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http://www.massresistance.org/docs/m...ts_of_ssm.html
Anyone who thinks that same-sex “marriage” is a benign eccentricity which won’t affect the average person should consider what it has done in Massachusetts.
It’s become a hammer to force the acceptance and normalization of homosexuality on everyone. And this train is moving fast. What has happened so far is only the beginning.
On November 18, 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court announced its Goodridge opinion, ruling that it was unconstitutional not to allow same-sex “marriage.” Six months later, homosexual marriages began to be performed.
The public schools
The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.
At my own children's high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003.
It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage – how it is now a normal part of society – was handed out to the students.
Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality.
“In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say, `Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.
By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.
Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.
In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!
Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!
In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”
Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.
Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.
It’s become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for teachers to prominently display photos of their same-sex “spouses” and occasionally bring them to school functions.
Both high schools in my own town now have principals who are “married” to their same-sex partners, whom they bring to school and introduce to the students.
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Get used to it, LOL!
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Seems like we are going to have to.
Even when voted against the courts will jus tell you your vote means nothing.
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http://www.massresistance.org/docs/m...ts_of_ssm.html
Anyone who thinks that same-sex “marriage” is a benign eccentricity which won’t affect the average person should consider what it has done in Massachusetts.
It’s become a hammer to force the acceptance and normalization of homosexuality on everyone. And this train is moving fast. What has happened so far is only the beginning.
On November 18, 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court announced its Goodridge opinion, ruling that it was unconstitutional not to allow same-sex “marriage.” Six months later, homosexual marriages began to be performed.
The public schools
The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.
At my own children's high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003.
It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage – how it is now a normal part of society – was handed out to the students.
Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality.
“In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say, `Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.
By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.
Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.
In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!
Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!
In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”
Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.
Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.
It’s become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for teachers to prominently display photos of their same-sex “spouses” and occasionally bring them to school functions.
Both high schools in my own town now have principals who are “married” to their same-sex partners, whom they bring to school and introduce to the students.
Why are you so afraid of homosexuaity? So what if kids learn about it? What's going to happen? By the way a ban gay marriage is just a way to deny them the same rights that heterosexual couples have. They can still be married by their church and live the gay life. The only difference is that you are denying equal rights. Either way, the homos ain't going away. You should live your life, and let others live theirs...
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Seems like we are going to have to.
Even when voted against the courts will jus tell you your vote means nothing.
exactly! they can all still get married in their churches. they just are not being granted the same rights. so...live with it.
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All you people talking like the world will implode if a state legalizes gay marriage are hilarious. It's not the end of the world. Why are people so infatuated with how other's live their life? Marriage is such a farce at this point in our country regardless.
Oh no, but they put books in the library about homosexuality! They can go right alongside all the other kinds of controversial books libraries usually carry.
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There's still no reason for introducing children to alternate lifestyles.
What's next?
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There are more important issues IMO, but we have appropriately recognized civil unions that give the same basic rights, we shouldn't be redefining marriage.
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Why are you so afraid of homosexuaity? So what if kids learn about it? What's going to happen? By the way a ban gay marriage is just a way to deny them the same rights that heterosexual couples have. They can still be married by their church and live the gay life. The only difference is that you are denying equal rights. Either way, the homos ain't going away. You should live your life, and let others live theirs...
I think its funny that whenever somebody is against gay marriage you assume there afraid of homosexuals.
Being gay is a lifestyle choice and so is being a petafile. So should we would also start having petafiles going to schools explaining how its ok and acceptable?
I dont care who is gay. But do not bring it into public schools, and force my kid to listen to how great being gay is.
Marriage is between a man and a woman period, and the majority of U.S. agrees.
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There are more important issues IMO, but we have appropriately recognized civil unions that give the same basic rights, we shouldn't be redefining marriage.
Well said.
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And I agree with the Doc. We must teach tolerance but don't focus or set aside teaching time for same sex relationships in public schools. Inappropriate. Too many agendas and indoctrinations. We have our work cut out for us in educating American children already.
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Just another reason to avoid public schools.
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I think its funny that whenever somebody is against gay marriage you assume there afraid of homosexuals.
Being gay is a lifestyle choice and so is being a petafile. So should we would also start having petafiles going to schools explaining how its ok and acceptable?
