake post workout and thats it! im sick of spending too much money on powders!
what kind of diff will i notice from having 3 shakes and 3 meals to 5 meals and 1 shake?
actually... in sheer protein weight, pound for pound powders are cheaper than whole foods...

and it's nice for convenience right after the workout is done. and at other times when short on time.

you eat a whole food meal right when you come home anyways right?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 01:22:55 PM
bullshit fillers that don't do anything except make it cost more money.

I'm sure they got bulletproof studies!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 01:25:16 PM
I'm sure they got bulletproof studies!
hahahah, complete with pictures of pro bodybuilders in a "lab" with "scientists" in lab coats.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food.
Post by: brent2741 on October 27, 2008, 01:27:25 PM
i drink 2-3 shakes a day because my schedule will not let me sit down and eat 6 solid meals a day, but like anything moderation is the key.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 01:29:26 PM
hahahah, complete with pictures of pro bodybuilders in a "lab" with "scientists" in lab coats.

Uuuhhh, kinky!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 01:35:03 PM
What are "ergogens" ???

For purposes of this discussion, something that has an anabolic effect above and beyond its nutritive value.  Creatine is an example of an ergogen. 
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 01:37:55 PM
For purposes of this discussion, something that has an anabolic effect above and beyond its nutritive value.  Creatine is an example of an ergogen.

What other ergogens are there? And how is their anabolic effect quantified?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2008, 01:39:58 PM
For purposes of this discussion, something that has an anabolic effect above and beyond its nutritive value.  Creatine is an example of an ergogen. 
i dont notice any difference on and off creatine..maybe its just me...

i've heard that there are science. studies to back it up? but it dont dont notice shit on and off..
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food.
Post by: Marty Champions on October 27, 2008, 01:40:08 PM
What other ergogens are there? And how is their anabolic effect quantified?

yes i second this

by "masons" definition perhaps there are added vitamins/antioxidants, if thats the case stick to veggies and fruit juices
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food.
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2008, 01:42:19 PM
yes i second this

by "masons" definition perhaps there are added vitamins/antioxidants, if thats the case stick to veggies and fruit juices
he said beyond any nutritional value..
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 01:43:20 PM
i dont notice any difference on and off creatine..maybe its just me...

i've heard that there are science. studies to back it up? but it dont dont notice shit on and off..

Same here, goes for all supps for me. Creatine maybe has a small effect on some people.
But maybe there's new stuff.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2008, 01:46:53 PM
Same here, goes for all supps for me. Creatine maybe has a small effect on some people.
But maybe there's new stuff.
yeah... you mean like this maybe?

(http://www.punchsupplements.co.nz/hot_buttons/creakic-diagram.jpg)




(http://www.gakic.com/images/research/ART_gakic_research.jpg)
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 01:59:15 PM
yeah... you mean like this maybe?

Impressive, that guy's biceps sure got huge on "Creakic"!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 02:00:37 PM
What other ergogens are there? And how is their anabolic effect quantified?

There are very few actually.  Remember, I said for the purposes of this discussion.  This might be a better one:

The term ergogenic aid refers to a substance that can increase the capacity for bodily or mental labor, especially by eliminating fatigue symptoms. Nutritional ergogenic aids refer to substances that enhance performance and are either nutrients, metabolic by-products of nutrients, food (plant) extracts, or substances commonly found in foods (e.g., caffeine and creatine) that are provided in amounts more concentrated than commonly found in the natural food supply. The non-nutritional ergogenic aids, including anabolic steroids and their analogues, continue to be used by athletes, but because they are nearly universally banned by sports organizing bodies (NCAA, IOC, USOC, and so on), they are not the focus of this chapter. Instead, this chapter focuses on the legal nutritional ergogenic aids, for which there is an increasing body of scientific information.

Beta alanine, HMB, caffeine, synephrine, Microlactin(R), and there are others.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2008, 02:03:20 PM
Impressive, that guy's biceps sure got huge on "Creakic"!
yeah i'm thinking of getting some. maybe some Aplodan to. It increases muscle fiber activation by 83%. im gonna get hooooge!

