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Title: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on November 01, 2008, 06:38:16 PM
I was surfing around YouTube and found this. For those who like the mass vs. aesthetics debate.

From the 1989 Royal Rumble:

Part 1






Who says bodybuilding can't draw big crowds?  ;D

Notice that (in part 1) Jesse Ventura makes a reference to Arnold Schwarzenegger winning the Olympia.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: gymguy on November 01, 2008, 07:11:07 PM
Rude had toothpic legs, tho.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: bigdumbbell on November 01, 2008, 07:12:03 PM
Rude had toothpic legs, tho.
and no fuckin ass
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Wiggs on November 01, 2008, 07:13:13 PM
That shit was fucking hilarious ;D

Love Rude's hair and stache.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: fathead on November 01, 2008, 07:16:49 PM
cocaine is a hell of a drug
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on November 01, 2008, 07:59:45 PM
Rude explains what to look for, before doing the double-biceps pose. But, even Gorilla Monsoon says that Rude's biceps don't have that much peak to them.

Interesting!!!

"You never saw Arnold Schwarzenegger pound his chest and jump up and down, when he won Olympia!!!" - Jesse Ventura.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: GoneAway on November 01, 2008, 08:42:52 PM
Rude explains what to look for, before doing the double-biceps pose. But, even Gorilla Monsoon says that Rude's biceps don't have that much peak to them.

Interesting!!!

"You never saw Arnold Schwarzenegger pound his chest and jump up and down, when he won Olympia!!!" - Jesse Ventura.

Pumping Iron drawed a crowd because it had the charismatic and body-beautiful Arnold Schwarzenegger in the lead role of a docu-drama that didn't focus solely on the prejudging or finals of a contest. It had drama that LEAD UPTO the finals, and that (apart from the classic 1970's physiques) made the contest part much more watchable. Did I mention Arnold Schwarzenegger was in the lead role? ;)

This WWE show drew because it had two already established megastars who were aesthetically pleasing and again, had drama - the posedown and matches that they had at the time. Rude was known as a ladies man, Warrior as a nut job, and both had amazing charm, charisma and personality.

Tell me, how does bodybuilding fit into this again? ;)

What bodybuilding has is the free posing routines. People love that. It's the prejudging that they find boring, unless you're a hardcore fan.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: liberalismo on November 01, 2008, 08:44:18 PM
Very unimpressive.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: flexingtonsteele on November 01, 2008, 11:59:05 PM
Rudes Meltzeresque mustache and feathered hair was AWESOME!
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on November 02, 2008, 07:34:01 AM
Pumping Iron drawed a crowd because it had the charismatic and body-beautiful Arnold Schwarzenegger in the lead role of a docu-drama that didn't focus solely on the prejudging or finals of a contest. It had drama that LEAD UPTO the finals, and that (apart from the classic 1970's physiques) made the contest part much more watchable. Did I mention Arnold Schwarzenegger was in the lead role? ;)

This WWE show drew because it had two already established megastars who were aesthetically pleasing and again, had drama - the posedown and matches that they had at the time. Rude was known as a ladies man, Warrior as a nut job, and both had amazing charm, charisma and personality.

Tell me, how does bodybuilding fit into this again? ;)

What bodybuilding has is the free posing routines. People love that. It's the prejudging that they find boring, unless you're a hardcore fan.

I don't think you got the sentiment. Ventura wasn't criticizing Arnold Schawarzenegger (when he made that statement); he was criticizing the Ultimate Warrior, for his wild antics. The point was that Schwarzenegger was fluid and graceful during his routine, instead of wild and orangutan-ish, like Warrior.

Notwithstanding that this "Super Posedown" was merely the catalyst to a storyline feud between Intercontential Champion and the "Jesse 'The Body' Award Winner, I thought this was funny and interesting (especially since I hadn't seen it in several years). Many people will tell you that they got into bodybuilding by watching wrestling, because, without cable, pro wrestling was one of the few places where you could regularly see guys with bodybuilders' physiques.

Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: QuakerOats on November 02, 2008, 07:40:28 AM
and no fuckin ass
:-X
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: JasonBourne22 on November 02, 2008, 08:08:29 AM
Rude had toothpic legs, tho.
Yeah but I will guarantee that there wasn't a dry panty in that whole place that nite. Thats the type of body that women find sexy and the type of body that bodybuilding should go back towards (with some legs added in of course ;D)
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: QuakerOats on November 02, 2008, 08:10:51 AM
Rude was a beast, he used to superset 135 pound shoulder presses with 30 pound lateral raises.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: JasonBourne22 on November 02, 2008, 08:13:25 AM
Rude was a beast, he used to superset 135 pound shoulder presses with 30 pound lateral raises.
One of my clients knew Rick Rude, he was actually a great family man and hell of a nice guy. Its sad that drugs eventually caught up to him
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Ruffneck on November 02, 2008, 12:27:16 PM
Rude was a genuine tough guy too and was a bouncer in Minnesota with Hawk, Animal and Barry Darsaw (Demolition Smash) thats quite a formidable door crew IMO!
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Schmoe Patrol on November 02, 2008, 12:32:01 PM
Rude AAS stack was usually Deca, Test and Primo
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: GoneAway on November 02, 2008, 05:08:24 PM
I don't think you got the sentiment. Ventura wasn't criticizing Arnold Schawarzenegger (when he made that statement); he was criticizing the Ultimate Warrior, for his wild antics. The point was that Schwarzenegger was fluid and graceful during his routine, instead of wild and orangutan-ish, like Warrior.

Notwithstanding that this "Super Posedown" was merely the catalyst to a storyline feud between Intercontential Champion and the "Jesse 'The Body' Award Winner, I thought this was funny and interesting (especially since I hadn't seen it in several years). Many people will tell you that they got into bodybuilding by watching wrestling, because, without cable, pro wrestling was one of the few places where you could regularly see guys with bodybuilders' physiques.



I got what you were saying, but my point was that bodybuilding didn't draw that big crowd to the WWE show - the wrestlers did.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Fatpanda on November 02, 2008, 06:05:00 PM
Rude was a beast, he used to superset 135 pound shoulder presses with 30 pound lateral raises.

bullshit, post a pic.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on November 02, 2008, 06:09:11 PM
I got what you were saying, but my point was that bodybuilding didn't draw that big crowd to the WWE show - the wrestlers did.

I know that. That blurb was my attempt at being humorous.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: GoneAway on November 02, 2008, 06:30:46 PM
I know that. That blurb was my attempt at being humorous.

LOL, well I actually quoted the wrong post. Would have made more sense to quote the first one... anyway, good posts. Warrior was actually a competitive BBer at one point in time, so far back he even had short, undied hair. ;)
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Earl1972 on November 02, 2008, 06:42:35 PM
haha i remember watching this in 89 and thinking rick rude was super huge

E
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on November 03, 2008, 07:39:08 AM
bullshit, post a pic.

There may be some confusion, here. Is he referring to a 135-lb barbell press or a shoulder presses with 135-lb dumbbells?

If it’s the latter, that doesn’t seem that far-fetched, for Rude, who looked to be a lean 245-250. He was often announced to be 252 lbs.

haha i remember watching this in 89 and thinking rick rude was super huge

E

He had what Road Warrior/LOD member Animal called "pretty boy" muscles. I used to think that, if you wanted to attract the ladies, your physique had to match that of the "Ravishing One". My favorite part of his match was when Bobby "The Brain" Heenan picked a girl out of the audience and asked her how thrilled she was to be in the presence of "Ravishing" Rick Rude. Once the girl answered "Yes" to all of Heenan's questions, Rude gave her the second version of the "Rude Awakening" (i.e. slobbering her down in the middle of the ring); and, while she's swooning in near-orgasmic bliss on the mat, with Rude was gyrating over her, Heenan would declare "We have another winner!"
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: ScottWelch on November 03, 2008, 07:55:17 AM
The ladies loved Rick Rude's physique! That guy had an awesome gimmic.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: QuakerOats on November 03, 2008, 07:57:41 AM
There may be some confusion, here. Is he referring to a 135-lb barbell press or a shoulder presses with 135-lb dumbbells?

If it’s the latter, that doesn’t seem that far-fetched, for Rude, who looked to be a lean 245-250. He was often announced to be 252 lbs.

