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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: DIVISION on November 29, 2008, 11:56:47 PM
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1.) The Roid Monkey - Typically lives from vial to vial, amp to amp. Behaviour mimics that of a drug addict, only that he lives for the anabolic high, elevated testosterone levels and subsequent lowered estrogen levels. These types are spotted easily at a gym because the body-type and accompanying sides are prevalent when dealing with people in this industry. If you have any questions as to what type of person I'm referring, google these pros (Dave Palumbo, Greg Kovacs). For those of you who remember the "Palumboism" thread made by Marble back in the day, this was a perfect piece which described the phenomenon in question. These guys megadose AAS to the point where diminishing returns leave their body looking like a wasteland, flat muscle bellies, mounds of scar tissue protruding from weird places, distended abdominal wall etc. These guys are walking, talking biological experiments.
2.) The Responsible User - Typically late twenties to mid-thirties, college educated, experienced in terms of cycles and background information on AAS. Will own several AAS reference guides and publications, having read them all and usually has a wealth of studies to back up their opinions. They don't rely on google searches, nor "gym rat" second hand knowledge passed down through the ages. This is the thinking man's anabolic user. Intelligent, responsible, cautious and well reasoned. Probably has no professional bodybuilding aspirations, has a family and most likely makes enough money to the point where HG is all he will consider. This guy is the one who is hurt the most from ORD because the ripple effect makes it harder for him to import AAS, where he obtains the majority of his fresh stash.
3.) The Casual User - This guy mainly cares about how the muscle looks, rather than how it functions nor about his longterm health. He will use HG or UG, whatever he can get his hands on because it's all about getting in that last cycle before his annual vacation to Boca Raton. When May hits he appears on the Steroid Forum to make his annual "summer cutter abs" thread in which he asks for cycles that will rip him up for the beach. Nevermind the fact that it's all been said before, he's looking for bigger and better ideas to shed fat and showcase those abs. He's really not even a lifter or bodybuilder for that matter, but it's all about the abs, nugga! Women love those summer cutter abs. :P
4.) The HRT King - He's up there in age, usually pushing mid-forties or above and came up on the AAS game very late in life. He's active in the gym and keeps a healthy lifestyle, though not a true lifter in the traditional sense he'd like an extra boost. He's been prescribed HRT doses by his PCP but finds it lacking in terms of punch and laughs at the idea of "androgel" being the cure-all. He's got the money to pay the ridiculous prices for "life extension clinics" and thinks nothing of dropping a few G's on overpriced GH. Clearly this guy has the financial flexibility to call the shots, just too bad he waited so long to start using AAS. He could have been a contender.....
Obviously, there are more sub-categories and I'd welcome hearing any of your recommendations because alot of you train in some funky gyms and come in contact with strange characters who are obviously juiced to the gills and probably running more Trenbolone Acetate than some cattle out there.
Please add to the list if you care to. :-X
DIV
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I would definitely split the "Roid Monkey" category into two parts.
1. The drug addict as you put it
2. The one who lives amp to amp out of necessity but as responsibly as he can.
One thing is for sure, since starting up probodybuilding.com I've learned more about the performance enhancing drug world then I ever have. Specifically who's using what, how much, who's full of shit, etc.
I've begun to find it quite amusing when I skim through the G&O board with some of the comments various people make about certain pro's. Examples of what I'm talking about (sorry, not going to name any names, so if anyone ask you're wasting your time)
*The Insulin claims: some of the biggest names form some of the biggest guys, they do not use it, many of the smaller guys who everyone on getbig thinks are insulin free, guess what? Bullshit
*HGH: Same as above, most use it, but in most cases not to the level many believe. There are those that do, but they are not the majority.
*Test is king, big fat ass doses of it. I'd say better then half of the vets don't really mess with orals in the off-season, and only to touch up during contest prep.
*Test esters: enanthate, cypionate, propionate; those are what the majority use...most don't seem to find a need for blends
*All IFBB pro's are irresponsible dope heads: Bullshit! many of these guys although they run large quantities, especially the test, use fairly responsibly. Time on equals time off? No way, but they are not sitting in bathroom stalls injecting an amp of test every hour like some seem to think.
*Most of these guys understand that using large quantities of AAS for years may indeed have some harmful and adverse effects...they are not unaware of this. Many of these guys are very, very particular as to where their stuff comes from, they plan, they have a set path they follow, etc.
Long story short, the claims of this guy should be more like this guy and not abuse drugs is a bullshit claim...genetics is still the name of the game and most don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.
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I would definitely split the "Roid Monkey" category into two parts.
1. The drug addict as you put it
2. The one who lives amp to amp out of necessity but as responsibly as he can.
One thing is for sure, since starting up probodybuilding.com I've learned more about the performance enhancing drug world then I ever have. Specifically who's using what, how much, who's full of shit, etc.
