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Title: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 29, 2008, 07:23:17 PM
I thought it was a little predictable, sappy, at first.

But I gotta admit - at the end of it - it was pretty emotional.

I know he's a capitalist just like McCain.  (he's not a socialist by definition, you do know that).

But the production value was very good, it was flawlessly timed with the live exit speech, and it did its purpose.  A lot of people used to watching sitcome crap at 8 pm was sucked into those emotional stories, and probably ended up with a more favorable optinion of Obama.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 07:27:11 PM
Why would someone, who should be mopping the floor with McCain, have to run a 30 minute infomerical?

McCain is practically being charitable and giving it away yet Obama can't deliver the hard cross and knock him out.



Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 07:31:33 PM
Why would someone, who should be mopping the floor with McCain, have to run a 30 minute infomerical?

McCain is practically being charitable and giving it away yet Obama can't deliver the hard cross and knock him out.




I don't think the words, "have to run" are appropriate.  I don't see any indication whatsoever that the infomercial was a must do.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Mark Kerr on October 29, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
Why would someone, who should be mopping the floor with McCain, have to run a 30 minute infomerical?

McCain is practically being charitable and giving it away yet Obama can't deliver the hard cross and knock him out.





The election is not over.

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 07:38:05 PM
I don't think the words, "have to run" are appropriate.  I don't see any indication whatsoever that the infomercial was a must do.

Okay, Hugo. He didn't have to run the informercial... but he did.

It's my opinion that he had to because McCain has been closing the gap over the past few days.

The McCain of today isn't the man who ran in 2000. This shouldn't even be close.

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 07:39:21 PM
The election is not over.

True.

I wouldn't be surprised if McCain pulled an upset.

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 29, 2008, 07:50:46 PM
He bought the airtime weeks ago when polls were tied.  I think in retrospect, they wouldn't have done it.  However, if Mccain was leading by 6 points in polls right now, or if some new crisis has arose, this airtime could have been used for some serious address to america.

Instead, it was a fluff piece that really did no harm.  Did anyone who was undecided watch this video and decide they hate obama? LOL...
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Busted on October 29, 2008, 07:51:48 PM
I missed it... been searching for it online to watch it..
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 07:52:51 PM
He bought the airtime weeks ago when polls were tied.  I think in retrospect, they wouldn't have done it.  However, if Mccain was leading by 6 points in polls right now, or if some new crisis has arose, this airtime could have been used for some serious address to america.

Instead, it was a fluff piece that really did no harm.  Did anyone who was undecided watch this video and decide they hate obama? LOL...

More importantly, did anyone who was undecided watch the video and drink the kool-aid?

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Benny B on October 29, 2008, 07:57:46 PM
Okay, Hugo. He didn't have to run the informercial... but he did.

It's my opinion that he had to because McCain has been closing the gap over the past few days.

You've got to be kidding.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 07:59:52 PM
You've got to be kidding.

No I'm not.

At one point wasn't it reported that Obama had a double digit lead in the polls? Now today I'm hearing reports of Gallop polls that have McCain within 3 points?

Obama pwnd him in the debates. This should not be a close race.

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 08:05:46 PM
Okay, Hugo. He didn't have to run the informercial... but he did.

It's my opinion that he had to because McCain has been closing the gap over the past few days.

The McCain of today isn't the man who ran in 2000. This shouldn't even be close.


You have a logic problem... the infomerical was a done deal long before McCain was closing the gap--if he actually is, there is no real indication of that.  As I pointed out today, he fell in average polls for the first time recently and as I went over each state the mass majority of that was in states McCain already has.  In several of the critical battleground states, Obama went up.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 29, 2008, 08:12:37 PM
they were essentially tied when he bought the ad time.

It wasn't a response to yesterday's poll tightening.

It was planned weeks ago.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 08:14:30 PM
You have a logic problem... the infomerical was a done deal long before McCain was closing the gap--if he actually is, there is no real indication of that.  As I pointed out today, he fell in average polls for the first time and as I went over each state the mass majority of that was in states McCain already has.

Don't get me wrong here. I know what you're saying.

I'm just saying that for someone that should have this election in the bag he's doing a lot of work to try to put him away in the final rounds.

I'm just surprised it's taking this much effort and that McCain's still in the fight.



Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Busted on October 29, 2008, 08:20:00 PM
anyone found it online yet?
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 08:20:27 PM
they were essentially tied when he bought the ad time.

It wasn't a response to yesterday's poll tightening.

It was planned weeks ago.

If it was made and planned weeks ago why wait until now to air it?

Is it possible they (Obama's campaign advisors) knew it would be close and wanted something to counter any momentum McCain might gain in the final days?

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: drkaje on October 29, 2008, 08:21:26 PM
I was watching UFC and wasn't going to be bored by a politician. I'll watch him on the Daily show for a few laughs.

They have to spend, spend, spend and make sure people really vote.

McCain can still win, especially if his opponents get complacent.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 29, 2008, 08:22:58 PM
If it was made and planned weeks ago why wait until now to air it?

Because it was 6 days before the election and would have helped stop any problems, address any polling deficits.  This same video 3 weeks ago would have had little impact.  Undecided voters are deciding THIS WEEK.

Is it possible they (Obama's campaign advisors) knew it would be close and wanted something to counter any momentum McCain might gain in the final days?

Of course.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 29, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
Because it was 6 days before the election and would have helped stop any problems, address any polling deficits.  This same video 3 weeks ago would have had little impact.  Undecided voters are deciding THIS WEEK.

Of course.

Meh... perhaps.

Reagan and Clinton didn't need no stinkin' 30 minute infomercials.

I'd have watched if they used Billy Mays. Then I could have listened to a pitch on Obama and Mighty Putty.  ;D
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 08:47:04 PM
Don't get me wrong here. I know what you're saying.

I'm just saying that for someone that should have this election in the bag he's doing a lot of work to try to put him away in the final rounds.

I'm just surprised it's taking this much effort and that McCain's still in the fight.




for the first black president or half black depending on how you view it he's doing better than I expected...  I wasn't sure it would happen in my lifetime and even now there are more videos on the net of "I can't vote for a black man" statements than I can count.  Even here on getbig, there have been many.  If you took Obama exactly how he is and made him white, he would probably be 15 to 20 points ahead in the polls.  Now I'm not trying to call racist in a divisive way, we all know how race has played out in America and I'm not pitting one race as being more or less at fault.  Just stating the facts that we all know all to well...
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: drkaje on October 29, 2008, 08:52:00 PM
for the first black president or half black depending on how you view it he's doing better than I expected...  I wasn't sure it would happen in my lifetime and even now there are more videos on the net of "I can't vote for a black man" statements than I can count.  Even here on getbig, there have been many.  If you took Obama exactly how he is and made him white, he would probably be 15 to 20 points ahead in the polls.  Now I'm not trying to call racist in a divisive way, we all know how race has played out in America and I'm not pitting one race as being more or less at fault.  Just stating the facts that we all know all to well...

Gun sales are up.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: timfogarty on October 29, 2008, 08:52:48 PM
It's my opinion that he had to because McCain has been closing the gap over the past few days.

No, he hasn't.  Obama is even further ahead in the electoral vote.

your liberal press in action:   Obama up by 13 in PA = battleground state;  McCain up by 2 in AZ, not a battleground state.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 09:00:20 PM
Gun sales are up.
well good but it creeps me out this was your reply to my post.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: drkaje on October 29, 2008, 09:18:04 PM
well good but it creeps me out this was your reply to my post.

People have pretended or fooled themselves for years into believing race has little bearing on how they see the world. IMO, it's not really racism (except in extreme cases), just that people can't believe a black man could actually end up being president.

Maybe it's culture shock or something.

I don't believe McCain would have a snowball's chance in hell if Obama were white. Not due to their political differences but because race wouldn't be a significant negative for Obama. The economy is just so screwed up and the war will be going on for a long time.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Busted on October 29, 2008, 09:20:01 PM
That was a very powerful video. For the first time in my live I was motivated to vote.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 29, 2008, 09:28:45 PM
I wouldn't listen to him if he presented a powerpoint presentation himself in my own front room. But I did catch a little exerpt of him mentioning raising taxes for people making $200k....wait, wasn't it $250k? Or no, wait again....was it $150k??
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 09:39:38 PM
People have pretended or fooled themselves for years into believing race has little bearing on how they see the world. IMO, it's not really racism (except in extreme cases), just that people can't believe a black man could actually end up being president.

