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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: shrek on November 06, 2008, 04:13:16 PM
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what is the deal all over the media and internet articles.. how many of yall had ROID RAGE? do yall get depressed cause your not juiceing or what..... and the cancer shit that i have read is that because of Lyle Alzeta
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Media hype...steroids are the new crack right now.
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Media hype...steroids are the new crack right now.
have you tryed crack?
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have you tryed crack?
Nope.
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what is the deal all over the media and internet articles.. how many of yall had ROID RAGE? do yall get depressed cause your not juiceing or what..... and the cancer shit that i have read is that because of Lyle Alzeta
No I don't. I've never been a "cycle warrior". As I've said in the past I'll continue to train with or without steroids.
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BTW - Lyle Alzado was full of shit.
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it just that i read on sites that is promoting steroids and how to and all kind of info and then in the side affects there is a the whole list of shit that officials or dr. will resite
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have you tryed crack?
Obama is goint to make crack free for ALL his voters!
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it just that i read on sites that is promoting steroids and how to and all kind of info and then in the side affects there is a the whole list of shit that officials or dr. will resite
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here.
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you know all reasons they tell you why not to use its just odd that they show up on a site that is pro steroids
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you know all reasons they tell you why not to use its just odd that they show up on a site that is pro steroids
I see. IMO you're looking too deep into it.
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Hormones appear to be pretty addictive. After the boost you dont want to go back.
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Hormones appear to be pretty addictive. After the boost you dont want to go back.
True. Any "addiction" to steroids is psychological. However, that part of an addiction can be the toughest to break.
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i love heroin, it feels like 1000 orgasms at the same time.
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True. Any "addiction" to steroids is psychological. However, that part of an addiction can be the toughest to break.
For sure, the mind is very strong.
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I would say the results you get from them are addictive
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I would say the results you get from them are addictive
Agreed
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what is the deal all over the media and internet articles.. how many of yall had ROID RAGE? do yall get depressed cause your not juiceing or what..... and the cancer shit that i have read is that because of Lyle Alzeta
You've been reading too many press clippings.......
Stop paying attention to the media and start talking to real lifters, people who use AAS.
If you're an asshole before AAS, you'll be a worse asshole on AAS. ;D
DIV
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I just orderd 60 10mi. bottles, i'm not addicted i just want to make sure i don't run out.
I love opening my medicine cabinet and seeing all my soldiers standing tall lol.
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I just orderd 60 10mi. bottles, i'm not addicted i just want to make sure i don't run out.
I love opening my medicine cabinet and seeing all my soldiers standing tall lol.
thats nothing my friend ;D
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You've been reading too many press clippings.......
Stop paying attention to the media and start talking to real lifters, people who use AAS.
If you're an asshole before AAS, you'll be a worse asshole on AAS. ;D
DIV
Yes and no. While the media overvillifies steroids, users and some guys on the boards tend to be a little reckless imo and make sweeping claims like "steroids aren't bad for you" or even that they're good for you. Which steroids? At what doses?
A well informed doctor who is willing to have a discussion (and not just say "They're bad, mmmk?"), who could inform you about effects on LDL, liver, HPTA effects, etc, and the implications of those sides, would be your best source of info, if you can find him.
Steroids are not physically addictive, but they can be psychologically addictive, even enough that users will disregard detriments to their physical well being. I don't know why you mentioned roid rage in connection with addiction, shrek. That's more of a side effect, and independent of addiction. I've noticed an increase in my aggressiveness on even low doses of test so it's not imaginary, but nothing that erupted into "rage." Your actions are still your own. Again, the media badly overstates it and calls it "roid rage" while some users will totally deny any change in aggressiveness at all, but the truth is in the middle.
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I just orderd 60 10mi. bottles, i'm not addicted i just want to make sure i don't run out.
I love opening my medicine cabinet and seeing all my soldiers standing tall lol.
I know that's just to get started.
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I know that's just to get started.
Wtf? 60 10ml bottles? I guessing it's 250 mg/ml. That would give you a gram a week for 3 years straight. What the hell kind of cycle are you running if that's just getting you started?! :o
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Yes and no. While the media overvillifies steroids, users and some guys on the boards tend to be a little reckless imo and make sweeping claims like "steroids aren't bad for you" or even that they're good for you. Which steroids? At what doses?