He had what Road Warrior/LOD member Animal called "pretty boy" muscles. I used to think that, if you wanted to attract the ladies, your physique had to match that of the "Ravishing One". My favorite part of his match was when Bobby "The Brain" Heenan picked a girl out of the audience and asked her how thrilled she was to be in the presence of "Ravishing" Rick Rude. Once the girl answered "Yes" to all of Heenan's questions, Rude gave her the second version of the "Rude Awakening" (i.e. slobbering her down in the middle of the ring); and, while she's swooning in near-orgasmic bliss on the mat, with Rude was gyrating over her, Heenan would declare "We have another winner!"
i meant barbell presses, he was an animal, those arms looked at least 16 and a half inches and the legs.......my Lord they must have been 20 inches around. :o
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Rimbaud on November 03, 2008, 07:58:41 AM
Classic. Brings back memories.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Playboy on November 03, 2008, 08:09:36 AM
Rude AAS stack was usually Deca, Test and Primo
I read somewhere that it was parabolin and primobolin.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: njflex on November 03, 2008, 09:05:37 AM
EARLY on in mid eighties he had more of lean physique good abs and chest ,good bis,delts were allright too he was skinny relative to warrior,but later on and into ninties he thickened up considerably .
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Captain Equipoise on November 03, 2008, 10:17:55 AM
In those clips he was about 240 @ 6"2/6"3 not that small..

Just looks thin compared to warrior who was at least 20lbs. bigger
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: mass 04 on November 03, 2008, 10:18:56 AM
I met Triple H in 2002. Impressive as hell.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: johnnynoname on November 03, 2008, 12:47:29 PM
rick rude brought the more aesthetic look to wrestling much like gaspari popularized shredded glutes in Bodybuilding

note: I didn't say that gaspari introduced shredded glutes; I said that he "popularized" it (that is, imho)
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on November 04, 2008, 04:37:40 AM
i meant barbell presses, he was an animal, those arms looked at least 16 and a half inches and the legs.......my Lord they must have been 20 inches around. :o

Having seen Rude in person and having seen what a 161/2 arm resembles, I can say that Rude's arms were much bigger than 161/2 inches. Same goes for his legs, being larger than 20 inches.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: njflex on November 04, 2008, 07:35:31 AM
WRESTLING has changed dramatically from those days back then u had many good builds like rude,warrior,davey boy smith,dynamite kid was short and big and hard with good seperation,atlas,rocky johnson was big boy with good shape,orndoff,then u had to kiss hogans soft ass body the announcers had to kiss up.now u need good writers and could be sm as shit and as long as u follow story and sway the fans your a star,batista is old school big as dude ,lean,takes his job seriously.cena too.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Pollux on November 04, 2008, 09:25:37 AM
Damn! Has it been nearly 20 years?!  :o
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Fatpanda on November 04, 2008, 09:29:16 AM
Damn! Has it been nearly 20 years?!  :o
pollux - if you get a chance, could you post that ronnie coileman cycle you promised 3 years ago.

we're all still waiting - thanks.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on November 08, 2008, 05:01:19 PM
There may be some confusion, here. Is he referring to a 135-lb barbell press or a shoulder presses with 135-lb dumbbells?

If it’s the latter, that doesn’t seem that far-fetched, for Rude, who looked to be a lean 245-250. He was often announced to be 252 lbs.

He had what Road Warrior/LOD member Animal called "pretty boy" muscles. I used to think that, if you wanted to attract the ladies, your physique had to match that of the "Ravishing One". My favorite part of his match was when Bobby "The Brain" Heenan picked a girl out of the audience and asked her how thrilled she was to be in the presence of "Ravishing" Rick Rude. Once the girl answered "Yes" to all of Heenan's questions, Rude gave her the second version of the "Rude Awakening" (i.e. slobbering her down in the middle of the ring); and, while she's swooning in near-orgasmic bliss on the mat, with Rude was gyrating over her, Heenan would declare "We have another winner!"