Maybe it's culture shock or something.

I don't believe McCain would have a snowball's chance in hell if Obama were white. Not due to their political differences but because race wouldn't be a significant negative for Obama. The economy is just so screwed up and the war will be going on for a long time.
I know one thing for sure.  I'm very happy that I can look at Obama and see the person, not the color and I feel sorry for those who are blinded by race and cannot see the person.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 09:41:45 PM
I wouldn't listen to him if he presented a powerpoint presentation himself in my own front room. But I did catch a little exerpt of him mentioning raising taxes for people making $200k....wait, wasn't it $250k? Or no, wait again....was it $150k??
What the fuck... I, we listen to McCain and you just won't even listen to him, no matter what?  WTF, you have to get your take only through douhebags like Rush?  Fuck man....
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 29, 2008, 09:46:28 PM
If it makes you feel better, Rush wasn't on during the World Series and if he was I'd still watch the world series. He spent $5mil on any infomercial during the World Series!!!!

I'd rather watch Billy Mays sell me some insurance.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 29, 2008, 09:49:17 PM
If it makes you feel better, Rush wasn't on during the World Series and if he was I'd still watch the world series. He spent $5mil on any infomercial during the World Series!!!!

I'd rather watch Billy Mays sell me some insurance.

FOX confirmed today that there was no delay for Obama. 

It was to start late so the end of the game would come at 10 for FOX local 10 EST news, and sure enough, last strikeout was 9:57
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 29, 2008, 09:51:53 PM
Well, thats how much I cared. I thought he was on during the world series. Oh well!
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 09:53:17 PM
Just finished watching, wow this was very powerful.  I had big doubts but I'm blown away with this segment.  I'm actually happy Obama did it.  just wow...
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 29, 2008, 09:54:51 PM
So what is it, $250, 200 or 150k?
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 09:55:07 PM
If it makes you feel better, Rush wasn't on during the World Series and if he was I'd still watch the world series. He spent $5mil on any infomercial during the World Series!!!!

I'd rather watch Billy Mays sell me some insurance.
I like you, but dang you can be an asshole :D  Seriously, after this is over, no hard feelings Joe, still have respect for you... But dang you're an asshole :D
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 29, 2008, 09:55:24 PM
Well, thats how much I cared. I thought he was on during the world series. Oh well!

I agree the ad was a little dumbed down for the American idol viewers.  You KNOW they loved the stories - it spoke to them... teachers, retired couples, etc.  Very high quality ad.  But lame to the politically wise.  I think it was an emergency time slot, in case mccain was kicking his ass right now, so he'd have a platform to talk to voters and stop the damage.  

it's been a very well-run campaign.  We're hearing all sorts of stuff leak from mccain campaign (palin planning 2012, etc).  Love him or hate him - obama is running a very disciplined campaign (despite biden minor slip ups)
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 09:56:23 PM
So what is it, $250, 200 or 150k?
depends on the damage Bush caused :D
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 29, 2008, 09:58:08 PM
I agree, even my cousin said he's running any almost flawless camapign. Dishonest, but flawless. (Almost)
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 09:59:29 PM
I agree the ad was a little dumbed down for the American idol viewers.  You KNOW they loved the stories - it spoke to them... teachers, retired couples, etc.  Very high quality ad.  But lame to the politically wise.  I think it was an emergency time slot, in case mccain was kicking his ass right now, so he'd have a platform to talk to voters and stop the damage.  

it's been a very well-run campaign.  We're hearing all sorts of stuff leak from mccain campaign (palin planning 2012, etc).  Love him or hate him - obama is running a very disciplined campaign (despite biden minor slip ups)
well I wouldn't call it dumbed down, but we all know if you get to technical.... Kerry... Gore...  That goes for any American viewership unfortunately...  So he hit right on imo...
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 29, 2008, 10:03:22 PM
well I wouldn't call it dumbed down, but we all know if you get to technical.... Kerry... Gore...  That goes for any American viewership unfortunately...  So he hit right on imo...

as soon as I heard it would be stories, I predicted old sick couple, struggling teacher, a small business owner, and a farmer's story lol...