I've begun to find it quite amusing when I skim through the G&O board with some of the comments various people make about certain pro's. Examples of what I'm talking about (sorry, not going to name any names, so if anyone ask you're wasting your time)
*The Insulin claims: some of the biggest names form some of the biggest guys, they do not use it, many of the smaller guys who everyone on getbig thinks are insulin free, guess what? Bullshit
*HGH: Same as above, most use it, but in most cases not to the level many believe. There are those that do, but they are not the majority.
*Test is king, big fat ass doses of it. I'd say better then half of the vets don't really mess with orals in the off-season, and only to touch up during contest prep.
*Test esters: enanthate, cypionate, propionate; those are what the majority use...most don't seem to find a need for blends
*All IFBB pro's are irresponsible dope heads: Bullshit! many of these guys although they run large quantities, especially the test, use fairly responsibly. Time on equals time off? No way, but they are not sitting in bathroom stalls injecting an amp of test every hour like some seem to think.
*Most of these guys understand that using large quantities of AAS for years may indeed have some harmful and adverse effects...they are not unaware of this. Many of these guys are very, very particular as to where their stuff comes from, they plan, they have a set path they follow, etc.
Long story short, the claims of this guy should be more like this guy and not abuse drugs is a bullshit claim...genetics is still the name of the game and most don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.
When I say "living amp to amp, vial to vial", I'm talking about lifters who shotgun anabolics in a syringe like it's a cocktail drink with no rhyme or reason.
Loading up 3mL injections of multiple drugs with no end in sight simply for a euphoric anabolic high.
In some ways it reminds me of a crack addict looking towards that next fix, only that it's a meathead who's more worried about a myriad of things.
Food, lifting, whey isolate.......
The Roid Monkeys are the meatheads of the bunch, not thinking or rationalizing their behaviour or the longterm consequences of such.
DIV
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The roid monkey himself visit this board quite often, first it was under the name candidizzle and now it is tbombz :)
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You got way too much time on you hands Div. ;D
However, that being said, I'll copp to being a varient of #4.
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I would definitely split the "Roid Monkey" category into two parts.
1. The drug addict as you put it
2. The one who lives amp to amp out of necessity but as responsibly as he can.
One thing is for sure, since starting up probodybuilding.com I've learned more about the performance enhancing drug world then I ever have. Specifically who's using what, how much, who's full of shit, etc.
I've begun to find it quite amusing when I skim through the G&O board with some of the comments various people make about certain pro's. Examples of what I'm talking about (sorry, not going to name any names, so if anyone ask you're wasting your time)
*The Insulin claims: some of the biggest names form some of the biggest guys, they do not use it, many of the smaller guys who everyone on getbig thinks are insulin free, guess what? Bullshit
*HGH: Same as above, most use it, but in most cases not to the level many believe. There are those that do, but they are not the majority.
*Test is king, big fat ass doses of it. I'd say better then half of the vets don't really mess with orals in the off-season, and only to touch up during contest prep.
*Test esters: enanthate, cypionate, propionate; those are what the majority use...most don't seem to find a need for blends
*All IFBB pro's are irresponsible dope heads: Bullshit! many of these guys although they run large quantities, especially the test, use fairly responsibly. Time on equals time off? No way, but they are not sitting in bathroom stalls injecting an amp of test every hour like some seem to think.
*Most of these guys understand that using large quantities of AAS for years may indeed have some harmful and adverse effects...they are not unaware of this. Many of these guys are very, very particular as to where their stuff comes from, they plan, they have a set path they follow, etc.
Long story short, the claims of this guy should be more like this guy and not abuse drugs is a bullshit claim...genetics is still the name of the game and most don't have a clue as to what they are talking about.
Come on bro.......bottomline is the ONLY person that knows what a pro is taking is a pro. Look at the progression of bodybuilding over the years. Do you honestly believe training and nutrition are so advanced as to be responsible for producing the Kevin Levrone's and Ronnie Coleman's of the world? Do you honestly think that if the amount of drugs and drug use that exists today in the Pros was around in Arnold's day you wouldn't see the size that you do today? The entire sport of bodybuilding is built on this dichotomy that pros don't take nearly what you think they do and they take a helluva lot more than you could imagine. They love it that way! It keeps everybody guessing. But like you said, if you don't have the genetics all the drugs in the world won't make a damn bit of difference. But if you have the genetics to be a pro and step on stage with the likes of a Ronnie Coleman drugs will make or break those aspirations. Most of the online bodybuilding community is full of idiots, wannabes, and people that know fuck all about real training and nutrition except for what they read in bodybuilding magazines. When it comes to drugs and drug use the online bodybuilding community is even more uninformed. Pros are using the shit out of GH and have been for years. The bodybuilders of the 80's and early 90's are probably the peak of what a bodybuilder with pro genetics can achieve using anabolics. The 21st century bodybuilder is a result of a massive increase in drug use....specifically GH and slin. There is a point of diminishing returns with anabolic steroids. After a certain point taking testosterone beyond a certain point will not yield any more dramatic increases in muscle mass.......hence this point was reached 10-15 years ago.
