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About what we can expect from the "Messiah"
Indianapolis - Lines were long and tempers flared Wednesday not to vote but to get paid for canvassing for Barack Obama. Several hundred people are still waiting to get their pay for last-minute campaigning. Police were called to the Obama campaign office on North Meridian Street downtown to control the crowd.
The line was long and the crowd was angry at times.
"I want my money today! It's my money. I want it right now!" yelled one former campaign worker.
A former spokesman for the Obama campaign said 375 people were hired as part of the Vote Corps program and said people signed up to work three-hour shifts at a time. Three hours of canvassing got workers a $30 pre-paid Visa card.
The workers showed up to get their cards Wednesday morning at 10:00 am.
"There was a note on the door saying 1:00 pm and then at 1:20 pm everybody was like why is nobody here. They just got here and they're trying to get it organized," said Heather Richards, a former campaign worker.
The large gathering of around 375 people prompted police to call in extra officers and set up temporary barricades. The barricades helped keep the crowd from spilling out onto Meridian Street. Police say the several hundred people in line were for the most part orderly.
"No arrests. Some of the people were upset at first because the line wasn't moving as fast as they thought it should. But we really haven't had any problems," said Major Darryl Pierce, Metro Police.
Eventually people did start getting paid, but some said they were missing hours and told to fill in paperwork making their claim and that eventually they would get a check in the mail.
"Still that's not right. I'm disappointed. I'm glad for the president, but I'm disappointed in this system," said Diane Jefferson, temporary campaign worker.
"It should have been $480. It's $230," said Imani Sankofa.
"They gave us $10 an hour. So we added it. I added up all the hours so it was supposed to be at least $120. All I get is $90," said Charles Martin.
"I worked nine hours a day for 4 days and got paid half of what I should have earned," said Randall Waldon.
Some people weren't satisfied with filling out a claim form for money they felt was still due to them.
"They say that they gonna call you or they going to mail it to you, but I don't know. We'll see what happens," said Antron Grose.
"Talking about they'll mail it to us. I ain't worried about that, man. They're not going to mail nothin'," said Martin.
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already attacking YOUR bossman HH6 ? ;D
NT
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HH6 is pissed about some college workers not getting paid on time.
but he's A-okay with Dubya sending 4200 soldiers to their death for oil in iraq.
Priorities, baby!
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I got paid.....not my boss yet N...not yet. Ol Barry doesn't need the masses. Oh and Every time ol Barry the savior fucks up.....its going to show up right here. In fact any time anything is fucked up...guess what ITS BARRY'S FAULT.
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I got paid.....not my boss yet N...not yet. Ol Barry doesn't need the masses. Oh and Every time ol Barry the savior fucks up.....its going to show up right here. In fact any time anything is fucked up...guess what ITS BARRY'S FAULT.
That's not fair.
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I got paid.....not my boss yet N...not yet. Ol Barry doesn't need the masses. Oh and Every time ol Barry the savior fucks up.....its going to show up right here. In fact any time anything is fucked up...guess what ITS BARRY'S FAULT.
so just so we're clear here...
You'll be nitpicking every time an Obama staffer feels he worked 30 hours but only got paid for 28...
But you sit idle amidst the brutal abuses of life and treasury under Dubya.
so it's party before country, for HH6, then?
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I got paid.....not my boss yet N...not yet. Ol Barry doesn't need the masses. Oh and Every time ol Barry the savior fucks up.....its going to show up right here. In fact any time anything is fucked up...guess what ITS BARRY'S FAULT.
HH6, why was this NOT the case with Moron Bush....not enough writing space online ? ;)
NT
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Oh no...u guys blamed Bush for everything under the sun...now its payback time. Can't handle it...leave. Itsup...its nitpicking when its Obama fucking up right, but a travesty of justice when its Bush. I can see the double standard will be prevalent here for the next 4 years. Get off the Obama cock..he won.
NT...U guys blamed Bush for everything under the sun....well now its the Obamessiah's turn. U know what he said today when he got his first National Security briefing, OH SHIT WHAT HAVE I GOTTEN MYSELF INTO.