(http://www.gigasnutrition.com/media/products/Aplodan_MuscleTech.jpg)
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: nukkaready on October 27, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
protein powder or real food??? what does it matter? as a natural you won't gain shit either way. Once you get on some test and deca it doesn't matter either cause the drugs will make you build muscle as long as you eat enough calories and protein in general.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2008, 02:11:08 PM
There are very few actually.  Remember, I said for the purposes of this discussion.  This might be a better one:

The term ergogenic aid refers to a substance that can increase the capacity for bodily or mental labor, especially by eliminating fatigue symptoms. Nutritional ergogenic aids refer to substances that enhance performance and are either nutrients, metabolic by-products of nutrients, food (plant) extracts, or substances commonly found in foods (e.g., caffeine and creatine) that are provided in amounts more concentrated than commonly found in the natural food supply. The non-nutritional ergogenic aids, including anabolic steroids and their analogues, continue to be used by athletes, but because they are nearly universally banned by sports organizing bodies (NCAA, IOC, USOC, and so on), they are not the focus of this chapter. Instead, this chapter focuses on the legal nutritional ergogenic aids, for which there is an increasing body of scientific information.

Beta alanine, HMB, caffeine, synephrine, Microlactin(R), and there are others.
you shouldn't have added caffeine, synephrine in there. those are stimulants (aka drugs)

about the others is there really any reliable studies that say they work?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 02:16:48 PM
about the others is there really any reliable studies that say they work?

You posted one yourself, 83% muscle fiber activation!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: MAXX on October 27, 2008, 02:18:51 PM
You posted one yourself, 83% muscle fiber activation!
i forgot to add a big

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

for the dummies  ;D
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 02:24:47 PM
i forgot to add a big

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

for the dummies  ;D

It sure beats that "Gakic":

----
The fact of the matter is GAKIC® Hardcore translates into instant, raw strength. So much in fact, subjects taking GAKIC Hardcore's key complex instantly jacked up their strength by an incredible 10.5 percent and increased muscle growth stimulus by up to 28 percent! What’s more, in the same clinical study one extraordinary test subject amplified his strength by an earth-shattering 24.3 percent. Yes, you read it right, 24.3 percent! So, not only are you pushing heavier weights, but you’re banging out more reps, and this is all with your very first dose! Because GAKIC Hardcore gives you an incredible surge of strength, you can exert your muscles like never before to trigger all-new muscle growth!
----

Bah, only 28%!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food.
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
he said beyond any nutritional value..

Falcon is too doped up to have good reading comprehension.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: chris_mason on October 27, 2008, 02:35:47 PM
Ahhh, the study freaks...

Go to www.pubmed.com and research words like creatine, beta alanine, caffeine, and so on.  You will find plenty of studies.  Some things work, some don't.  I only sell what works, others don't, they sell what makes them the most profit.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 02:35:48 PM
Chris, don't you think that ads like that can only lead to the conclusion that it's all bullshit?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: timfogarty on October 27, 2008, 03:31:26 PM
Ahhh, the study freaks...

Go to www.pubmed.com and research words like creatine, beta alanine, caffeine, and so on.  You will find plenty of studies.  Some things work, some don't.  I only sell what works, others don't, they sell what makes them the most profit.

why should we trust you?  You're in it for financial gain.   Ad agencies are paid to create images that sell product, whether the product works or not.   The only thing we have to make informed decisions are peer reviewed scientific studies. 
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 03:36:18 PM
Chris these guys dont want to believe anything besides what they want to believe. they wont be swayed, they would rather think they are correct then figure out they are wrong and then transfer beliefs and become TRULY correct.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 03:41:45 PM
Chris these guys dont want to believe anything besides what they want to believe. they wont be swayed, they would rather think they are correct then figure out they are wrong and then transfer beliefs and become TRULY correct.

epic whoring for a contract ;D
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: The ChemistV2 on October 27, 2008, 03:44:50 PM
yeah i'm thinking of getting some. maybe some Aplodan to. It increases muscle fiber activation by 83%. im gonna get hooooge!