Here's an example of the both versions of the "Rude Awakening"

Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 24, 2009, 08:39:45 PM
Thought I'd bring this back up, just for fun's sake!!!
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: QuakerOats on January 24, 2009, 08:59:30 PM
and no fuckin ass
;D
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: cheftim on January 24, 2009, 09:02:37 PM
I was surfing around YouTube and found this. For those who like the mass vs. aesthetics debate.

From the 1989 Royal Rumble:

Part 1






Who says bodybuilding can't draw big crowds?  ;D

Notice that (in part 1) Jesse Ventura makes a reference to Arnold Schwarzenegger winning the Olympia.
Clavicles just like Phil Heath.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 25, 2009, 12:57:11 PM
Clavicles just like Phil Heath.

Which one, Ravishing Rick or Warrior?
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Hulkster on January 25, 2009, 08:46:14 PM
hahaha so classic.

jesse was the best

(as rude is choking out warrior) - "look at that most muscular on Rude. Look at that definition!"

hahahahaha

Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: G o a t b o y on January 25, 2009, 09:12:41 PM
Oiled men in thongs
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: cheftim on January 25, 2009, 09:19:26 PM
I met Triple H in 2002. Impressive as hell.
One of the best I've ever seen HHH was on that MTV show. Who wants to be the next WWE star or something? I forget the name of it? Anyway HHH came on to talk with the parcipitants and he was freakin massive! All the competitors were blown away by his size. Described as "a wall of muscle".
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: TechnoViking on January 26, 2009, 12:16:42 AM
mean Gene was fucking awesome...I think if he would have went with the full blown Hitler stash, it would have brought his awesomeness up to the full limit of awesomeness...
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Dreadlord on January 26, 2009, 12:30:33 AM
I remember reading something about the ultimate warrior being exhausted by the time he reached the ring since he always sprinted full speed as part of his entrance gimmick. His matches were pretty short since he couldn't manage to wrestle for long periods due to poor cardio
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: TechnoViking on January 26, 2009, 12:32:13 AM
The ladies loved Rick Rude's physique! That guy had an awesome gimmic.

Better then the Alex23 gimmick Scott?
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 26, 2009, 05:11:09 AM
Oiled men in thongs

What video are you watching? Rude has on long tights; Warrior has regular wrestling trunks.

I remember reading something about the ultimate warrior being exhausted by the time he reached the ring since he always sprinted full speed as part of his entrance gimmick. His matches were pretty short since he couldn't manage to wrestle for long periods due to poor cardio

Since he's sprinting to the ring, he's going to be winded. As for long matches (or lack thereof), Warrior's character was one that demolished most of his opponents. So, his matches weren't designed to be that long. With that said, some of his best matches (i.e.WrestleMania VI, against Hulk Hogan; WrestleMania VII, vs. "Macho King" Randy Savage) were quite lenghty and quite good.

If you've seen "The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior", the consensus seems to be Warrior's lack of pure wrestling skills had more to do with his short matches than his lack of cardiovascular conditioning.

"Between the music, and his sprinting, and his attire, he provided a lot of sizzle.......prior to the bell" - Jim Ross

In reference to Ultimate Warrior's feud with "Ravishing" Rick Rude:

"The Rick Rude/Warrior feud showed that Rude had the patience of Job. I'm sure there were nights where Rude wanted to put his fist through a wall, due to the lack of in-ring ability that his opponent had." - Jim Ross

Regarding his feud with Papa Shango:

"What impressed me about that feud: It was so well done, in terms of promotion, the hype and everything. But the matches were.....UGGGGH....My goodness!!! HORRIBLE!!!" - "Mean" Gene Okerlund.

"You had to do those things with Warrior, because you couldn't get it bell to bell. You had to go elsewhere for the drama and storytelling" - Jim Ross

"He took the absolute shorcut show-business route to fame and fortune, as opposed to learning an art an perfecting a craft, that the better performers strive to do, each and every night." - Vince McMahon

Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Ruffneck on January 26, 2009, 05:35:14 AM
One of the best I've ever seen HHH was on that MTV show. Who wants to be the next WWE star or something? I forget the name of it? Anyway HHH came on to talk with the parcipitants and he was freakin massive! All the competitors were blown away by his size. Described as "a wall of muscle".

Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Hulkster on January 26, 2009, 02:00:02 PM
Quote
"He took the absolute shorcut show-business route to fame and fortune, as opposed to learning an art an perfecting a craft, that the better performers strive to do, each and every night." - Vince McMahon

oh the irony of Vince saying this, since he was the one that wanted to push Warrior to the moon, oh, about 6 months after hiring him on.. ::)

Vince knew damn well that to be a star at that time it wasn't about in ring ability or mic skills, it was about the persona, the charisma, the flare.

Warrior had it in spades and thats why he became so popular.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: liberalismo on January 26, 2009, 02:16:58 PM
It doesn't look like Rick Rude was on steroids.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: spinnis on January 26, 2009, 02:30:28 PM


damn. thx
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 26, 2009, 03:09:53 PM
oh the irony of Vince saying this, since he was the one that wanted to push Warrior to the moon, oh, about 6 months after hiring him on.. ::)

I wouldn't go that far. According to Bruce Prichard (Brother Love), WWF put the still-Dingo Warrior on the 3rd card, which meant he got very little TV time. They saw him as a talent for the future. In fact, they were still struggling to find him a new name, because they didn't dig the "Dingo Warrior" moniker at all. His new name came virtually by accident. There were too many "Warriors" in wrestling at that time: The Road Warriors, Kerry Von Erich, the "Modern-Day Warrior", etc.

Per Prichard's words, "Vince wasn't too interested in having another 'warrior'. And, in describing what he saw in a character for Jim Helwig, he combined everything, saying 'He's so much more than the Road Warriors; he's more than the Modern-Day Warrior; he's...he's the ULTIMATE WARRIOR!!!!' And, Vince just stopped for a second, then said, 'That's it!!! He's the Ultimate Warrior'".


Vince knew damn well that to be a star at that time it wasn't about in ring ability or mic skills, it was about the persona, the charisma, the flare.

Warrior had it in spades and thats why he became so popular.

That he did. But he wasn't the only one. Compare Warrior to someone with whom he had one of his best feuds, "Macho King" Randy Savage.

He and Warrior were quite similar. But Savage had the better in-ring technique. Even Hulk Hogan, who isn't on the best of terms with Savage, was quite complementary about Savage on the "Self-Destruction....." DVD.

"Randy Savage is a detail freak. And Randy Savage made sure....or at least, the old Randy Savage that I knew during the heyday....that everything was impeccable. He stragetically mapped out every situation in the ring. So, the Warrior was in really good hands with Randy. That may have been one of his best storylines and feuds with Randy, because Randy made it easy on everybody."

McMahon thought the Ultimate Warrior had it in spades too, which is why he brought him back in 1996.


"I thought it was the right thing to do for our audience. He still had some juice; he still had 'it', in terms of charisma, still could sell tickets. A lot people kept asking me, 'Why did you keep bringing this nutcase back?' ".

Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 27, 2009, 09:00:37 AM


The ladies loved Rick Rude's physique! That guy had an awesome gimmic.

They took down the video of Rude, beating up a human punching bag and giving a young lady the other "Rude Awakening".
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on January 27, 2009, 09:14:39 AM


Wow, great video!

Triple H is the man!
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Hulkster on January 27, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.

its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.

why?

Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.

chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.

if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."

the WWE got owned by warrior in court

lol



Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 27, 2009, 02:36:12 PM
I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.

its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.

why?

Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.

chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.

if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."

the WWE got owned by warrior in court

lol


Helwig didn't develop the name, per se; remember that he was still known as the Dingo Warrior, when he arrived at WWE. And, they were going to ditch the name altogether.

Plus, it was McMahon who helped market the character and his employees (Jim Johnston, in particular), who came up with his now-famous theme music.

If Helwig made up the character and had the rights to the name from the start, he wouldn’t have had to change his name to “Warrior”, in the first place. That was his attempt to co-op the character without the WWE’s permission. If it were his from the beginning, he could have gone right to WCW, after he got fired again in 1992, as the Ultimate Warrior. Instead, he changed his name in 1993.

As I recall, the issue had more to do with his return in 1996. I think Warrior wanted, as part of the agreement, the eventual rights to the name and the promotion of his wrestling school, Warrior University, in Arizona. The reason McMahon claimed he fired Warrior then is because Warrior missed several dates where he was scheduled to appear, using his estranged father's death as an excuse.