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Oh no...u guys blamed Bush for everything under the sun...now its payback time. Can't handle it...leave. Itsup...its nitpicking when its Obama fucking up right, but a travesty of justice when its Bush. I can see the double standard will be prevalent here for the next 4 years. Get off the Obama cock..he won.
NT...U guys blamed Bush for everything under the sun....well now its the Obamessiah's turn. U know what he said today when he got his first National Security briefing, OH SHIT WHAT HAVE I GOTTEN MYSELF INTO.
be nice to YOUR Big Black Bossman HH6. he allows YOU to live a socialist lifestyle.
NT
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Nope..first of he isn't my boss...not yet. Second I swear an oath to the Constitution first and then the President. And as far as my lifestyle...the US military is about the only neccesary social program in this country. If it weren't for us u'd all be screwed or dead...or dead and screwed.
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Oh no...u guys blamed Bush for everything under the sun...now its payback time. Can't handle it...leave. Itsup...its nitpicking when its Obama fucking up right, but a travesty of justice when its Bush. I can see the double standard will be prevalent here for the next 4 years. Get off the Obama cock..he won.
NT...U guys blamed Bush for everything under the sun....well now its the Obamessiah's turn. U know what he said today when he got his first National Security briefing, OH SHIT WHAT HAVE I GOTTEN MYSELF INTO.
Who ordered the invasion of Iraq? Who ordered huge tax cuts and increased spending? Who was sitting like a dope in a Florida classroom when the country was attacked? Who ignored warnings of that attack? Who authorized illegal domestic spying? Who authorized torture as USA policy? And on and on.
The point being is that facts show Bush was the culprit. He deserved the niggling criticisms he received.
If there's any justice in the world, Bush would be in prison right now after his trial for crimes against humanity.
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I got paid.....not my boss yet N...not yet. Ol Barry doesn't need the masses. Oh and Every time ol Barry the savior fucks up.....its going to show up right here. In fact any time anything is fucked up...guess what ITS BARRY'S FAULT.
MELTDOWN!!!
Obama won.
Obama is the next POTUS.
Obama is the next Commander in Chief.
Obama is YOUR BOSS.
You will respect him.
You will honor him.
You will SERVE him.
You will count whatever beans he tells you to count.
All the whining and gnashing of teeth in the world will not change any of the above.
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LURKER ur an idiot...and for the last time...I'm not a "bean counter" ok dipshit.
I did this.......
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LURKER ur an idiot...and for the last time...I'm not a "bean counter" ok dipshit.
I did this.......
Why is there no hole in the barrel?
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A little of this
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and I used to be with these guys.....
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But never this....
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hahahahaha...HH6..you angry littke fuck...looking for anything...how many obama threads did you start...i gurantee it was over 50...
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One....but I plan on blaming Obama for everything...If Brady Quinn screws up tonight...Barry did it. Go Browns go ND
Cheer, cheer for Old Notre Dame
Wake up the echoes cheering her name,
Send the volley cheer on high,
Shake down the thunder from the sky,
What though the odds be great or small
Old Notre Dame will win over all,
While her loyal sons are marching
Onward to Victory.
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MELTDOWN!!!
Obama won.
Obama is the next POTUS.
Obama is the next Commander in Chief.
Obama is YOUR BOSS.
You will respect him.
You will honor him.
You will SERVE him.
You will count whatever beans he tells you to count.
All the whining and gnashing of teeth in the world will not change any of the above.
HH6 hates being Big Black Bossman's BITCH !
hahaaaaa
NT
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He's actually very small and feminine
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He has soft hands....
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He's actually very small and feminine
dude i heard he was actually gay and worshiped the devil...
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hahahahaha...HH6..you angry littke fuck...looking for anything...how many obama threads did you start...i gurantee it was over 50...
LOL dont worry your buddy 240 has everybody beat with his palinfest 08 threads...your message would carry more weight if you didnt defend just your savior and overlook what others on this board did to palin and mccain.