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Busted on October 29, 2008, 10:07:02 PM
Well, thats how much I cared. I thought he was on during the world series. Oh well!

Hey dumb fuck... the world series didnt start until 830 eastern... he bought it from 8-830... Do have a brain at all?
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Busted on October 29, 2008, 10:12:53 PM
So what is it, $250, 200 or 150k?

Do you know how to read? Can you comprehend information? 

250k and UP your taxes go up 3%

200k and BELOW you get a TAX CUT

Anyone with half a brain would realize that 200k-249,999 your taxes STAY THE SAME...

Coach you have to me the most retarded person in the land... People like you should not be allowed to breed, in less its a experiment to understand how people become dumb...







Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on October 29, 2008, 10:24:17 PM
Hey dumb fuck... the world series didnt start until 830 eastern... he bought it from 8-830... Do have a brain at all?
McCain actually said it today too... lol...
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: tonymctones on October 30, 2008, 01:10:22 AM
been drinking havent read anybodies replies but i really think it will hurt him more than help...imho
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 30, 2008, 05:14:11 AM
If it was made and planned weeks ago why wait until now to air it?

Is it possible they (Obama's campaign advisors) knew it would be close and wanted something to counter any momentum McCain might gain in the final days?




Here's how I heard an analysis go:
The Obama camp calculated with a slight drop towards the end.
Basically, there's a concern that the swing voters who are leaning Obama will get last minute worries and jump ship.

This 30 minute infomercial was about letting these voters getting to know Obama some more, show him in a way that voting for him becomes something perfectly normal.

We'll see how it played out. But I think the McCain camp made yet another mistake when doing an add - ABOUT Obama's ad.

McCain needs to get away from the image of someone who only talks about - Obama.
McCain needs to become the caretaker. 
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Grape Ape on October 30, 2008, 05:17:45 AM
I know one thing for sure.  I'm very happy that I can look at Obama and see the person, not the color and I feel sorry for those who are blinded by race and cannot see the person.

You know what, so can I. 

And yet I still disagree with his policies,  dislike his lack of experience and questionable ties, etc.....  But I'll still be labeled a racist for not voting for him.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 24KT on October 30, 2008, 05:45:28 AM
I missed it... been searching for it online to watch it..

Coach, you can't even understand what is said to you in plain English.
He said he would lower taxes on working families.
Granted there is a discrepancy in that he says families making less than $200K rather the $250K.


Busted, here's the infomercial below.

Enjoy!  :)


Obama's 30 minute message to America

part 1 -



part 2 -



part 3 -



part 4 -

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 24KT on October 30, 2008, 05:57:59 AM
Why would someone, who should be mopping the floor with McCain, have to run a 30 minute infomerical?

McCain is practically being charitable and giving it away yet Obama can't deliver the hard cross and knock him out.




Obama pwnd him in the debates. This should not be a close race.


I don't think it's a case of him having to run it, so much as it is that this man is prepared and determined. There is no doubt he's bringing change to Washington, ...even in the way political campaigns are run. we all thought Clinton was groundbreaking when he appeared on Arsenio and play the sax, ...but considering his campaigns use of the internet, text messaging, ads in video games, and now an infomercial, ...Obama knows how to reach people where they live.

As for Obama's standing in the polls being lower than expected, despite his messsage and his campaign, and despite McCain being such an incompetent, imo speaks volumes more about the electorate than about Obama.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: garebear on October 30, 2008, 06:17:16 AM

I don't think it's a case of him having to run it, so much as it is that this man is prepared and determined. There is no doubt he's bringing change to Washington, ...even in the way political campaigns are run. we all thought Clinton was groundbreaking when he appeared on Arsenio and play the sax, ...but considering his campaigns use of the internet, text messaging, ads in video games, and now an infomercial, ...Obama knows how to reach people where they live.

As for Obama's standing in the polls being lower than expected, despite his messsage and his campaign, and despite McCain being such an incompetent, imo speaks volumes more about the electorate than about Obama.
Plus he can slam dunk.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Benny B on October 30, 2008, 06:33:30 AM
been drinking havent read anybodies replies but i really think it will hurt him more than help...imho
figures...
Is that how you are going to make it through the next several days and election night?  ;D
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2008, 06:53:06 AM
I thought it was a little predictable, sappy, at first.