A well informed doctor who is willing to have a discussion (and not just say "They're bad, mmmk?"), who could inform you about effects on LDL, liver, HPTA effects, etc, and the implications of those sides, would be your best source of info, if you can find him.
Steroids are not physically addictive, but they can be psychologically addictive, even enough that users will disregard detriments to their physical well being. I don't know why you mentioned roid rage in connection with addiction, shrek. That's more of a side effect, and independent of addiction. I've noticed an increase in my aggressiveness on even low doses of test so it's not imaginary, but nothing that erupted into "rage." Your actions are still your own. Again, the media badly overstates it and calls it "roid rage" while some users will totally deny any change in aggressiveness at all, but the truth is in the middle.
Labwork, my friend..........Labwork.
DIV
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Wtf? 60 10ml bottles? I guessing it's 250 mg/ml. That would give you a gram a week for 3 years straight. What the hell kind of cycle are you running if that's just getting you started?! :o
welcome to the dark side ;D
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welcome to the dark side ;D
The Darkside.
DIV
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welcome to the dark side ;D
3g a week for a year. 6g a week for 6 months. 12g a week for 12 weeks. Plus other compounds?! Lmfao!
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Labwork, my friend..........Labwork.
DIV
What do you mean? Just get your own labwork done and interpret it yourself? Can you do that over there?
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What do you mean? Just get your own labwork done and interpret it yourself? Can you do that over there?
My primary doc is an endocrinologist, so yes I read my own lab work.
DIV
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Your doc may give you all your bloodwork in an envelope to give to your endocrinologist. I usually have a quick squizz over them before I go.
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i think one has to explore what addiction is...
the meds say that the common sign of any addiction is 1. denying (i.e. "i can always quit") and/or 2. always finding arguments to justify the usage..
but see, if you accept that, then anything can be potentially addictive...you can say, that, for instance, training is addictive, or women are addictive, or whatever....
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What do you mean? Just get your own labwork done and interpret it yourself? Can you do that over there?
Your doctor should give you the lab work...there's no reason to hide it from you. It's not that hard to interpret it yourself.
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Wtf? 60 10ml bottles? I guessing it's 250 mg/ml. That would give you a gram a week for 3 years straight. What the hell kind of cycle are you running if that's just getting you started?! :o
;D ;D ..like IO said...
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Your doctor should give you the lab work...there's no reason to hide it from you. It's not that hard to interpret it yourself.
Hmmm, was my last post deleted?
Anyway, I though Div meant he could order tests from a lab himself without a doc's help but I see that's not the case.
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;D ;D ..like IO said...
Some wild & crazy guys in here!
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Hmmm, was my last post deleted?
Anyway, I though Div meant he could order tests from a lab himself without a doc's help but I see that's not the case.
Huh? Didn't see it haven't been on in over 12 hours.
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what is the deal all over the media and internet articles.. how many of yall had ROID RAGE? do yall get depressed cause your not juiceing or what..... and the cancer shit that i have read is that because of Lyle Alzeta
The media is controlled and is using propaganda against AAS, just like you see in all this political bullshit lately, it's all lies and misdirection.
AAS "can" make you more aggressive.
I never had depression while off cycle, i just didn't have the same motivation to train, but i still trained hard.
Lyle died of AIDS, he was a closet homo and had to blame something to go down in a blaze of glory. After all, he would look pretty silly if is hardcore pitbull manhood got destroyed by the fact he was gay. In fact he was a very emotional person who put on a show when he played football, in reality he was a gentle gay giant of a man, who used lots of steroids.
I've been clean for well over a year now and i feel great. My natural test is back in the high 400 range and i actually make decent gains in the gym when I'm eating correctly. AAS can mess you up if you are wreckless, but so can anything in life. I'm not sure if I'll ever use AAS again, but i can say with 100% honesty that they did not hurt me in any way, in fact they helped me in more ways than i can count.
8)
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Please read what AJ wrote, reply#5.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=246308.0
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Please read what AJ wrote, reply#5.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=246308.0
It's refreshing to see that much honesty. Arnold is a class act.
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i agree bout the media hype due to roid rage but i also agree that if youre an arsehole before gear itll just make a you a bigger arsehole as for addiction the gains and overall feeling when on is appealing and you sometimes dont want to come off but eventually you have to i think thats why alot of people now bridge or cruise between cycles they dread the crash
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It's refreshing to see that much honesty. Arnold is a class act.