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And that post might make some sense, if the election weren't over and HH6 hadn't made these stupid threads about a president who hasn't taken office yet. He sounded as if he was on the brink of madness during the campaign and he will probably have to be institutionalized before January 20th of next year.
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And that post might make some sense, if the election weren't over and HH6 hadn't made these stupid threads about a president who hasn't taken office yet. He sounded as if he was on the brink of madness during the campaign and he will probably have to be institutionalized before January 20th of next year.
how does it not make sense actually it makes more sense...obama will be the next president of the US and therefor will be under constant political scrutiny...Palin who was a candidate was not under political scrutiny but personal scrutiny by 240 and his amazing what 70+ threads in a single day...again Al you dont do much for discrediting the savior label that has been rightfully placed open obama you still havent given me one single fault you think that he has?
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again Al you dont do much for discrediting the savior label that has been rightfully placed open obama
So, essentially, you are admitting that this is not how Obama supporters feel but how the right feels. Nice. And the ridiculous par tis that HH6's posts have no substance. He's just venting. He's like a mad man. The Palin posts may have seemed personal, but she was a complete unknown who allowed NO access to the media. Throughout the entirety of the campaign she did a handful of interviews and one impromptu press conference.
As for the faults question, I've never made any post close to calling him perfect. That's, once again, you projecting a false theory for your straw man argument.
But' I'll tell you what... give me a list of faults you found with McCain or Palin and I will give you a list of equal length in regards to Obama. And if you don't understand the very obvious purpose of this request, I will explain at the end of my response post.
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So, essentially, you are admitting that this is not how Obama supporters feel but how the right feels. Nice. And the ridiculous par tis that HH6's posts have no substance. He's just venting. He's like a mad man. The Palin posts may have seemed personal, but she was a complete unknown who allowed NO access to the media. Throughout the entirety of the campaign she did a handful of interviews and one impromptu press conference.
As for the faults question, I've never made any post close to calling him perfect. That's, once again, you projecting a false theory for your straw man argument.
But' I'll tell you what... give me a list of faults you found with McCain or Palin and I will give you a list of equal length in regards to Obama. And if you don't understand the very obvious purpose of this request, I will explain at the end of my response post.
LOL no you see its an observation bro what is god to you for most he is an infalliable being beyond the scope of reach and incapable of wrong. Again most obama supporters on here will not admit his faults and will defend every criticism of his even when they are in the wrong and know that they are in the wrong.
As for mccain and palin ive said many times on here that i didnt like mccain as a presidential pick i liked romney and as for palin as far as personal life goes i think she is a great person but for a vp pick no i dont think she was the best choice.
As for you request since I asked you first lets hear your answers first and then Ill elaborate on mine.
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LOL no you see its an observation bro what is god to you for most he is an infalliable being beyond the scope of reach and incapable of wrong. Again most obama supporters on here will not admit his faults and will defend every criticism of his even when they are in the wrong and know that they are in the wrong.
As for mccain and palin ive said many times on here that i didnt like mccain as a presidential pick i liked romney and as for palin as far as personal life goes i think she is a great person but for a vp pick no i dont think she was the best choice.
As for you request since I asked you first lets hear your answers first and then Ill elaborate on mine.
No. You first. I don't think you actually have any.
Which is my point. I actually have a long list of stuff I found problematic about Obama at one point, but generally I didn't focus on negatives. Most voters don't really do that, especially if they are happy with the candidate. I doubt you have a well reasoned list of things you didliked about McCain. If it turns out you do, then I will admit I was wrong and post mine.
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LOL dont worry your buddy 240 has everybody beat with his palinfest 08 threads...your message would carry more weight if you didnt defend just your savior and overlook what others on this board did to palin and mccain.
Im not talkin about beach and coach in this...im talkin about hh and his personal vendetta against obama and how it manifested itself on the getbig board...
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No. You first. I don't think you actually have any.
LOL what inkling of doubt have i given you to not find fault with mccain or palin? you have defended obama at every turn on every subject but for the sake of showing your own faults ill play along.
