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Surprised the Tribune would publish this. They seem to be quite enamoured with Obama. It's on page 21 of the main news section.
This is the draft version. I can't get any of the final advert versions to work.
An Open Letter to Barack Obama:
Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.?
Are you legally eligible to hold the Office of President?
December 1, 2008
Mr. Barack Obama
Barack Obama Transition Office
Kluczynski Federal Building
230 So. Dearborn St.
Chicago, Illinois 60604
Dear Mr. Obama:
Representing thousands of responsible American citizens who have also taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies foreign and domestic, I am duty bound to call on you to remedy an apparent violation of the Constitution.
Compelling evidence supports the claim that you are barred from holding the Office of President by the “natural born citizen” clause of the U.S. Constitution. For instance:
Your father was a Kenyan citizen at the time of your birth and your mother was 18.
Legal affidavits state you were born in Kenya.
Your grandmother is recorded on tape saying she attended your birth in Kenya.
Hawaii Dept of Health will not confirm your assertion that you were born in Hawaii.
You have posted an unsigned, computer-generated birth form that was created in 2007, a form that lacks vital information found on an original, hand signed Certificate of Live Birth, such as hospital address, signature of attending physician and age of mother.
U.S. Law in 1961 denied U.S. citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age.
In 1965, your mother legally relinquished whatever Kenyan or U.S. citizenship she and you had by marrying an Indonesian and becoming a naturalized Indonesian citizen.
You have repeatedly refused to provide evidence of your eligibility when challenged to do so in a number of recent lawsuits. Instead, you have been successful in having judges declare that they are powerless to order you to prove your eligibility to assume the Office of President.
For instance, the judge in Pennsylvania ruled the challenger had no standing to question your eligibility because his harm would be no different from the harm to be suffered by all other American citizens if you, as an ineligible person were to assume the Presidency. The judge in Hawaii actually said it would be an invasion of your privacy for him to order access to your original birth certificate in order to prove your eligibility to hold the Office of President.
Before you can legitimately exercise any of the powers of the President you must meet all the criteria for eligibility established by the Constitution. You are under a moral, legal, and fiduciary duty to proffer such evidence. Should you assume the office as anyone but a bona fide natural born citizen of the United States who has
not relinquished that citizenship, you would be inviting a national crisis that would undermine the domestic peace and stability of the Nation. For example:
You would always be viewed by many Americans as a poseur - a usurper.
As a usurper, you would be unable to take the required “Oath or Affirmation” on January 20 without committing the crime of perjury or false swearing, for being ineligible you cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States.
You would be entitled to no obedience whatsoever from the People.
The armed forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you.
No civilian in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally void.
Your appointments of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be void no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take.
Congress would not be able to pass new laws because it would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President.
As a usurper, Congress would be unable to remove you from the Office of the President on Impeachment, inviting certain political chaos including a potential for armed conflicts within the General Government or among the States and the People to effect the removal of such a usurper.
In consideration of the escalating constitutional crisis brought on by the total lack of evidence needed to conclusively establish your eligibility, I am compelled to lodge a First Amendment Petition for a Redress of this constitutional tort.
With all due respect, I ask that you immediately direct the appropriate Hawaiian officials to allow access to the vault copy of your birth certificate by our forensic scientists on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, December 5, 6 and 7, 2008.
In addition, I ask that you to arrange to have the following documentary evidence delivered to the National Press Club by 10 am on December 8, 2008.
a certified copy of your “vault” (original long version) birth certificate.
certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham.
a certified copy of your Certification of Citizenship.
a certified copy of your Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity.
certified copies of your admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School.
certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing your name from Barry Soetoro.
“In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.” Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this urgent matter.
Sincerely,
Robert L. Schulz
Chairman
We The People Foundation
For Constitutional Education, Inc.
www.WeThePeopleFoundatio n.org
2458 Ridge Road Queensbury, NY 12804
info@givemeliberty.org
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The thing most people don't get about the media is that is NOT liberal, or conservative. It's capitalist!
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If there is any question the guy ought to provide proof and lay this to rest. For the sake of argument, what happens if they find out,lock solid proof, that he was born elsewhere?
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Wasn't this brought up a while ago and wasn't it laid to rest then? I even seem to remember someone here even posting a pic of the actual birth certificate.
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Yes but the thing was crossed out and it was second hand and bottom line...if ur a CT nut there was a hole big enough to drive a truck through.
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he wont reply, why would he? he already won.
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The document images that Barack Obama has shown online and in the O-Bot favorable sites such as FactCheck.org is NOT, I repeat NOT a birth certificate. A real birth certificate for that time period is hand typed has much more information, such as hospital, age of mother, attending physician, real signatures of mother and witnesses to birth, and has the word "certificate" on it, not certification.
