The Breakdown of Anabolic Users...

[Alex23]

No, but you don't have to go through a dealer

Not Homebrew

I haven't said anything that's not true...I have no reason to.

Think what you'd like...doesn't make it true or false. The truth is truth

You're wrong about insulin, every single top 10 olympian uses it.

[Arnold jr]

You're wrong about insulin, every single top 10 olympian uses it.

Can you prove it? No, you can't.

Also, I never said that many of these guys have never used insulin, that was never what I said.

[Alex23]

Can you prove it? No, you can't.

Also, I never said that many of these guys have never used insulin, that was never what I said.

No I don't.

Like McMannus said, anabolics alone, you reach the point of diminishing returns, which was reached in the late 80's early 90's.

Then the physiques changed mid 90's...

[jtsunami]

its called growth hormone, not insulin, insulin is king kamali

[tbombz]

No I don't.

Like McMannus said, anabolics alone, you reach the point of diminishing returns, which was reached in the late 80's early 90's.
Then the physiques changed mid 90's...

bodybuilding reached the point of diminishing returns? lol.. how do you describe that ? lmao hella funny

[Alex23]

bodybuilding reached the point of diminishing returns? lol.. how do you describe that ? lmao hella funny

go RTFT.

[MLAT]

What does RTFT mean?

[Alex23]

What does RTFT mean?

Read The Fucking Thread.

[jtsunami]

Read The Fucking Thread.

don't be so crasp in this forum Alex.

jt

[MuscleMcMannus]

bodybuilding reached the point of diminishing returns? lol.. how do you describe that ? lmao hella funny

Obviously you dont have much practical experience using steroids or know many that do.  Why do you think as you get bigger and carry more muscle you have to increase your dosages?  Why do you think you're first cycle is usually your best cycle?  Like anything you can only increase your dosages so much to the point where going any higher or taking anymore isn't going to produce respective increases in muscle mass or size.  Hence the huge difference in pro physiques nowadays vs. even 10 years ago.  GH, Slin, IGF, no more diuretic use.  Bodybuilding pushed the limits with anabolic steroids like Alex was saying in the 80's and 90's.  Pros have since moved on to more exotic stacks and drugs.  And their dosages are a lot higher as well.   

[MLAT]

Read The Fucking Thread.

Thank you.

[Alex23]

Obviously you dont have much practical experience using steroids or know many that do.  Why do you think as you get bigger and carry more muscle you have to increase your dosages?  Why do you think you're first cycle is usually your best cycle?  Like anything you can only increase your dosages so much to the point where going any higher or taking anymore isn't going to produce respective increases in muscle mass or size.  Hence the huge difference in pro physiques nowadays vs. even 10 years ago.  GH, Slin, IGF, no more diuretic use.  Bodybuilding pushed the limits with anabolic steroids like Alex was saying in the 80's and 90's.  Pros have since moved on to more exotic stacks and drugs.  And their dosages are a lot higher as well.   

exactly. This is why <place pro or top amateur getting his pro car here> suddenly explodes during a months period.

There are no doubts in my mind that the complexity and compound increase dramatically as you go up the food chain.

[DIVISION]

  Come on bro.......bottomline is the ONLY person that knows what a pro is taking is a pro.  Look at the progression of bodybuilding over the years.  Do you honestly believe training and nutrition are so advanced as to be responsible for producing the Kevin Levrone's and Ronnie Coleman's of the world?  Do you honestly think that if the amount of drugs and drug use that exists today in the Pros was around in Arnold's day you wouldn't see the size that you do today?  The entire sport of bodybuilding is built on this dichotomy that pros don't take nearly what you think they do and they take a helluva lot more than you could imagine.  They love it that way!  It keeps everybody guessing.  But like you said, if you don't have the genetics all the drugs in the world won't make a damn bit of difference.  But if you have the genetics to be a pro and step on stage with the likes of a Ronnie Coleman drugs will make or break those aspirations.  Most of the online bodybuilding community is full of idiots, wannabes, and people that know fuck all about real training and nutrition except for what they read in bodybuilding magazines.  When it comes to drugs and drug use the online bodybuilding community is even more uninformed.  Pros are using the shit out of GH and have been for years.  The bodybuilders of the 80's and early 90's are probably the peak of what a bodybuilder with pro genetics can achieve using anabolics.  The 21st century bodybuilder is a result of a massive increase in drug use....specifically GH and slin.  There is a point of diminishing returns with anabolic steroids.  After a certain point taking testosterone beyond a certain point will not yield any more dramatic increases in muscle mass.......hence this point was reached 10-15 years ago. 

I don't think there's a finite way of measuring the point of diminishing returns.

Everything is defined by genetics foremost and then you have factors such as the drugs and nutrition and training to an extent.

There were alot of guys in the 80's who megadosed by our standards and never had great physiques and others who got by with low to moderate doses and turned out to be Olympia winners.

I tend to think alot of the underacheivers like Gaspari were walking toxic factories, he never looked healthy while he was competing.

I don't think Arnold megadosed by our standards, but you can definitely tell he needed the AAS to get by.

Lee Priest was always strong but he didn't gain so much of that mass by accident and didn't bloat up in the off-seaon on a regime of Winstrol and GH.



DIV

[Alex23]

I don't think there's a finite way of measuring the point of diminishing returns.
Everything is defined by genetics foremost and then you have factors such as the drugs and nutrition and training to an extent.
There were alot of guys in the 80's who megadosed by our standards and never had great physiques and others who got by with low to moderate doses and turned out to be Olympia winners.
I tend to think alot of the underacheivers like Gaspari were walking toxic factories, he never looked healthy while he was competing.
I don't think Arnold megadosed by our standards, but you can definitely tell he needed the AAS to get by.
Lee Priest was always strong but he didn't gain so much of that mass by accident and didn't bloat up in the off-seaon on a regime of Winstrol and GH.
DIV

You're so wrong I don't know where to start....

