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I was surfing around YouTube and found this. For those who like the mass vs. aesthetics debate.
From the 1989 Royal Rumble:
Part 1
Who says bodybuilding can't draw big crowds? ;D
Notice that (in part 1) Jesse Ventura makes a reference to Arnold Schwarzenegger winning the Olympia.
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Rude had toothpic legs, tho.
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Rude had toothpic legs, tho.
and no fuckin ass
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That shit was fucking hilarious ;D
Love Rude's hair and stache.
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cocaine is a hell of a drug
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Rude explains what to look for, before doing the double-biceps pose. But, even Gorilla Monsoon says that Rude's biceps don't have that much peak to them.
Interesting!!!
"You never saw Arnold Schwarzenegger pound his chest and jump up and down, when he won Olympia!!!" - Jesse Ventura.
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Rude explains what to look for, before doing the double-biceps pose. But, even Gorilla Monsoon says that Rude's biceps don't have that much peak to them.
Interesting!!!
"You never saw Arnold Schwarzenegger pound his chest and jump up and down, when he won Olympia!!!" - Jesse Ventura.
Pumping Iron drawed a crowd because it had the charismatic and body-beautiful Arnold Schwarzenegger in the lead role of a docu-drama that didn't focus solely on the prejudging or finals of a contest. It had drama that LEAD UPTO the finals, and that (apart from the classic 1970's physiques) made the contest part much more watchable. Did I mention Arnold Schwarzenegger was in the lead role? ;)
This WWE show drew because it had two already established megastars who were aesthetically pleasing and again, had drama - the posedown and matches that they had at the time. Rude was known as a ladies man, Warrior as a nut job, and both had amazing charm, charisma and personality.
Tell me, how does bodybuilding fit into this again? ;)
What bodybuilding has is the free posing routines. People love that. It's the prejudging that they find boring, unless you're a hardcore fan.
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Very unimpressive.
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Rudes Meltzeresque mustache and feathered hair was AWESOME!
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Pumping Iron drawed a crowd because it had the charismatic and body-beautiful Arnold Schwarzenegger in the lead role of a docu-drama that didn't focus solely on the prejudging or finals of a contest. It had drama that LEAD UPTO the finals, and that (apart from the classic 1970's physiques) made the contest part much more watchable. Did I mention Arnold Schwarzenegger was in the lead role? ;)
This WWE show drew because it had two already established megastars who were aesthetically pleasing and again, had drama - the posedown and matches that they had at the time. Rude was known as a ladies man, Warrior as a nut job, and both had amazing charm, charisma and personality.
Tell me, how does bodybuilding fit into this again? ;)
What bodybuilding has is the free posing routines. People love that. It's the prejudging that they find boring, unless you're a hardcore fan.
I don't think you got the sentiment. Ventura wasn't criticizing Arnold Schawarzenegger (when he made that statement); he was criticizing the Ultimate Warrior, for his wild antics. The point was that Schwarzenegger was fluid and graceful during his routine, instead of wild and orangutan-ish, like Warrior.
Notwithstanding that this "Super Posedown" was merely the catalyst to a storyline feud between Intercontential Champion and the "Jesse 'The Body' Award Winner, I thought this was funny and interesting (especially since I hadn't seen it in several years). Many people will tell you that they got into bodybuilding by watching wrestling, because, without cable, pro wrestling was one of the few places where you could regularly see guys with bodybuilders' physiques.
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and no fuckin ass
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Rude had toothpic legs, tho.
Yeah but I will guarantee that there wasn't a dry panty in that whole place that nite. Thats the type of body that women find sexy and the type of body that bodybuilding should go back towards (with some legs added in of course ;D)
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Rude was a beast, he used to superset 135 pound shoulder presses with 30 pound lateral raises.
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Rude was a beast, he used to superset 135 pound shoulder presses with 30 pound lateral raises.
One of my clients knew Rick Rude, he was actually a great family man and hell of a nice guy. Its sad that drugs eventually caught up to him
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Rude was a genuine tough guy too and was a bouncer in Minnesota with Hawk, Animal and Barry Darsaw (Demolition Smash) thats quite a formidable door crew IMO!