But I gotta admit - at the end of it - it was pretty emotional.

I know he's a capitalist just like McCain.  (he's not a socialist by definition, you do know that).

But the production value was very good, it was flawlessly timed with the live exit speech, and it did its purpose.  A lot of people used to watching sitcome crap at 8 pm was sucked into those emotional stories, and probably ended up with a more favorable optinion of Obama.

He is the Hollywood candidate.  If you want Hollywood driven politics he is your guy.  Leif Reifenstal also produced a marvelous film about a certain historical figure.

If you look at what he did BEFORE he started running for office than a whole different tale emerges.  Before he started running for office, Obama was even to the left of socialist Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2008, 06:54:47 AM
for the first black president or half black depending on how you view it he's doing better than I expected...  I wasn't sure it would happen in my lifetime and even now there are more videos on the net of "I can't vote for a black man" statements than I can count.  Even here on getbig, there have been many.  If you took Obama exactly how he is and made him white, he would probably be 15 to 20 points ahead in the polls.  Now I'm not trying to call racist in a divisive way, we all know how race has played out in America and I'm not pitting one race as being more or less at fault.  Just stating the facts that we all know all to well...

It doesnt hurt when the media is 100000% in the tank for you either.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 30, 2008, 07:03:26 AM
LOL @ all the excuses and whining coming from the McTaint supporters.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 30, 2008, 07:13:30 AM
It doesnt hurt when the media is 100000% in the tank for you either.
I think it's time for everyone to give CNN some cred.
They've long been accused of being 'liberal'. They denied Obama air time. But not only that. They brought McCain on to balance it up somewhat.

Independent journalism.   
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: headhuntersix on October 30, 2008, 07:21:10 AM
I think it's time for everyone to give CNN some cred.
They've long been accused of being 'liberal'. They denied Obama air time. But not only that. They brought McCain on to balance it up somewhat.

Independent journalism.   
n

They have been witnessing the shit at MSNBC and they already know that Fox news leans left. If they want to maintain any credibility they have to stay to the center and they have made a tremendous effort to do so. If u look at some of the big names on CNN, when they have been on other shows, they haven't pandered, they have done their best to stay neutral.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Decker on October 30, 2008, 07:28:23 AM
He is the Hollywood candidate.  If you want Hollywood driven politics he is your guy.  Leif Reifenstal also produced a marvelous film about a certain historical figure.

If you look at what he did BEFORE he started running for office than a whole different tale emerges.  Before he started running for office, Obama was even to the left of socialist Bernie Sanders.
Was Reagan a Hollywood candidate?

I mean the guy was an actor for 100 years plus he was president of the Screen Actor's Guild.

Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: headhuntersix on October 30, 2008, 07:30:07 AM
Sure...but how much has Hollywood changed since then...u can't compare the two now.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2008, 07:30:46 AM
Was Reagan a Hollywood candidate?

I mean the guy was an actor for 100 years plus he was president of the Screen Actor's Guild.



The difference is that Reagan has a long record prior to running for president.  Such as GOVERNOR of CA.

Reagan never had the media on his side like Obama does.  
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Decker on October 30, 2008, 07:32:46 AM
Sure...but how much has Hollywood changed since then...u can't compare the two now.
Fantasy is still fantasy.  Hollywood is fantasy.  Actors by trade are pretenders.  Reagan played the part of president to the hilt.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Decker on October 30, 2008, 07:34:29 AM
The difference is that Reagan has a long record prior to running for president.  Such as GOVERNOR of CA.

Reagan never had the media on his side like Obama does.  
The teflon president (it was coined for him) was not a media pariah.  He was the Gipper.  Well, no he wasn't...he was an actor.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: BayGBM on October 30, 2008, 07:52:37 AM
I didn't watch it.  ::)
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Busted on October 30, 2008, 08:46:09 AM
It doesnt hurt when the media is 100000% in the tank for you either.

Typical ignorant comment.... So fox news is in the tank for him? 5 Companies own MOST ALL THE MEDIA, and only 1 of them is a democratic supporter... but all the media is in the tank for Obama?

Have you ever thought that McCain and Palin fuck up so much they have no choice but to report the dumb shit they do so it makes it look like they are in the tank for obama?