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One thing you can asbolutely tell a difference in among pros is the quality of muscle on stage today......i.e. that hard, dense, rock/granite look has disappeared. Guys are bigger than ever nowadays but that dry ass shredded look ala Munzer is gone. No one is using lasix like they did even 10 years ago. It's evident in the physiques.
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One thing you can asbolutely tell a difference in among pros is the quality of muscle on stage today......i.e. that hard, dense, rock/granite look has disappeared. Guys are bigger than ever nowadays but that dry ass shredded look ala Munzer is gone. No one is using lasix like they did even 10 years ago. It's evident in the physiques.
I think Insulin has a lot to do with that loss in detail in the physiques. You can especially tell the difference in the shoulders, less striations and cuts in the shoulders than there used to be, even in the 90's.
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I think Insulin has a lot to do with that loss in detail in the physiques. You can especially tell the difference in the shoulders, less striations and cuts in the shoulders than there used to be, even in the 90's.
Yes big difference.
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Come on bro.......bottomline is the ONLY person that knows what a pro is taking is a pro. Look at the progression of bodybuilding over the years. Do you honestly believe training and nutrition are so advanced as to be responsible for producing the Kevin Levrone's and Ronnie Coleman's of the world? Do you honestly think that if the amount of drugs and drug use that exists today in the Pros was around in Arnold's day you wouldn't see the size that you do today? The entire sport of bodybuilding is built on this dichotomy that pros don't take nearly what you think they do and they take a helluva lot more than you could imagine. They love it that way! It keeps everybody guessing. But like you said, if you don't have the genetics all the drugs in the world won't make a damn bit of difference. But if you have the genetics to be a pro and step on stage with the likes of a Ronnie Coleman drugs will make or break those aspirations. Most of the online bodybuilding community is full of idiots, wannabes, and people that know fuck all about real training and nutrition except for what they read in bodybuilding magazines. When it comes to drugs and drug use the online bodybuilding community is even more uninformed. Pros are using the shit out of GH and have been for years. The bodybuilders of the 80's and early 90's are probably the peak of what a bodybuilder with pro genetics can achieve using anabolics. The 21st century bodybuilder is a result of a massive increase in drug use....specifically GH and slin. There is a point of diminishing returns with anabolic steroids. After a certain point taking testosterone beyond a certain point will not yield any more dramatic increases in muscle mass.......hence this point was reached 10-15 years ago.
What you said is kind of what I was getting at. People have made their minds up as to what the real truth is and it doesn't matter what the real truth actually is since their minds are already made up.
Now maybe I was misunderstood a little bit in my last post...I'm not saying pro's are taking small amounts of drugs. I'm saying there is a large misconception as to how much drugs, which drugs, who's using what and who's not, etc.
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What you said is kind of what I was getting at. People have made their minds up as to what the real truth is and it doesn't matter what the real truth actually is since their minds are already made up.
Now maybe I was misunderstood a little bit in my last post...I'm not saying pro's are taking small amounts of drugs. I'm saying there is a large misconception as to how much drugs, which drugs, who's using what and who's not, etc.
tell us how much test you hear a *non specific* pro bodybuilder was using
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tell us how much test you hear a *non specific* pro bodybuilder was using
2000mg/wk seems to be a common amount for maintenance, 3500mg/wk seems to be a common trend for Off-Season growth.
There are guys who run more, but not as many as some might think.
There are guys that run less too, and some of them are some of the more well known successful BB out there.
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2000mg/wk seems to be a common amount for maintenance, 3500mg/wk seems to be a common trend for Off-Season growth.
There are guys who run more, but not as many as some might think.
There are guys that run less too, and some of them are some of the more well known successful BB out there.
I know very little about aas, but i know that isnt a small dose.
According to google an adult male produces around 50mg per week. That means these guys have 70 times more hormones than a normal man!!! :o
gives the phrase 'all drugs' a lot of merit!
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the normal man isnt carrying around 250lb + of lean muscle tho............ id say 3500 doesnt sound that bad, im guessing the lads on low doses are well into insulin tho?
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the normal man isnt carrying around 250lb + of lean muscle tho............ id say 3500 doesnt sound that bad, im guessing the lads on low doses are well into insulin tho?
I know for fact, 100% positive that one of the biggest guys who is one of the biggest names out there cruises on 2000mg/test/wk and doesn't touch insulin.