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Rude AAS stack was usually Deca, Test and Primo
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I don't think you got the sentiment. Ventura wasn't criticizing Arnold Schawarzenegger (when he made that statement); he was criticizing the Ultimate Warrior, for his wild antics. The point was that Schwarzenegger was fluid and graceful during his routine, instead of wild and orangutan-ish, like Warrior.
Notwithstanding that this "Super Posedown" was merely the catalyst to a storyline feud between Intercontential Champion and the "Jesse 'The Body' Award Winner, I thought this was funny and interesting (especially since I hadn't seen it in several years). Many people will tell you that they got into bodybuilding by watching wrestling, because, without cable, pro wrestling was one of the few places where you could regularly see guys with bodybuilders' physiques.
I got what you were saying, but my point was that bodybuilding didn't draw that big crowd to the WWE show - the wrestlers did.
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Rude was a beast, he used to superset 135 pound shoulder presses with 30 pound lateral raises.
bullshit, post a pic.
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I got what you were saying, but my point was that bodybuilding didn't draw that big crowd to the WWE show - the wrestlers did.
I know that. That blurb was my attempt at being humorous.
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I know that. That blurb was my attempt at being humorous.
LOL, well I actually quoted the wrong post. Would have made more sense to quote the first one... anyway, good posts. Warrior was actually a competitive BBer at one point in time, so far back he even had short, undied hair. ;)
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haha i remember watching this in 89 and thinking rick rude was super huge
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bullshit, post a pic.
There may be some confusion, here. Is he referring to a 135-lb barbell press or a shoulder presses with 135-lb dumbbells?
If it’s the latter, that doesn’t seem that far-fetched, for Rude, who looked to be a lean 245-250. He was often announced to be 252 lbs.
haha i remember watching this in 89 and thinking rick rude was super huge
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He had what Road Warrior/LOD member Animal called "pretty boy" muscles. I used to think that, if you wanted to attract the ladies, your physique had to match that of the "Ravishing One". My favorite part of his match was when Bobby "The Brain" Heenan picked a girl out of the audience and asked her how thrilled she was to be in the presence of "Ravishing" Rick Rude. Once the girl answered "Yes" to all of Heenan's questions, Rude gave her the second version of the "Rude Awakening" (i.e. slobbering her down in the middle of the ring); and, while she's swooning in near-orgasmic bliss on the mat, with Rude was gyrating over her, Heenan would declare "We have another winner!"
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The ladies loved Rick Rude's physique! That guy had an awesome gimmic.
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There may be some confusion, here. Is he referring to a 135-lb barbell press or a shoulder presses with 135-lb dumbbells?
If it’s the latter, that doesn’t seem that far-fetched, for Rude, who looked to be a lean 245-250. He was often announced to be 252 lbs.
He had what Road Warrior/LOD member Animal called "pretty boy" muscles. I used to think that, if you wanted to attract the ladies, your physique had to match that of the "Ravishing One". My favorite part of his match was when Bobby "The Brain" Heenan picked a girl out of the audience and asked her how thrilled she was to be in the presence of "Ravishing" Rick Rude. Once the girl answered "Yes" to all of Heenan's questions, Rude gave her the second version of the "Rude Awakening" (i.e. slobbering her down in the middle of the ring); and, while she's swooning in near-orgasmic bliss on the mat, with Rude was gyrating over her, Heenan would declare "We have another winner!"
i meant barbell presses, he was an animal, those arms looked at least 16 and a half inches and the legs.......my Lord they must have been 20 inches around. :o
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Classic. Brings back memories.
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Rude AAS stack was usually Deca, Test and Primo
I read somewhere that it was parabolin and primobolin.
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EARLY on in mid eighties he had more of lean physique good abs and chest ,good bis,delts were allright too he was skinny relative to warrior,but later on and into ninties he thickened up considerably .
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In those clips he was about 240 @ 6"2/6"3 not that small..
Just looks thin compared to warrior who was at least 20lbs. bigger
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I met Triple H in 2002. Impressive as hell.
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rick rude brought the more aesthetic look to wrestling much like gaspari popularized shredded glutes in Bodybuilding
note: I didn't say that gaspari introduced shredded glutes; I said that he "popularized" it (that is, imho)
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i meant barbell presses, he was an animal, those arms looked at least 16 and a half inches and the legs.......my Lord they must have been 20 inches around. :o
Having seen Rude in person and having seen what a 161/2 arm resembles, I can say that Rude's arms were much bigger than 161/2 inches. Same goes for his legs, being larger than 20 inches.