I dont care who is gay. But do not bring it into public schools, and force my kid to listen to how great being gay is.
Marriage is between a man and a woman period, and the majority of U.S. agrees.
How on earth can you actually believe that being gay is a choice? I love pussy. Pussy pussy pussy. Why would I wake up one day and CHOOSE to instead like cock!? Seriously man...are you for real ???
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Fucking hysterical...end of the fucking world... :D
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How on earth can you actually believe that being gay is a choice? I love pussy. Pussy pussy pussy. Why would I wake up one day and CHOOSE to instead like cock!? Seriously man...are you for real ???
There are plenty of men who late in life decide that they want to be with other men instead of a woman.
You could say the pressure of society made them hide themselves. A majority of the time that may be true. Sometimes I am sure its a choice that is made.
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There are plenty of men who late in life decide that they want to be with other men instead of a woman.
You could say the pressure of society made them hide themselves. A majority of the time that may be true. Sometimes I am sure its a choice that is made.
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Mike77, Can you back up your info from another source other than massresistance.org? Seems like a lot of hearsay or info created by that extreme right-wing organization with their specific agenda than credible facts.
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Yeah I will look around for some other reports.
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Will gay marriage be taught in public schools if Prop. 8 fails?
UPDATE: Local school board members and district officials say they will not adopt policies to change marriage definition in school curriculum even if Prop. 8 fails.
By FERMIN LEAL
The Orange County Register
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The school-teacher type woman sits on a desk in front of a blackboard to deliver her message: “Gay marriages have everything to do with schools.
She clicks on a television screen, where viewers meet Robb and Robin Wirthlin of Lexington, Mass.
“Our son came home and told us the school taught him that boys can marry other boys. He’s in second grade,” says Robin Wirthlin, who, with her husband, unsuccessfully sued their school district after a teacher discussed gay marriage in the classroom.
The 30-second TV commercial warns that if California voters reject Proposition 8 – a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as being between a man and woman – local schools could emulate Massachusetts and teach young children about gay marriage.
Is that true? The answer, as it turns out, is a bit cloudy.
Hilary McLean, a spokeswoman for state Superintendent Jack O’Connell, said the decision to teach gay marriage lies with local communities and school boards.
“Schools are not required to talk about marriage at all,” McLean said. “It’s up to local school districts to decide.”
The state Education Code will be unaffected by passage or failure of Prop. 8.
The code only instructs schools to “teach respect for marriage and committed relationships” as part of health and sex education curriculum. The code allows districts to decide against teaching health and sex education, and allows parents to pull their children from those classes or others dealing with sensitive subject matters.
Ocean View School District trustee John Briscoe, a supporter of Prop. 8, said the Education Code and state curriculum may not change right away if Prop. 8 fails, but having gay marriage become legal would eventually prompt challenges to reflect the law of the land, limiting the decision-making power of local school boards.
“Local schools boards can approve their own curriculum, but they must meet under the umbrella of state standards,” Briscoe said. “To say that the state department of education’s hands will be free of this gay marriage issue is false.”
Santa Ana Unified trustee Rosemarie Avila, another supporter of Prop. 8, also said she would oppose policies to incorporate gay marriage into the curriculum, but the state often has more than control over curriculum like sex education than local school boards.
None of the state’s 1,000 districts have so far adopted policies to reflect May's state Supreme Court’s legalization of gay marriage. Officials from other county school districts said they doubt any local agencies would voluntarily be willing to take on the issue by adopting policies that incorporate aspects of gay marriage if Prop. 8 fails.
“Proposition 8 does not deal with curriculum, so its passage or failure would not impact instruction,” said Ian Hanigan, spokesman for Irvine Unified, a district that offers comprehensive sex education instruction to adolescents. “There has never been a directive from the state that specifies marriage as applying to ‘heterosexual’ or ‘homosexual’ couples.”
In Garden Grove Unified, the concept of marriage is not taught as part of regular curriculum, so changes in the law would also not change class instruction, said Alan Trudell, the district’s spokesman.
Officials from Newport-Mesa Unified and Westminster School District also said they don’t expect the failure of Prop. 8 to change district policies, which do not require discussion of gender as it relates to marriage.
