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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: delta9mda on December 09, 2008, 10:07:56 AM
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does not look shopped. talk your shit now.
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can the computer guys here tell/ show us the shop job on this if it exists? i dont see it.
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not morphed - trust me ;) maybe a little touch up- just for clean up on the BB.com image but not morphed
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not shopped - trust me ;)
i dont think it is. Kev H would not resort to that kind of shit and i dont think Yates would either.
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Yup, it's not shopped Delta. That pic is an offseason pic and you can see it's similar to the ones below. Dorian is still the man!
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:o Ronnie who?? ;D
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Awesome pics! :o
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This is one of the best shots of Doz i have seen, he looks incredible!
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looks good here too
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now im a huge dorian fan, he sure takes the gayness out of modern day bodybuilding. But this unseen picture of yates was taken in 95, wasn't that past dorians prime? Pause that 93 video at 47 seconds, thats how dorian's waist, to me, seemed to have looked, not like it is in that 95 picture. And didnt he weigh less in the 93 video than the 95 picture? 283 lbs and dry as everything in that picture, why did he lose so much weight before the Olympia? Wasnt it 20 or so pounds? Did he not think he could win in the condition that the photo shows him in. If not, maybe that photo isn't an accurate depiction of how he truely was. Did he lose the weight on accident? If thats the case, his "systematic" approach to a contest didn't work.
But what do I know, maybe he was just good at hiding his waist in that shot, much like Arnold did in a lot of his poses.
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Morph-Free video.
Wow - nice to see vintage Yates at his best
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now im a huge dorian fan, he sure takes the gayness out of modern day bodybuilding. But this unseen picture of yates was taken in 95, wasn't that past dorians prime? Pause that 93 video at 47 seconds, thats how dorian's waist, to me, seemed to have looked, not like it is in that 95 picture. And didnt he weigh less in the 93 video than the 95 picture? 283 lbs and dry as everything in that picture, why did he lose so much weight before the Olympia? Wasnt it 20 or so pounds? Did he not think he could win in the condition that the photo shows him in. If not, maybe that photo isn't an accurate depiction of how he truely was. Did he lose the weight on accident? If thats the case, his "systematic" approach to a contest didn't work.
But what do I know, maybe he was just good at hiding his waist in that shot, much like Arnold did in a lot of his poses.
his prime was 95. much better condition and at about the same weight.
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When he turns round on 58 secs,just look at how wide his right calf is when he tenses.
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Wow - nice to see vintage Yates at his best
his chest looked small in the photo session compared to the rest of him
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Dorian guest posing at the 94 British Champs,two weeks after the Olympia.His legs were enormous here.
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Brilliant pictures all the way there. 8)
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(http://es.fitness.com/forum/attachments/general/7708d1215868364-que-frase-es-la-que-mas-os-molesta-dorian-yates.jpg)
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(http://es.fitness.com/forum/attachments/general/7708d1215868364-que-frase-es-la-que-mas-os-molesta-dorian-yates.jpg)
do not post the shopped pic of Yates. thank you.
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looks good here too
weak ass quads :D
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Which one is shopped ;D
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Same background, same trunks, same shoot?
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Same background, same trunks, same shoot?
Nope that's 1994 I scanned those pics
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does not look shopped. talk your shit now.
Hey Delta where did you get this one from?
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Nope that's 1994 I scanned those pics
I had a feeling those shots were from 1994 but it's weird how the pattern on the background is in exactly the same position as in the unseen shot. Two separate photo shoots a year apart and he's standing in the exact same position.
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I had a feeling those shots were from 1994 but it's weird how the pattern on the background is in exactly the same position as in the unseen shot. Two separate photo shoots a year apart and he's standing in the exact same position.
the hair's longer in 94
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i have changed my opinion
:)
Dorian 93/94 > Ronnie 98/99
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the hair's longer in 94
I see that. It must be coincidence that he stood in the same spot the following year. Anyway, the new shot is possibly the best photo in the history of bodybuilding. It's certainly caused some upset among the nut-huggers. :)
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I see that. It must be coincidence that he stood in the same spot the following year. Anyway, the new shot is possibly the best photo in the history of bodybuilding. It's certainly caused some upset among the nut-huggers. :)
He's 283 pounds in the new pic and destroys anything Colman ever shown , these guys are going cray in every thread lol
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He's 283 pounds in the new pic and destroys anything Colman ever shown , these guys are going cray in every thread lol
Let's hope we eventually get to see the rest of the shoot. There could be more upset on the way for the nut-huggers at Christmas. LOL
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Let's hope we eventually get to see the rest of the shoot. There could be more upset on the way for the nut-huggers at Christmas. LOL
That's one picture and Paris is burning lmao imagine a whole series? :o
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Morph-Free video.
