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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Boost on November 16, 2008, 12:33:06 PM
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Anyone done this?
I think i am carb sensitive. I alwys feel sluggish when eating tonnes of carbs.
Plus a high fat diet boosts test and GH for a natural lifter....
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how can you gain weight without carbs?
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welcome to the carb-sensitive club!
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I have grown quite well before on very low carbs. Guessing around 50 per day.
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bulking is basically (imho) eating alot of everything, resting and lifting heavy
the concept of "lean bulking" is a fallacy
you have to "add more cement" to the statue. Then, you will "chisel off excess cement" when your done
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keep glycogen full by drink glucose before/during/after your workouts and by keeping your blood saturated with fatty acids at all times and yes it will work well.. get lots of cholestrol from whole eggs and it works much better... dont limit trace carbs and veggies though...
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NO such things as "bulking" you are either gaining muscle or gaining fat or both.
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its called eating not rocket science
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welcome to the carb-sensitive club!
When did u realise u were carb sensitive?
What symptoms?
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When did u realise u were carb sensitive?
What symptoms?
He relized that when he ate 2 dozen chocolate cookies and day with a gallon of gatoraide he got fat. ;D
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What does carb sensitive mean? You eat a cookie and get fat?
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When did u realise u were carb sensitive?
What symptoms?
I gained a lot of fat really fast when I took in too much sugar.
Here I was around 215-220 pounds... bloated mess. :-X
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I just filled a big garbage bag with all the sugary junk i have in the house. I am gonna throw it away.
Then tommorow...a diet of nuts, meats and cheese.
One step at a time
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I gained a lot of fat really fast when I took in too much sugar.
Here I was around 215-220 pounds... bloated mess. :-X
Maybe it was just too much calories.
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What bodyfat is 240 in that pic?
I am pretty close to that
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Maybe it was just too much calories.
Maybe. But when I ate roughly the same amount of calories from protein and fat, I leaned up very quickly - even with a LOT of fats. It's possible.
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for some of us, that all or nothing type of bulking is the way to go because our metabolism are fast
the thing is we do this for a short period, like 8 weeks, then we go back to our normal eating
Once we get back to our normal BF%, their is a gain of, at least, 2lbs of lean body mass
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for some of us, that all or nothing type of bulking is the way to go because our metabolism are fast
the thing is we do this for a short period, like 8 weeks, then we go back to our normal eating
Once we get back to our normal BF%, their is a gain of, at least, 2lbs of lean body mass
I enjoyed bulking, very much :)
I tried to gain lean for 2 straight years, and got up to that bulking 20% BF, 220 pounds at 5' 10".
Then I tried eating clean and being super healthy... and I felt like all I really achieved was a *slightly* leaner version (albeit smaller back and legs as well), at 175-ish pounds. *pictured.
Right now I'm cruising somewhere in the middle, adding some bulk so I can regain some size again.
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There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING AS CARB SENSITIVE!
Total Myth.
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What does carb sensitive mean? You eat a cookie and get fat?
You have no idea what that means or you are just being facetious?
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There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING AS CARB SENSITIVE!
Total Myth.
You are absolutely wrong.
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You have no idea what that means or you are just being facetious?
take a wild guess ;D
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I enjoyed bulking, very much :)
I tried to gain lean for 2 straight years, and got up to that bulking 20% BF, 220 pounds at 5' 10".
Then I tried eating clean and being super healthy... and I felt like all I really achieved was a *slightly* leaner version (albeit smaller back and legs as well), at 175-ish pounds. *pictured.
Right now I'm cruising somewhere in the middle, adding some bulk so I can regain some size again.
We ALL go through those phases
then we eventually find our niche: Big guy or Lean guy (most big AND lean guys are either juiced or have INSANE genes)
I'm actually bulking now, but to be honest, I don't have appetite to eat that much anymore
I think i'm gonna cut it short and go back to normal
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You are absolutely wrong.
Find me one Scientific Study regarding "Carb Sensitivity".
Find me one peer reviewed article on the subject.
You can`t. It is a myth.
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Furthermore, if someone were to eat say .5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight and the rest of the calories carbs,( A threshold of 2000 lets say)
ANY individual would be well on there way to becoming extremely lean.
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define carb sensitive. Are you saying that some people have different insulin sensitivity, different amounts of glut 4 transporters on adipocytes,myocytes, some people have insulin resistance, impaired insulin to glucagon ratio and secretion of insulin from beta cells. If so then yes some people are more or less sensitive to the role of glucose in the diet.
i would argue based on the evidence that low carb diets are healthier from a metabolic perspective and may offer some additional fat loss benefits.
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Find me one Scientific Study regarding "Carb Sensitivity".
Find me one peer reviewed article on the subject.
You can`t. It is a myth.
Prove me wrong. You are the one making the claim. Any scientific studies about your claims? My claims are based on hundreds of people I have worked with thruout the years. Many times I have taken people who are eating mostly carbs and done nothing but change the majority of their calories to fats and protein without changing calorie content and they have lost fat. This is nothing new, I just find it hard to believe that you are that either closed minded or you like fuking with people on here. I tend to believe that latter.
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define carb sensitive. Are you saying that some people have different insulin sensitivity, different amounts of glut 4 transporters on adipocytes,myocytes, some people have insulin resistance, impaired insulin to glucagon ratio and secretion of insulin from beta cells. If so then yes some people are more or less sensitive to the role of glucose in the diet.
i would argue based on the evidence that low carb diets are healthier from a metabolic perspective and may offer some additional fat loss benefits.
Define low carbs. :)
Also, low carbs is totally relative depending on one`s activity level. 400 grams of carbs would be ultra low for Michael Phelps for instance.
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Prove me wrong. You are the one making the claim. Any scientific studies about your claims? My claims are based on hundreds of people I have worked with thruout the years. Many times I have taken people who are eating mostly carbs and done nothing but change the majority of their calories to fats and protein without changing calorie content and they have lost fat. This is nothing new, I just find it hard to believe that you are that either closed minded or you like fuking with people on here. I tend to believe that latter.
poor argument. You should have some evidence to back up your claims. After all arent you a guru?
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define carb sensitive. Are you saying that some people have different insulin sensitivity, different amounts of glut 4 transporters on adipocytes,myocytes, some people have insulin resistance, impaired insulin to glucagon ratio and secretion of insulin from beta cells. If so then yes some people are more or less sensitive to the role of glucose in the diet.
i would argue based on the evidence that low carb diets are healthier from a metabolic perspective and may offer some additional fat loss benefits.
I think I agree with you. ??? ;D
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Prove me wrong. You are the one making the claim. Any scientific studies about your claims? My claims are based on hundreds of people I have worked with thruout the years. Many times I have taken people who are eating mostly carbs and done nothing but change the majority of their calories to fats and protein without changing calorie content and they have lost fat. This is nothing new, I just find it hard to believe that you are that either closed minded or you like fuking with people on here. I tend to believe that latter.