But Sonja Eddings Brown, deputy communications director for Protect Marriage Coalition, said the failure of Prop. 8 could allow for discussion of gay marriage to surface outside the sex education curriculum, and potentially in the early school grades.
“Schools begin talking to children about the characteristics of family and marriage as early as the second grade,” Brown said. “We are not challenging the rights of gays to marry, but what we are challenging is when those rights are forced into the classroom.”
Brown points to the Wirthlin lawsuit from Massachusetts, where a teacher read a fairy tale to students about how two princes kissed and could marry each other. The teacher did not notify parents prior to the reading.
In that case, a federal appeals court rejected the parents’ argument that the Lexington public school district should have given them prior notice that it was going to include books that include gay families on their student reading lists. The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear the case earlier this month, allowing the appeals court ruling to stand.
Robb and Robin Wirthlin are traveling through California campaigning for Prop. 8.
“This is why so many parents are getting behind Prop. 8,” Brown said. “If this fails, gay activists can come in and file lawsuits to demand gay marriage be included in class discussions about family.”
Kate Kendell, executive director for the national Center for Lesbian Rights, said it’s a mistake to compare Massachusetts education policy with that of California because of the different education laws and provisions for opting out offered to parents in California.
“The claim that Prop. 8 has anything to do with schools is a lie,” Kendell said. “The way children are taught today won’t change one bit.”
The California Teachers Association, state superintendent O’Connell, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, the American Civil Liberties Union, and gay and civil rights groups oppose Prop. 8, saying it is misleading to inject education into the debate over gay marriage.
“Bringing in education as part of the campaign for Prop. 8 is solely designed to scare people into supporting the elimination of rights of people to marry the person they love,” Kendell said.
On Tuesday, supporters of Prop. 8 attempted through blogs and e-mails to encourage parents to keep their kids home from school to protest a decision last week by the California Teachers Association to donate $1 million to the “No on Prop. 8” campaign. But local school districts reported no significant changes in absentee rates.
A poll released Friday by CBS news and SurveyUSA shows Prop. 8 leading with likely voters across the state, 48 percent to 45 percent.
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Being gay is a lifestyle choice and so is being a petafile. So should we would also start having petafiles going to schools explaining how its ok and acceptable?
please, oh please learn how to spell. It is pedophile in American English, paeodofile in Britain.
and the reason why pedophilia is not acceptable is the same reason bestiality is not: neither children nor animals are able to give consent.
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The problem with this is they are teaching and promoting behavior that has no place in a young persons life...2nd graders, are you kidding me?
Imagine it, if there was literature being handed out on how to properly fuck your girlfriend doggy style or how to make 69ing more exciting with your boy friend or girlfriend, if there was heterosexual literature like this being taught in the schools parents would be outraged...as well they should be. There are things that are appropriate in life at a certain age, and things that are not. Taking away a child's innocence is not appropriate. There is no need for it and this type of thing only leads to the degradation of a child's mind.
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The problem with this is they are teaching and promoting behavior that has no place in a young persons life...2nd graders, are you kidding me?
Imagine it, if there was literature being handed out on how to properly fuck your girlfriend doggy style or how to make 69ing more exciting with your boy friend or girlfriend, if there was heterosexual literature like this being taught in the schools parents would be outraged...as well they should be. There are things that are appropriate in life at a certain age, and things that are not. Taking away a child's innocence is not appropriate. There is no need for it and this type of thing only leads to the degradation of a child's mind.
Children have no innocence. Some of them fuck each other at age 10 these days.
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Children have no innocence. Some of them fuck each other at age 10 these days.
You're absolutely right, innocence is something that continues to be taken away from children more and more. IMO, it's a shame. There is no reason to subject children to certain things. Even though every human is responsible for their actions, even children, in this case the burden of responsibility lies within the society as a whole. It lies within the parents, the families...pretty much those who are not children.
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Children have no innocence. Some of them fuck each other at age 10 these days.
Yeah because they are exposed to shit that they shouldnt be at a young age.
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I think its funny that whenever somebody is against gay marriage you assume there afraid of homosexuals.
Being gay is a lifestyle choice and so is being a petafile. So should we would also start having petafiles going to schools explaining how its ok and acceptable?
I dont care who is gay. But do not bring it into public schools, and force my kid to listen to how great being gay is.
Marriage is between a man and a woman period, and the majority of U.S. agrees.