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I know for fact, 100% positive that one of the biggest guys who is one of the biggest names out there cruises on 2000mg/test/wk and doesn't touch insulin.
I know you're much more in the know with the pros than most here, but I can't honestly believe that he's being 100% honest.
Secondly, if he cruises on 2g's a week, what does he bulk on?
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Damn DIV great thread, this shit needs to be in Men's Health, but they can't be honest to their readers, genious thread actually. Aj thanks for the breakdown of PRO's vs us, maybe I should up my dosage by x2 and be at 2gr, would come out to be about 130 a month, not too bad for expenses considering protein powder would usually cost someone that much.
jt
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I know you're much more in the know with the pros than most here, but I can't honestly believe that he's being 100% honest.
Secondly, if he cruises on 2g's a week, what does he bulk on?
Don't know but I can ask.
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Don't know but I can ask.
Sweet, thanks chief.
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did you talk to their dealer, arnold ? lololol
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did you talk to their dealer, arnold ? lololol
Most of these guys (the smart ones) don't use dealers any more
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Most of these guys (the smart ones) don't use dealers any more
What, they magically conjer up their shit or something?
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homebrew or through doctor ?
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Pros are using the shit out of GH and have been for years. The bodybuilders of the 80's and early 90's are probably the peak of what a bodybuilder with pro genetics can achieve using anabolics. The 21st century bodybuilder is a result of a massive increase in drug use....specifically GH and slin. There is a point of diminishing returns with anabolic steroids. After a certain point taking testosterone beyond a certain point will not yield any more dramatic increases in muscle mass.......hence this point was reached 10-15 years ago.
Great post Mcmannus. AJr, you tend to dellusionize.
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What, they magically conjer up their shit or something?
No, but you don't have to go through a dealer
homebrew or through doctor ?
Not Homebrew
Great post Mcmannus. AJr, you tend to dellusionize.
I haven't said anything that's not true...I have no reason to.
Think what you'd like...doesn't make it true or false. The truth is truth
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No, but you don't have to go through a dealer
Not Homebrew
I haven't said anything that's not true...I have no reason to.
Think what you'd like...doesn't make it true or false. The truth is truth
You're wrong about insulin, every single top 10 olympian uses it.
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You're wrong about insulin, every single top 10 olympian uses it.
Can you prove it? No, you can't.
Also, I never said that many of these guys have never used insulin, that was never what I said.
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Can you prove it? No, you can't.
Also, I never said that many of these guys have never used insulin, that was never what I said.
No I don't.
Like McMannus said, anabolics alone, you reach the point of diminishing returns, which was reached in the late 80's early 90's.
Then the physiques changed mid 90's...
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its called growth hormone, not insulin, insulin is king kamali
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No I don't.
Like McMannus said, anabolics alone, you reach the point of diminishing returns, which was reached in the late 80's early 90's.
Then the physiques changed mid 90's...
bodybuilding reached the point of diminishing returns? lol.. how do you describe that ? lmao hella funny
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bodybuilding reached the point of diminishing returns? lol.. how do you describe that ? lmao hella funny
go RTFT.
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What does RTFT mean?
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What does RTFT mean?
Read The Fucking Thread.
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Read The Fucking Thread.
don't be so crasp in this forum Alex.
jt
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bodybuilding reached the point of diminishing returns? lol.. how do you describe that ? lmao hella funny
Obviously you dont have much practical experience using steroids or know many that do. Why do you think as you get bigger and carry more muscle you have to increase your dosages? Why do you think you're first cycle is usually your best cycle? Like anything you can only increase your dosages so much to the point where going any higher or taking anymore isn't going to produce respective increases in muscle mass or size. Hence the huge difference in pro physiques nowadays vs. even 10 years ago. GH, Slin, IGF, no more diuretic use. Bodybuilding pushed the limits with anabolic steroids like Alex was saying in the 80's and 90's. Pros have since moved on to more exotic stacks and drugs. And their dosages are a lot higher as well.
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Read The Fucking Thread.
Thank you.
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Obviously you dont have much practical experience using steroids or know many that do. Why do you think as you get bigger and carry more muscle you have to increase your dosages? Why do you think you're first cycle is usually your best cycle? Like anything you can only increase your dosages so much to the point where going any higher or taking anymore isn't going to produce respective increases in muscle mass or size. Hence the huge difference in pro physiques nowadays vs. even 10 years ago. GH, Slin, IGF, no more diuretic use. Bodybuilding pushed the limits with anabolic steroids like Alex was saying in the 80's and 90's. Pros have since moved on to more exotic stacks and drugs. And their dosages are a lot higher as well.
exactly. This is why <place pro or top amateur getting his pro car here> suddenly explodes during a months period.