On Gaspari... was healthier than you probably are. He likes droll a lot pre-contest which was his only vice.. many said his intensity was unreal and almost impossible to follow; you don't achieve that "unhealthily"...

Arnold was known to dbol in the 400mg range. IF that's not megadose, what is?

Lee tried GH once and didn't see the point other than being able to eat shit and still look good.

[DIVISION]

You're so wrong I don't know where to start....

On Gaspari... was healthier than you probably are. He likes droll a lot pre-contest which was his only vice.. many said his intensity was unreal and almost impossible to follow; you don't achieve that "unhealthily"...

Arnold was known to dbol in the 400mg range. IF that's not megadose, what is?

Lee tried GH once and didn't see the point other than being able to eat shit and still look good.

You have no proof of anything, just your own opinion..........which doesn't mean much, Alex.

Gaspari looked unhealthy for most of his competition days and he didn't place well while doing the amount he needed, which I suspect from looking at him was alot.  He was an underachiever with average genetics.  Good vasularity, bad genetics.

Lee Priest was very un-healthy and his doctors told him to stop bloating up in the off-season due to kidney issues.....

He wasn't running Winstrol and GH, that's bullshit..........No one that short grows that large without genetics and copious amounts of AAS.

Arnold is completely full of shit.....from living with Weider as his pet to selling out for a supplement company, he's not someone I'd ever listen to if I wanted "the truth".

Arnold started the "gay for pay" trend with his posing for magazines.....

Believe what you want........

Most of the competitors from that time paint a very bad picture of Arnold and I tend to believe what the majority of them say over what a few "fans" would believe.   


DIV

[Alex23]

You have no proof of anything, just your own opinion..........which doesn't mean much, Alex.

DIV

... and you have "proofs" big guy?

Why do you keep saying Gaspari was an 'underachiever'? Everyone who got involved with him concur that he was a bodybuilder who trainer with the feakiest intensity and dedication. His business is also pretty successful;

On Arnold... what does g4p has to do with? All I'm saying is he did megadose on pretty much everything, difference is no gh, insulin, pgf and other peptides... (plus test was seen as "dirty") not physique like todays...

Lee said many times he tried only GH once and didn't see the point; I don't see why I would believe Lee.

[jtsunami]

... and you have "proofs" big guy?

Why do you keep saying Gaspari was an 'underachiever'? Everyone who got involved with him concur that he was a bodybuilder who trainer with the feakiest intensity and dedication. His business is also pretty successful;

On Arnold... what does g4p has to do with? All I'm saying is he did megadose on pretty much everything, difference is no gh, insulin, pgf and other peptides... (plus test was seen as "dirty") not physique like todays...

Lee said many times he tried only GH once and didn't see the point; I don't see why I would believe Lee.

DIV is more knowledgeable on this subject alex, just like you know where the best hamburger joint is around town

jt

[Alex23]

DIV is more knowledgeable on this subject alex, just like you know where the best hamburger joint is around town
jt

.. not based on the pics I saw... I on the other hand get accused of juicing as day is long...

I guess he's right... genetics prevails.

[Rimbaud]

Lee tried GH once and didn't see the point other than being able to eat shit and still look good.

If I'm not mistaken Lee was kind of full of shit when it comes to AAS useage...however, he's more honest then most. I find it hard to believe that he only uses a little winny, clen, & nolva during contest prep & a shot or two of Deca in the off season.

[Alex23]

If I'm not mistaken Lee was kind of full of shit when it comes to AAS useage...however, he's more honest then most. I find it hard to believe that he only uses a little winny, clen, & nolva during contest prep & a shot or two of Deca in the off season.

you forgot primo and anavar.

However, Cathy confirmed it many times.

[Rimbaud]

No I don't.

Like McMannus said, anabolics alone, you reach the point of diminishing returns, which was reached in the late 80's early 90's.

Then the physiques changed mid 90's...

That could be true for almost anything. Which is why I've (mostly) run very mild doses.

[Alex23]

That could be true for almost anything. Which is why I've (mostly) run very mild doses.

We're talking 4-6g of test a weeks... which even late 80's was quite common. At one point the sides take over and the mass gains tend to zero...

still on those amount, they looking nothing like 2000's top pros.

[Rimbaud]

We're talking 4-6g of test a weeks... which even late 80's was quite common. At one point the sides take over and the mass gains tend to zero...

still on those amount, they looking nothing like 2000's top pros.

I understand completely. I know a few guys like that - taking massive doses & wondering why they've only gained two pound in a couple months but got some great tits going for them.

[tbombz]

go RTFT.

i was laughing at your choiuce of words dude i knew what you meant

[tbombz]

Obviously you dont have much practical experience using steroids or know many that do.  Why do you think as you get bigger and carry more muscle you have to increase your dosages?  Why do you think you're first cycle is usually your best cycle?  Like anything you can only increase your dosages so much to the point where going any higher or taking anymore isn't going to produce respective increases in muscle mass or size.  Hence the huge difference in pro physiques nowadays vs. even 10 years ago.  GH, Slin, IGF, no more diuretic use.  Bodybuilding pushed the limits with anabolic steroids like Alex was saying in the 80's and 90's.  Pros have since moved on to more exotic stacks and drugs.  And their dosages are a lot higher as well.   

yeah dude....... i know  ... . duuh.. lol