I think that is hillarious and quite ignorant as well...I have nothing against homosexuals, Ive had gay friends and wish them nothing but the best. I will not vote however for a redefinition of marriage, marriage is a religious institution and not up to the government to redefine. If they want to create civil unions i am all for that i want them to have the same rights straight ppl do and I will vote for that any day.
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The problem with this is they are teaching and promoting behavior that has no place in a young persons life...2nd graders, are you kidding me?
Imagine it, if there was literature being handed out on how to properly fuck your girlfriend doggy style or how to make 69ing more exciting with your boy friend or girlfriend, if there was heterosexual literature like this being taught in the schools parents would be outraged...as well they should be. There are things that are appropriate in life at a certain age, and things that are not. Taking away a child's innocence is not appropriate. There is no need for it and this type of thing only leads to the degradation of a child's mind.
Agreed. I haven't heard of that shit being pulled in our schools, but if I did I would be involved quickly. Let kids be friggin' kids.
Mike, I live in Mass and, believe me, this state can be like living on another planet at times. But to say homosexuality is a choices is just plain wrong. Maybe in extreme cases of abuse or something, but it's not a choice. Mindspin put it well.
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If u want to suck cock fine....buttfuck a moose...fine. But my child does not need to know about it, nor does he need to know how his male teacher pile drives his wife. Why the hell is that in the class room period. Gays assume we give a shit about what they do. I could care less, just don't do it near me, don't bring an agenda nor waste valuable school time teaching how the best way to put a strap-on..on is. Does anybody think the Chinese or Indians are teaching this to the millions of engineers and nuclear scientists they're attemtping to churn out.
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Imagine it, if there was literature being handed out on how to properly fuck your girlfriend doggy style or how to make 69ing more exciting with your boy friend or girlfriend, if there was heterosexual literature like this being taught in the schools parents would be outraged...as well they should be.
and nothing like that is happening to grade school children about homosexuality. the only thing that kids are being exposed to is that sometimes two men are a family, and sometimes two women are a family. sometimes those families have kids too.
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civil unions = marriage
we can settle this right here on GetBig.com
straights should take civil unions and give the gays marriage
I used to play a lot of chess and I would sometimes offer my opponents (especially if I was begging them to play) the option of reversing sides one time during the game if they wanted
there were plenty of times that I lost but it was always fun to be handed a new set of circumstances and still try to win
I think the uber-christain straights should do the same thing
let's face it, straight marriage directly leads to gay marriage and gay marriage slowly erodes the sanctity of straight marriage
we're fucked either way
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and nothing like that is happening to grade school children about homosexuality. the only thing that kids are being exposed to is that sometimes two men are a family, and sometimes two women are a family. sometimes those families have kids too.
The very first post in this thread, the whole point of this thread was to acknowledge that explicit sexual behavior of the homosexual nature was being taught in public schools to children. And this is not new news...this has been one of the major problems parents are having who have school age children where the gay marriage idea has been labeled acceptable.
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civil unions = marriage
we can settle this right here on GetBig.com
straights should take civil unions and give the gays marriage
I used to play a lot of chess and I would sometimes offer my opponents (especially if I was begging them to play) the option of reversing sides one time during the game if they wanted
there were plenty of times that I lost but it was always fun to be handed a new set of circumstances and still try to win
I think the uber-christain straights should do the same thing
let's face it, straight marriage directly leads to gay marriage and gay marriage slowly erodes the sanctity of straight marriage
we're fucked either way
I used to love chess. Now it gives me a headache.
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I think that is hillarious and quite ignorant as well...I have nothing against homosexuals, Ive had gay friends and wish them nothing but the best. I will not vote however for a redefinition of marriage, marriage is a religious institution and not up to the government to redefine. If they want to create civil unions i am all for that i want them to have the same rights straight ppl do and I will vote for that any day.
You nailed it my friend! Marriage should be a religious institution, not something for the government to define. However, that is NOT what is happening now. By Prop 8 passing, the government has ruled that Churches are not allowed to marry gay couples. Had it not passed, Churches would have had the freedom to decide if they wanted to marry gay couples. They would NOT have been obligated to do so...they simply would have had the option.