Maybe those people automatically consumed less calories because they couldn't eat some foods they like anymore. How do you determine what people have eaten in the first place? My assumption is that if you put people on a diet consisting of what they tell you they eat, they would lose weight.
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poor argument. You should have some evidence to back up your claims. After all arent you a guru?
I don't believe I was arguing.
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Define low carbs. :)
Also, low carbs is totally relative depending on one`s activity level. 400 grams of carbs would be ultra low for Michael Phelps for instance.
i agree, i would say close to ketogenic which varies, but lower then 50 grams of carbs. There has been a decent amount of research in the area. Ill post the studies later.
i will also say that ketogenic diets are hard and impractical for the vast majority of people, i would only use them in metabolic syndrome x, or if massive fat loss is needed in a short amount of time. Most studies showed a faster weight loss initially but most diets tended to even out over time, calories are the main ingredient in fat loss no doubt.
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Maybe those people automatically consumed less calories because they couldn't eat some foods they like anymore. How do you determine what people have eaten in the first place? My assumption is that if you put people on a diet consisting of what they tell you they eat, they would lose weight.
There are no maybes involved in what I did with the people am using as examples. Did you not read the part where I said the calories remained then same?
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You are absolutely wrong.
you claim that adonis is wrong here, and then claim he has to back up his position and use anecdotal evidence that is very weak at best.
you were challenged to provide evidence for the above statement, that is why i thought you would argue your position since you made the statement.
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There are no maybes involved in what I did with the people am using as examples. Did you not read the part where I said the calories remained then same?
Yes and I asked you how you determined that.
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ill stay out of way :D
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well calories wouldnt be the ssame if protein increased because in realit every 4 calories of protein will only yeild 2 calories of energy, if its used for energy that is. (gluconeogensis converts protein into glucose at a rate of 2=1). and then on top of that subtract 25% of energy form protein to take into account thermic effects of digestion, so now you have 1.5 calories for every gram of protein.
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Prove me wrong. You are the one making the claim. Any scientific studies about your claims? My claims are based on hundreds of people I have worked with thruout the years. Many times I have taken people who are eating mostly carbs and done nothing but change the majority of their calories to fats and protein without changing calorie content and they have lost fat. This is nothing new, I just find it hard to believe that you are that either closed minded or you like fuking with people on here. I tend to believe that latter.
Again,
There is NO SUCH THING as being Carb Sensitive.
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Yes and I asked you how you determined that.
Determine what?
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Again,
There is NO SUCH THING as being Carb Sensitive.
insulin receptors are real and they do fluctuate in sensitivity and carbs (glucose) are directly related to insulin .... so.....
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Again,
There is NO SUCH THING as being Carb Sensitive.
So say you and have been for years without any proof what so ever. One would think by now after all your claims about diet that you would have even a handful of ultra ripped people to show for it. You claim that getting ripped is super easy, but why is there no one out there who can back up your claims? I have posted many pics of people who I have dieted to prove my point. All have been on zero carbs, some were natural and some were not, either way they got ripped.
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Determine what?
Maybe those people automatically consumed less calories because they couldn't eat some foods they like anymore. How do you determine what people have eaten in the first place? My assumption is that if you put people on a diet consisting of what they tell you they eat, they would lose weight.
I think my question was very specific. Just a question, I'm interested.
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I think my question was very specific. Just a question, I'm interested.
I get ya, I have had countless people come to me while being trained by other people while not getting the results they were after. They have given me their current diets which are usually very detailed calorie wise.
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So say you and have been for years without any proof what so ever. One would think by now after all your claims about diet that you would have even a handful of ultra ripped people to show for it. You claim that getting ripped is super easy, but why is there no one out there who can back up your claims? I have posted many pics of people who I have dieted to prove my point. All have been on zero carbs, some were natural and some were not, either way they got ripped.
So if you are eating less carbs what types of fats do you put in? I mean throughout the day because if i eat only clean i just starve my metabilism is too fast.
I have found eating some fats with carbs in the one meal makes me extremely sluggish (mainly macadamia nuts).
Also how do you get enough fibre in with such low carbs?
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I get ya, I have had countless people come to me while being trained by other people while not getting the results they were after. They have given me their current diets which are usually very detailed calorie wise.
I was just taking a guess. If I were to lay out my diet, I would probably leave out a thing or two out of shame (the little snacks in between, etc.).
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I was just taking a guess. If I were to lay out my diet, I would probably leave out a thing or two out of shame (the little snacks in between, etc.).
When you have top level BBers who are paying good money and not getting results they have more tendency to follow things to a T. For example, if I have someone come to me at 10 weeks out and they are lean to begin with and their fatloss have stopped no matter how low on calories then one has to wonder ( I would hope) what else there is to do. This is the problem with Adam's way of thinking. He will tell you that all you have to do is just keep decreasing calories to get ripped but when the progress stops he has nothing more to say because HE HAS NO FUKING CLUE WHAT TO DO NEXT. He would also be admitting he was wrong which he would never do in a million years because he is too closed minded.
I have actually increased one's calories in the form of fat and maybe some protein depending if needed and had them start losing fat again.
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So if you are eating less carbs what types of fats do you put in? I mean throughout the day because if i eat only clean i just starve my metabilism is too fast.
I have found eating some fats with carbs in the one meal makes me extremely sluggish (mainly macadamia nuts).
Also how do you get enough fibre in with such low carbs?
Red meat any kind such as steak, ground also, turkey chicken salmon eggs (whole) ect.
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When you have top level BBers who are paying guys good money and not getting results they have more tendency to follow things to a T. For example, if I have someone come to me at 10 weeks out and they are lean to begin with and their fatloss have stopped no matter how low on calories then one has to wonder ( I would hope) what else there is to do. This is the problem with Adam's way of thinking. He will tell you that all you have to do is just keep decreasing calories to get ripped but when the progress stops he has nothing more to say because HE HAS NO FUKING CLUE WHAT TO DO NEXT. He would also be admitting he was wrong which he would never do in a million years because he is to close minded.
I have actually increased one's calories in the form of fat and maybe some protein depending if needed and had them start losing fat again.
My progress was very consistent up to a few weeks ago, where I stopped the diet because of an injury. As soon as I'm OK again, I'll start a second run and maybe can show how far it can be taken. I'm open minded, so if my progress stops, I will admit to it.
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My progress was very consistent up to a few weeks ago, where I stopped the diet because of an injury. As soon as I'm OK again, I'll start a second run and maybe can show how far it can be taken. I'm open minded, so if my progress stops, I will admit to it.
No reason to stop dieting because of injury. You can still get ripped without working out.
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No reason to stop dieting because of injury. You can still get ripped without working out.
True, but I wanted to keep everthing constant so that the results are comparable to former diets.
Moreover, my motivation is in the gutter when I can't train hard, so I just try to maintain right now.
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True, but I wanted to keep everthing constant so that the results are comparable to former diets.
Moreover, my motivation is in the gutter when I can't train hard, so I just try to maintain right now.
What kind of injury?