Also, Hawaiian birth registration laws were very lax in the 60s. Registration of a birth in Hawaii could be done for a child born anywhere in the world as long as the mother lived in Hawaii for one year prior to the birth of the child. There are serious doubts about Obama's qualifications per the U.S Constitution's special mandates to serve as the President. Also there are credible allegations even those images online of the registration of a birth (which is not a birth certificate) have been altered or forged, similar to his forged Draft Registration record document. That birth document online is being misrepresented as to what it really is and its legal merits. Even Hawaii courts would not accept what Obama has proffered in a child paternity or support case.
There are different categories of citizens in a legal sense in the USA, i.e., naturalized, native born, and natural born. And native born is NOT natural born. To be "natural born" both your parents must be citizens at the time of your birth and you must be born in the USA or a territory under U.S. jurisdiction. There are serious doubts that Obama was even Native Born, i.e., the Kenya allegations. But he is certainly not Natural Born per his own unknowing admission, since his father was never a U.S. citizen of any classification and was in fact a British Subject. Obama has said his father was a British Subject. That is a fact. Thus Obama is not a NBC, per the constitutional meaning of that, which is what the cases filed at SCOTUS are going to rule on in the Donofrio of NJ case that is there now.
Search google using "Obama Citizenship Donofrio" or "Obama Supreme Court Donofrio" to see more stories on the case. Google has been suppressing current stories if you are not clever enough to include the name of the attorney who filed the case, i.e., Donofrio. For the latest on what Barack Obama has proffered as evidence of his Natural Born Citizenship (NBC) and what he has NOT provided to conclusively prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, and the status of lawsuits at the U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) to force him to prove it or withdraw, see this new website blog I put up a few weeks ago. Spread the word. Feel free to post my comments and blog site URL elsewhere and everywhere. :-)
http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org (http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org)
or
http://www.obamabirthcertificatefacts.org (http://www.obamabirthcertificatefacts.org)
and
http://americamustknow.com (http://americamustknow.com)
Mountain Publius Goat
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brutal conspiracy theory.
the same repubs who were shitting on CTs for the last 8 years are suddenly creating gimmicks to share their new obama CTs. Pussies :)
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Look out...here comes the sore losers....don't slip on your flop sweat boys.
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The Consititution has been a dead letter for the last 8 years...who cares now? :)
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I can't believe people are still all over this thing. Pretty silly.
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Seriously, you think if there wasn't a possibility he was a US citizen that the RNC and the DNC (including Hillary) wouldn't have found this out by now?
Ridiculous.
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The news outlets are shitting all over this story today, as it gains momentum.
Turns out "right-wing conspiracy theorists" like Rush are making a big deal about it.
They were making tinfoil hat comments and giggling about "blogosphere nutcases with zero chance of success".
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Seriously, you think if there wasn't a possibility he was a US citizen that the RNC and the DNC (including Hillary) wouldn't have found this out by now?
Ridiculous.
Bumping my question to those who think that he's not a citizen.
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This should have been looked into thoroughly before he became the democratic nominee. I can't imagine he got this far without truely being born in the US. Either way now it's too late IMO. The upheval and embarassment would be great for the country if we find out he was not born here and this wasn't looked into when it should have been.
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Even if it were true, doesn't anyone think that a birthcertificate would've been 'found' by now?
It's sad that the US Sct is even entertaining this crap.
I'm ashamed to be associated with the legal profession...just like I felt after Bush v. Gore.
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Actually, if the 'rock-solid evidence' was there, why didn't the anti-Obama people use it for the October Surprise?
Why wait until December?? I don't get that.
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Suit contesting Barack Obama's citizenship heads to U.S. Supreme Court today
Justices will decide whether to consider the case
By James Janega | Tribune reporter
6:30 AM CST, December 5, 2008
The U.S. Supreme Court will consider today whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's election.
The meeting of justices will coincide with a vigil by the filer's supporters in Washington on the steps of the nation's highest court.
The suit originally sought to stay the election, and was filed on behalf of Leo Donofrio against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells.
Legal experts say the appeal has little chance of succeeding, despite appearing on the court's schedule. Legal records show it is only the tip of an iceberg of nationwide efforts seeking to derail Obama's election over accusations that he either wasn't born a U.S. citizen or that he later renounced his citizenship in Indonesia.
The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a "natural-born" U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree.
Among those filing lawsuits is Alan Keyes, who lost to Obama in the 2004 Illinois Senate race. Keyes' suit seeks to halt certification of votes in California. Another suit by a Kentucky man seeks to have a federal judge review Obama's original birth certificate, which Hawaiian officials say is locked in a state vault.
Other suits have been filed by Andy Martin, whose case was dismissed in Hawaii, and by an Ohio man whose case also was dismissed. Five more suits, all later dismissed, were filed in Hawaii by a person who is currently suing the "Peoples Association of Human, Animals Conceived God/s and Religions, John McCain [and] USA Govt." The plaintiff previously sought to sue Wikipedia and "All News Media."
The most famous case questioning Obama's citizenship was filed in Pennsylvania in August on behalf of Philip J. Berg and sought to enjoin the Democratic National Committee from nominating Obama. The U.S. Supreme Court denied an application for an injunction and hasn't scheduled a conference on other aspects of the case. Earlier, a federal judge rejected it for "lack of standing"—ruling that Berg had no legal right to sue. In cases like this, judges sometimes believe the matter is best left to political institutions, such as the Electoral College or Congress, said legal scholar Eugene Volokh of the University of California at Los Angeles.