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If u want to suck cock fine....buttfuck a moose...fine. But my child does not need to know about it, nor does he need to know how his male teacher pile drives his wife. Why the hell is that in the class room period. Gays assume we give a shit about what they do. I could care less, just don't do it near me, don't bring an agenda nor waste valuable school time teaching how the best way to put a strap-on..on is. Does anybody think the Chinese or Indians are teaching this to the millions of engineers and nuclear scientists they're attemtping to churn out.
Why do you think that kids are being given instructions on how to butt fuck or fuzz bump? That is not happening now nor are homos asking that it be allowed....
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The very first post in this thread, the whole point of this thread was to acknowledge that explicit sexual behavior of the homosexual nature was being taught in public schools to children. And this is not new news...this has been one of the major problems parents are having who have school age children where the gay marriage idea has been labeled acceptable.
I live in CA and have a kindergartner & 2nd grader. Neither has been exposed to ANY type of sex ed. I would be very upset if they were regardless if it were gay shit or not.
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I live in CA and have a kindergartner & 2nd grader. Neither has been exposed to ANY type of sex ed. I would be very upset if they were regardless if it were gay shit or not.
You must not live in Hayward. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243895.0
Not sure how you explain this "pledge" to a kindergartner without explaining what "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender" means.
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You must not live in Hayward. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243895.0
Not sure how you explain this "pledge" to a kindergartner without explaining what "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender" means.
When are people going to stop pretending this is just about marriage?
civil unions = marriage
we can settle this right here on GetBig.com
straights should take civil unions and give the gays marriage
I used to play a lot of chess and I would sometimes offer my opponents (especially if I was begging them to play) the option of reversing sides one time during the game if they wanted
there were plenty of times that I lost but it was always fun to be handed a new set of circumstances and still try to win
I think the uber-christain straights should do the same thing
let's face it, straight marriage directly leads to gay marriage and gay marriage slowly erodes the sanctity of straight marriage
we're fucked either way
Can a Union be ended without a lawyer and losing half your stuff?
If so. Count me in. :)
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You must not live in Hayward. http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=243895.0
Not sure how you explain this "pledge" to a kindergartner without explaining what "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender" means.
Ha! That's fooked up. I would not want my kids being asked to sign that. Not because I am a homophob, but I want to be the one that explains these types of issues to my kids.
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If u want to suck cock fine....buttfuck a moose...fine. But my child does not need to know about it, nor does he need to know how his male teacher pile drives his wife. Why the hell is that in the class room period. Gays assume we give a shit about what they do. I could care less, just don't do it near me, don't bring an agenda nor waste valuable school time teaching how the best way to put a strap-on..on is. Does anybody think the Chinese or Indians are teaching this to the millions of engineers and nuclear scientists they're attemtping to churn out.
Good point. American Education is really in the gutter...
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I think that is hillarious and quite ignorant as well...I have nothing against homosexuals, Ive had gay friends and wish them nothing but the best. I will not vote however for a redefinition of marriage, marriage is a religious institution and not up to the government to redefine. If they want to create civil unions i am all for that i want them to have the same rights straight ppl do and I will vote for that any day.
You could not be more wrong. Marriage is a union conferred by the state, awarding kinship rights to two unrelated people. It is not a religious transaction.
In the beginning, marriage was the transfer of property/woman, from father to husband. Later it became a sharing of wealth through clan/family unions. Marriage has been around since before the Abrahamic religions and was always a business agreement, up until lately when we began to marry for love.
If you wish to be married you can do so without any religious interference at all, simply by taking a trip down to city hall. However, if you wish to have a religious embellishment to the union, you can, but first you have to purchase the license from the state.
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You could not be more wrong. Marriage is a union conferred by the state, awarding kinship rights to two unrelated people. It is not a religious transaction.
In the beginning, marriage was the transfer of property/woman, from father to husband. Later it became a sharing of wealth through clan/family unions. Marriage has been around since before the Abrahamic religions and was always a business agreement, up until lately when we began to marry for love.
If you wish to be married you can do so without any religious interference at all, simply by taking a trip down to city hall. However, if you wish to have a religious embellishment to the union, you can, but first you have to purchase the license from the state.
