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Title: Public Service Announcement
Post by: The Coach on November 01, 2008, 07:00:41 PM
Set your clocks back any hour for daylight savings.




And what ever you save could be considered a form of wealth so if Obama gets in it will be confiscated.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: dr.chimps on November 01, 2008, 07:04:22 PM
Set your clocks back any hour for daylight savings.

And what ever you save could be considered a form of wealth so if Obama gets in it will be confiscated.
Sure you don't want to set your clock for the 50's and separate drinking fountains for 'coloureds only?'  :-\
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: bigdumbbell on November 01, 2008, 07:08:45 PM
i'm ok with paying more taxes if it makes the country less fucked up :D
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: The Coach on November 01, 2008, 07:53:35 PM
i'm ok with paying more taxes if it makes the country less fucked up :D

People are still trying to figure that out.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: chaos on November 01, 2008, 07:57:41 PM
Sure you don't want to set your clock for the 50's and separate drinking fountains for 'coloureds only?'  :-\
Can we do that ???
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: INSOMNIA on November 01, 2008, 08:21:35 PM
i'm ok with paying more taxes if it makes the country less fucked up :D

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Benjamin Franklin
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: The Coach on November 01, 2008, 08:24:45 PM
i'm ok with paying more taxes if it makes the country less fucked up :D

Are you willing to have him cut 25% of our defence budget AND confiscate more of your money to give to someone who doesn't even pay taxes?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: garebear on November 01, 2008, 08:27:14 PM
Are you willing to have him cut 25% of our defence budget AND confiscate more of your money to give to someone who doesn't even pay taxes?

Coach, do you approve of Obama's tax policies?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: The Coach on November 01, 2008, 08:33:43 PM
Coach, do you approve of Obama's tax policies?

Yes, I love it when someone tells me I have to give my money to lazy people.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: liberalismo on November 01, 2008, 08:42:01 PM
No one posting in this thread will pay higher taxes with Obama.



Likely no one on this entire forum will pay higher taxes with Obama.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: The Coach on November 01, 2008, 08:49:19 PM
No one posting in this thread will pay higher taxes with Obama.



Likely no one on this entire forum will pay higher taxes with Obama.

Hahaha....your delusional. Thats what Dems/Libs are famous for and Obama has voted 94 times to increase taxes. What makes you think he won't do it now? He has a trillion dollar spending plan, you think he's just going to pull the money out of his ass?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: windsor88 on November 01, 2008, 08:56:11 PM
Hahaha....your delusional. Thats what Dems/Libs are famous for and Obama has voted 94 times to increase taxes. What makes you think he won't do it now? He has a trillion dollar spending plan, you think he's just going to pull the money out of his ass?

He will pull funds from the programs that don't work.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: chaos on November 01, 2008, 08:56:48 PM
He will pull funds from the programs that don't work.
Like welfare and anti-drug campaigns?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Arnold jr on November 01, 2008, 09:02:09 PM
Like welfare and anti-drug campaigns?
Not hardly. He will pump more money into social programs like welfare...his basic ideology is a welfare state.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: chaos on November 01, 2008, 09:10:54 PM
Not hardly. He will pump more money into social programs like welfare...his basic ideology is a welfare state.
So everyone is going to elect the black guy, just so they can say they were a part of history, then he's going to take all the money from the rich and give it to the poor on welfare?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: The Coach on November 01, 2008, 09:13:16 PM
So everyone is going to elect the black guy, just so they can say they were a part of history, then he's going to take all the money from the rich and give it to the poor on welfare?

Obama's socialist definition of redistribution of wealth actually is welfare.......he's just making us pay more into it.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: tbombz on November 01, 2008, 09:49:01 PM
you cant make that argument now.. obama in no way is a socialist and he wont be doing anything to make us socialist.. i agree that if we keep electing those like obama then one day we will be faced with a socialist candidate and we will have to vote whether or not we are a socialist country or a regulated capitalist country... at that time, when faced with that decision, the peoples will would be done...  but now is not that time when we are faced with that decision..obama is nto socialist and will not make us socialist.. yes he is the begininng of the slippery slope towards that one inevtiable day when americans will have to decide whether or not its socialism for us.. but obama himself is not that candidate and that argument does not fit in this election..
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Arnold jr on November 01, 2008, 10:00:14 PM
So everyone is going to elect the black guy, just so they can say they were a part of history, then he's going to take all the money from the rich and give it to the poor on welfare?