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What kind of injury?
pulled my chest
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pulled my chest
If it is not too bad just try to work around it, do lower body whatever. You are too young to be losing motivation just because of an injury. Suck it up and train!!!!! ;D
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keep glycogen full by drink glucose before/during/after your workouts and by keeping your blood saturated with fatty acids at all times and yes it will work well.. get lots of cholestrol from whole eggs and it works much better... dont limit trace carbs and veggies though...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! it only keeps getting better crackhead...
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If it is not too bad just try to work around it, do lower body whatever. You are too young to be losing motivation just because of an injury. Suck it up and train!!!!! ;D
I know, I know. I'm working around it, but that fucker is consistent. I have invented quite a few exercises to work around injuries in the past, it's not the first time around. First time in the chest though.
And thanks for calling an old man too young. ;D
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Adonis Principles in Action.
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Adonis Principles in Action.
I often stuff my colon with oats prior to work outs. What are your thoughts on this?
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Adonis Principles in Action.
Is that you? pretty ripped... even biceps looks better, not as short as before. Good job.
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Adonis Principles in Action.
How many inches of shit do you think snakes out of his ass Abeles?
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I often stuff my colon with oats prior to work outs. What are your thoughts on this?
I ate some oats today!
I put nutmeg,pumpkin spice, 2 egg yolks, some heavy cream, sugar and a few other things.
Holiday Eggnog Oats. hahha
2000 calorie days are great.
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How many inches of shit do you think snakes out of his ass Abeles?
That depends on how many meat whistles were lodged in prior to applying the pro-tan and however long it takes to brush the kinks out of the strawhead.
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You are absolutely wrong.
i agree.
he has no clue.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247266.0;attach=286534;image)
is this you adonis?
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Adonis Principles in Action.
Timberwolf.
Donuts for post-workout. Granted he has some slight variation to what Adonis says, but not much.
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i agree.
he has no clue.
I can help undo your intense affair with obesity. I stumbled across your pictures and you are in need of guidance. Not only will your appearance improve greatly, your risk of diabetes, heart disease, cancer and other maladies will be reduced. Sooner rather than later my friend as you are way too young to be that obese. Continuing onward, delving deeper in the realm of fat-dom is only marked with despair and danger. Do not go any further.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! it only keeps getting better crackhead...
hey skinny/fat boy when you wanna come learn how to work out ?
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Do you lean more towards fats as the your main energy source (like Kane) or carbs or you don't really have a preferance?
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Do you lean more towards fats as the your main energy source (like Kane) or carbs or you don't really have a preferance?
No preference at all. I simply go by whatever tastes good at the moment and if I have room for the calories.
When I reach my lean weight goal, I then don`t bother with any of it and just eat a lot, in the 4-8,000 calorie range somedays.
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are you still drinking wine often TA? do you drink other forms of alcohol?
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are you still drinking wine often TA? do you drink other forms of alcohol?
Not as much as Jezebelle, the Wino. hahha
I drink every now and then. Wine or Oatmeal Stout/Imperial Stout or Ale.
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I can help undo your intense affair with obesity. I stumbled across your pictures and you are in need of guidance. Not only will your appearance improve greatly, your risk of diabetes, heart disease, cancer and other maladies will be reduced. Sooner rather than later my friend as you are way too young to be that obese. Continuing onward, delving deeper in the realm of fat-dom is only marked with despair and danger. Do not go any further.
lol.
ok sweetheart.
first, you have never seen a pic of me, and never will.
secondly, a guy who's woman looks physically more imposing than he does shouldn't be giving diet advice to anyone.
must be a real drag to know the average, fit woman outweighs you, huh broomstick?
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That depends on how many meat whistles were lodged in prior to applying the pro-tan and however long it takes to brush the kinks out of the strawhead.
We all know about the scarecrow straw hair kinks but what about the vein head gaggers with goo sliding down their faces?
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True Adonis, ripped and living the good life. A good role model for all.
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Why don't you answer my questions? We have all seen pics of you before so what. You are just a skinny guy who eats very little, why should we be so impressed by that. What about showing us pics of someone who has effortlessly gotten ripped on you so called Adonis Principles. Hell, Dov got just as lean as you just eating low cal.
Please! tell us what your principles are and why they are so unique. You won't and you know why? Because THERE ARE NO ADONIS PRINCIPLES, they are a myth.
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lol.
ok sweetheart.
first, you have never seen a pic of me, and never will.
secondly, a guy who's woman looks physically more imposing than he does shouldn't be giving diet advice to anyone.
must be a real drag to know the average, fit woman outweighs you, huh broomstick?
Pathetic!
same pathetic excuse every obese person throws at a ripped muscular person
Adonis has a higher LBM than you, just cuz you're fat doesn't mean it's muscle you IDIOT
if he hadn't seen a picture before....he has now :-X
you should STFU :-\
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So I wonder if Iggy follows the infamous AD principles too. ;D Ya gotta admit there is a resemblance. I'm willing to bet Iggy also drinks his fair share of alcohol too although I doubt it's wine. He prob only gets about 50 grams of protein a day too. The only thing you guys probably don't have in common is he probably hits the weights more than you do. Oh and just to point out, Iggy's not flexing and hasn't pumped up either. ;D
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i could be wrong but is that a picture of adonis, his structure and insertions look a little different. if it is, he is looking much improved.
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Pathetic!
same pathetic excuse every obese person throws at a ripped muscular person
Adonis has a higher LBM than you, just cuz you're fat doesn't mean it's muscle you IDIOT
if he hadn't seen a picture before....he has now :-X
you should STFU :-\
ahahahahahahaha
is that all you got, toothpick- posting a pic of a guy who isn't me in an attempt at humour?
the sad part is, every picture on line of you is of you, posted by you. how embarrassing is that?
keep up the good work.
and adonis, answer jim's question and show us all how truly ignorant you are.
thanks in advance.
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i could be wrong but is that a picture of adonis, his structure and insertions look a little different. if it is, he is looking much improved.
it isn't him, thats why he hasn't admitted to it being him after being asked several times, cause he knows he then has to produce the pic with a head shot as proof.
all smoke and mirrors.
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So I wonder if Iggy follows the infamous AD principles too. ;D Ya gotta admit there is a resemblance. I'm willing to bet Iggy also drinks his fair share of alcohol too although I doubt it's wine. He prob only gets about 50 grams of protein a day too. The only thing you guys probably don't have in common is he probably hits the weights more than you do. Oh and just to point out, Iggy's not flexing and hasn't pumped up either. ;D
How about this boy jim?
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How about this boy jim?
Poor guy is a victim of the Disgusted principles. :-[ ;D
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a good role model?
don't make me laugh
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It isn't him although he hasn't said that it was he hasn't denied it either. This guy is actually leaner than him. I am wondering if that shot he posted of himself a few weeks back was really him too. ::)
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he has definitely gotten learner and more vascular.
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he has definitely gotten learner and more vascular.
Who?
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It isn't him although he hasn't said that it was he hasn't denied it either. This guy is actually leaner than him. I am wondering if that shot he posted of himself a few weeks back was really him too. ::)
Nice catch... looking at the attachments, obviously not him.