McCain
No respect, he gave obama literally no respect during the debates now this could be taken many ways but to me is was petty
Tax cuts, he and for that matter obama will HAVE to raise taxes on just about everybody sooner or later and i think that him not saying this was shitty and pandering
LOL pandering, he pandered to the religious base imho and that is not imho the way this party need to go I understand looking out for the base but not pandering to it.
Palin. for the love of shit man if he had picked Romney he probably would have won.
Foreign affairs, while im not in favor of no restriction meetings like obama Im not in favor of complete isolation either.
Palin
obvious move to pander to the base and grab votes
obvious lack of experience now I understand that yes she has executive experience but its akin to moving from coaching a high school football team to coaching a NFL team while your duties are similar the situation is completely different
Religion, while I agree that religion is a personal choice when it affects the lives of others its no longer personal...im staunchly pro life in my personal life but believe that others should have the right to choose although i can go on for hours about this and i would never actually vote pro choice.
Lack of knowledge, some of the things that she didnt know or didnt have enough knowledge on where apprehensible.
just to name a few i can give you more if you want
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Im not talkin about beach and coach in this...im talkin about hh and his personal vendetta against obama and how it manifested itself on the getbig board...
thats what im saying...you say things here but not when 240 started 70+ threads about palin in what 24 hours?
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Go browns!
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you have defended obama at every turn on every subject but for the sake of showing
No, I haven't. Once again, you're projecting. I have been a member here for years, but only started reading this board again within the last two months. The posts in which I "defended Obama" primarily focused on misconceptions concerning ACORN and misinterpretaions concerning his policies. The only times I actually defended him were when verifiable lies were posted.
As for his faults:
1. He's eloquent- probably our most eloquent modern president-but he is prone to missteps. When it comes to facts and statistics, his ability to speak extemporaneously seems limited. I think the " spread the wealth around " thing is overblown and misinterpreted, but it is one example of what I mean.
2. Early on in the campaign he seemed to be falling into the trap of making the campaign about race. I think the fact that he dropped this tack helped him immensely.
3.I think he should have rejected campaign help from Jay-Z and Diddy. I am a big Jay Z fan,and I understand it was a ploy to reach the youth vote, but still...
There are more, but for the most part, I think he's a good man, ad good candidate and I overlooked most of it in light of the bigger picture.
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Why is there no hole in the barrel?
I guess because HH6 didn't "count" on it.
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No, I haven't. Once again, you're projecting. I have been a member here for years, but only started reading this board again within the last two months. The posts in which I "defended Obama" primarily focused on misconceptions concerning ACORN and misinterpretaions concerning his policies. The only times I actually defended him were when verifiable lies were posted.
As for his faults:
1. He's eloquent- probably our most eloquent modern president-but he is prone to missteps. When it comes to facts and statistics, his ability to speak extemporaneously seems limited. I think the " spread the wealth around " thing is overblown and misinterpreted, but it is one example of what I mean.
2. Early on in the campaign he seemed to be falling into the trap of making the campaign about race. I think the fact that he dropped this tack helped him immensely.
3.I think he should have rejected campaign help from Jay-Z and Diddy. I am a big Jay Z fan,and I understand it was a ploy to reach the youth vote, but still...
There are more, but for the most part, I think he's a good man, ad good candidate and I overlooked most of it in light of the bigger picture.
LOL these are his faults? these are HIS FAULTS? LOL again you arent doing much for discrediting the misconception what about sitting in a church with a racist hate monger for 20 yrs? How about giving tax breaks to ppl who dont pay taxes? how about his definition of wealthy that seems to be getting lower and lower? LOL these are the faults you choose to announce...lol ya your right hes not your savior ::)
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That's not fair.
Why not......you libs blamed everything on Bush.