Arnold is honest, sometimes a bit too secretive, but yes he's honest. :P
DIV
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Arnold is honest, sometimes a bit too secretive, but yes he's honest. :P
DIV
Aren't we all though?
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It's refreshing to see that much honesty. Arnold is a class act.
He is also a Champion...quite the masculine one at that.
Arnold is honest, sometimes a bit too secretive, but yes he's honest. :P
DIV
He has to be, his plans and goals in life depend on it.
Seriously, when it comes to being secretive, most of you will probably know a lot more about me in the very near future because of probodybuilding.com. That is if once the site is completely finished you people get on there.
All my writing on that site is done under my "Real" name...some of you already know that. But the money shot, a video profile of myself that will be up on the site. So if you watch that you will see Arnold jr in the flesh, see the Champion as he lives and breathes, here his thick southern accent, as well as the massive bulge in his pants. You will finally see what it takes to live up to the name "Arnold jr." 8)
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Seriously, when it comes to being secretive, most of you will probably know a lot more about me in the very near future because of probodybuilding.com. That is if once the site is completely finished you people get on there.
All my writing on that site is done under my "Real" name...some of you already know that. But the money shot, a video profile of myself that will be up on the site. So if you watch that you will see Arnold jr in the flesh, see the Champion as he lives and breathes, here his thick southern accent, as well as the massive bulge in his pants. You will finally see what it takes to live up to the name "Arnold jr." 8)
Be careful what you release on the website, you only want so much publicity.
I think alot of times it's better to be anonymous because fame can bring its own contraints upon your life.
DIV
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Be careful what you release on the website, you only want so much publicity.
I think alot of times it's better to be anonymous because fame can bring its own contraints upon your life.
DIV
Well I don't see me becoming famous from something like that. I haven't decided yet, but I may leave the Arnold jr character behind me at some point...I don't know.
I do feel like because of the website that at some point I will need to be more of an actual person so to speak...I can't live under a fake name over there. It just doesn't look good.
When it comes to getbig, having a fake name, who cares? People can take what you say as truth or bullshit, it doesn't matter. It would matter in this case IMO.
If I do leave the Arnold jr name and put him to rest at some point, I hereby make this decree:
Upon the passing of Arnold jr, Luv2Hurt will immediately take his place as getbig.com steroid info & hardcore Mod.
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Well I don't see me becoming famous from something like that. I haven't decided yet, but I may leave the Arnold jr character behind me at some point...I don't know.
I do feel like because of the website that at some point I will need to be more of an actual person so to speak...I can't live under a fake name over there. It just doesn't look good.
When it comes to getbig, having a fake name, who cares? People can take what you say as truth or bullshit, it doesn't matter. It would matter in this case IMO.
If I do leave the Arnold jr name and put him to rest at some point, I hereby make this decree:
Upon the passing of Arnold jr, Luv2Hurt will immediately take his place as getbig.com steroid info & hardcore Mod.
I actually agree with Hurt2Luv as Mod, but it's up to Ron....
I think you should publish your work under a pen name, it will keep you safe in the long run.
It's up to you, though.
DIV
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emmortal would be a good mod as well as van bilderass
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emmortal would be a good mod as well as van bilderass
Yes.
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when i came off i lost motivation to trian too. got weaker, but am still busting my ass to keep as much of the gains as possible. also i am not depressed, but just bitter that my (first) cycle was only 8 weeks, and my best gains were coming right as i ran out. so thats why cycle #2 is gonna be 15 weeks, and will result in myself being much more satisfied. does that sound like an addict talking? ???
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i love heroin, it feels like 1000 orgasms at the same time.
Is this true??? I might try it once...seriously!!!
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Well I don't see me becoming famous from something like that. I haven't decided yet, but I may leave the Arnold jr character behind me at some point...I don't know.
I do feel like because of the website that at some point I will need to be more of an actual person so to speak...I can't live under a fake name over there. It just doesn't look good.
When it comes to getbig, having a fake name, who cares? People can take what you say as truth or bullshit, it doesn't matter. It would matter in this case IMO.
If I do leave the Arnold jr name and put him to rest at some point, I hereby make this decree:
Upon the passing of Arnold jr, Luv2Hurt will immediately take his place as getbig.com steroid info & hardcore Mod.
Your probally right about what you said about yourself, probally a need to be a person as you move forward, you can do that no problem.
And thanks to you and DIV for saying i would be a good mod. Means a lot comming from 2 top mods/names in this game.