Pathetic.
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Of course it's not him, he didn't say so either.
Adonis looks great for a lifetime natural.
Any other lifetime naturals here who can match his size and condition?
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This one is me.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2lktaiw.jpg)
The other is Timberwolf, an Adonis Principle follower. You asked for someone else who follows them, and there you go.
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Add me to the list. :)
Timberwolf looking great there.
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Of course it's not him, he didn't say so either.
Adonis looks great for a lifetime natural.
Any other lifetime naturals here who can match his size and condition?
um, the guy weighs 160 pounds.
most athletes who don't lift for recreation but for purpose, like sprinters for example have physiques that put gaydonis' to shame and hold significantly more muscle than this chesseburger eating bonerack.
lol @ 'size and condition'...that was a joke, right?
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um, the guy weighs 160 pounds.
most athletes who don't lift for recreation but for purpose, like sprinters for example have physiques that put gaydonis' to shame and hold significantly more muscle than this chesseburger eating bonerack.
lol @ 'size and condition'...that was a joke, right?
Show me a lifetime natural sprinter with the size and condition of Adonis.
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i will also say that ketogenic diets are hard and impractical for the vast majority of people, i would only use them in metabolic syndrome x, or if massive fat loss is needed in a short amount of time. Most studies showed a faster weight loss initially but most diets tended to even out over time, calories are the main ingredient in fat loss no doubt.
i finally agree with you on something necrosis ;D.
disgusted you are wrong, plain and simple.
In a metabolic ward setting there is no fat loss advantage in high fat/low carbs over low fat/high carbs. There is a very very slight repartitioning effect towards more muscle, but we are talking not even statistically significant levels.
basically calories are king between carbs and fats when dieting.
if people you worked with started losing weight on the same calories then they overestimated their original calorie intake or are eating less calories on the high fat diet due to the increased feeling of fullness.
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This one is me.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2lktaiw.jpg)
The other is Timberwolf, an Adonis Principle follower. You asked for someone else who follows them, and there you go.
adonis why don;t you post more of yourself then ?
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its called eating not rocket science
You don't appear to know much about bodybuilding. Are you 300lb ripped? No? Then you can probably learn more about nutrition, it's stupid and arrogant to think otherwise.
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There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING AS CARB SENSITIVE!
Total Myth.
Thyroid.
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You don't appear to know much about bodybuilding. Are you 300lb ripped? No? Then you can probably learn more about nutrition, it's stupid and arrogant to think otherwise.
So because you don't take massive amounts of steroids and aren't "300 lbs ripped" you don't know anything? Wave is pretty open most of the time.
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You don't appear to know much about bodybuilding. Are you 300lb ripped? No? Then you can probably learn more about nutrition, it's stupid and arrogant to think otherwise.
I was just joking, Boost knows that.
Any pics of your physique?
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Show me a lifetime natural sprinter with the size and condition of Adonis.
...crickets...
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We ALL go through those phases
then we eventually find our niche: Big guy or Lean guy (most big AND lean guys are either juiced or have INSANE genes)
I'm actually bulking now, but to be honest, I don't have appetite to eat that much anymore
I think i'm gonna cut it short and go back to normal
yeah, waking up this morning, i looked at these pics again and said F it... it's time to start EATING again!
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the point is you have to look good in a bad light...not in nearly dark ::)
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carbs are good for you why fear them? unless on a diet of course...
1.5g per lb of bw at least yip yip
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the best way in my opinion, to get lean, is by doing moderate carb, LOW fat, high protein. but the key here is eating only carbs that are HIGH in fiber and that are low glycemic. the main source of carbs that i eat are oatmeal, beans, and sometimes yams. i totally stay away from rice, wheat bread and potatoes. and noo, it is impossible to gain muscle weight when one is doing low carb! its just not gonna happen. rather your better of bringing in a healthy amount of high fiberous, low glycemic carbs (200-250 grams per day) along with about 200-250 grams of protein. as for fats, i will eat whole eggs, about 4-6 per day. also when i cook my chicken, (bbq or boiled) i leave the skin on and eat that as well. so the above diet with about 50 grams of fat per day would come out to around 2500 calories per day. when i get hungry, ill throwin a protein drink with an apple or an orange. and when i get the late night munchies, ill eat an orange or devour an apple. works great for me. i actually have a client who is on a diet that i made for him and he actually says it is too much food and is still losing body fat weekly. remember, carbs are GOOD, just make sure they are high in fiber, low glycemic, and that you combine them with a low fat protein source. all the fat will come off and youll still have nergy and glycogen to recover and grow. good luck.
-chris
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6 Reasons why you won't grow muscle - by Chris Aceto
by Chris Aceto
No doubt, you've heard the old saying "A wise man is one who learns from his mistakes." But, have you heard how to define a brilliant man? He's the one who learns from other people's mistakes. Avoiding flub-ups, is half the game in getting big. Sure you have to know what to do, but it is equally important to know what not to do what to avoid so that you can make steady, plateau-free gains in mass and size. This issue, I'll share with you what I see as some of the, well, dumb things, bodybuilders do that hold back their progress and gains.
1) Fear Of Carbohydrates
Get over it! There is no place in mass building nutrition for a low carb or even a modified low carb diet. Carbohydrates are essential for building mass and increasing protein synthesis the body's ability to take the protein you eat and convert it into muscle tissue. Without a sufficient intake in carbs, you risk falling into a catabolic state because carbohydrates are the driving force that help protein build new muscle mass. If you are training hard, you'll need at least 2 grams per pound of bodyweight on training days and 1.5 grams on off training or rest days.
2) Too Little Fat
The two major nutrients that build mass are protein and carbohydrates. Third in the group is dietary fat, yet a lot of bodybuilders or fitness fanatics go to the extreme and skew dietary fat fearing some fat may increase body fat levels. Thatıs not so. Fat helps alleviate the body's reliance upon carbohydrates and proteins which simply means those mass builders can do just that build or support gains in mass as long as you have an adequate intake of dietary fat. Whatıs adequate? Without getting technical, you should eat at least 30 grams of protein daily from lean red meat, have at least 1 egg yolk daily, a tablespoon of olive oil and eat salmon 3 times a week. Red meat and egg yolks provide saturated fats, building blocks for testosterone and insulin, olive oil has actually been shown to support fat metabolism and omega-3 fats, the special ones in salmon support the formation of muscle glycogen and fight muscle inflammation.
3) Failing to Eat Enough Before Training
Youıve likely heard of the "post training window," the 60-90 minute time frame after training that is critical in recovery. The idea is that eating immediately after you train kicks on the recovery and growth process. In my opinion, what you eat before training is even more critical. Thatıs because the total amount of carbohydrates and protein in the blood immediately before training plays a direct role in how much catabolic muscle wasting hormones will be secreted with training. The fewer catabolic hormones you release, the more you will grow over the long haul. Thatıs why I suggest 20-35 grams of protein powder with 60-80 grams of carbs just 45 minutes before training. It supports growth by suppressing the release of the hormones that interfere with building muscle.