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LOL these are his faults? these are HIS FAULTS? LOL again you arent doing much for discrediting the misconception what about sitting in a church with a racist hate monger for 20 yrs? How about giving tax breaks to ppl who dont pay taxes? how about his definition of wealthy that seems to be getting lower and lower? LOL these are the faults you choose to announce...lol ya your right hes not your savior ::)
LOL... Don't be too hard on Al--he can't help it, he's just a natural optimist and dares to have the audacity of hope. ;D
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How about giving tax breaks to ppl who dont pay taxes? how about his definition of wealthy that seems to be getting lower and lower? LOL these are the faults you choose to announce...lol ya your right hes not your savior
You don't understand the issues your talking about which goes along way in explaining your misperception of .
Every working person pays taxes. Payroll taxes and annual taxes are all taxes. We've been through this over and over. If you choose to remain ignorant, I can't help ya.
His definition of wealthy has not changed in regards to taxes.
You did not vote for Obama- I did. Obviously we view his policies differently.
Because I view most of his policy as pretty sound, doesvnot mean I regard him as a messiah. What you are saying doesn't even make sense. Please cease with the "savior" foolishness.You're way more committed to it than any one who voted for Obama.
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LOL... Don't be too hard on Al--he can't help it, he's just a natural optimist and dares to have the audacity of hope. ;D
I may not be savvy enough to detect Sarah Palin's unheralded brilliance through the
prism of Katie Couric's evil jew-liberal media trickery as you can, but I am generally pretty observant and level headed.
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Why not......you libs blamed everything on Bush.
Bush was to blame...Iraq, torture, spying, bungled fiscal policies, Katrina....
It was only Bush that ordered the invasion. It was Bush/Cheney policy to torture. It was Bush policy to spy.
Somehow in your world, the presidency is a game of gotcha prone to any white house occupant.
I thought you rightwingers paid lip service to 'personal responsibility?'
You don't practice responsibility, but you guys sure as hell talk a good game.
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You don't understand the issues your talking about which goes along way in explaining your misperception of .
Every working person pays taxes. Payroll taxes and annual taxes are all taxes. We've been through this over and over. If you choose to remain ignorant, I can't help ya.
His definition of wealthy has not changed in regards to taxes.
You did not vote for Obama- I did. Obviously we view his policies differently.
Because I view most of his policy as pretty sound, doesvnot mean I regard him as a messiah. What you are saying doesn't even make sense. Please cease with the "savior" foolishness.You're way more committed to it than any one who voted for Obama.
oh no no no bro you cant have it both ways i see what your saying but with that logic he shouldnt be able to say that he will cut taxes for 95% of the american ppl but not take into account capital gains tax...you cant have your cake and eat it to and omitions are shit and ways of dooping ppl and guess what it worked.
hes definition has changed many times it was 1million then 500,000 now 250,000 and according to biden which the obama campaign never commented on its 150,000.
Ill stop when you give me reason to and as of right now you have again defended him at every turn.
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oh no no no bro you cant have it both ways i see what your saying but with that logic he shouldnt be able to say that he will cut taxes for 95% of the american ppl but not take into account capital gains tax...you cant have your cake and eat it to and omitions are shit and ways of dooping ppl and guess what it worked.
hes definition has changed many times it was 1million then 500,000 now 250,000 and according to biden which the obama campaign never commented on its 150,000.
Ill stop when you give me reason to and as of right now you have again defended him at every turn.
No.
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No.
HELL YA ::)
you dont agree that his omissions are shit?
or that he was a dumb ass and spineless for sitting in a racist hate mongering church for 20 yrs b/c he didnt want to lose support in his district?
Or that his tax policies are shit and will never get put in place the way he sold them to the american public?
but his faults are he is good at rhetoric, played the race card, and that he used jay z and pdiddy to help his campaign ::) LOL ya your right you have real problems with this guy ::) like i said you have done absolutely nothing to discredit his status as savior to the lefties. Now i will say i respect you more than most on here for even engaging in this discussion but your wrong and plz tell me how i was wrong with my misconceptions about his policy?
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HELL YA ::)
you dont agree that his omissions are shit?
or that he was a dumb ass and spineless for sitting in a racist hate mongering church for 20 yrs b/c he didnt want to lose support in his district?