What you say is true......to a degree. Marriage was about business in many aspects. But, I disagree with you about "until lately when we began to marry for love". Love has always been part of marriage, for the most part. It just wasn't the driving force, behind it. I've said this before; but, to borrow a verse from an old song, "Your love gives me such a thrill; but your love don't pay my bills"
Material care was top priority, especially when it came to women. So was financial compensation for the family of the bride (hence the reason for the dowry).
It's safe to say that, if two youngsters fell in love and wanted to get hitched, they politicked with their respective parents to seal the deal. A guy, sprung over his girl, undoubtedly bugged dear old Dad to cough up some cattle, with a chicken thrown in for good measure, to get the girl of his dreams.
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I think its funny that whenever somebody is against gay marriage you assume there afraid of homosexuals.
Being gay is a lifestyle choice and so is being a petafile. So should we would also start having petafiles going to schools explaining how its ok and acceptable?
I dont care who is gay. But do not bring it into public schools, and force my kid to listen to how great being gay is.
Marriage is between a man and a woman period, and the majority of U.S. agrees.
what is a petafile? are u even an American?
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What you say is true......to a degree. Marriage was about business in many aspects. But, I disagree with you about "until lately when we began to marry for love". Love has always been part of marriage, for the most part. It just wasn't the driving force, behind it. I've said this before; but, to borrow a verse from an old song, "Your love gives me such a thrill; but your love don't pay my bills"
Material care was top priority, especially when it came to women. So was financial compensation for the family of the bride (hence the reason for the dowry).
It's safe to say that, if two youngsters fell in love and wanted to get hitched, they politicked with their respective parents to seal the deal. A guy, sprung over his girl, undoubtedly bugged dear old Dad to cough up some cattle, with a chicken thrown in for good measure, to get the girl of his dreams.
Have you ever read "The Age of Innocence"? Edith Wharton. :)
MCWAY, I'm gonna disagree with you back a little. :) If two families were poorer than dust on the ground, it probably was easier for kids who loved each other to get hitched. But if the boy's family had an extra goat, and the girl's had an influential elder, chances are they'd be shoved into matrimony even if both loved others. Twas just the way it was. Up until maybe the 1930's and post-war?
Love has always been around, but all the reams and reams of poetry and literature we've inherited, shows mostly it was unrequited. Old Celtic songs are filled with girls throwing themselves into the river, and boys pining away. John Donne... oy. People married through arrangement, and few really expected to marry whomever they loved. Love was something of dreams.
I think back in the days of yore, it was easier to marry the one you loved, if you got in the family way. (If the families didn't kill you first.) :)
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Have you ever read "The Age of Innocence"? Edith Wharton. :)
MCWAY, I'm gonna disagree with you back a little. :) If two families were poorer than dust on the ground, it probably was easier for kids who loved each other to get hitched. But if the boy's family had an extra goat, and the girl's had an influential elder, chances are they'd be shoved into matrimony even if both loved others. Twas just the way it was. Up until maybe the 1930's and post-war?
Love has always been around, but all the reams and reams of poetry and literature we've inherited, shows mostly it was unrequited. Old Celtic songs are filled with girls throwing themselves into the river, and boys pining away. John Donne... oy. People married through arrangement, and few really expected to marry whomever they loved. Love was something of dreams.
I think back in the days of yore, it was easier to marry the one you loved, if you got in the family way. (If the families didn't kill you first.) :)
You'll get no argument from me on that one, Deedee. I simply pointed out that arranged marriages weren't necessarly loveless ones.
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I think back in the days of yore, it was easier to marry the one you loved, if you got in the family way.
(If the families didn't kill you first.) :)
So what you're saying is that back in the old days... abortion killed both the fetus AND the mother?
hmmmm ...perhaps maybe, do you think that's why they made it legal... to avoid the death to the mother? ???
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http://www.massresistance.org/docs/m...ts_of_ssm.html
Anyone who thinks that same-sex “marriage” is a benign eccentricity which won’t affect the average person should consider what it has done in Massachusetts.
OMG, they are teaching equality! That's terrible, save the children, and all that BS. Nothing changed here in MA other then the fact two people of the same sex can now do the same stupid stuff the rest of us can do: get married, get divorced, and waste a lot of $$$ between the two. Terrorism, poverty, crime, nuclear waste, etc, etc. and THIS is the topic some people are willing to worry about? They need to get a life. Pitiful...