A "welfare state" means the government controls where the money goes to the public. It dictates who gets what and how much. It has nothing to do with what we currently call "welfare" here in the U.S.

In a welfare state, the idea is to create equality among all the citizens. On the surface this sounds great.

The problem with this idea is that everyone is rewarded based on laziness and unfortunate conditions. Hard work and busting your butt is penalized....the less you work, the less effort you give, the more you are rewarded by the government.


I'm not saying helping out the unfortunate is a bad thing...far from it. But it is not the governments position to take care of the unfortunate, that is societies.

Governments role by the way it has been set up in the U.S. is to protect it's people, to ensure that everyone has the ability to make the best of their lives. This doesn't mean give those who have less some of what others have more of the even the playing field, this means ensuring that the playing field is simply there.

So many Americans have become hypnotized under the idea of "give me." So many have become jealous of what their neighbor has that he earned by his own hand and believe they truly deserve the same thing simply because they exist and live next door to him.

you cant make that argument now.. obama in no way is a socialist and he wont be doing anything to make us socialist.. i agree that if we keep electing those like obama then one day we will be faced with a socialist candidate and we will have to vote whether or not we are a socialist country or a regulated capitalist country... at that time, when faced with that decision, the peoples will would be done...  but now is not that time when we are faced with that decision..obama is nto socialist and will not make us socialist.. yes he is the begininng of the slippery slope towards that one inevtiable day when americans will have to decide whether or not its socialism for us.. but obama himself is not that candidate and that argument does not fit in this election..

He has the most liberal voting record on the hill. He has voted for more socialistic bills in congress and in the state senate then any other member of congress in Washington in the past 7 years. If he does get elected, he will have complete control over both the executive and legislative thanks to two of the other most liberal members of congress, Pelosi and Reed.

If you know making a fire in your kitchen floor will burn down your house, you don't start adding more wood to the fire to heat your house and simply hope that it doesn't get out of control. You don't start the fire in the first place.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Rami on November 01, 2008, 10:21:18 PM
i'm ok with paying more taxes if it makes the country less fucked up :D

how is it fucked up, I haven't noticed anything?


Thank for the reminder by the way.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Max_Rep on November 01, 2008, 10:48:57 PM
Yes, I love it when someone tells me I have to give my money to lazy people.

So you consider self employed people (about 19 Million of them) with pre existing health conditions lazy? 
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: chaos on November 01, 2008, 10:53:33 PM
So you consider self employed people (about 19 Million of them) with pre existing health conditions lazy? 
Do those pre-existing health conditions come from being morbidly obese?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Max_Rep on November 01, 2008, 11:13:00 PM


This is the problem I have with conservatives Joe. Some things have NOTHING to do with being a conservative or a Democrat but with the fact that Insurance companies (Health Insurance) have escaped any real penalties for out and out discriminatory practices. There’s an entire group of people being discriminated against by insurance companies yet conservatives want to just call that group lazy. McCain offers a tax cut and says “that would make health insurance both affordable and accessible.

Both statements are false because the insurance companies will NOT insure self employed people with pre-existing conditions. The statement just tells me how utterly clueless McCain is on the topic.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Max_Rep on November 01, 2008, 11:16:41 PM
Do those pre-existing health conditions come from being morbidly obese?

Of course obesity causes health problems but many of the problems are caused by heredity, air polution, and dozens of other causes.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: m8 on November 01, 2008, 11:39:45 PM
Yes, I love it when someone tells me I have to give my money to lazy people.

Are you retarded or just unbelievably stupid?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: dr.chimps on November 01, 2008, 11:59:51 PM
Obama's socialist definition of redistribution of wealth actually is welfare.......he's just making us pay more into it.
LOL. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, do you?  People like like you are why Obama is going to win.  ;D
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Wiggs on November 02, 2008, 12:10:08 AM
A great man said, "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."


Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Arnold jr on November 02, 2008, 12:15:56 AM

This is the problem I have with conservatives Joe. Some things have NOTHING to do with being a conservative or a Democrat but with the fact that Insurance companies (Health Insurance) have escaped any real penalties for out and out discriminatory practices. There’s an entire group of people being discriminated against by insurance companies yet conservatives want to just call that group lazy. McCain offers a tax cut and says “that would make health insurance both affordable and accessible.

Both statements are false because the insurance companies will NOT insure self employed people with pre-existing conditions. The statement just tells me how utterly clueless McCain is on the topic.