Or that his tax policies are shit and will never get put in place the way he sold them to the american public?
but his faults are he is good at rhetoric, played the race card, and that he used jay z and pdiddy to help his campaign ::) LOL ya your right you have real problems with this guy ::) like i said you have done absolutely nothing to discredit his status as savior to the lefties. Now i will say i respect you more than most on here for even engaging in this discussion but your wrong and plz tell me how i was wrong with my misconceptions about his policy?
I never said I have real problems with him. I agree with the majority of his policies and believe he will be an infinitely better president than our current. You initially stated that I must believe he's my saviour because I couldn't list one single fault he had. Now, you are claiming that I must believe he's my saviour because I don't disagree with his policies as strongly as you do? Newsflash: I VOTED FOR HIM! Of course I support most of his policies. The faults you listed range from inaccurate to irrelevant.
As for your misconception of his policies, I partially addressed them in this thread and we have hashed them over for weeks. None of it is that complicated. I can only hazard a guess as to wy you choose to misunderstand them.
There are multiple threads on the payroll tax/income tax debate. It is simple as a pie.
Obama never redefined the definition of wealthy in regards to tax cuts. The 250,000 mark was set by Bush. Obama's tax plan actually just expedites the expiration date of a temporary tax cut that was enacted during Bush's first term. The number has always stayed the same.
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I never said I have real problems with him. I agree with the majority of his policies and believe he will be an infinitely better president than our current. You initially stated that I must believe he's my saviour because I couldn't list one single fault he had. Now, you are claiming that I must believe he's my saviour because I don't disagree with his policies as strongly as you do? Newsflash: I VOTED FOR HIM! Of course I support most of his policies. The faults you listed range from inaccurate to irrelevant.
As for your misconception of his policies, I partially addressed them in this thread and we have hashed them over for weeks. None of it is that complicated. I can only hazard a guess as to wy you choose to misunderstand them.
There are multiple threads on the payroll tax/income tax debate. It is simple as a pie.
Obama never redefined the definition of wealthy in regards to tax cuts. The 250,000 mark was set by Bush. Obama's tax plan actually just expedites the expiration date of a temporary tax cut that was enacted during Bush's first term. The number has always stayed the same.
First off the "faults" and yes ill use the quotations since they arent real faults you mentioned are shit and you know it. nobodies policies are perfect and the fact that you refuse to igknowledge even one flaw in his policies proves the point.
Second again i understand where you are coming from on his tax policies but you assert something that was left out to help him in one instance and leave out something that will hurt his assertion in another instance again refusing to see his flaws.
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First off the "faults" and yes ill use the quotations since they arent real faults you mentioned are shit and you know it. nobodies policies are perfect and the fact that you refuse to igknowledge even one flaw in his policies proves the point.
Second again i understand where you are coming from on his tax policies but you assert something that was left out to help him in one instance and leave out something that will hurt his assertion in another instance again refusing to see his flaws.
You are changing your argument. You've gone from "you can't find any faults, therefore you're a sheeple" to :"you don't see the same faults I do, therfore you're a sheeple"
I'll admit, his definition of wealth changed. Biden was actually reprimanded for his deviation, from what I recall. I don't think it's that big of a deal for a campaign to tweak it's message. The biggest deviation seemed to be from 97,000 to 250,000. Contrary to your earlier post, according to that video, he consistently RAISED the minimum definition of wealth. There was no mention of $500,000 or 1 million.
As for the payroll taxes, it couldn't be simpler. What do you think a tax refund is?
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You are changing your argument. You've gone from "you can't find any faults, therefore you're a sheeple" to :"you don't see the same faults I do, therfore you're a sheeple"
I'll admit, his definition of wealth changed. Biden was actually reprimanded for his deviation, from what I recall. I don't think it's that big of a deal for a campaign to tweak it's message. The biggest deviation seemed to be from 97,000 to 250,000. Contrary to your earlier post, according to that video, he consistently RAISED the minimum definition of wealth. There was no mention of $500,000 or 1 million.