There are no doubts in my mind that the complexity and compound increase dramatically as you go up the food chain.
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Come on bro.......bottomline is the ONLY person that knows what a pro is taking is a pro. Look at the progression of bodybuilding over the years. Do you honestly believe training and nutrition are so advanced as to be responsible for producing the Kevin Levrone's and Ronnie Coleman's of the world? Do you honestly think that if the amount of drugs and drug use that exists today in the Pros was around in Arnold's day you wouldn't see the size that you do today? The entire sport of bodybuilding is built on this dichotomy that pros don't take nearly what you think they do and they take a helluva lot more than you could imagine. They love it that way! It keeps everybody guessing. But like you said, if you don't have the genetics all the drugs in the world won't make a damn bit of difference. But if you have the genetics to be a pro and step on stage with the likes of a Ronnie Coleman drugs will make or break those aspirations. Most of the online bodybuilding community is full of idiots, wannabes, and people that know fuck all about real training and nutrition except for what they read in bodybuilding magazines. When it comes to drugs and drug use the online bodybuilding community is even more uninformed. Pros are using the shit out of GH and have been for years. The bodybuilders of the 80's and early 90's are probably the peak of what a bodybuilder with pro genetics can achieve using anabolics. The 21st century bodybuilder is a result of a massive increase in drug use....specifically GH and slin. There is a point of diminishing returns with anabolic steroids. After a certain point taking testosterone beyond a certain point will not yield any more dramatic increases in muscle mass.......hence this point was reached 10-15 years ago.
I don't think there's a finite way of measuring the point of diminishing returns.
Everything is defined by genetics foremost and then you have factors such as the drugs and nutrition and training to an extent.
There were alot of guys in the 80's who megadosed by our standards and never had great physiques and others who got by with low to moderate doses and turned out to be Olympia winners.
I tend to think alot of the underacheivers like Gaspari were walking toxic factories, he never looked healthy while he was competing.
I don't think Arnold megadosed by our standards, but you can definitely tell he needed the AAS to get by.
Lee Priest was always strong but he didn't gain so much of that mass by accident and didn't bloat up in the off-seaon on a regime of Winstrol and GH.
DIV
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I don't think there's a finite way of measuring the point of diminishing returns.
Everything is defined by genetics foremost and then you have factors such as the drugs and nutrition and training to an extent.
There were alot of guys in the 80's who megadosed by our standards and never had great physiques and others who got by with low to moderate doses and turned out to be Olympia winners.
I tend to think alot of the underacheivers like Gaspari were walking toxic factories, he never looked healthy while he was competing.
I don't think Arnold megadosed by our standards, but you can definitely tell he needed the AAS to get by.
Lee Priest was always strong but he didn't gain so much of that mass by accident and didn't bloat up in the off-seaon on a regime of Winstrol and GH.
DIV
You're so wrong I don't know where to start....
On Gaspari... was healthier than you probably are. He likes droll a lot pre-contest which was his only vice.. many said his intensity was unreal and almost impossible to follow; you don't achieve that "unhealthily"...
Arnold was known to dbol in the 400mg range. IF that's not megadose, what is?
Lee tried GH once and didn't see the point other than being able to eat shit and still look good.
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You're so wrong I don't know where to start....
On Gaspari... was healthier than you probably are. He likes droll a lot pre-contest which was his only vice.. many said his intensity was unreal and almost impossible to follow; you don't achieve that "unhealthily"...
Arnold was known to dbol in the 400mg range. IF that's not megadose, what is?
Lee tried GH once and didn't see the point other than being able to eat shit and still look good.
You have no proof of anything, just your own opinion..........which doesn't mean much, Alex.
Gaspari looked unhealthy for most of his competition days and he didn't place well while doing the amount he needed, which I suspect from looking at him was alot. He was an underachiever with average genetics. Good vasularity, bad genetics.
Lee Priest was very un-healthy and his doctors told him to stop bloating up in the off-season due to kidney issues.....
He wasn't running Winstrol and GH, that's bullshit..........No one that short grows that large without genetics and copious amounts of AAS.
Arnold is completely full of shit.....from living with Weider as his pet to selling out for a supplement company, he's not someone I'd ever listen to if I wanted "the truth".
Arnold started the "gay for pay" trend with his posing for magazines.....
Believe what you want........
Most of the competitors from that time paint a very bad picture of Arnold and I tend to believe what the majority of them say over what a few "fans" would believe. :-X
DIV
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You have no proof of anything, just your own opinion..........which doesn't mean much, Alex.
DIV
... and you have "proofs" big guy?