Dorian had a powerful physique! :o
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i have changed my opinion
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Dorian 93/94 > Ronnie 98/99
smart man !!
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does not look shopped. talk your shit now.
just saying. ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates101.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates101abccc.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/DorianYates101edited3.jpg)
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I was training at Golds Venice when Yates was just coming up from the ranks - I recall thinking about his physique as being un-worldly at the time. These pics bring back good memories, when BB was hardcore minus all of the flash in todays scene. IMHO
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I was training at Golds Venice when Yates was just coming up from the ranks - I recall thinking about his physique as being un-worldly at the time. These pics bring back good memories, when BB was hardcore minus all of the flash in todays scene. IMHO
Back in the day when i trained with Yates in the dungeon, he use to hit lat spread shots that were unreal, those were the days ::)
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LOL check out the obvious difference in quad sweep/waistline
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nice editing job.. :-\
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LOL check out the obvious difference in quad sweep/waistline
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nice editing job.. :-\
fail
pics are TWO different years dumbass
top 1994
bottom 1995
more brutal self-ownage by dum-dum the internet-fan-boy
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fail
pics are TWO different years dumbass
top 1994
bottom 1995
more brutal self-ownage by dum-dum the internet-fan-boy
sure they are.. ::)
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They're from the same shoot
Same hair
Same trunks
Exactly the same position on teh background
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They're from the same shoot
Same hair
Same trunks
Exactly the same position on teh background
of course they are.
its an obvious shop job and the dorian nuthuggers are now on damage control...as they always seem to be....
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Impressive absence of upper arm and upper body detail. Trunk-like obliques.
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You know, it is getting to the point where I am starting to feel pity for Nasty Diet. He has not won one single argument and is now so owned by Hulkster/Pumpster/The Legendary Squadfather/ Bigbobs/ CamelJockey that he would have to lease himself from these guys to ever have any future ownership of himself . ahahahaaahahha ;D
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They're from the same shoot
Same hair
Same trunks
Exactly the same position on teh background
Would you like me to crush you even further? I scanned that front double biceps shot from 1994 and the Horton pic is from 1995
same trunks mean zero , same backround again means zero and the hair is not the same FYI
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You know, it is getting to the point where I am starting to feel pity for Nasty Diet. He has not won one single argument and is now so owned by Hulkster/Pumpster/The Legendary Squadfather/ Bigbobs/ CamelJockey that he would have to lease himself from these guys to ever have any future ownership of himself . ahahahaaahahha ;D
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well said.
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Impressive absence of upper arm and upper body detail. Trunk-like waist.
well to be fair his waist looks better there than it does most the other time
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Would you like me to crush you even further? I scanned that front double biceps shot from 1994 and the Horton pic is from 1995
same trunks mean zero , same backround again means zero and the hair is not the same FYI
hair is the same
Trunks the same
background the same
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hair is the same
Trunks the same
background the same
hair is NOT the same in the FDB he has more hair on the sides in the 1995 pic his hair is faded on the sides nice try though
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hair is NOT the same in the FDB he has more hair on the sides in the 1995 pic his hair is faded on the sides nice try though
same hair
stop seeing things
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actually i think you're wrong ND. That's the same shoot, why does it matter anyways. so he had a torn bic big deal still looks great.
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same hair
stop seeing things
::) irony alert
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actually i think you're wrong ND. That's the same shoot, why does it matter anyways. so he had a torn bic big deal still looks great.
it matters to ND because if he admits its the same shoot that means that the new pic was clearly morphed - look at the quads..
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Wait same setting , same trunks same hair must be the same shoot ::)
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Wait same setting , same trunks same hair must be the same shoot ::)
lol same trunks? ??? ::)
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god damn, this is fucking incredible. You could not sculpt a better front lat spread than this. Not a single flaw.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251648.0;attach=292256;image)
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England just came.
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They're from the same shoot
Same hair
Same trunks
Exactly the same position on teh background
Kevin Horton recently presented us at bodybuilding.com with a previously unseen picture of you taken by him in 1995. How would you describe 1995 from a competitive standpoint?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
two different years . I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it ;)
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I donīt believe itīs photoshopped.