4) Not Enough Meals
You can grow on 4 meals a day, and certainly on 5, but for the hard gainer or the individual who adds too much body fat while trying to "bulk" might need to try 7 meals a day. Yes it's a pain, meaning you have to eat something a small meal or shake every 90 minutes but it is often the single biggest factor that helps many overcome that hump and add good size. Why? Metabolism. Seven meals keeps the metabolism humming not only the fat burning metabolism so you add fat free mass, but also protein metabolism. The body is always in a protein flux, using and shuttling proteins around the body, and seven meals seems to increase protein synthesis build up - which leads to growth.
5) Maintaining The Same Diet
I have read many times where bodybuilders mix up their training routine, not performing the same monotonous routine week after week. The reasoning: the body adapts to the "same old, same old" and fails to grow. Thereıs some truth there with nutrition as well. In particular, after 2-3 weeks, the body adapts to the point where in order to gain mass or to re-stimulate any serious amount of growth, you have to shock the body with a high calorie intake. That means taking a day and eating significantly more carbs and protein than normal to get the body to grow. The high calorie intake increases anabolic hormones which allows you to grow even where previous gains may have stagnated.
6) Failing to Use the Right Tools To Re-Evaluate.
Gaining mass does not have to be too complicated. If the bathroom scale is going up, you are adding mass. Period. Sure you could be adding body fat too, but there is no arguing with the scale. If itıs upward, you are on track. Itıs mind boggling to me the number of people who think they can add mass without seeing an increase in bodyweight! The other tool to use is a tape measure. If the scale is going up and your waist measurement is staying the same, then you are likely adding a lot more muscle mass then body fat. If you see an increase of more than ½ an inch in the waist, then you might need to reconsider your nutrition plan and cut down on the portion sizes of your carbohydrates. Skin calipers? With the best athletes in the world, I have never relied on them. I use the basics the scale and a tape measure!
Chris Aceto won the Collegiate Mr. America while graduating with honors from Springfield College with a degree in Exercise Science. He has since made a career out of coaching the bodybuilding's top contenders, including Jay Cutler and heavyweight boxer Evander Holyfield. He is a regular contributor in Muscle & Fitness and FLEX magazines, and CEO of Nutramedia.com.
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So I wonder if Iggy follows the infamous AD principles too. ;D Ya gotta admit there is a resemblance. I'm willing to bet Iggy also drinks his fair share of alcohol too although I doubt it's wine. He prob only gets about 50 grams of protein a day too. The only thing you guys probably don't have in common is he probably hits the weights more than you do. Oh and just to point out, Iggy's not flexing and hasn't pumped up either. ;D
Yeah, Timberwolf is really skinny isn't he?
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Yeah, Timberwolf is really skinny isn't he?
Since Adam won't post them, is there anyone out there that can list the "principles"?
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Since Adam won't post them, is there anyone out there that can list the "principles"?
Here ya go:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232398.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232398.0)
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Here ya go:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232398.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=232398.0)
THanks Wave, I'll look at them in a bit and give my opinion.
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6 Reasons why you won't grow muscle - by Chris Aceto
by Chris Aceto
No doubt, you've heard the old saying "A wise man is one who learns from his mistakes." But, have you heard how to define a brilliant man? He's the one who learns from other people's mistakes. Avoiding flub-ups, is half the game in getting big. Sure you have to know what to do, but it is equally important to know what not to do what to avoid so that you can make steady, plateau-free gains in mass and size. This issue, I'll share with you what I see as some of the, well, dumb things, bodybuilders do that hold back their progress and gains.
1) Fear Of Carbohydrates
Get over it! There is no place in mass building nutrition for a low carb or even a modified low carb diet. Carbohydrates are essential for building mass and increasing protein synthesis the body's ability to take the protein you eat and convert it into muscle tissue. Without a sufficient intake in carbs, you risk falling into a catabolic state because carbohydrates are the driving force that help protein build new muscle mass. If you are training hard, you'll need at least 2 grams per pound of bodyweight on training days and 1.5 grams on off training or rest days.
2) Too Little Fat
The two major nutrients that build mass are protein and carbohydrates. Third in the group is dietary fat, yet a lot of bodybuilders or fitness fanatics go to the extreme and skew dietary fat fearing some fat may increase body fat levels. Thatıs not so. Fat helps alleviate the body's reliance upon carbohydrates and proteins which simply means those mass builders can do just that build or support gains in mass as long as you have an adequate intake of dietary fat. Whatıs adequate? Without getting technical, you should eat at least 30 grams of protein daily from lean red meat, have at least 1 egg yolk daily, a tablespoon of olive oil and eat salmon 3 times a week. Red meat and egg yolks provide saturated fats, building blocks for testosterone and insulin, olive oil has actually been shown to support fat metabolism and omega-3 fats, the special ones in salmon support the formation of muscle glycogen and fight muscle inflammation.
3) Failing to Eat Enough Before Training
Youıve likely heard of the "post training window," the 60-90 minute time frame after training that is critical in recovery. The idea is that eating immediately after you train kicks on the recovery and growth process. In my opinion, what you eat before training is even more critical. Thatıs because the total amount of carbohydrates and protein in the blood immediately before training plays a direct role in how much catabolic muscle wasting hormones will be secreted with training. The fewer catabolic hormones you release, the more you will grow over the long haul. Thatıs why I suggest 20-35 grams of protein powder with 60-80 grams of carbs just 45 minutes before training. It supports growth by suppressing the release of the hormones that interfere with building muscle.
4) Not Enough Meals
You can grow on 4 meals a day, and certainly on 5, but for the hard gainer or the individual who adds too much body fat while trying to "bulk" might need to try 7 meals a day. Yes it's a pain, meaning you have to eat something a small meal or shake every 90 minutes but it is often the single biggest factor that helps many overcome that hump and add good size. Why? Metabolism. Seven meals keeps the metabolism humming not only the fat burning metabolism so you add fat free mass, but also protein metabolism. The body is always in a protein flux, using and shuttling proteins around the body, and seven meals seems to increase protein synthesis build up - which leads to growth.
5) Maintaining The Same Diet
I have read many times where bodybuilders mix up their training routine, not performing the same monotonous routine week after week. The reasoning: the body adapts to the "same old, same old" and fails to grow. Thereıs some truth there with nutrition as well. In particular, after 2-3 weeks, the body adapts to the point where in order to gain mass or to re-stimulate any serious amount of growth, you have to shock the body with a high calorie intake. That means taking a day and eating significantly more carbs and protein than normal to get the body to grow. The high calorie intake increases anabolic hormones which allows you to grow even where previous gains may have stagnated.
6) Failing to Use the Right Tools To Re-Evaluate.