Why do you keep saying Gaspari was an 'underachiever'? Everyone who got involved with him concur that he was a bodybuilder who trainer with the feakiest intensity and dedication. His business is also pretty successful;
On Arnold... what does g4p has to do with? All I'm saying is he did megadose on pretty much everything, difference is no gh, insulin, pgf and other peptides... (plus test was seen as "dirty") not physique like todays...
Lee said many times he tried only GH once and didn't see the point; I don't see why I would believe Lee.
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... and you have "proofs" big guy?
Why do you keep saying Gaspari was an 'underachiever'? Everyone who got involved with him concur that he was a bodybuilder who trainer with the feakiest intensity and dedication. His business is also pretty successful;
On Arnold... what does g4p has to do with? All I'm saying is he did megadose on pretty much everything, difference is no gh, insulin, pgf and other peptides... (plus test was seen as "dirty") not physique like todays...
Lee said many times he tried only GH once and didn't see the point; I don't see why I would believe Lee.
DIV is more knowledgeable on this subject alex, just like you know where the best hamburger joint is around town :)
jt
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DIV is more knowledgeable on this subject alex, just like you know where the best hamburger joint is around town :)
jt
.. not based on the pics I saw... I on the other hand get accused of juicing as day is long...
I guess he's right... genetics prevails.
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Lee tried GH once and didn't see the point other than being able to eat shit and still look good.
If I'm not mistaken Lee was kind of full of shit when it comes to AAS useage...however, he's more honest then most. I find it hard to believe that he only uses a little winny, clen, & nolva during contest prep & a shot or two of Deca in the off season.
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If I'm not mistaken Lee was kind of full of shit when it comes to AAS useage...however, he's more honest then most. I find it hard to believe that he only uses a little winny, clen, & nolva during contest prep & a shot or two of Deca in the off season.
you forgot primo and anavar.
However, Cathy confirmed it many times.
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No I don't.
Like McMannus said, anabolics alone, you reach the point of diminishing returns, which was reached in the late 80's early 90's.
Then the physiques changed mid 90's...
That could be true for almost anything. Which is why I've (mostly) run very mild doses.
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That could be true for almost anything. Which is why I've (mostly) run very mild doses.
We're talking 4-6g of test a weeks... which even late 80's was quite common. At one point the sides take over and the mass gains tend to zero...
still on those amount, they looking nothing like 2000's top pros.
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We're talking 4-6g of test a weeks... which even late 80's was quite common. At one point the sides take over and the mass gains tend to zero...
still on those amount, they looking nothing like 2000's top pros.
I understand completely. I know a few guys like that - taking massive doses & wondering why they've only gained two pound in a couple months but got some great tits going for them.
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go RTFT.
i was laughing at your choiuce of words dude i knew what you meant
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Obviously you dont have much practical experience using steroids or know many that do. Why do you think as you get bigger and carry more muscle you have to increase your dosages? Why do you think you're first cycle is usually your best cycle? Like anything you can only increase your dosages so much to the point where going any higher or taking anymore isn't going to produce respective increases in muscle mass or size. Hence the huge difference in pro physiques nowadays vs. even 10 years ago. GH, Slin, IGF, no more diuretic use. Bodybuilding pushed the limits with anabolic steroids like Alex was saying in the 80's and 90's. Pros have since moved on to more exotic stacks and drugs. And their dosages are a lot higher as well.
yeah dude....... i know ... . duuh.. lol
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I know you're much more in the know with the pros than most here, but I can't honestly believe that he's being 100% honest.
Secondly, if he cruises on 2g's a week, what does he bulk on?
OK, here's his breakdown.
He used to bulk at 3g/wk and cruise at 2g/wk
Now he cruises at 1g/wk and takes 2g/wk when needed in the off-season
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OK, here's his breakdown.
He used to bulk at 3g/wk and cruise at 2g/wk
Now he cruises at 1g/wk and takes 2g/wk when needed in the off-season
Sounds reasonable. After you brought that up I talked to a few guys I know and they said pretty similar amounts. Although they are IFFB pros, they aren't at the very top level but were taking close to that.
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OK, here's his breakdown.
He used to bulk at 3g/wk and cruise at 2g/wk
Now he cruises at 1g/wk and takes 2g/wk when needed in the off-season
thats just AAS what about slin gh igf prostaglandins thyroid ancilliries CREATINE ?? lmao
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thats just AAS what about slin gh igf prostaglandins thyroid ancilliries CREATINE ?? lmao
No, that's just test
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No, that's just test
so what else do you hear about these guys using ?
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If I'm not mistaken Lee was kind of full of shit when it comes to AAS useage...however, he's more honest then most. I find it hard to believe that he only uses a little winny, clen, & nolva during contest prep & a shot or two of Deca in the off season.
Lee didn't get that kind of mass on Winsrol and GH.....
I don't think he'd ever be truly honest about that kind of thing.
All of this conjecture really doesn't mean much.