Warrior claimed that McMahon was using his likeness and certain trademarks, while leaving him out of the equation (hence the reason for his no-show, combined with the issue regarding his father). McMahon claimed that, by not showing up where he was advertised, Warrior breached his contract. Therefore, McMahon didn't have to give him the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" character.

As for being "owned", that's a bit of a stretch, especially when he went to WCW, only to last a few months, before being released as well.

"The Ultimate Warrior, in WCW, was out of control and uncontrolled; there was no supervision for him. At WWE, Vince called the shots; the agents that worked with him with promotions and one thing and the other, had him under control. So, on the one hand, you had this wild man at WCW, who has no direction. And on the other hand, you have this wild man in WWE who DOES have direction and who also had success." - "Mean" Gene Okerlund


"He thought he was going to make a fortune, when he got from under the WWE umbrella. That didn't happen. Hopefully, he looks back on his career and thinks, 'You know. Maybe these guys really helped me a lot more than I thought.' " - Vince McMahon


Warrior, last time I checked, was wrestling in some bush-league organziation in Spain.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Hulkster on January 27, 2009, 02:53:17 PM
I do think that had Warrior not been so crazy, he could have done a lot more with his career than he did..

this guy connected with fans in a way that only a few others can claim to have done.

say what you will about his in ring ability, but the man was popular as hell for a good while and sold tickets..

the fans loved the character.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: ribonucleic on January 27, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
Rude was a class act. The Warrior was and is a world-class douche.

That said: You won't look this good when you're 49.

Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: ribonucleic on January 27, 2009, 06:31:27 PM
And when Triple H went on Bob's radio show, he said that Achim Albrecht, during his brief time in the wrestling business, was surprised to learn how overwhelmingly difficult it is to maintain a physique while being on the road as relentlessly as WWE workers are kept there.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 28, 2009, 05:55:02 AM
And when Triple H went on Bob's radio show, he said that Achim Albrecht, during his brief time in the wrestling business, was surprised to learn how overwhelmingly difficult it is to maintain a physique while being on the road as relentlessly as WWE workers are kept there.

Other bodybuilders have found that out the hard way, as well, namely Paul Dillett and Mat Duval. Both men tried their hand at professional wrestling (Dillett with WCW, Duval with TNA). But, the beatings became too much for them. So they called it a day.

Some guys don't seem to have a problem, size-wise. Glen Jacobs (Kane) stated on an interview that he tried to keep his weight DOWN, in order to move better in the ring. And, he's well over 300 lbs.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: littleguns on January 28, 2009, 08:15:08 AM
Other bodybuilders have found that out the hard way, as well, namely Paul Dillett and Mat Duval. Both men tried their hand at professional wrestling (Dillett with WCW, Duval with TNA). But, the beatings became too much for them. So they called it a day.

Some guys don't seem to have a problem, size-wise. Glen Jacobs (Kane) stated on an interview that he tried to keep his weight DOWN, in order to move better in the ring. And, he's well over 300 lbs.

DOnt forget Aaron Baker as well and Ian Harrison
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: TechnoViking on January 28, 2009, 09:35:23 PM
I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.

its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.

why?

Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.

chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.

if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."

the WWE got owned by warrior in court

lol






They also got pwnd by the original WWF(world wildlife Fund)
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 31, 2009, 04:00:27 PM
DOnt forget Aaron Baker as well and Ian Harrison

I think Baker got a tryout with WCW, as well.
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 16, 2010, 06:37:57 PM
I had to bring this one back up, since someone posted the Helmsley vs. Steiner RAW posedown.
 ;D
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: MCWAY on January 16, 2010, 06:42:41 PM
I had to bring this one back up, since someone posted the Helmsley vs. Steiner RAW posedown.
 ;D

The YouTube one got deleted. But, I found it on DailyMotion:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x62lm5_ravishing-rick-rude-vs-ultimate-war_sport
Title: Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
Post by: Captain Equipoise on January 20, 2010, 03:25:25 PM

They also got pwnd by the original WWF(world wildlife Fund)

Hahahah,that's right!! :)