The remaining case with the highest profile is Donofrio vs. Wells. Because it was referred by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to other justices for conference, it gained undue importance for people unschooled in how the court works, Volokh said.
Many petitioners seeking stays of pending events have their cases distributed to the full court, he said. Of those, Volokh found that 782 were denied in the last eight years while just 60 were heard—and not all of those ultimately were successful.
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The news outlets are shitting all over this story today, as it gains momentum.
Turns out "right-wing conspiracy theorists" like Rush are making a big deal about it.
They were making tinfoil hat comments and giggling about "blogosphere nutcases with zero chance of success".
kinda like palins daughter being a gang banging lesbo whos mom had an affair with her business partner that you spammed the board with for 2 days straight but never got any proof of huh?
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kinda like palins daughter being a gang banging lesbo whos mom had an affair with her business partner that you spammed the board with for 2 days straight but never got any proof of huh?
Yep... but no one tried to sue her over it did they?
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Yep... but no one tried to sue her over it did they?
LOL no but they did over trooper gate didnt they which turned out to be nothing as well didnt they?
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LOL no but they did over trooper gate didnt they which turned out to be nothing as well didnt they?
state found she violated ethics but no laws, right?
"nothing"?
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state found she violated ethics but no laws, right?
"nothing"?
then she was cleared of that if im not mistaken, right?
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http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5768
ANCHORAGE (AP) — A report has cleared Gov. Sarah Palin of ethics violations in the firing of her public safety commissioner.
i guess that didnt make it to all those lefty blogs you got the rest of the nonsense you spammed this board with huh?
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http://houseofpolitics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5768
ANCHORAGE (AP) — A report has cleared Gov. Sarah Palin of ethics violations in the firing of her public safety commissioner.
Your source is a blog called 'house of politics' and is on a thread?
Let's see what some more credible sources had to say:
BBC NEWS | Americas | Palin abused power, probe finds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7662820.stm
Now, should I believe your 'blog', or the BBC?
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Your source is a blog called 'house of politics' and is on a thread?
Let's see what some more credible sources had to say:
BBC NEWS | Americas | Palin abused power, probe finds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7662820.stm
Now, should I believe your 'blog', or the BBC?
yes and we all know how picky you are about source, im sorry refresh my memory where did you get those stories about palins daughter? and where did you get that story about palin cheating on her husband with a business partner? the national enquirer oh yes such a fine institution with a great reputation for upstanding journalism... ::) you fuking idiot
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/04/sarah-palin-troopergate
"The Republican vice presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, has been cleared of wrong-doing in the "troopergate" controversy by a report released on the eve of the US election...The report contradicts a separate inquiry by a bipartisan legislative panel, which concluded that she abused her office"
My report released november 4th
your report released october 10th
again i guess that didnt make it to the national enquirer or the lefty blogs you get your info from did it?
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heres another one for your retarded ass from your own bbc i know its no national enquirer or drudge but hey
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7707489.stm
"Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has been cleared by a new report of abuse of power in firing Alaska's top law enforcement official."
again my report released november 4th
your report released october 10th
lets try and guess which one is more recent and valid?
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/04/sarah-palin-troopergate
Sorry boss... you're quoting the guardian.
According to WIKI,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
The Guardian is generally to the left of the political spectrum.
toney, you can take your left-wing news sources and shove them back up Olbermann's ass, where I'm sure you reside quite comfortably. You left-wing libs nutjobs just can't stop hating on America. Your use of extreme left-wing media illustrates this. Shame.
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Sorry boss... you're quoting the guardian.
According to WIKI,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
The Guardian is generally to the left of the political spectrum.
toney, you can take your left-wing news sources and shove them back up Olbermann's ass, where I'm sure you reside quite comfortably. You left-wing libs nutjobs just can't stop hating on America. Your use of extreme left-wing media illustrates this. Shame.
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LOL you fucktard, you where wrong about her gang banging lesbo daughter, you where wrong about troopergate, wrong about her cheating on her husband with a business partner...lol your the plague that kills this board my friend do us all a favor and off yourself.
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wouldnt the left want to see her guilty of it, what about the bbc? how about you research it and find your own maybe the national enquirer will have a report about it.
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LOL you fucktard, you where wrong about her gang banging lesbo daughter, you where wrong about troopergate, wrong about her cheating on her husband with a business partner...lol your the plague that kills this board my friend do us all a favor and off yourself.
You left-wing America-haters are sure full of rage.
You're using profanity and telling people to off themselves.
I'm presenting a clear analysis of the left-wing nature of your source.
It's always the people who are most wrong, who are yelling the loudest...
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You left-wing America-haters are sure full of rage.
You're using profanity and telling people to off themselves.
I'm presenting a clear analysis of the left-wing nature of your source.