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WRESTLING has changed dramatically from those days back then u had many good builds like rude,warrior,davey boy smith,dynamite kid was short and big and hard with good seperation,atlas,rocky johnson was big boy with good shape,orndoff,then u had to kiss hogans soft ass body the announcers had to kiss up.now u need good writers and could be sm as shit and as long as u follow story and sway the fans your a star,batista is old school big as dude ,lean,takes his job seriously.cena too.
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Damn! Has it been nearly 20 years?! :o
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Damn! Has it been nearly 20 years?! :o
pollux - if you get a chance, could you post that ronnie coileman cycle you promised 3 years ago.
we're all still waiting - thanks.
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There may be some confusion, here. Is he referring to a 135-lb barbell press or a shoulder presses with 135-lb dumbbells?
If it’s the latter, that doesn’t seem that far-fetched, for Rude, who looked to be a lean 245-250. He was often announced to be 252 lbs.
He had what Road Warrior/LOD member Animal called "pretty boy" muscles. I used to think that, if you wanted to attract the ladies, your physique had to match that of the "Ravishing One". My favorite part of his match was when Bobby "The Brain" Heenan picked a girl out of the audience and asked her how thrilled she was to be in the presence of "Ravishing" Rick Rude. Once the girl answered "Yes" to all of Heenan's questions, Rude gave her the second version of the "Rude Awakening" (i.e. slobbering her down in the middle of the ring); and, while she's swooning in near-orgasmic bliss on the mat, with Rude was gyrating over her, Heenan would declare "We have another winner!"
Here's an example of the both versions of the "Rude Awakening"
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Thought I'd bring this back up, just for fun's sake!!!
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and no fuckin ass
;D
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I was surfing around YouTube and found this. For those who like the mass vs. aesthetics debate.
From the 1989 Royal Rumble:
Part 1
Who says bodybuilding can't draw big crowds? ;D
Notice that (in part 1) Jesse Ventura makes a reference to Arnold Schwarzenegger winning the Olympia.
Clavicles just like Phil Heath.
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Clavicles just like Phil Heath.
Which one, Ravishing Rick or Warrior?
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hahaha so classic.
jesse was the best
(as rude is choking out warrior) - "look at that most muscular on Rude. Look at that definition!"
hahahahaha
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Oiled men in thongs
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I met Triple H in 2002. Impressive as hell.
One of the best I've ever seen HHH was on that MTV show. Who wants to be the next WWE star or something? I forget the name of it? Anyway HHH came on to talk with the parcipitants and he was freakin massive! All the competitors were blown away by his size. Described as "a wall of muscle".
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mean Gene was fucking awesome...I think if he would have went with the full blown Hitler stash, it would have brought his awesomeness up to the full limit of awesomeness...
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I remember reading something about the ultimate warrior being exhausted by the time he reached the ring since he always sprinted full speed as part of his entrance gimmick. His matches were pretty short since he couldn't manage to wrestle for long periods due to poor cardio
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The ladies loved Rick Rude's physique! That guy had an awesome gimmic.
Better then the Alex23 gimmick Scott?
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Oiled men in thongs
What video are you watching? Rude has on long tights; Warrior has regular wrestling trunks.
I remember reading something about the ultimate warrior being exhausted by the time he reached the ring since he always sprinted full speed as part of his entrance gimmick. His matches were pretty short since he couldn't manage to wrestle for long periods due to poor cardio
Since he's sprinting to the ring, he's going to be winded. As for long matches (or lack thereof), Warrior's character was one that demolished most of his opponents. So, his matches weren't designed to be that long. With that said, some of his best matches (i.e.WrestleMania VI, against Hulk Hogan; WrestleMania VII, vs. "Macho King" Randy Savage) were quite lenghty and quite good.
If you've seen "The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior", the consensus seems to be Warrior's lack of pure wrestling skills had more to do with his short matches than his lack of cardiovascular conditioning.