You're right, this is a problem and IMO, this issue does not address it and it is not fixed by either candidate with either plan.

The issue for this should be reforming and enforcing insurance regulations, fair practice, etc.

Now with Obama's ultimate goal, health care for all, this does not fix the problem...all this does is damage the level of health care we get. Sure, more people have health care plans, but not good ones. It lowers the rate of quality.

With McCain, sure, if people have more money for some they would be able to finally afford decent health care, but as you said, some would still be cut off due to insurance company practices...but that is another issue that should be addressed separately and it's one that should be addressed by whichever candidate wins; McCain or Obama.

...and I speak as someone who is self-employed and who's family is made up almost of entirely self-employed people...always has been.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: bigdumbbell on November 02, 2008, 02:43:09 AM
Obama's socialist definition of redistribution of wealth actually is welfare.......he's just making us pay more into it.
fear much?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Andy Griffin on November 02, 2008, 03:09:11 AM
No one posting in this thread will pay higher taxes with Obama.



Likely no one on this entire forum will pay higher taxes with Obama.

You forget, sir, that EVERYONE on getbig.com (except me) is among the top 1% in personal wealth.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: JimmyThomson on November 02, 2008, 05:58:29 AM
Yes, I love it when someone tells me I have to give my money to lazy people.

Coach yesterday you made a complete little fool of yourself by stating that taxes were based on the sales of a business rather than the profit. This proves beyond doubt that you are a fraud and your business success stories are fairytales. I'm surprised you don't follow your friend Moosejay and vanish with the shame of this exposure.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: drkaje on November 02, 2008, 06:07:33 AM
No one posting in this thread will pay higher taxes with Obama.



Likely no one on this entire forum will pay higher taxes with Obama.

That's what makes these discussions so hilarious.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 07:48:40 AM
i'm ok with paying more taxes if it makes the country less fucked up :D

Nice. I didn't know you were one of those rich Americans that makes over $250,000.

Congrats on your success.

Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 07:50:45 AM
No one posting in this thread will pay higher taxes with Obama.



Likely no one on this entire forum will pay higher taxes with Obama.

Fail.

See bigdumbbell's post.

He's down with the tax plan and the bump in his taxes.



Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: bigdumbbell on November 02, 2008, 10:51:20 AM
Nice. I didn't know you were one of those rich Americans that makes over $250,000.

Congrats on your success.


i am lucky.  thank you.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 10:52:41 AM
i am lucky.  thank you.

You're welcome.

Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Busted on November 02, 2008, 10:54:12 AM
Are you willing to have him cut 25% of our defence budget AND confiscate more of your money to give to someone who doesn't even pay taxes?

Our Defense budget is 1000000000000000% overspent, so cutting it 25% will still make it 100000000000% over where it should be.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Busted on November 02, 2008, 10:55:23 AM
Hahaha....your delusional. Thats what Dems/Libs are famous for and Obama has voted 94 times to increase taxes. What makes you think he won't do it now? He has a trillion dollar spending plan, you think he's just going to pull the money out of his ass?

Coach, that "94 times" was proven a lie by most every independent fact check org in the country...  Oppse I forgot, you dont care about facts... my bad
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Busted on November 02, 2008, 10:56:56 AM
Obama's socialist definition of redistribution of wealth actually is welfare.......he's just making us pay more into it.

The past 8 years has been "redistribution of wealth" the Rich took from the poor and you didnt care then.  Sad part, you are a FUCKING TRAINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I saw those pics of you in your kitchen, do you live in a trailer?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Busted on November 02, 2008, 10:59:45 AM
Nice. I didn't know you were one of those rich Americans that makes over $250,000.

Congrats on your success.



Id say pulling down 20 grand a month is considered rich.  When you make more in 2 months than the avg family makes in a year that is rich.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 11:03:04 AM
Id say pulling down 20 grand a month is considered rich.  When you make more in 2 months than the avg family makes in a year that is rich.

It all depends on where you live.

If you pull $250k in states like Alabama you're rich.

In a high cost of living area such as the DC Metro area you're upper middle class and getting hammered by the AMT.



Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: bigdumbbell on November 02, 2008, 11:04:45 AM
It all depends on where you live.

If you pull $250k in states like Alabama you're rich.