As for the payroll taxes, it couldn't be simpler. What do you think a tax refund is?
Maybe i should have been more clear what faults do you find in his policies?
LOL you really think what you posted are faults? you really dont find any faults in his policies not one? again im not saying you are wrong about your stance on his payroll tax what im saying is you are filling in things he left out on that subject and leaving things out that he intentionally left out when it comes to capital gains tax and him cutting taxes for 95% of all working americans.
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Maybe i should have been more clear what faults do you find in his policies?
LOL you really think what you posted are faults? you really dont find any faults in his policies not one? again im not saying you are wrong about your stance on his payroll tax what im saying is you are filling in things he left out on that subject and leaving things out that he intentionally left out when it comes to capital gains tax and him cutting taxes for 95% of all working americans.
Hey, I don't expect a candidate to share my viewpoints down to the letter. I don't think the majority of voters feel that way. i would assume that most have a few important issues and their interest levels on the others range from "casual indifference" to "rat's ass". I agreed with his stance on the war, I don't believe in trickle down economics, so I preferred his tax plan to McCain's and the thing he won me over with is his belief in stronger regulation for corporations. I also liked his energy policy. Beyond that, I really don't have strong opinions on his platform. I don't think the majority of Amaricans concern themselves with issues they don't have an interest in. Of what I've read of his platform, there is nothing that I am dramatically opposed to. That does not mean I believe his the next Messiah. If you believe this means I am brainwashed, then I suppose I will just have to live with that.
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Hey, I don't expect a candidate to share my viewpoints down to the letter. I don't think the majority of voters feel that way. i would assume that most have a few important issues and their interest levels on the others range from "casual indifference" to "rat's ass". I agreed with his stance on the war, I don't believe in trickle down economics, so I preferred his tax plan to McCain's and the thing he won me over with is his belief in stronger regulation for corporations. I also liked his energy policy. Beyond that, I really don't have strong opinions on his platform. I don't think the majority of Amaricans concern themselves with issues they don't have an interest in. Of what I've read of his platform, there is nothing that I am dramatically opposed to. That does not mean I believe his the next Messiah. If you believe this means I am brainwashed, then I suppose I will just have to live with that.
im not trying to be a dick here im really not but when asked why i say that he is ppls savior i replied b/c ppl fail to see any faults and defend him at every turn. Again you dont see anything wrong with his policies not one? his faults as you see it are he is good a rhetoric, played the race card and used celebrities to help his campaign LOL lets be honest and say that these are very superficial and if you dont know of any faults in his policies or person and you voted for this person then im sorry to say you are a misinformed voter.
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LURKER ur an idiot...and for the last time...I'm not a "bean counter" ok dipshit.
I did this.......
Hey hh6, are you a 19K?
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First of all, being a misinformed voter and being brainwashed are not the same thing.
Secondly, that conclusion is complete bullshit.Your entire position is that a candidate must have a position you strongly disagree with and that's a faulty starting point.
My previous post explains elaborates even further.
However, even if that wasn't the case, then guess what? Big freakin' deal. If I am familiar with McCain's policies on the issues I care about and prefer Obama's, then I vote for Obama. Even if I don't bother to learn any of the other issues, it remains just a vote for president, not my new lord and savior.
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First of all, being a misinformed voter and being brainwashed are not the same thing.
Secondly, that conclusion is complete bullshit.Your entire position is that a candidate must have a position you strongly disagree with and that's a faulty starting point.
My previous post explains elaborates even further.
However, even if that wasn't the case, then guess what? Big freakin' deal. If I am familiar with McCain's policies on the issues I care about and prefer Obama's, then I vote for Obama. Even if I don't bother to learn any of the other issues, it remains just a vote for president, not my new lord and savior.
You dont have to stongly disagree with his stances on issues but to say that you dont have any problems with his stances on ALL ISSUES means either you put him beyond wrongs or you are misinformed, which one is it?