Gaining mass does not have to be too complicated. If the bathroom scale is going up, you are adding mass. Period. Sure you could be adding body fat too, but there is no arguing with the scale. If itıs upward, you are on track. Itıs mind boggling to me the number of people who think they can add mass without seeing an increase in bodyweight! The other tool to use is a tape measure. If the scale is going up and your waist measurement is staying the same, then you are likely adding a lot more muscle mass then body fat. If you see an increase of more than ½ an inch in the waist, then you might need to reconsider your nutrition plan and cut down on the portion sizes of your carbohydrates. Skin calipers? With the best athletes in the world, I have never relied on them. I use the basics the scale and a tape measure!
Chris Aceto won the Collegiate Mr. America while graduating with honors from Springfield College with a degree in Exercise Science. He has since made a career out of coaching the bodybuilding's top contenders, including Jay Cutler and heavyweight boxer Evander Holyfield. He is a regular contributor in Muscle & Fitness and FLEX magazines, and CEO of Nutramedia.com.
Great list, very useful info, thanks!!
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Wave am I correct in that you are the one who put these together? If so I am not so sure that I want to critique them unless Adam agres taht they are in fact his.
The current version of the Adonis Diet Principles for dieting down while preserving as much muscle mass as possible goes like this (TA, please feel free to correct me at any time):
The Principles, rules that must be followed:
P1) minimum daily protein intake of 1 g/lb lean body weight,
P2) variety of food good enough for proper nutrient intake (e.g. follow USRDA),
P3) deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
P4) hard anaerobic resistance training at least 3 times a week,
P5) 5-8 hours of sleep per day, depending on individual requirements.
The Myths, factors of minimal, no, or even negative influence:
M1) ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by P1 and P2,
M2) abandonment of alcohol,
M3) intake of "supplements",
M4) proper spacing of meals during the day,
M5) cardio training.
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I was just joking, Boost knows that.
Any pics of your physique?
Haha not that I'm gonna post on here, everyone gets torn apart on here no matter how good they look. I can tell you I'm 300lb ripped though, year-round :)I simply meant btw that even the most experienced BBs don't mind admitting that there is always new stuff they can learn about their body and how it reacts to different food. Anyway, whatever I'm probably melting down, I just can't let BS go sometimes.
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Adonis Principles in Action.
thats kane, aka timberwolf, And I help him with his diet for photo shoots adam. You're a fucking liar and just got caught. kane wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire. I talk with him everday. And I just spoke to him, he claims he doesnt even know who the hell you are but hes honored you think hes worthy of your nobodyness..I can have him sign up here if you like to make you look like a fucking retard or you can just stop lying while you're ahead.
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Wave am I correct in that you are the one who put these together? If so I am not so sure that I want to critique them unless Adam agres taht they are in fact his.
The current version of the Adonis Diet Principles for dieting down while preserving as much muscle mass as possible goes like this (TA, please feel free to correct me at any time):
The Principles, rules that must be followed:
P1) minimum daily protein intake of 1 g/lb lean body weight,
P2) variety of food good enough for proper nutrient intake (e.g. follow USRDA),
P3) deficiency of calories which leads to 1-3 lbs of weight loss per week,
P4) hard anaerobic resistance training at least 3 times a week,
P5) 5-8 hours of sleep per day, depending on individual requirements.
The Myths, factors of minimal, no, or even negative influence:
M1) ratio of macro nutrients other than defined by P1 and P2,
M2) abandonment of alcohol,
M3) intake of "supplements",
M4) proper spacing of meals during the day,
M5) cardio training.
It was more like I started a few threads about my diet and TA chimed in saying that I was basically following his principles. So I started the mentioned thread to have them written out in a clear fashion. They were refined somewhat in the process of the thread, and TA also chimed in a few times. I'm pretty sure he approves of the final version as it is right now.
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Haha not that I'm gonna post on here, everyone gets torn apart on here no matter how good they look. I can tell you I'm 300lb ripped though, year-round :)I simply meant btw that even the most experienced BBs don't mind admitting that there is always new stuff they can learn about their body and how it reacts to different food. Anyway, whatever I'm probably melting down, I just can't let BS go sometimes.
No problem, I'm always willing to learn.
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thats kane, aka timberwolf, And I help him with his diet for photo shoots adam. You're a fucking liar and just got caught. kane wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire. I talk with him everday.
Hahahahha ok "toolarge4u"... Is that name made in reference to the circumference of your butthole?
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you need carbs
i kept my best look on protien bar diets and beans
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you need carbs
i kept my best look on protien bar diets and beans
You mean this one? Fuck... when are you going to die? Nobody takes you seriously on this forum. We keep you here like a pet monkey and pull the strings and watch you slowly shrivel away hahahahahha. What does beans and protein bars have anything to do with carbs anyway dipshit? Those aren't even good carb sources.
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Hahahahha ok "toolarge4u"... Is that name made in reference to the circumference of your butthole?
no its for your dead mothers... and your gay father. Nice gimmick fuck whistle.
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no its for your dead mothers... and your gay father. Nice gimmick fuck whistle.
I'd imagine that the body has wasted away to skeletal remains.... In that sense, looking at the skinny little bitch in your avatar id say you are just a little above par with their size. Congratulations on humiliating yourself in a thong in front of an audience.
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(http://www.dundee.ac.uk/museum/zoology/bagful/1993B.JPG)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247266.0;attach=286694;image)
HBhahahahahahah hey look waddy. He even has fucked up meth teeth like you do!
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Show me a lifetime natural sprinter with the size and condition of Adonis.
i can show you highschool running backs and db's who put your hero to shame.
your welcome.
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I'd imagine that the body has wasted away to skeletal remains.... In that sense, looking at the skinny little bitch in your avatar id say you are just a little above par with their size. Congratulations on humiliating yourself in a thong in front of an audience.
fucking weak Adonis... ::) Hiding behind a gimmick. Fag coward as usual. Little bitch nazi confused about why he likes cock so much.
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i can show you highschool running backs and db's who put your hero to shame.
your welcome.
please proceed, pics (lifetime natties only)?
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please proceed, pics (lifetime natties only)?
sorry cupcake, i'm not about to spend my day hunting down pics of highscool kids for you.
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thats kane, aka timberwolf, And I help him with his diet for photo shoots adam. You're a fucking liar and just got caught. kane wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire. I talk with him everday. And I just spoke to him, he claims he doesnt even know who the hell you are but hes honored you think hes worthy of your nobodyness..I can have him sign up here if you like to make you look like a fucking retard or you can just stop lying while you're ahead.
::)
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you need carbs
i kept my best look on protien bar diets and beans
more hero win johnny ::)
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It was more like I started a few threads about my diet and TA chimed in saying that I was basically following his principles. So I started the mentioned thread to have them written out in a clear fashion. They were refined somewhat in the process of the thread, and TA also chimed in a few times. I'm pretty sure he approves of the final version as it is right now.
I am The True Adonis, and I approve this message.
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sorry cupcake, i'm not about to spend my day hunting down pics of highscool kids for you.
:D :D :D
To be fair, it wasn't me who claimed he had pics of kids looking better than TA.
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I am The True Adonis, and I approve this message.