In a high cost of living area such as the DC Metro area you're upper middle class and getting hammered by the AMT.




yes indeed, if you're in bama and pullin' in 250 you's rich
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 11:10:36 AM
yes indeed, if you're in bama and pullin' in 250 you's rich

And what are the numbers of working families pulling down $250k+ in Bama vs. working families in high cost of living states like California, Maryland, or Virgina?
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Straw Man on November 02, 2008, 11:11:36 AM
Republicans have been re-distrubuting the wealth since the early 1980's.

Reagan raised payroll taxes specifically to create a surplus which he then borrowed to fill in the gap in his budget that was created by his tax cuts.

translation -  increase tax on the working man/woman (and make him/her believe it's going towards his/her retirement benefits) and give it to the wealthy. Some Repug pundits have even suggested that the US should default on this debt it owes to the working class

That's REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH REPUBLICAN STYLE


Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 11:14:18 AM
Republicans have been re-distrubuting the wealth since the early 1980's.

Reagan raised payroll taxes specifically to create a surplus which he then borrowed to fill in the gap in his budget that was created by his tax cuts.

translation -  increase tax on the working man/woman (and make him/her believe it's going towards his/her retirement benefits) and give it to the wealthy. Some Repug pundits have even suggested that the US should default on this debt it owes to the working class

That's REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH REPUBLICAN STYLE

Right. They BOTH do it.

It's my opinion that McCain is just as much the "socialist" as he claims Obama is.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Straw Man on November 02, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
It all depends on where you live.

If you pull $250k in states like Alabama you're rich.

In a high cost of living area such as the DC Metro area you're upper middle class and getting hammered by the AMT.

AMT needs to be fixed or even better just scrubbed all together.

This is a one f'd up mess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Minimum_Tax
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: Straw Man on November 02, 2008, 11:18:50 AM
Right. They BOTH do it.

It's my opinion that McCain is just as much the "socialist" as he claims Obama is.

Gore vowed not to do it and was mocked by the very same people who now claim they won't get a penny when they are ready to retire.

Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 11:20:26 AM
AMT needs to be fixed or even better just scrubbed all together.

This is a one f'd up mess

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Minimum_Tax

Yes it is. It screws more and more working families every year and they've done nothing to fix it - just attempts to placate the public.

Each year it becomes harder and harder for the government to break away from it too. $800 billion (and rising) is a hell of a crack addiction.

Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: liberalismo on November 02, 2008, 07:59:52 PM
Hahaha....your delusional. Thats what Dems/Libs are famous for and Obama has voted 94 times to increase taxes. What makes you think he won't do it now? He has a trillion dollar spending plan, you think he's just going to pull the money out of his ass?


Obama doesn't want to spend so much money tossing folks in jail for smoking pot.

That would save billions in itself.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: liberalismo on November 02, 2008, 08:01:24 PM
Obama doesn't think that so many black people should be on welfare anymore than anyone else does. Having so many people on welfare isn't good for the country or for society and isn't acceptable. Obama will make it easier for people to get OFF welfare on their own.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: w8tlftr on November 02, 2008, 08:03:55 PM
Obama doesn't think that so many black people should be on welfare anymore than anyone else does. Having so many people on welfare isn't good for the country or for society and isn't acceptable. Obama will make it easier for people to get OFF welfare on their own.

I agree with you but how exactly is he doing that?

You don't think giving income tax breaks to those that pay no income tax isn't another form of welfare?


Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: liberalismo on November 02, 2008, 08:09:04 PM
I agree with you but how exactly is he doing that?

You don't think giving income tax breaks to those that pay no income tax isn't another form of welfare?





You can't get a tax break if you don't pay tax.


As far as getting folks off of welfare, the entire system needs to be overhauled and remade. Too many people are given welfare even if they really don't need it or can do without it. It is given willy nilly and the people who oversee it are not any more intelligent than the people who think they can get if if they are totally capable of working.


Making it harder to get welfare.
Making it easier to get jobs.

Let the people who truly need it get it.
Let the people who don't need it work.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 02, 2008, 08:44:36 PM
Coach yesterday you made a complete little fool of yourself by stating that taxes were based on the sales of a business rather than the profit. This proves beyond doubt that you are a fraud and your business success stories are fairytales. I'm surprised you don't follow your friend Moosejay and vanish with the shame of this exposure.


Yesterday???

He makes a total fool of himself every single day on here.  Yesterday wasn't any different at all.
Title: Re: Public Service Announcement
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 02, 2008, 08:45:12 PM
  Sad part, you are a FUCKING TRAINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I saw those pics of you in your kitchen, do you live in a trailer?

LMAO!!!