You are almost as dumb as coach...
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: headhuntersix on October 30, 2008, 08:48:20 AM
Yeah...ur a product of the Lib media...u'r swallowing the Obama line fed to u hook line and sinker...good job busted.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2008, 09:31:28 AM
Typical ignorant comment.... So fox news is in the tank for him? 5 Companies own MOST ALL THE MEDIA, and only 1 of them is a democratic supporter... but all the media is in the tank for Obama?

Have you ever thought that McCain and Palin fuck up so much they have no choice but to report the dumb shit they do so it makes it look like they are in the tank for obama?


You are almost as dumb as coach...

When you consider the NYT, WP, LAT, BG, and the rest of newspapers, CNN, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, are all for ZERO, and you are going to talk about Fox?

Please - the media are on their knee pads for this bozo.

McCain has not run a good campaign, but the fawing over this clown is just sickening.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 30, 2008, 09:40:55 AM
Do you know how to read? Can you comprehend information? 

250k and UP your taxes go up 3%

200k and BELOW you get a TAX CUT

Anyone with half a brain would realize that 200k-249,999 your taxes STAY THE SAME...

Coach you have to me the most retarded person in the land... People like you should not be allowed to breed, in less its a experiment to understand how people become dumb...










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RUSH: The Wayne Huizenga example, ladies and gentlemen: "Dolphins owner H. Wayne Huizenga said Sunday no date has been set for selling up to 45 percent more of the team ... but the presidential election is among the issues weighing on his decision. That's because a Barack Obama administration is expected to mean higher capital-gains taxes. 'He wants to double the capital gains tax, or almost double it,' Huizenga said. 'I'd rather give it to charity than to Obama.  If you do it this year or you do it next year, the difference is humongous because of the taxes,' Huizenga said." Now, the dirty little secret is that businesses larger and smaller than the Dolphins are going through this same exercise.  A lot of businesses around the country are now asking themselves, "When do we shut this down? When do we sell it?  Sooner? Soon?  When do we do it?"

Obama's thugs say flat-out that taxes are going up.  In the teeth of an economic slowdown, we get guaranteed tax increases, businesses are being dumped in anticipation of Obama's presidency -- and these people are contemplating doing this.  You know what's ironic about it is that these businesses are the business that employ people, and many of the people who work in these companies have been infested with this whole silly notion of "economic justice," meaning that there's a great equalizer, some great powerful force that can come in and take away from the people who are too rich -- and who have no right to it; they don't deserve it -- and somehow give it to everybody else.  There's an interesting statistic, and we're almost at this point. 

You could confiscate -- not tax, you could confiscate -- the wealth of the upper 5% or the upper 10%. You could confiscate the wealth of the upper 40% of the people in this country. You could do it one time only because they'd have nothing left -- and you could run the government for less than a year, if you confiscated their wealth.  There simply isn't enough private wealth to take a portion of it and make everybody else in this country rich, which is what socialism implies.  What the social justice, the economic justice, the way they use the term in order to sell it, it's very clever rhetoric, but it doesn't end up working that way.  Everybody ends up being taxed because there isn't enough private wealth generated for the government to take it every year and make a substantial difference in the lives of people who are not wealthy, it just isn't the case.  Never has been the case. 

But the people at the lower end or middle end of the scale don't know this because they keep hearing about the income gap widening and the wage gap widening and they think that all the wealth is in the hands of a few people.  They're very, very, very susceptible to the argument.  It goes back to this notion that once people decide, once they learn that they can vote themselves goodies; then you start down the dangerous path.  By the way, for those of you who think that you're okay with Obama's tax plan because you earn less than $250,000, and he said that 95% of Americans are going to get a tax cut, and if you make less than 250,000, you have nothing to worry about: A, first thing that's wrong because there are some tax cuts that are going to expire in 2010, and when they expire the tax rate's going to go up for everybody which equals a tax increase. You're going to have to less disposable income.  Here's Obama July 7th in St. Louis.

OBAMA:  If Senator McCain wants a debate about taxes in this campaign, then it is a debate I have (sic) happy to have, because if you're a family making less than $250,000 a year, my plan will not raise your taxes.

RUSH:  Later in the campaign -- this is just recently -- very slyly, very slyly, Obama reduced the figure.