It's always the people who are most wrong, who are yelling the loudest...
the left would want to find her guilty, i understand your bantor as you have been proven wrong on so many things and are trying to use sarcasm to hide your ignorance and idiocy...but you should own up to it and then maybe gain a bit of respect back rather than run from your mistakes.
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the left would want to find her guilty, i understand your bantor as you have been proven wrong on so many things and are trying to use sarcasm to hide your ignorance and idiocy...but you should own up to it and then maybe gain a bit of respect back rather than run from your mistakes.
What's the controversy?
She abused her office and she's a fuckin vindictive birdbrain.
God I pray she runs in 2012.
Put her on the ticket with Dan Quayle and use GW Bush as an adviser.
With that brain trust, they are sure to win.
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What's the controversy?
She abused her office and she's a fuckin vindictive birdbrain.
God I pray she runs in 2012.
Put her on the ticket with Dan Quayle and use GW Bush as an adviser.
With that brain trust, they are sure to win.
46% of Americans would still consider her the savior of the party because "she's one of us!"
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What's the controversy?
She abused her office and she's a fuckin vindictive birdbrain.
God I pray she runs in 2012.
Put her on the ticket with Dan Quayle and use GW Bush as an adviser.
With that brain trust, they are sure to win.
I can't quite put my finger on it but I'm getting this crazy vibe that you don't like her very much.
Still and all, as I've said before, I'd hit it with extreme prejudice.
But politically, as much as I do confess I like her, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping she's a flash in the pan as far as national politics is concerned. She's been lambasted (perhaps some of it deservedly, much of it not so) and the damage is done.
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LOL no but they did over trooper gate didnt they which turned out to be nothing as well didnt they?
Perhaps, but that was a legitimate inquiry.
What does this have to do with the fact that O'bama has a birth certificate from a US State?
Which he does... and is all the proof that is required that he is elligible to be President.
Again, if there was even a remote possibility that he was not elligible, either McCain or Clinton would have uncovered that rock long ago.
What I think is interesting is that the people who are most adament that CTers are quacks are the ones running around saying that THIS is a CT.
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What's the controversy?
She abused her office and she's a fuckin vindictive birdbrain.
God I pray she runs in 2012.
Put her on the ticket with Dan Quayle and use GW Bush as an adviser.
With that brain trust, they are sure to win.
she was then cleared of any wrong doing ethic or legal...240 doesnt seem to recognize that.
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Perhaps, but that was a legitimate inquiry.
What does this have to do with the fact that O'bama has a birth certificate from a US State?
Which he does... and is all the proof that is required that he is elligible to be President.
Again, if there was even a remote possibility that he was not elligible, either McCain or Clinton would have uncovered that rock long ago.
What I think is interesting is that the people who are most adament that CTers are quacks are the ones running around saying that THIS is a CT.
I never bought into this i think it was bs however 240 seems to like to rag on ppl for believing this or at least giving it thought when he spammed the board for a week straight about palin having an affair with a business partner, her daughter being a gang banging lesbo, and her ethics violations which she was cleared of...but doesnt see the irony and ignorance in his hypocrisy.
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I never bought into this i think it was bs however 240 seems to like to rag on ppl for believing this or at least giving it thought when he spammed the board for a week straight about palin having an affair with a business partner, her daughter being a gang banging lesbo, and her ethics violations which she was cleared of...but doesnt see the irony and ignorance in his hypocrisy.
Personally, I do still believe the kid isn't Sarah's but is her daughters, but that's neither here nor there... And the ethics violation... Well, let's say she was cleared, but you can't tell me that it didn't have an appearance of a conflict of interest... It did.
Apparently, she didn't really do anything wrong, and that's fine... but the inquiry was sound.
Obama's been a Senator for how long?
Has been vetted for how long before becoming President?
This entire thing is silly, the guy is obviously legally allowed to hold the office... Or else McCain or Clinton would have found this out long ago and shown the proof.
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Personally, I do still believe the kid isn't Sarah's but is her daughters, but that's neither here nor there... And the ethics violation... Well, let's say she was cleared, but you can't tell me that it didn't have an appearance of a conflict of interest... It did.
Apparently, she didn't really do anything wrong, and that's fine... but the inquiry was sound.
Obama's been a Senator for how long?
Has been vetted for how long before becoming President?
This entire thing is silly, the guy is obviously legally allowed to hold the office... Or else McCain or Clinton would have found this out long ago and shown the proof.
completely agree the same can be said about palins daughter being her daughters child if it were true or had any traction it would have been uncovered. Believing that is the equivilant of believing that obama isnt a citizen sorry bro but its true.
whether it appeared to have a conflict of interest or not isnt whats important whats important is that it didnt have a conflict of interest.
I think you are misunderstanding me i dont believe or think ppl should believe the birth certificate sham...just like ppl shouldnt believe that palins daughter is really her oldests daughters, her oldest daughter is a gang banging lesbo, or that she cheated on her husband with a business partner...my beef is with 240's dumb ignorant ass who spammed the board with that shit for a week or two straight and then makes fun of ppl who give credit to obamas birth certificate story.