(http://www.gigasnutrition.com/media/products/Aplodan_MuscleTech.jpg)

Amazing how Muscletech has made so much money with such useless products. I love the new ads "The power of Cryogenics released!" Cryogenics has to do with freezing someone and then reviving them at a later date in the future. But somehow Muscletech have frozen an amino acid and it somehow turns you into a guy that looks like Jay Cutler. LMFAO
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 03:46:34 PM
Amazing how Muscletech has made so much money with such useless products. I love the new ads "The power of Cryogenics released!" Cryogenics has to do with freezing someone and then reviving them at a later date in the future. But somehow Muscletech have frozen an amino acid and it somehow turns you into a guy that looks like Jay Cutler. LMFAO

Blasphemy, can't you read? OVER 30 INDEPENDENT STUDIES, BABY!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 03:50:05 PM
epic whoring for a contract ;D
   Well fuck yeah i wish i oculd get free supplements. I just shelled out 150 for bulk whey is0+leucine+creatine and  dextrose
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 04:07:38 PM
   Well fuck yeah i wish i oculd get free supplements. I just shelled out 150 for bulk whey is0+leucine+creatine and  dextrose
sounds like we've got Jay Cutler on board guys. :o
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: wavelength on October 27, 2008, 04:12:43 PM
sounds like we've got Jay Cutler on board guys. :o

What, you didn't know of candi's mission for a 6 figure contract? ;D
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 04:16:17 PM
sounds like we've got Jay Cutler on board guys. :o
     ::)

yeah, anybody who mentions anything regarding actually trying to change their body,    "this guys gotta be huge !!!"...

quaker honestly you being an idiot
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: QuakerOats on October 27, 2008, 04:17:58 PM
     ::)

yeah, anybody who mentions anything regarding actually trying to change their body,    "this guys gotta be huge !!!"...

quaker honestly you being an idiot
hahahahhaa, you spend 150 bucks on whey protein and i'm the idiot? ::)
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 04:19:34 PM
considering the fact that the cost of what i bought would be about a grand, if it was bought by the two lb container.... and also considering the fact its not even sold by any company... its my own custom mix perfectly suited for what im doing.. and conidering it will last me 6 months..
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: First Blood on October 27, 2008, 04:34:19 PM
Ahhh, the study freaks...

Go to www.pubmed.com and research words like creatine, beta alanine, caffeine, and so on.  You will find plenty of studies.  Some things work, some don't.  I only sell what works, others don't, they sell what makes them the most profit.

hey man do you send out samples? maybe we could set up some kind of deal?

lemme know
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on October 27, 2008, 05:44:25 PM

are you people retarded?


jesus christ, 2 grams per pound of body weight. protein. do it EVERYDAY.


2 grams per pound is far too much.

Until you try eating less you don't realise you could actually be hurting gains overeating protein. It's just hard mentally to eat less protein.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: JasonBourne22 on October 27, 2008, 06:05:59 PM
Whole food is always better. Anything that has been processed to make, also has to be processed differently by the body. After cutting out shakes, I was doing about two 46gram shakes per day, my muscles have gotten harder, body fat decreased, vascularity increased etc... I only use shakes when I do not have a meal prepared, otherwise its whole food (mostly red meat) for my protein intake.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tommywishbone on October 27, 2008, 06:33:23 PM
Every single pro & solid amateur bodybuilder I've ever personally known, and I've known 100's, have used protein supplements. Every single one. No exceptions.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 27, 2008, 06:50:24 PM
Every single pro & solid amateur bodybuilder I've ever personally known, and I've known 100's, have used protein supplements. Every single one. No exceptions.
yyyuuupppppppppp !!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 27, 2008, 06:52:04 PM
Every single pro & solid amateur bodybuilder I've ever personally known, and I've known 100's, have used protein supplements. Every single one. No exceptions.
im gonna still drink the protein shake-im just cutting em down to 2 shake isnetad of 3!!
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tommywishbone on October 27, 2008, 06:57:47 PM
Cool. I like the sound of that. Give it 6-8 weeks, look in the mirror and see what you think. If it works, excellent. If not, make the adjustments.   
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 27, 2008, 07:00:16 PM
Cool. I like the sound of that. Give it 6-8 weeks, look in the mirror and see what you think. If it works, excellent. If not, make the adjustments.   
do u think it will be cheaper having the whole food instead of protein powders in long run?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: elite_lifter on October 27, 2008, 09:13:24 PM
I'd rather drink a delicious ON chocolate casein protein shake b4 bed than choke down cottage cheese. Also an MRP when I wake up in the A.M. and after I workout is the fastest way to put my body back into positve nitrogen balance, I like positive nitrogen balance. ;D I wonder what these twinks who get the amount of protein a little girl would get look like. ::)
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: MCWAY on October 28, 2008, 05:45:19 AM
Since I've given up protein powder and just used whole food, my gains have gone through the roof.  I'm harder and have better energy than I ever did while taking 3 scoops of protein a day. 