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Your probally right about what you said about yourself, probally a need to be a person as you move forward, you can do that no problem.
And thanks to you and DIV for saying i would be a good mod. Means a lot comming from 2 top mods/names in this game.
I think you'd make a good Mod because you aren't so emotional about everything.
But if you do become a Mod you'll need to use the "delete" function ALOT. :-X
DIV
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You have my vote also Luv! I think you'd do a fine job, and as DIV said you have a pretty level head.
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From DSM IV: "SUBSTANCE ABUSE:
One or more of the following:
FAILURE TO FULFILL MAJOR OBLIGATIONS
USE WHEN PHYSICALLY HAZARDOUS
RECURRENT LEGAL PROBLEMS
RECURRENT SOCIAL OR INTERPERSONAL PROBLEMS
With SUBSTANCE ABUSE the user has a choice: he/she uses in spite of illegal, unsafe consequences, or inappropriateness of the drinking/drugging experience.
SUBSTANCE DEPENDENCE (ADDICTION/ALCOHOLISM)
Three or more of the following:
TOLERANCE
WITHDRAWAL
LARGE AMOUNTS OVER A LONG PERIOD
UNSUCCESSFUL EFFORTS TO CUT DOWN
TIME SPENT IN OBTAINING THE SUBSTANCE REPLACES
SOCIAL, OCCUPATIONAL OR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES
CONTINUED USE DESPITE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES"
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From DSM IV: "SUBSTANCE ABUSE:
One or more of the following:
FAILURE TO FULFILL MAJOR OBLIGATIONS
USE WHEN PHYSICALLY HAZARDOUS
RECURRENT LEGAL PROBLEMS
RECURRENT SOCIAL OR INTERPERSONAL PROBLEMS
With SUBSTANCE ABUSE the user has a choice: he/she uses in spite of illegal, unsafe consequences, or inappropriateness of the drinking/drugging experience.
SUBSTANCE DEPENDENCE (ADDICTION/ALCOHOLISM)
Three or more of the following:
TOLERANCE
WITHDRAWAL
LARGE AMOUNTS OVER A LONG PERIOD
UNSUCCESSFUL EFFORTS TO CUT DOWN
TIME SPENT IN OBTAINING THE SUBSTANCE REPLACES
SOCIAL, OCCUPATIONAL OR RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES
CONTINUED USE DESPITE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES"
Use and Abuse are really dependant on perspective.
If I'm a functioning AAS user, I'll live with that. ;D
DIV
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Use and Abuse are really dependant on perspective.
If I'm a functioning AAS user, I'll live with that. ;D
DIV
Not really.
The definition is right there in black and white. :)
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Not really.
The definition is right there in black and white. :)
The definition from the DSM is so conceptually rigid, what input do you think Junaid would have on this?
I'm not sure he'd agree.
DIV
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The definition from the DSM is so conceptually rigid, what input do you think Junaid would have on this?
I'm not sure he'd agree.
DIV
The definition is the definition, there's nothing to 'agree' on.
No matter how you slice it some people who use drugs are addicts. Changing the drug name doesn't affect the definition one bit, LOL!
Functional addiction is a cop out, especially if people use daily or can't function without the drug(s).
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The definition is the definition, there's nothing to 'agree' on.
No matter how you slice it some people who use drugs are addicts. Changing the drug name doesn't affect the definition one bit, LOL!
Functional addiction is a cop out, especially if people use daily or can't function without the drug(s).
Jake, we both know Junaid........have you had this talk with him? :-X
DIV
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Jake, we both know Junaid........have you had this talk with him? :-X
DIV
My three children are in the house with me right now. They're the only people I'm responsible for.
People should have these talks with themselves.
We both know you. Should I have a talk with you? :)
I was just answering the question on if steroid use qualifies as being addictive. That's it. People can read the definition and decide on their own.
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its very hard mentaly, its hard when your off for a while as u stop gettn those big pumps.. if u stick at it and keep the training and eating up you wont look as bad as u think, depending if youve had a good natural base to start with...
I used to compete at 16.7st and walk around at 19st pluss,, now im walking around at 16.7 with abbs and a little bit size that i can easily maintain even with a sack load of injuries, no more walkin round like a gorrilla, look good at the gym/beach/bedroom/nightclub, so thats enough to keep me happy..
my advise to anyone coming off after some heavy use is to realy taper down..if it doesnt feel right go back on again with lighter dose and taper down again and so on and so on,,, but as i mentioned, if u didnt have a good natural base to start with, you might be in for a shock..