Thanks TA, what's the deal with timberwolf?
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I am The True Adonis, and I approve this message.
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
GMC/Hummer had a Meltdown.
They won`t recover.
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:D :D :D
To be fair, it wasn't me who claimed he had pics of kids looking better than TA.
nor did i.
try watching college ball some time.
they put your little hero to shame.
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nor did i.
try watching college ball some time.
they put your little hero to shame.
I don't have a TV and I don't live in the US. There is no college football where I live.
There is soccer, but I have never seen a soccer player who comes close to the size and condition of TA.
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thats kane, aka timberwolf, And I help him with his diet for photo shoots adam. You're a fucking liar and just got caught. kane wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire. I talk with him everday. And I just spoke to him, he claims he doesnt even know who the hell you are but hes honored you think hes worthy of your nobodyness..I can have him sign up here if you like to make you look like a fucking retard or you can just stop lying while you're ahead.
Someone forgot to read the thread before posting.
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nor did i.
try watching college ball some time.
they put your little hero to shame.
Football?
The American sport where they are all Obese, skinnyfat or just plain skinny?
Mostly Obese though.
(http://www.lsutaf.org/images/tigerland_news/article_photos/large/91898484647862d1f4c7c9.jpg)
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Those look like nice dogs........why did you a bullseye on them?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/obama_dogs_3_b_184.jpg)
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Football?
The American sport where they are all Obese, skinnyfat or just plain skinny?
Mostly Obese though.
(http://www.lsutaf.org/images/tigerland_news/article_photos/large/91898484647862d1f4c7c9.jpg)
Since when does an athlete look like they have to look like a bodybuilder? You obviously don't understand the training of an athlete.
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Football?
The American sport where they are all Obese, skinnyfat or just plain skinny?
Mostly Obese though.
(http://www.lsutaf.org/images/tigerland_news/article_photos/large/91898484647862d1f4c7c9.jpg)
runningbacks, db's and receivers in the NFL are not obese, skinny or sknnyfat.
you are outweighed by the average db by close to 20 pounds, the average receiver by 30 and by the average back by 50.
and most are leaner than you.
don't stop posting stickboy- i'm enjoying your ability to make yourself look stupid.
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My lack of willpower is sickening
I woke up all psyched about the low carb bulking approach.
Had some peanuts and some cheese....all good
Mid-afternoon the flood gates opened and i said "forget it"
half a gallon of whole milk, 12 "margherita pizza" and Large garlic bread for my PWO meal
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Since when does an athlete look like they have to look like a bodybuilder? You obviously don't understand the training of an athlete.
I agree, they don't look like bodybuilders and they don't have to.
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My lack of willpower is sickening
I woke up all psyched about the low carb bulking approach.
Had some peanuts and some cheese....all good
Mid-afternoon the flood gates opened and i said "forget it"
half a gallon of whole milk, 12 "margherita pizza" and Large garlic bread for my PWO meal
It's because you're not a masochist, Boost. You should be proud! :D
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I don't have a TV and I don't live in the US. There is no college football where I live.
There is soccer, but I have never seen a soccer player who comes close to the size and condition of TA.
that's because soccer players don't have near the musculature a football player does.
(http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/images/terrell_owens_france.jpg)
adonis thinks he's the cream of the crop when it comes to being natural and lean. he needs a wake up call.
he looks like someone who doesn't even go to the gym, a cyclists build at best.
anyone can have his 'build' and never step foot in a gym. that's a fact.
so much for that, huh?
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My lack of willpower is sickening
I woke up all psyched about the low carb bulking approach.
Had some peanuts and some cheese....all good
Mid-afternoon the flood gates opened and i said "forget it"
half a gallon of whole milk, 12 "margherita pizza" and Large garlic bread for my PWO meal
welcome to a normal day of AXA's life
my lack of willpower is 10 times worse than yours, believe me
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that's because soccer players don't have near the musculature a football player does.
adonis thinks he's the cream of the crop when it comes to being natural and lean. he needs a wake up call.
he looks like someone who doesn't even go to the gym, a cyclists build at best.
anyone can have his 'build' and never step foot in a gym. that's a fact.
so much for that, huh?
I agree with the soccer players, but at least most of them are natural and thus comparable.
So this football player has never stepped into a gym?
And you know for sure that he's natural?
If you think TAs physique is that of a cyclist, why compare him to a football player?
I'm not saying there are no better naturals out there, there certainly are.
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I agree with the soccer players, but at least most of them are natural and thus comparable.
So this football player has never stepped into a gym?
And you know for sure that he's natural?
If you think TAs physique is that of a cyclist, why compare him to a football player?
I'm not saying there are no better naturals out there, there certainly are.
that's Terrell Owens
people are so ignorant, they think that a sport get's people looking like that
football, sprinting, blah blah ::)
they don't realize that football player and sprinters go through a very complicated weight training program
and diet to actually keep their bodyfat% down
and most of them use Anabolic Steroids
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that's Terrell Owens
people are so ignorant, they think that a sport get's people looking like that
football, sprinting, blah blah ::)
they don't realize that football player and sprinters go through a very complicated weight training program
and diet
and most of them use Anabolic Steroids
of course.
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of course.
and one of the oldest most ignorant things is
compare the physique of a marathon runner to a sprinter
............ ::)
sprinters weight train their ass off to get that powerful physique while dieting to keep their bodyfat very low
so their power to weight ratio is up
marathon runners don't weight train, don't have a good diet, they are very active all the time
and catabolic
........sprinting doesn't magically give people muscles and lower their bodyfat to 4%
it's like when people say
playing basketball makes you tall
playing basketball doesn't make you tall, tall people play basketball ;)
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that's Terrell Owens
people are so ignorant, they think that a sport get's people looking like that
football, sprinting, blah blah ::)
they don't realize that football player and sprinters go through a very complicated weight training program
and diet to actually keep their bodyfat% down
and most of them use Anabolic Steroids
ahahahahahahaha
god, you're a fucking retard.
where did i say football players didn't lift weights.
fuck you're dumb.
kill yourself now.
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ahahahahahahaha
god, you're a fucking retard.
where did i say football players didn't lift weights.
fuck you're dumb.
kill yourself now.
I agree with the soccer players, but at least most of them are natural and thus comparable.
So this football player has never stepped into a gym?
And you know for sure that he's natural?
If you think TAs physique is that of a cyclist, why compare him to a football player?
I'm not saying there are no better naturals out there, there certainly are.
I was answering his question you pile of twinkies
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Hate to break it to you, but my Side Chest Destroys Terrel Owens, Even when I am obese like Mr. Owens appears to be in that picture.
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that's because soccer players don't have near the musculature a football player does.
(http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/images/terrell_owens_france.jpg)
adonis thinks he's the cream of the crop when it comes to being natural and lean. he needs a wake up call.
he looks like someone who doesn't even go to the gym, a cyclists build at best.
anyone can have his 'build' and never step foot in a gym. that's a fact.
so much for that, huh?