Kevin and Shawn didn't use protein powder before a contest.  Kevin just ate 6 meals of flounder, chicken or lean beef for his protein. 

Tbombz hit the nail on the head. Basically, your diet was lousy and you consumed TOO LITTLE PROTEIN POWDER. Three scoops of protein per day? Many trainers use that much PER SHAKE and consume around three shakes per day.

Remember when MET-Rx was the be-all-to-end-all supplement in the mid-90s? I tried it and got nothing, so I thought much the same way that you did. Of course, after reading a bit more, I found that some of these guys, singing the praises of MET-Rx, were dowining EIGHT MET-Rx shakes per day (which is nearly 300 grams of protein). That's in addition to their regular food intake.

Basically, you needed to consume more protein and you have done that, which is why your gains have gone "through the roof". The same thing happened to me, back when I was in college. Even though I did increase the amount of regular food I was eating, because of my schedule, my increased protein uptake came in the form of three Mega Mass 2000 shakes (which totaled 30 oz. of powder, yielding 3300 calories, 165 g protein, 600 g carbs, and a little fat).
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: njflex on October 28, 2008, 09:36:50 AM
i just started using healthy and fit brand whey 2 lbs 24.99 ok cash wise very light powder in terms of the scoop,says 1 heaping scoop 48 grms ,i kept rechecking label to make sure was not typo ,cause most scoops for 40/45 grms is 2.very high amino chart breakdown and they use no advertising,i haved used ON WHEY long time and others,anybody else tried 'heathy and fit' brand?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: tbombz on October 28, 2008, 09:38:27 AM
check the size of your scoop. i bet its a 30 gram scoop (70cc). you cant have 48 g protein inside of a 30g scoop.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Rimbaud on October 28, 2008, 09:41:49 AM
Yea, check the size of the scoop.

I suppose it would depend on the scoop. Also check how many servings per container.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: njflex on October 28, 2008, 10:32:56 AM
Yea, check the size of the scoop.

I suppose it would depend on the scoop. Also check how many servings per container.
I WILL,BUT A/ THATS THE SCOOP GIVEN.B/ SAYS 16 SERVINGS ,I GET CRAZY WITH AMOUNTS AND ALWAYS CALCULATE LABELS ON PROTEIN THIS ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND GOT ME ACTUALLY THINKING IF I READ IT WRONG.I;LL CHECK THE SCOOP,BUT IT SAID 1 HEAPING SCOOP,SO BE IT.THANKS GUYS.IT TASTES GOOD AND THERE BRAND IS VERY GOOD QUALITY.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Princess L on October 28, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
i just started using healthy and fit brand whey 2 lbs 24.99 ok cash wise very light powder in terms of the scoop,says 1 heaping scoop 48 grms ,i kept rechecking label to make sure was not typo ,cause most scoops for 40/45 grms is 2.very high amino chart breakdown and they use no advertising,i haved used ON WHEY long time and others,anybody else tried 'heathy and fit' brand?