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it matters to ND because if he admits its the same shoot that means that the new pic was clearly morphed - look at the quads..
Kevin Horton recently presented us at bodybuilding.com with a previously unseen picture of you taken by him in 1995. How would you describe 1995 from a competitive standpoint?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
two different years . I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it
owned yet again
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I donīt believe itīs photoshopped.
smart man !
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Dorian is the best ever!
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Dorian is the best ever!
spoken like a true levrone fan.. 8)
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Dorian is the best ever!
Smart man !
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Yes I was sent this photo and it looks like I'm backstage at a contest; maybe I did a guest posing somewhere. '95 was a very good year. Obviously I had the bicep injury from the year before but the conditioning at the '95 Olympia was probably superior to '93.
Taken from the same interview.
Are you saying dorian was backstage at the same contest two years in a row, happened to be wearing the same trunks and standing in exactly the same spot?
Sounds like he doesnt even know where or WHEN the picture was taken
I'll accept your apology when you're ready to give it.
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Yes I was sent this photo and it looks like I'm backstage at a contest; maybe I did a guest posing somewhere. '95 was a very good year. Obviously I had the bicep injury from the year before but the conditioning at the '95 Olympia was probably superior to '93.
Taken from the same interview.
Are you saying dorian was backstage at the same contest two years in a row, happened to be wearing the same trunks and standing in exactly the same spot?
Sounds like he doesnt even know where or WHEN the picture was taken
I'll accept your apology when you're ready to give it.
Dorian is wrong about when the shots were taken. They were shot in his gym. I have 100's of unseen shots of him.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251407.50
Kevin Horton recently presented us at bodybuilding.com with a previously unseen picture of you taken by him in 1995. How would you describe 1995 from a competitive standpoint?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
Thanks for playing sculpture is dead wrong again , still waiting ;)
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The below excerpt is taken from this interview from 5 Days Of Dorian:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
[ Q ] Kevin Horton recently presented us at bodybuilding.com with a previously unseen picture of you taken by him in 1995. How would you describe 1995 from a competitive standpoint?
[ Dorian ] Yes I was sent this photo and it looks like I'm backstage at a contest; maybe I did a guest posing somewhere. '95 was a very good year. Obviously I had the bicep injury from the year before but the conditioning at the '95 Olympia was probably superior to '93.
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When is the last time you saw a bodybuilder backstage at a contest posing in his underwear as opposed to posing trunks? These details only serve to further lose credibility regarding the obviously morphed photo.
Dorian is wrong about when the shots were taken. They were shot in his gym. I have 100's of unseen shots of him.
original pic of yates - does not look shopped. talk your shit now.
(http://)
Yep, that looks like Temple Gym to me.
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Dorian is wrong about when the shots were taken. They were shot in his gym. I have 100's of unseen shots of him.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=251407.50
Kevin Horton recently presented us at bodybuilding.com with a previously unseen picture of you taken by him in 1995. How would you describe 1995 from a competitive standpoint?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/dorian_yates_interview_1993_gym_shots.htm
Thanks for playing sculpture is dead wrong again , still waiting ;)
So dorian is wrong about where that picture was taken?
You can't seriously believe this, even you?
Are you saying dorian can't tell the difference between HIS gym and the backstage of some contest.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Yes I was sent this photo and it looks like I'm backstage at a contest; maybe I did a guest posing somewhere. '95 was a very good year. Obviously I had the bicep injury from the year before but the conditioning at the '95 Olympia was probably superior to '93.
I'm sorry dorian you're wrong.
Can't you see, these pics were taken at your gym. ;D
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oh the irony of ND, a man who takes everything Ronnie Coleman says as 100% truth, is now claiming his own hero dorian yates is wrong..
just because it suits his agenda...
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Wait same setting , same trunks same hair must be the same shoot ::)
aren't those trunks different
One has a dark band on the top
The other doesn't
Same trunks?
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Epic meltdown is eminent ....
what the hell were we talking about?
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You guys are ridiculous. Dorian never did a guest posing in his briefs. This is likely taken at Temple with the background and lighting set up by Kevin Horton. He can confirm or deny this. But most of all, you all are bickering over nothing; look at Dorian's physique, who cares where the picture was taken. BEST EVER.
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You guys are ridiculous. Dorian never did a guest posing in his briefs. This is likely taken at Temple with the background and lighting set up by Kevin Horton. He can confirm or deny this. But most of all, you all are bickering over nothing; look at Dorian's physique, who cares where the picture was taken. BEST EVER.