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The document images that Barack Obama has shown online and in the O-Bot favorable sites such as FactCheck.org is NOT, I repeat NOT a birth certificate. A real birth certificate for that time period is hand typed has much more information, such as hospital, age of mother, attending physician, real signatures of mother and witnesses to birth, and has the word "certificate" on it, not certification.
Also, Hawaiian birth registration laws were very lax in the 60s. Registration of a birth in Hawaii could be done for a child born anywhere in the world as long as the mother lived in Hawaii for one year prior to the birth of the child. There are serious doubts about Obama's qualifications per the U.S Constitution's special mandates to serve as the President. Also there are credible allegations even those images online of the registration of a birth (which is not a birth certificate) have been altered or forged, similar to his forged Draft Registration record document. That birth document online is being misrepresented as to what it really is and its legal merits. Even Hawaii courts would not accept what Obama has proffered in a child paternity or support case.
There are different categories of citizens in a legal sense in the USA, i.e., naturalized, native born, and natural born. And native born is NOT natural born. To be "natural born" both your parents must be citizens at the time of your birth and you must be born in the USA or a territory under U.S. jurisdiction. There are serious doubts that Obama was even Native Born, i.e., the Kenya allegations. But he is certainly not Natural Born per his own unknowing admission, since his father was never a U.S. citizen of any classification and was in fact a British Subject. Obama has said his father was a British Subject. That is a fact. Thus Obama is not a NBC, per the constitutional meaning of that, which is what the cases filed at SCOTUS are going to rule on in the Donofrio of NJ case that is there now.
Search google using "Obama Citizenship Donofrio" or "Obama Supreme Court Donofrio" to see more stories on the case. Google has been suppressing current stories if you are not clever enough to include the name of the attorney who filed the case, i.e., Donofrio. For the latest on what Barack Obama has proffered as evidence of his Natural Born Citizenship (NBC) and what he has NOT provided to conclusively prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, and the status of lawsuits at the U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) to force him to prove it or withdraw, see this new website blog I put up a few weeks ago. Spread the word. Feel free to post my comments and blog site URL elsewhere and everywhere. :-)
http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org (http://www.obamacitizenshipfacts.org)
or
http://www.obamabirthcertificatefacts.org (http://www.obamabirthcertificatefacts.org)
and
http://americamustknow.com (http://americamustknow.com)
Mountain Publius Goat
Some have speculated that the reason he does not pruce it is because it also lists the childs' religion. Guess what it probably says. Ill give you a hint . . . it starts with "M"
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Some have speculated that the reason he does not pruce it is because it also lists the childs' religion. Guess what it probably says. Ill give you a hint . . . it starts with "M"
this i could see being a possibility
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she was then cleared of any wrong doing ethic or legal...240 doesnt seem to recognize that.
No she wasn't cleared of any wrongdoing.
Branchflower specifically found that “Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
That part of the act provides that “each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust.”
Branchflower also found that Palin improperly allowed her husband to use state resources to pressure Monegan.
“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation],” Branchflower wrote. He found she “knowingly … permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor’s office and the resources of the Governor’s office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14481_Page2.html
Does that look like she was cleared of any wrongdoing?
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No she wasn't cleared of any wrongdoing.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14481_Page2.html
Does that look like she was cleared of any wrongdoing?
Wow, Tony was pretty wrong on this one.
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No she wasn't cleared of any wrongdoing.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14481_Page2.html
Does that look like she was cleared of any wrongdoing?
OH MY FUKING GOODNESS that was the first report the second report cleared her of any and all wrong doings ethics and legally speaking...do some fuking research
your article printed 10/10
my article printed 11/4
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7707489.stm
"Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has been cleared by a new report of abuse of power in firing Alaska's top law enforcement official."
SO YES SHE WAS CLEARED OF ANY WRONG DOING 8)
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Wow, Tony was pretty wrong on this one.
crawl back into that little shit hole of yours boy unless your ready to admit youve been a grade A jackass and ignorant tool of the left.
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crawl back into that little shit hole of yours boy unless your ready to admit youve been a grade A jackass and ignorant tool of the left.
yee haw!
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OH MY FUKING GOODNESS that was the first report the second report cleared her of any and all wrong doings ethics and legally speaking...do some fuking research
your article printed 10/10
my article printed 11/4
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7707489.stm
"Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has been cleared by a new report of abuse of power in firing Alaska's top law enforcement official."
SO YES SHE WAS CLEARED OF ANY WRONG DOING 8)
Apparently the independent investigator from the first investigation was wrong when he concluded that Palin:
“The evidence supports the conclusion that Governor Palin, at the least, engaged in ‘official action’ by her inaction if not her active participation or assistance to her husband in attempting to get Trooper Wooten fired [and there is evidence of her active participation],” Branchflower wrote. He found she “knowingly … permitted Todd Palin to use the Governor’s office and the resources of the Governor’s office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired.”
“I conclude that such claims of fear were not bona fide and were offered to provide cover for Palin’s real motivation: to get Trooper Wooten fired for personal family-related reasons,” Branchflower wrote.