Somewhat deceiving label  :-\

2 Lbs.   Heavenly Chocolate
Supplement Facts
Serving Size2 Oz. 1 Heaping Scoop(56g)
Servings Per Container16
Amount Per Serving   
Calories   196   
Calories From Fat   9   
   % Daily Value*
Total Fat   1g   1%
Saturated Fat   0g   0%
Cholesterol   less than5mg   1%
Sodium   290mg   12%
Total Carbohydrate   3g   1%
Dietary Fiber   0g   0%
Sugars   3g   
Protein   45g   
Vitamin A      0%
Vitamin C      2%
Calcium      8%
Iron      4%
Stevia Extract Herb (Stevia Rebaudiana) (Leaf) (Standardized 90% Steviosides)   56mg   †

Amino Acid Profile
(Typical Analysis - Mg Per 100 Gms)
L-Alanine   4368mg   
L-Arginine   2340mg   
L-Aspartic Acid   9594mg   
L-Cysteine   1482mg   
L-Glutamic Acid   13806mg   
L-Glycine   1482mg   
L-Histidine   1560mg   
L-Isoleucine   4212mg   
L-Leucine   10530mg   
L-Lysine   8502mg   
L-Methionine   1950mg   
L-Phenylalanine   2652mg   
L-Proline   3744mg   
L-Serine   3510mg   
L-Threonine   4134mg   
L-Tryptophan (Naturally Occurring)   1170mg   
L-Tyrosine   3042mg   
L-Valine   4212mg   
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.
† Daily Value not established
Other Ingredients
Highest Quality, Most Biologically Active Whey Proteins And Peptides, Including Ion Exchange Whey Protein With Beta Lactoglobulin, Alpha-Lactalbumin, Immunoglobulin, Bovine Serum Albumin, Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Hydrolysate Peptides And Amino Acids, Glutamine, Cocoa, Chocolate Flavor, Vanilla Flavor, Stevia (A Natural Herb)
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 28, 2008, 06:33:49 PM
i just started using healthy and fit brand whey 2 lbs 24.99 ok cash wise very light powder in terms of the scoop,says 1 heaping scoop 48 grms ,i kept rechecking label to make sure was not typo ,cause most scoops for 40/45 grms is 2.very high amino chart breakdown and they use no advertising,i haved used ON WHEY long time and others,anybody else tried 'heathy and fit' brand?
i just begann using this...took me a day to adjust to the vanilla-i like it now-in ice water it tastes great
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 28, 2008, 06:34:52 PM
princess-how is the label decieving?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: Princess L on October 28, 2008, 07:19:07 PM
princess-how is the label decieving?

The label indicates a serving size of 1 scoop which weighs 56 grams.  njflex said he felt it had a high amino acid profile, however, the profile listed on the label is for 100 grams, almost twice the serving size.  My point is: read your labels carefully so you know what you're really getting.
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on October 28, 2008, 07:26:38 PM
The label indicates a serving size of 1 scoop which weighs 56 grams.  njflex said he felt it had a high amino acid profile, however, the profile listed on the label is for 100 grams, almost twice the serving size.  My point is: read your labels carefully so you know what you're really getting.
hmmm do u think its a good protein powder?
Title: Re: im sick of protein powder and their sweetners costs and crap-all whole food...
Post by: njflex on October 29, 2008, 08:10:05 AM
WOW I NEVER GET THIS INVOLVED IN ONE TOPIC BUT THANX PRINCESS L AND THE REST OF YOU WHO POSTED,ITS A 70 CC SCOOP SO FIGURE I DON'T KNOW,ITS A GOOD TASTE AND AMINO PROFILE IS IRRELEVANT CAUSE I USE OTHER STUFF,I'M A BASICS KIND OF GUY WITH SUPPS'S,BUT I LIKE THE INPIUT HERE SO THANX.ITS PRICED REASONABLE,AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER ARE AN OLDER COMPANY LIKE BEVERLY INTERNATIONAL AND DO NO ADVERTISING THAT COULD BE A GOOD THING NO?KEEPS COST LOWER AND PRODUCT BETTER I WOULD HOPE.IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD PROTEIN ,I EAT A LOT OF GOOD CLEAN CHOICES OF REAL FOOD TOO.