OBAMA:  If you have a job, pay taxes, and make less than $200,000 a year, you'll get a tax cut.

RUSH:  Whoa! So $250,000 has become $200,000.  Yesterday Joe Biden in a TV interview on WNEP-TV, Channel 16 in Scranton Wilkes-Barre lowered it again.

BIDEN:  It should go like it used to. It should go to middle-class people, people making under $150,000 a year.

RUSH:  Now, you can say, "Well, you know, this is Joe. He has these rhetorical flourishes and he may not be up to speed on what the campaign is doing," but it's come down from 250, and then went to $200,000, and yesterday Biden said you're cool if you make less than 150.  Anybody over that is going to get soaked.   
 
 
 
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I have plenty more if you don't believe this. Now go call Joe the "PLUBNER" and get "HEALTY".......dumb SOB!
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: 240 is Back on October 30, 2008, 09:43:25 AM
I am not too concerned if Wayne Huizenga only earns $450 million on his sale, and not the $550 millino he planned on.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 30, 2008, 09:52:13 AM
I am not too concerned if Wayne Huizenga only earns $450 million on his sale, and not the $550 millino he planned on.


Not concerned about Huizenga either, just the highlighted. Seems Biden and Obama can't get their stories straight.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2008, 09:52:52 AM
I am not too concerned if Wayne Huizenga only earns $450 million on his sale, and not the $550 millino he planned on.


The bottom line is that Obama were to be elected and let the Bush tax cuts expire, everyone waho pays taxes would get a tax increase.  

Obama is lying about this.  By simply letting the Bush tax cuts expire everyone is getting a tax increase.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: The Coach on October 30, 2008, 09:57:49 AM
The bottom line is that Obama were to be elected and let the Bush tax cuts expire, everyone waho pays taxes would get a tax increase.  

Obama is lying about this.  By simply letting the Bush tax cuts expire everyone is getting a tax increase.

They know he's lying, just like when he lied about not taking public campaign financing. But even when out spending McCain 4-1 there is still a good chance he might lose. Wouldn't that be a kick in balls ;D?
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 30, 2008, 10:02:57 AM
They know he's lying, just like when he lied about not taking public campaign financing. But even when out spending McCain 4-1 there is still a good chance he might lose. Wouldn't that be a kick in balls ;D?


The economic ignorance of these cult members is amazing.  They simply cannot realize the fact that when the Bush tax cuts expire, EVERYONE is getting a tax increase.  The amount of money ZERO is offering as a tax cut to those below 250k does not offset the increase once the rate re-set.

He has been completely dishonest about this fact, as well as almost everything else. 
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: garebear on October 30, 2008, 09:43:51 PM

The economic ignorance of these cult members is amazing.  They simply cannot realize the fact that when the Bush tax cuts expire, EVERYONE is getting a tax increase.  The amount of money ZERO is offering as a tax cut to those below 250k does not offset the increase once the rate re-set.

He has been completely dishonest about this fact, as well as almost everything else. 
So...who are you voting for?
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 31, 2008, 04:16:18 AM
So...who are you voting for?

I wanted Romney, would prefer Bloomberg (I live in NYC), but am voting for McCain.
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: Hedgehog on October 31, 2008, 06:25:07 AM
I don't understand why the discussion is about tax cuts.
Tax cuts that neither candidate can finance, I might add.

Newsflash:
THERE IS STILL A BUDGET DEFICIT!!

How can anyone talk about cutting taxes when there is no money for it.

Just as Bush- totally fiscally irresponsible.

Balancing the budget? Is that just something for real persons?
If tax cuts that aren't financed, that should be something good - getting rid of irresponsible budget policies should be a prime concern.

Slash the biggest spendings, like the war in Iraq, slim the defence and put an effort into getting good working relation with Russia, so less money have to be spent on military bases in Europe. 
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: garebear on October 31, 2008, 08:36:17 AM
I wanted Romney, would prefer Bloomberg (I live in NYC), but am voting for McCain.

Will you vote for Obama if I promise to give you a big, puffy loaf of bread?
Title: Re: What did you think of the Obama Infomercial?
Post by: w8tlftr on October 31, 2008, 02:28:31 PM
Will you vote for Obama if I promise to give you a big, puffy loaf of bread?

It's not really a loaf of bread, is it?  :P