How can an independent investigator go from a slam dunk conclusion that an ethics violation to vindication on election night?
Let's take a look:
Mr. Petumenos said the legislative inquiry had determined that Ms. Palin violated the scope of state ethics laws by “inaction,” because she supposedly did not stop her staff and her husband from pressuring Mr. Monegan.
"(so she did in fact engage in the unethical behavior alleged...how could the second report clear her then...)
In the legislative report, the investigator, Stephen E. Branchflower, a former prosecutor in Anchorage, said Ms. Palin had herself applied pressure to get Trooper Wooten dismissed and also let her husband and subordinates press for his firing. The report concluded that she had violated the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/us/politics/04palin.html?_r=1
But Mr. Petumenos said the legislative inquiry had not met requirements for finding a violation because it did not cite violations under specific sections of the ethics code.
What? The independent investigator concluded that there was no violation by Palin b/c a specific statutory reference of her act/omission was not made?
Just what the hell was author of the first report looking at when he found a conclusion of ethical impropriety?
The first report was based on factual findings from an investigation run by the State Legislative Assembly. The second report was run by Alaska's personnel board...Palin herself filed an ethics complaint with Alaska's Personnel Board
She filed an ethics complaint against herself right before the presidential election? Why would she do that?
This 'exoneration' stinks to high heaven.
To recap:
1st investigation's conclusion (State Legislative Assembly investigation_: Palin violated the public trust, violated state ethics laws, and lied about it.
2nd investigation's conclusion (State Personnel Board): No problem here.
I'll believe the first report. The second one doesn't mean shit to me. It reeks of whitewash.
Gov. Sarah Palin wants a state board to review the circumstances surrounding the dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan -- taking the unusual step of making an ethics complaint against herself.http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/514163.html
Like I said, this second investigation is whitewash.
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Geez get over it already.
If someone threatened your father and tazered a 9 y/o you woudlnt' fire that person????????????
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brutal conspiracy theory.
the same repubs who were shitting on CTs for the last 8 years are suddenly creating gimmicks to share their new obama CTs. Pussies :)
Not a CT Rob, the cert is locked up in a safe. If he want's this to go away and clear himself all he has to do is produce the ORIGINAL document in person. You know damn well this is no CT.
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Geez get over it already.
If someone threatened your father and tazered a 9 y/o you woudlnt' fire that person????????????
well apparently there is something ethically wrong with that if your from the left ???
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well apparently there is something ethically wrong with that if your from the left ???
The left in this country is mentally deranged, just as Michael Savage has pointed out.
They are obsessed with this woman.
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Not a CT Rob, the cert is locked up in a safe. If he want's this to go away and clear himself all he has to do is produce the ORIGINAL document in person. You know damn well this is no CT.
supreme court dismissed it.
by definition - true or not - it is a conspiracy theory. It is one without backing by official source. To believe it, we'd have to accept the supreme court, the media, rush limbaugh (who hasn't touched it, although his guest host did), the DNC, Mccain (who had this info and didn't use it), and everyone else is "in on it".
So while it may be true or false, it's only a theory.
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Not a CT Rob, the cert is locked up in a safe. If he want's this to go away and clear himself all he has to do is produce the ORIGINAL document in person. You know damn well this is no CT.
That's not what the case was about. It was about whether a US born person with an immigrant father is considered 'natural born' under the constitution.
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The left in this country is mentally deranged, just as Michael Savage has pointed out.
They are obsessed with this woman.
That's b/c nobody outside of the rightwing cocoon can believe their fucking eyes when seemingly sane people throw their whole-hearted support behind an obvious under-educated birdbrain politician.
We saw what dull normal intelligence did to our country for the last 8 years. We don't need 4 more.
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That's b/c nobody outside of the rightwing cocoon can believe their fucking eyes when seemingly sane people throw their whole-hearted support behind an obvious under-educated birdbrain politician.
We saw what dull normal intelligence did to our country for the last 8 years. We don't need 4 more.
LOL bro you keep up the facade that obama is a different kind of politician i have a sneaking suspicion that we will all be disappointed at the end of 4 yrs.
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LOL bro you keep up the facade that obama is a different kind of politician i have a sneaking suspicion that we will all be disappointed at the end of 4 yrs.
I'm already disappointed with Obama. I don't care for his health plan and that's the major problem facing our country.
By the way, where did I mention Obama?
I thought I was referencing that dullard Palin.
You know, the chick that reads everything.
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That's b/c nobody outside of the rightwing cocoon can believe their fucking eyes when seemingly sane people throw their whole-hearted support behind an obvious under-educated birdbrain politician.
We saw what dull normal intelligence did to our country for the last 8 years. We don't need 4 more.
You said Palin is:
"under-educated "
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
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You said Palin is:
"under-educated "
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
To whom are you referring?
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To whom are you referring?
You calling Palin uneducated when you can't even get the word right.
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You calling Palin uneducated when you can't even get the word right.