DIV
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so what else do you hear about these guys using ?
I have talked about GH and slin with some of them...obviously since I mentioned that in the beginning. My point with that, a lot of them even though they did use slin in the beginning, many of them stop once they reach a certain point. GH, yes they use it, several of them in the 8-10iu/ed. Some much higher, much higher, but not as many as some seem to think.
Other drugs, haven't really talked about it that much. Did have a conversation with one of the last 3 Olympia winners about what he took for contest prep...there was nothing magical about it. Just the same things everyone uses, i.e. tren, winny, thyroid meds, etc.
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I have talked about GH and slin with some of them...obviously since I mentioned that in the beginning. My point with that, a lot of them even though they did use slin in the beginning, many of them stop once they reach a certain point. GH, yes they use it, several of them in the 8-10iu/ed. Some much higher, much higher, but not as many as some seem to think.
Other drugs, haven't really talked about it that much. Did have a conversation with one of the last 3 Olympia winners about what he took for contest prep...there was nothing magical about it. Just the same things everyone uses, i.e. tren, winny, thyroid meds, etc.
Arnold thank you for sharing this information, we are lucky to have you on this board and willing to write great posts.
jt
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I have talked about GH and slin with some of them...obviously since I mentioned that in the beginning. My point with that, a lot of them even though they did use slin in the beginning, many of them stop once they reach a certain point. GH, yes they use it, several of them in the 8-10iu/ed. Some much higher, much higher, but not as many as some seem to think.
Other drugs, haven't really talked about it that much. Did have a conversation with one of the last 3 Olympia winners about what he took for contest prep...there was nothing magical about it. Just the same things everyone uses, i.e. tren, winny, thyroid meds, etc.
It's too bad these guys aren't completely honest with you.
That would really open alot of eyes.
If a guy like Lee Priest told kids what he really used, alot of eyes would be opened and some pro aspirations would be crushed.
DIV
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It's too bad these guys aren't completely honest with you.
That would really open alot of eyes.
If a guy like Lee Priest told kids what he really used, alot of eyes would be opened and some pro aspirations would be crushed.
DIV
i dont care how good someones genetics are...your not going to get to that level with winny,clen, and nolva! laughing my ass off people would believe that!
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It's too bad these guys aren't completely honest with you.
That would really open alot of eyes.
If a guy like Lee Priest told kids what he really used, alot of eyes would be opened and some pro aspirations would be crushed.
DIV
Serious question...what have I mentioned that leads you to believe they aren't being honest?
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Serious question...what have I mentioned that leads you to believe they aren't being honest?
I just have a deep skepticism that the heavy hitters are going to reveal real world dosages.
Shit, Priest won't even give out Pro-Lab t-shirts when kids ask so why would he reveal anything about his personal life?
DIV
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div what dose do you think the pros are taking with tren ace?
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Lee didn't get that kind of mass on Winsrol and GH.....
I don't think he'd ever be truly honest about that kind of thing.
All of this conjecture really doesn't mean much.
DIV
I don't think you truly honest either; you claim cycling yea 'round but you don't have the physique to show for.
Me on the other hand get endlessly grilled about non usage, yet roll natural....
who's lying bro?
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I just have a deep skepticism that the heavy hitters are going to reveal real world dosages.
Shit, Priest won't even give out Pro-Lab t-shirts when kids ask so why would he reveal anything about his personal life?
DIV
They have no reason to lie to me. Second and this being the most important aspect, I've witnessed some of their usage first hand...not sure how best to describe what I'm getting at without saying the wrong thing.
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They have no reason to lie to me. Second and this being the most important aspect, I've witnessed some of their usage first hand...not sure how best to describe what I'm getting at without saying the wrong thing.
Sure they do.
Why would they tell you their actual dosages if there's nothing in it for them?
I'm not asking you for details because I really don't care what pro bodybuilders do, but unless you're paying them or compensating them in some way I don't see why they'd talk to you at all.
I don't think you truly honest either; you claim cycling yea 'round but you don't have the physique to show for.
Me on the other hand get endlessly grilled about non usage, yet roll natural....
who's lying bro?
Considering the fact that you've only seen one or two pics of me from vacation a couple years ago, I'm not sure you can vouch for what I look like.
That, plus I'm a strength athlete, not a bodybuilder.........huge difference.
I don't have much doubt that I lift more than most, you included, young Alex.
Your mouth gets you in to more trouble than anything else, that's how you roll.
For someone who claims to be all-natural you sure seem to bring alot of attention to yourself.
I'm very unnatural, but I don't see why that's a big deal.
The Darkside called.........and I listened.
DIV
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Why did you delete my post you coward fraud?
You are a fraud; prove us you walk to walk or shut your pie hole.
HHAHAA "dark side", what is that a star trek convention?