And even tho i am happy with how i look now, id still jump at the chance to gear up again and force feed etc etc if my dodgy joints healed up,,,, so your never realy cured, you always think theres another bang left in you....
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I'd argue that steroids are highly addictive but doing a full study would harm individuals and wouldn't be legal. I still believe people should do what they will but just be honest about the risks.
The number one reason for prescription drug non-compliance in men is sexual dysfunction. For example, it means that most guys in heart failure would rather have a hard dick than live. How addictive must a substance be for someone to feel a limp dick is worth taking it when the typical male would literally rather die than lose sexual function?
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I'd argue that steroids are highly addictive but doing a full study would harm individuals and wouldn't be legal. I still believe people should do what they will but just be honest about the risks.
The number one reason for prescription drug non-compliance in men is sexual dysfunction. For example, it means that most guys in heart failure would rather have a hard dick than live. How addictive must a substance be for someone to feel a limp dick is worth taking it when the typical male would literally rather die than lose sexual function?
I think it's time for you to turn to the Darkside, doctor.
It's been calling your name for awhile now.
HRT awaits, my son. :-\
DIV
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I think it's time for you to turn to the Darkside, doctor.
It's been calling your name for awhile now.
HRT awaits, my son. :-\
DIV
I'm in decent enough shape for a guy my age, LOL!
If my Star Wars knowledge is correct, wasn't the Dark side based upon fear? :)
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I'm in decent enough shape for a guy my age, LOL!
If my Star Wars knowledge is correct, wasn't the Dark side based upon fear? :)
It's all a matter of perspective, Jake.
For some, fear is based on love, isn't that how George Bush got elected President?
Others believe that love sets you free.
The Darkside is all things to all people.
DIV
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It's all a matter of perspective, Jake.
For some, fear is based on love, isn't that how George Bush got elected President?
Others believe that love sets you free.
The Darkside is all things to all people.
DIV
Perspectives don't change the definition.
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Perspectives don't change the definition.
You're arguing semantics with me Jake.
What's really on your mind, bro?
I know something's bothering you.
DIV
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You're arguing semantics with me Jake.
What's really on your mind, bro?
I know something's bothering you.
DIV
The definition, is the definition, is the definition... semantics don't have anything to do with it. :) It's not like I made a crack head comparison, LOL! Someone asked and I answered.
Either way, I don't see what the big deal is or why classifying certain behaviors and substances as addictive is offensive. Classifications don't affect use and you've probably read enough to get that addiction is defined independent of the drug used.
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The definition, is the definition, is the definition... semantics don't have anything to do with it. :) It's not like I made a crack head comparison, LOL! Someone asked and I answered.
Either way, I don't see what the big deal is or why classifying certain behaviors and substances as addictive is offensive. Classifications don't affect use and you've probably read enough to get that addiction is defined independent of the drug used.
Jake,
I sense something amiss with you.
Girlfriend and everything going smooth?
Something must be out of sorts.
DIV
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Jake,
I sense something amiss with you.
Girlfriend and everything going smooth?
Something must be out of sorts.
DIV
Amiss? No.
I simply answered a question and can't see what the big deal is. If the difference in opinion were over semantics, we'd be saying the same thing.
I don't have any issues with guys who supplement. Heck, one of the guys I used to train with needed sups and couldn't work out when off. Nice guy but I sort of felt a little bad for him. He had this hot GF with a seriously thick, round booty but she didn't appreciate on of the side effects and dumped him. Bad part is she let everyone know about his 'issue' at the gym.
When on, dude was jacked and I couldn't keep up because he never got tired.
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Amiss? No.
I simply answered a question and can't see what the big deal is. If the difference in opinion were over semantics, we'd be saying the same thing.
I don't have any issues with guys who supplement. Heck, one of the guys I used to train with needed sups and couldn't work out when off. Nice guy but I sort of felt a little bad for him. He had this hot GF with a seriously thick, round booty but she didn't appreciate on of the side effects and dumped him. Bad part is she let everyone know about his 'issue' at the gym.
When on, dude was jacked and I couldn't keep up because he never got tired.
Whenever you decide to turn to the Darkside, let me know.
I can help you, Jake.
DIV