She isn't uneducated. She has a degree in journalism. She is under-educated when compared to Obama or Clinton...or me.
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She isn't uneducated. She has a degree in journalism. She is under-educated when compared to Obama or Clinton...or me.
Who are you to judge? The constitution sets the criteria, not Decker.
Was Reagan educated enough?
Carter?
Truman the farmer?
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Who are you to judge? The constitution sets the criteria, not Decker.
Was Reagan educated enough?
Carter?
Truman the farmer?
It's a forum for debate. I can judge whomever I please. The constitution does not form my opinions, I do.
Reagan was a treasonous dolt who was really politically adroit. He was the great compromiser.
Reagan adopted many of Carter's policies and accelerated them.
Truman has a haberdasherer and school teacher...I don't think he was a farmer.
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It's a forum for debate. I can judge whomever I please. The constitution does not form my opinions, I do.
Reagan was a treasonous dolt who was really politically adroit. He was the great compromiser.
Reagan adopted many of Carter's policies and accelerated them.
Truman has a haberdasherer and school teacher...I don't think he was a farmer.
Just when I think you can any further to the left . . . .. you spout some new garbage.
Even Obama respects Reagan.
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Just when I think you can any further to the left . . . .. you spout some new garbage.
Even Obama respects Reagan.
Obama did that to rope in the suckers on the right into thinking he actually respected that traitor.
Tell me, who traded arms with Iran?
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That's not what the case was about. It was about whether a US born person with an immigrant father is considered 'natural born' under the constitution.
Of course he is... The criteria for Natural born means being born on US soil, as he was... That's pretty much all that's required.
He's a US citizen who was born in the US or one of its territories... He is more eligible than my mom was who while a US citizen was born abroad in Havana Cuba during the 50s before Castro was in power.
My mom was not born in the US or one of its territories.
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I'm already disappointed with Obama. I don't care for his health plan and that's the major problem facing our country.
By the way, where did I mention Obama?
I thought I was referencing that dullard Palin.
You know, the chick that reads everything.
you said
We saw what dull normal intelligence did to our country for the last 8 years. We don't need 4 more.
referencing obama man i know your pretty quick but you seem really off today decker you working to much not getting enough sleep?
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you said referencing obama man i know your pretty quick but you seem really off today decker you working to much not getting enough sleep?
I'm not following you.
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I'm not following you.
you said we dont need four more years of the same referrencing obama and that he would be a change
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This 'exoneration' stinks to high heaven.
To recap:
1st investigation's conclusion (State Legislative Assembly investigation_: Palin violated the public trust, violated state ethics laws, and lied about it.
2nd investigation's conclusion (State Personnel Board): No problem here.
I'll believe the first report. The second one doesn't mean shit to me. It reeks of whitewash.
Gov. Sarah Palin wants a state board to review the circumstances surrounding the dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan -- taking the unusual step of making an ethics complaint against herself.http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/514163.html
Like I said, this second investigation is whitewash.
whether it stinks to high heaven or not she was cleared
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you said we dont need four more years of the same referrencing obama and that he would be a change
Oh, you're making a funny.
I was referencing that Birdbrain Palin and the possibility of 4 more years in 2012.
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whether it stinks to high heaven or not she was cleared
Let me all ask you something:
If a trooper tazered your 9 y/o nephew and threatened to kill your father would you not also fire him????????
You liberal hacks are amazing.
BTW -when are you guys going to start focusing on the criminal RAT party in Illinois trying to sell Obama's seat??????
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Oh, you're making a funny.
I was referencing that Birdbrain Palin and the possibility of 4 more years in 2012.
That birdbrain has accomplished more in her life than you have. What does that make you - a "democRAT brain" ??????
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Oh, you're making a funny.
I was referencing that Birdbrain Palin and the possibility of 4 more years in 2012.
no i wasnt making a funny, intelligent or not what gives you the idea that obama is any different than any other politician out there? his record?, his experience? nothing but his words is the right answer...so to think that he is anything other than just a regular politician at this point is hoping on hope.
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That birdbrain has accomplished more in her life than you have.
How do you know? You don't. That's just another comment you pull from your ass to make your jaded far right point.
What does that make you - a "democRAT brain" ??????
Is this the type of shit that passes as stinging criticism on the right?
Are you 12 years old? democRAT...zing!
Maybe I'd better get Rainman in here to debate you. There's nothing like a debate btn peers.
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no i wasnt making a funny, intelligent or not what gives you the idea that obama is any different than any other politician out there? his record?, his experience? nothing but his words is the right answer...so to think that he is anything other than just a regular politician at this point is hoping on hope.
Unless a politcian was president of the US, that politician has no presidential experience. Obama had as much presidential experience as big Mac did....zero.
Obama, like all presidential candidates, ran on his platform.
His speeches and interviews portrayed him as a man of intellectual heft.
Too bad the same could not be said of Big Mac or that birdbrain he ran with.
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Unless a politcian was president of the US, that politician has no presidential experience. Obama had as much presidential experience as big Mac did....zero.
Obama, like all presidential candidates, ran on his platform.