LOL you havent given me one issue you even slightly disagree with please give me one? LOL again you asked why I say that he is ppls savior and again how do ppl treat a savior, he is infalliable and incapable of wrong...you have defended him at every turn and given superficial at BEST faults...LOL you have proven my point.
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I never asked why you say he's people's savior.You do that because you're a drama queen who needs to justify his political beliefs in the face of the country overwhelmingly rejecting them. You know good and well that people vote for POTUS to be an administrator, not their lord and christ. The overwhelming support he got is largely a rejection of the administration that preceded him, yet you can't admit that. You're more comfortable attributing it to mass hysteria. Whatevs.
The faults I listed ARE superficial. I don't have any real problems with Obama. I like his positions on the issues that are important to me- don't have any real problems with the rest. The stretch from "candidate one supports" to "savior" does not even have a logical connection.
But just to make you happy, I went to the Obama site and looked up his position on rural issues and found one that bothered me:
Obama and Biden will combat methamphetamine use, improve health care, improve education, and upgrade infrastructure in rural areas.
I wonder how you feel about it.
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I never asked why you say he's people's savior.You do that because you're a drama queen who needs to justify his political beliefs in the face of the country overwhelmingly rejecting them. You know good and well that people vote for POTUS to be an administrator, not their lord and christ. The overwhelming support he got is largely a rejection of the administration that preceded him, yet you can't admit that. You're more comfortable attributing it to mass hysteria. Whatevs.
The faults I listed ARE superficial. I don't have any real problems with Obama. I like his positions on the issues that are important to me- don't have any real problems with the rest. The stretch from "candidate one supports" to "savior" does not even have a logical connection.
But just to make you happy, I went to the Obama site and looked up his position on rural issues and found one that bothered me:
I wonder how you feel about it.
LOL you assume that bush and or mccain embody my values and what i believe the government should stand for and you are SADLY mistaken. Again I dont really like mccain but he leans more my direction certainly much much more than obama. I will unequivocably admit that the reason obama recieved as much support as he did was b/c of the bush administration and a poorly run campaign from mccain but that doesnt excuse or give reason to the fact that many ppl cant find any fault in his policies or in his person even given the ridiculous rev wright debacle and defend him at every turn.
Its an expression for the final time, what qualities do a believer put in their savior, infalliable, incapable of wrong correct? well have you not seen this phenomena in his supporters?
What is it that bothers you about that statement?
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About this whole "savior/messiah" thing, yeah it's something more conservative folks like myself say kind of tongue-in-cheek... BUT there is definitely an element of truth to it. As I sat glued to my TV on Tuesday night, they showed Obama's acceptance speech and panned through the faces in the crowd. I just about gagged at all the looks of wide-eyed wonder, awe and admiration. It was as if these people were listening to Jesus. You think I'm exaggerating but I'm not--go back and look at the video for yourself.
Those people (and an obviously large number of voters all across America) have put so much faith and hope in this man. Listen to the "man on the street" interviews with some of them from that video Joe posted--they adore Obama but can't even articulate why because when it comes down to it, they have no idea what he's even about. 90% of them just quoted the "change" buzzword that was also the Clinton campaign's mantra in '92. One of his supporters admitted he disagreed with Obama's stance on many issues but was hopeful that he'd "change" after he was in office. How much sense does that make?
They think he's going to lead them to the promised land and lift them up out of their unfortunate circumstances, when the truth is that nobody can do that for them but themselves. And telling them the lie that they need someone else to do that for them is essentially keeping them down.
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I see things differently. I think after the last eight years, people understand just how much a bad president can fuck the country. The Bush administration was such a disaster that the majority of the country feel like we're coming out of some sort of nightmare.
There are high hopes for Obama, but this type of anticipation has happened before. This is very similar to the way Reagan took office. This board wasn't around then, so I'll avoid debating whether or not you would have held the same criticism for Reagan supporters.
Even in the man on the street segment you referenced, whether or not you feel the interviewees were being rational, there was nothing particularly fantastical or crazy about the way they described Obama. It basically began end ended with hopes that he'd be a good president.