"Between the music, and his sprinting, and his attire, he provided a lot of sizzle.......prior to the bell" - Jim Ross
In reference to Ultimate Warrior's feud with "Ravishing" Rick Rude:
"The Rick Rude/Warrior feud showed that Rude had the patience of Job. I'm sure there were nights where Rude wanted to put his fist through a wall, due to the lack of in-ring ability that his opponent had." - Jim Ross
Regarding his feud with Papa Shango:
"What impressed me about that feud: It was so well done, in terms of promotion, the hype and everything. But the matches were.....UGGGGH....My goodness!!! HORRIBLE!!!" - "Mean" Gene Okerlund.
"You had to do those things with Warrior, because you couldn't get it bell to bell. You had to go elsewhere for the drama and storytelling" - Jim Ross
"He took the absolute shorcut show-business route to fame and fortune, as opposed to learning an art an perfecting a craft, that the better performers strive to do, each and every night." - Vince McMahon
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One of the best I've ever seen HHH was on that MTV show. Who wants to be the next WWE star or something? I forget the name of it? Anyway HHH came on to talk with the parcipitants and he was freakin massive! All the competitors were blown away by his size. Described as "a wall of muscle".
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"He took the absolute shorcut show-business route to fame and fortune, as opposed to learning an art an perfecting a craft, that the better performers strive to do, each and every night." - Vince McMahon
oh the irony of Vince saying this, since he was the one that wanted to push Warrior to the moon, oh, about 6 months after hiring him on.. ::)
Vince knew damn well that to be a star at that time it wasn't about in ring ability or mic skills, it was about the persona, the charisma, the flare.
Warrior had it in spades and thats why he became so popular.
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It doesn't look like Rick Rude was on steroids.
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damn. thx
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oh the irony of Vince saying this, since he was the one that wanted to push Warrior to the moon, oh, about 6 months after hiring him on.. ::)
I wouldn't go that far. According to Bruce Prichard (Brother Love), WWF put the still-Dingo Warrior on the 3rd card, which meant he got very little TV time. They saw him as a talent for the future. In fact, they were still struggling to find him a new name, because they didn't dig the "Dingo Warrior" moniker at all. His new name came virtually by accident. There were too many "Warriors" in wrestling at that time: The Road Warriors, Kerry Von Erich, the "Modern-Day Warrior", etc.
Per Prichard's words, "Vince wasn't too interested in having another 'warrior'. And, in describing what he saw in a character for Jim Helwig, he combined everything, saying 'He's so much more than the Road Warriors; he's more than the Modern-Day Warrior; he's...he's the ULTIMATE WARRIOR!!!!' And, Vince just stopped for a second, then said, 'That's it!!! He's the Ultimate Warrior'".
Vince knew damn well that to be a star at that time it wasn't about in ring ability or mic skills, it was about the persona, the charisma, the flare.
Warrior had it in spades and thats why he became so popular.
That he did. But he wasn't the only one. Compare Warrior to someone with whom he had one of his best feuds, "Macho King" Randy Savage.
He and Warrior were quite similar. But Savage had the better in-ring technique. Even Hulk Hogan, who isn't on the best of terms with Savage, was quite complementary about Savage on the "Self-Destruction....." DVD.
"Randy Savage is a detail freak. And Randy Savage made sure....or at least, the old Randy Savage that I knew during the heyday....that everything was impeccable. He stragetically mapped out every situation in the ring. So, the Warrior was in really good hands with Randy. That may have been one of his best storylines and feuds with Randy, because Randy made it easy on everybody."
McMahon thought the Ultimate Warrior had it in spades too, which is why he brought him back in 1996.
"I thought it was the right thing to do for our audience. He still had some juice; he still had 'it', in terms of charisma, still could sell tickets. A lot people kept asking me, 'Why did you keep bringing this nutcase back?' ".
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The ladies loved Rick Rude's physique! That guy had an awesome gimmic.
They took down the video of Rude, beating up a human punching bag and giving a young lady the other "Rude Awakening".
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Wow, great video!
Triple H is the man!
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I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.
its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.
why?
Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.
chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.
if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."
the WWE got owned by warrior in court
lol
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I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.
its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.
why?
Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.
chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.
if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."
the WWE got owned by warrior in court
lol
Helwig didn't develop the name, per se; remember that he was still known as the Dingo Warrior, when he arrived at WWE. And, they were going to ditch the name altogether.