His speeches and interviews portrayed him as a man of intellectual heft.
Too bad the same could not be said of Big Mac or that birdbrain he ran with.
when did i mention presidential expierence? Many politicians run on their past accomplishments and record of which obama has little...being a eloquent speaker doesnt mean your intelligent im not saying he isnt all im saying is that he has DONE NOTHING TO SEPERATE HIM FROM ANY OTHER POLITICIAN OUT THERE either in his experience in politics or his record in politics....and this you know is true.
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when did i mention presidential expierence? Many politicians run on their past accomplishments and record of which obama has little...being a eloquent speaker doesnt mean your intelligent im not saying he isnt all im saying is that he has DONE NOTHING TO SEPERATE HIM FROM ANY OTHER POLITICIAN OUT THERE either in his experience in politics or his record in politics....and this you know is true.
Obviously Obama has done something to separate himself from all other politicians b/c he is the president-elect of the United States of America.
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Lets see:
PTA President
City Council
Mayor
Governor
Business Owner
President of an Energy Commision
What have you done to top that other than post nonsensical marxist garbage on internet forums??????
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Lets see:
PTA President
City Council
Mayor
Governor
Business Owner
President of an Energy Commision
What have you done to top that other than post nonsensical marxist garbage on internet forums??????
I've proven you wrong multiple times on these boards. I've never lost a debate to you. I've stomped you like vine-ripened grapes repeatedly.
Surely all of that is worth something.
What business did she own?
How do any of those accomplishments of hers change the fact that she's a dim-witted, birdbrained moron dumber than even Bush?
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I've proven you wrong multiple times on these boards. I've never lost a debate to you. I've stomped you like vine-ripened grapes repeatedly.
Surely all of that is worth something.
What business did she own?
How do any of those accomplishments of hers change the fact that she's a dim-witted, birdbrained moron dumber than even Bush?
Case closed. You lost.
Palin has accomplished more then Decker.
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Case closed. You lost.
Palin has accomplished more then Decker.
Nice try. But you have done what the typical loser does. You changed the subject. We discussed the intellectual, or lack thereof, capacity of Palin and you change the discussion to accomplishments.
You can't even maintain a train of thought for more than few seconds. That or you're just horribly disingenuous with your arguments.
I'll put my JD and LLM up against Gov. Birdbrain's journalism degree any day of the week.
Since we're being all folksy here, what are your credentials?
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Nice try. But you have done what the typical loser does. You changed the subject. We discussed the intellectual, or lack thereof, capacity of Palin and you change the discussion to accomplishments.
You can't even maintain a train of thought for more than few seconds. That or you're just horribly disingenuous with your arguments.
I'll put my JD and LLM up against Gov. Birdbrain's journalism degree any day of the week.
Since we're being all folksy here, what are your credentials?
B.A. J.D.
LLM seems like a waste of money to me.
I have my own law practice in NYC and a commercial collection agency as well.
E tu Decker?
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Obviously Obama has done something to separate himself from all other politicians b/c he is the president-elect of the United States of America.
yes he speaks with a silver tongue, thats exactly what I look for in a politician.
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yes he speaks with a silver tongue, thats exactly what I look for in a politician.
No different than the slime ball at the bar who knows just what to say to get a fat drunk slob into bed.
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How much does a full page ad in the Tribune cost? A fool and his money are soon parted. ::)
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B.A. J.D.
LLM seems like a waste of money to me.
I have my own law practice in NYC and a commercial collection agency as well.
E tu Decker?
It seems like a waste of money to you b/c you are obliged to say something derogatory yet totally vacant of facts. You don't even know what the LLM is in yet you pass your judgment on the matter in the negative.
This is an ongoing problem with you. Unsupported prejudiced conclusions do not impress me.
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It seems like a waste of money to you b/c you are obliged to say something derogatory yet totally vacant of facts. You don't even know what the LLM is in yet you pass your judgment on the matter in the negative.
This is an ongoing problem with you. Unsupported prejudiced conclusions do not impress me.
Unless you have an LLM in tax law, its a waste of money.
Most people I knew who went for an LLM were not ready to enter the job market and just spent another year in school.
Tax is the only area where an LLM is worth it.
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Unless you have an LLM in tax law, its a waste of money.
Most people I knew who went for an LLM were not ready to enter the job market and just spent another year in school.
Tax is the only area where an LLM is worth it.
Bingo!
I don't view any education as a waste of money...unless of course we are discussing education from the Heritage Foundation. That grand old lady of rightwing bullshit offers the chance for self-absorbed rich kids to expand their conservative understanding of the world through internships.
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Bingo!
I don't view any education as a waste of money...unless of course we are discussing education from the Heritage Foundation. That grand old lady of rightwing bullshit offers the chance for self-absorbed rich kids to expand their conservative understanding of the world through internships.
Huh?????????
I come from a lower middle class family in the Bronx NY. I have no idea what the heck you are talking about. My point was that people taking on an additional 30 - 50 k in debt for an llm will rarely get a return on that money unless they pusue tax law.