I'm natural and bigger than you ever will; why would you juice and look like you do?
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Why did you delete my post you coward fraud?
You are a fraud; prove us you walk to walk or shut your pie hole.
HHAHAA "dark side", what is that a star trek convention?
I'm natural and bigger than you ever will; why would you juice and look like you do?
You're a joke who doesn't even post here.
Don't you belong back on the Gossip forum?
For someone who claims to be natural you don't know anything about AAS.
You have no basis for even being here, other than to call out people who DO use and who are stronger than you.
I delete you because you have no reason to be here, you don't use and you don't know anything that would contribute to the forum.
Is that enough? ;D
DIV
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Alex your out of line, he needs a timeout from this board to respect the moderators.
jt
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You're a joke who doesn't even post here.
Don't you belong back on the Gossip forum?
For someone who claims to be natural you don't know anything about AAS.
You have no basis for even being here, other than to call out people who DO use and who are stronger than you.
I delete you because you have no reason to be here, you don't use and you don't know anything that would contribute to the forum.
Is that enough? ;D
DIV
Why is Tbomz alowed to post here?
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Why is Tbomz alowed to post here?
LOL.
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LOL.
...boom
If you're going to try to sound like you know what you are talking about try to use terms that sound intelligent.... Class I vs. Class II.
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You're a joke who doesn't even post here.
Don't you belong back on the Gossip forum?
For someone who claims to be natural you don't know anything about AAS.
You have no basis for even being here, other than to call out people who DO use and who are stronger than you.
I delete you because you have no reason to be here, you don't use and you don't know anything that would contribute to the forum.
Is that enough? ;D
DIV
So I need to shoot myself in the ass to post on here?
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You're so wrong I don't know where to start....
On Gaspari... was healthier than you probably are. He likes droll a lot pre-contest which was his only vice.. many said his intensity was unreal and almost impossible to follow; you don't achieve that "unhealthily"...
Arnold was known to dbol in the 400mg range. IF that's not megadose, what is?
Lee tried GH once and didn't see the point other than being able to eat shit and still look good.
LOLOLOL!!!!! lay off the crack pipe dude, stick to the G&O you're better suited for it. Most people use dbol in the 30-50mg a day range, considering Arnold was using properly dosed CIBA manufactured LEGIT dbol, I find it hard to believe he could possibly have gone over 80mg a day... let alone 5 times that.
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LOLOLOL!!!!! lay off the crack pipe dude, stick to the G&O you're better suited for it. Most people use dbol in the 30-50mg a day range, considering Arnold was using properly dosed CIBA manufactured LEGIT dbol, I find it hard to believe he could possibly have gone over 80mg a day... let alone 5 times that.
They were dosed at 5mg a tab were they not?
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hell yeah arnold used 400mg per day he ate them like candy.. back then they had no idea taking the stuff was in any way harmful and they had no reason to limit their consumption... it was CHEAP LEGAL LEGIT (and according to knowledge of the time "perfectly safe").. arnold knew since day 1 he wanted nto be "best bodybuilder to ever walk the planet"... dude trained insane ate like a horse and MEGA DOSE THE SHIT OUT OF DBOL
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hell yeah arnold used 400mg per day he ate them like candy.. back then they had no idea taking the stuff was in any way harmful and they had no reason to limit their consumption... it was CHEAP LEGAL LEGIT (and according to knowledge of the time "perfectly safe").. arnold knew since day 1 he wanted nto be "best bodybuilder to ever walk the planet"... dude trained insane ate like a horse and MEGA DOSE THE SHIT OUT OF DBOL
Are you truly that fucking retarded !?!?!! do you know how many pills 400mg @ 5mg a pill is !??!
that's 80 fucking pills a day...you're telling me Arnold went through a couple of full bottles of legitimately dosed dbol a day ?!! oh wait I forgot... you were there at his side all those years 'watching him pop them like candy' ... my bad. you're fucking retraded, try eating 20 5mg dbol a day and tell me what kind of blood pressure and stomach problems you get.
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Im sure most that have been training a while have heard the story of how Larry Scott and the bodybuilders of that time Met at girondas gym to discuss if it was safe to increase dbol dose from one tab a day to two , so 10mg
And thats what Scott used to win his first Mr O..
If that story is correct than Arnold dosing at 400 megs a day seem a bit far fetched.
Ive also read the storys how arnold doubled the doses of what was considered safe at the time also, amoung others where he didnt even measure out the doses just filled his palm with the lil football shaped pills and swallowed.
Its all folklore how ever and the only person that really knows is the big guy himself..
If its good quality pharma grade dbol then you sure as hell dont need 400mgs a day , if you are a bigger guy and cant grow off under 100mg then you have fakes or you are not meant for BB.