Plus, it was McMahon who helped market the character and his employees (Jim Johnston, in particular), who came up with his now-famous theme music.
If Helwig made up the character and had the rights to the name from the start, he wouldn’t have had to change his name to “Warrior”, in the first place. That was his attempt to co-op the character without the WWE’s permission. If it were his from the beginning, he could have gone right to WCW, after he got fired again in 1992, as the Ultimate Warrior. Instead, he changed his name in 1993.
As I recall, the issue had more to do with his return in 1996. I think Warrior wanted, as part of the agreement, the eventual rights to the name and the promotion of his wrestling school, Warrior University, in Arizona. The reason McMahon claimed he fired Warrior then is because Warrior missed several dates where he was scheduled to appear, using his estranged father's death as an excuse.
Warrior claimed that McMahon was using his likeness and certain trademarks, while leaving him out of the equation (hence the reason for his no-show, combined with the issue regarding his father). McMahon claimed that, by not showing up where he was advertised, Warrior breached his contract. Therefore, McMahon didn't have to give him the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" character.
As for being "owned", that's a bit of a stretch, especially when he went to WCW, only to last a few months, before being released as well.
"The Ultimate Warrior, in WCW, was out of control and uncontrolled; there was no supervision for him. At WWE, Vince called the shots; the agents that worked with him with promotions and one thing and the other, had him under control. So, on the one hand, you had this wild man at WCW, who has no direction. And on the other hand, you have this wild man in WWE who DOES have direction and who also had success." - "Mean" Gene Okerlund
"He thought he was going to make a fortune, when he got from under the WWE umbrella. That didn't happen. Hopefully, he looks back on his career and thinks, 'You know. Maybe these guys really helped me a lot more than I thought.' " - Vince McMahon
Warrior, last time I checked, was wrestling in some bush-league organziation in Spain.
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I do think that had Warrior not been so crazy, he could have done a lot more with his career than he did..
this guy connected with fans in a way that only a few others can claim to have done.
say what you will about his in ring ability, but the man was popular as hell for a good while and sold tickets..
the fans loved the character.
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Rude was a class act. The Warrior was and is a world-class douche.
That said: You won't look this good when you're 49.
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And when Triple H went on Bob's radio show, he said that Achim Albrecht, during his brief time in the wrestling business, was surprised to learn how overwhelmingly difficult it is to maintain a physique while being on the road as relentlessly as WWE workers are kept there.
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And when Triple H went on Bob's radio show, he said that Achim Albrecht, during his brief time in the wrestling business, was surprised to learn how overwhelmingly difficult it is to maintain a physique while being on the road as relentlessly as WWE workers are kept there.
Other bodybuilders have found that out the hard way, as well, namely Paul Dillett and Mat Duval. Both men tried their hand at professional wrestling (Dillett with WCW, Duval with TNA). But, the beatings became too much for them. So they called it a day.
Some guys don't seem to have a problem, size-wise. Glen Jacobs (Kane) stated on an interview that he tried to keep his weight DOWN, in order to move better in the ring. And, he's well over 300 lbs.
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Other bodybuilders have found that out the hard way, as well, namely Paul Dillett and Mat Duval. Both men tried their hand at professional wrestling (Dillett with WCW, Duval with TNA). But, the beatings became too much for them. So they called it a day.
Some guys don't seem to have a problem, size-wise. Glen Jacobs (Kane) stated on an interview that he tried to keep his weight DOWN, in order to move better in the ring. And, he's well over 300 lbs.
DOnt forget Aaron Baker as well and Ian Harrison
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I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.
its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.
why?
Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.
chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.
if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."
the WWE got owned by warrior in court
lol
They also got pwnd by the original WWF(world wildlife Fund)
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DOnt forget Aaron Baker as well and Ian Harrison
I think Baker got a tryout with WCW, as well.
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I had to bring this one back up, since someone posted the Helmsley vs. Steiner RAW posedown.
;D
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I had to bring this one back up, since someone posted the Helmsley vs. Steiner RAW posedown.
;D
The YouTube one got deleted. But, I found it on DailyMotion:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x62lm5_ravishing-rick-rude-vs-ultimate-war_sport
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They also got pwnd by the original WWF(world wildlife Fund)
Hahahah,that's right!! :)