HAHHAHHAHHAHha
I PWN This Terrel Owens clown.
Are you blind?
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I really don't understand your argument no one. You come up with a pic of a football player who obviously follows a strict weight lifting and diet program and is juiced with 99% certainty. Then you say TA looks like a cyclist. What exactly is your argument?
And BTW, looking great there TA! :)
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I agree with the soccer players, but at least most of them are natural and thus comparable.
So this football player has never stepped into a gym?
And you know for sure that he's natural?
If you think TAs physique is that of a cyclist, why compare him to a football player?
I'm not saying there are no better naturals out there, there certainly are.
that football player trains like a mad man, and every football player spends time in the weight room. some take it more seriously than others.
i am trying to tell you adonis' build isn't spectacular, admirable or even commendable.
the fact is there are many people out there who physiques put adonis to shame who training is sport specific and not bodybuilding based.
take a drive thru compton or detroit sometime. there are tons of hoodrats who don't train, and don't diet who are leaner and have better musculature than that broomstick. he's cocky, know it all attitude only serves to make him a bigger joke when he looks the way he does.
and to your final point, nobody knows for sure who's natural. you don't know adonis is either. look at the dbol bloat he had in his pics when he was heavier.
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I really don't understand your argument no one. You come up with a pic of a football player who obviously follows a strict weight lifting and diet program and is juiced with 99% certainty. Then you say TA looks like a cyclist. What exactly is your argument?
And BTW, looking great there TA! :)
I think I easily take Owens.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247266.0;attach=286719;image)
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HAHHAHHAHHAHha
I PWN This Terrel Owens clown.
Are you blind?
ahahahahha.
are you?
he doesn't even 'bodybuild' he trains for a sport and his physique destroys yours.
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that football player trains like a mad man, and every football player spends time in the weight room. some take it more seriously than others.
i am trying to tell you adonis' build isn't spectacular, admirable or even commendable.
the fact is there are many people out there who physiques put adonis to shame who training is sport specific and not bodybuilding based.
take a drive thru compton or detroit sometime. there are tons of hoodrats who don't train, and don't diet who are leaner and have better musculature than that broomstick. he's cocky, know it all attitude only serves to make him a bigger joke when he looks the way he does.
and to your final point, nobody knows for sure who's natural. you don't know adonis is either. look at the dbol bloat he had in his pics when he was heavier.
2 requests.
1. Please post a picture of someone who does not train, yet who looks better than me. You claim there are "Tons out there".
2. Do you freely admit that my physique pwns yours any day of the week and if not can you offer any photo evidence to the contrary?
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I think I easily take Owens.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247266.0;attach=286719;image)
Why isn't there a shaking my head and laughing emoticon?
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Yah, Great Physique on Terrel Owens. ::)
He spends more time in the gym than a lot of Pro Natural Bodybuilders yet could not even come close to being one.
Here is Terrel in an unphotoshopped picture. The pic you posted is a typical magazine photoshop.
(http://www.washrun.org/clubnews/news/terrell_owens.jpg)
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Look how HUGE Terrel Owens is. ::)
ROFLMAO!
I wouldn`t even waste my time with a situp.
(http://images.smarter.com/blogs/tositups.jpg)
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I think I easily take Owens.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=247266.0;attach=286719;image)
(http://www.danperezstudios.com/images/workshop/gollum%20maquette.jpg)
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I think TA compares very well with him, always hard to tell from pics. TA certainly looks leaner.
It doesn't matter for what purpose Terrel is in the gym. He surely has a weigh lifting plan comparable to any bodybuilder.
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WOW!
Look at the MONSTER BICEPS on Terrel Owens! 20 inches would you say? :o
(http://images.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/_photos/2006-09-07-owens.jpg)
hahhaha Dov, our new Mr. Getbig clearly has bigger arms than Mr. Owens.
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Look how HUGE Terrel Owens is. ::)
ROFLMAO!
I wouldn`t even waste my time with a situp.
(http://images.smarter.com/blogs/tositups.jpg)
ahahahahaha
leaner than you, doesn't train like a bodybuilder but for football, and weighs 60 pounds more than you do at a lower bf level.
you're a joke.
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:o
Look at those Monster Bis and Tris on Terrel Owens!
That is amazing how huge they are. No No not 20 inches....24 Inches easily!
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/1485609601_7fff482bac.jpg?v=0)
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ahahahahaha
leaner than you, doesn't train like a bodybuilder but for football, and weighs 60 pounds more than you do at a lower bf level.
you're a joke.
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I guess the 60 lbs is from wearing the football pads and gear. :-\
Looks like the curl bar hasn`t been working too well.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/1485609601_7fff482bac.jpg?v=0)
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Look at those Monster LATS! I think he could very well be the next Layne Norton! :o
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/mpix123/2758483817/)
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I guess the 60 lbs is from wearing the football pads and gear. :-\
Looks like the curl bar hasn`t been working too well.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/1485609601_7fff482bac.jpg?v=0)
haha, not to mention those monster quads and calves...
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ROFL at Adonis vs Owens ;D
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Is anyone willing to EMAIL Mr. Owens a good arm routine? :-\
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2408/2125029159_59e65fb185.jpg?v=0)
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Is anyone willing to EMAIL Mr. Owens a good arm routine? :-\
brutal 13 inch arms on that gook :-\
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Terrel Looks Awesome in the OffSeason. Monster Shoulders, Monster Calves. The whole package. I almost thought it was Flex Wheeler for a second, but then realized that Owens dwarfs Wheeler.
Falconesque!
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LOL where did that "one" fellow run to?
I think he realized he got owned badly and ran away ;D
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Man look at those Delts on Terrel Owens! :o
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Forget the Delts. LOOK AT THE MASSIVE BICEPS ON TERREL OWENS! Natural Bodybuilders Beware!
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Don't let TA get to guys, he's just f**king with you! No one can be that naive.....but then again he did support Obama :)
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Don't let TA get to guys, he's just f**king with you! No one can be that naive.....but then again he did support Obama :)
What exactly do you mean by that?
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Which part are you referring to?
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Hate to break it to you, but my Side Chest Destroys Terrel Owens, Even when I am obese like Mr. Owens appears to be in that picture.
even though your a douche on here, hats of to you in those pics, look great
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Which part are you referring to?
The ones where you say that he's f'in with us and that we are naive. Or was the whole post just a joke?
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thats kane, aka timberwolf, And I help him with his diet for photo shoots adam. You're a fucking liar and just got caught. kane wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire. I talk with him everday. And I just spoke to him, he claims he doesnt even know who the hell you are but hes honored you think hes worthy of your nobodyness..I can have him sign up here if you like to make you look like a fucking retard or you can just stop lying while you're ahead.
so he basically made shit up ::)
adonis how can we even be sure it is you in the pic you claim is you, when you have been found out here ?
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Don't let TA get to guys, he's just f**king with you! No one can be that naive.....but then again he did support Obama :)
Haha, epic naivity, Obama won. The right are having to totally reshape themselves just to stand a chance in the future, that means you. :)