Right, back on track > Dorian's physique.
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Funny the music in the background is "Living in Sin" by Bon Jovi....ha ha...living in sin..thol ;)
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spoken like a true levrone fan.. 8)
What can I say?
I prefer Levrone's physique. But Dorian was a better overal BBer, including over Coleman in my OPINION.
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Perfection.
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Perfection.
agree ;)
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So dorian is wrong about where that picture was taken?
You can't seriously believe this, even you?
Are you saying dorian can't tell the difference between HIS gym and the backstage of some contest.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Did you ever think that Dorian didn't see the pic before it was posted? that ever cross your mind?
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Perfection.
It doesn't get any better!!!
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oh the irony of ND, a man who takes everything Ronnie Coleman says as 100% truth, is now claiming his own hero dorian yates is wrong..
just because it suits his agenda...
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I never said I believe everything Coleman says I don't agree with a lot of what he says , just the part where he says Dorian would beat him ;)
I didn't claim Dorian was wrong Kevin Horton did ;) it ever cross your mind Dorian never seen the pic that pic until it was posted? obviously he's mistaken if he says he's guestposing or backstage
owned
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oh the irony of ND, a man who takes everything Ronnie Coleman says as 100% truth, is now claiming his own hero dorian yates is wrong..
just because it suits his agenda...
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You can bet that if Ronnie claimed that from 1998 forward that he would have destroyed Dorian, that you would treat it like the gospel. However, since Ronnie was very forthright in admitting that he couldn't beat Yates, you don't like it and choose to disregard the statement.
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You can bet that if Ronnie claimed that from 1998 forward that he would have destroyed Dorian, that you would treat it like the gospel. However, since Ronnie was very forthright in admitting that he couldn't beat Yates, you don't like it and choose to disregard the statement.
Exactly if Ronnie said it he'd be brilliant , honest , accurate lol they can't rely on that so it's useless ::)
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Did you ever think that Dorian didn't see the pic before it was posted? that ever cross your mind?
haha
you're reaching now
no it never crossed my mind
Why would it?
So now dorian is just referring to any old picture and making up things
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Yates>Coleman
Dorian is too complete.
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Yates>Coleman
Dorian is too complete.
so is danny padilla.
whats your point?
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so is danny padilla.
whats your point?
Padilla was never 283lbs ripped to shreds ;)
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If that pic is not shopped, and I'm no expert, it's fuckin' unbelievable. At one point, if just for a short time, Dorian was maybe the most complete Bber ever.
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LOL check out the obvious difference in quad sweep/waistline
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nice editing job.. :-\
will you fuck off....seriously.....get lost for just one thread...
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Padilla was never 283lbs ripped to shreds ;)
solid
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Padilla kicking Yates' ass.
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It's remarkable that in each shot of the keg there's virtually NO UPPER BODY DETAIL LOL
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He does look great in that pic, now maybe I'm being a negative twat but can you honestly say his quads ever looked that full on stage? Lats look amazing.
Looks a bit like Jay Cutler from 4 years ago too. Good pic. Probably manipulated slightly like most of the pics in MD are too, like that famous Ronnie cover.
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Looks a bit like Jay Cutler from 4 years ago too. Good pic. Probably manipulated slightly like most of the pics in MD are too, like that famous Ronnie cover.
Jay Cutler LOL
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It's remarkable that in each shot of the keg there's virtually NO UPPER BODY DETAIL LOL
If Dorian were in fact as unimpressive as you allege, one would think it would be more than evident and your constant input wouldn't be warranted. As a Coleman fan, you are made to feel insecure by assertions of Dorian being superior, which has been compounded by the release of the new Dorian photo. Your motives are transparent as always, as you seek to devalue the impact of the new photo. Your continued remarks against Dorian only serve to reinforce his impact on the sport and insecurity that his dominance breeds within fans of other competitors. So keep up the good work. Every negative utterance only testifies to Dorian's greatness and dominance.
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Padilla kicking Yates' ass.
Where did Padilla finish in that contest? Yeah, behind Yates ;)
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Where did Padilla finish in that contest? Yeah, behind Yates ;)
who looked better?
Oh yeah, Padilla.
Obviously you're the type that doesnt disagree with placings and if someone wins they must be the best.
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haha
you're reaching now
no it never crossed my mind
Why would it?
So now dorian is just referring to any old picture and making up things
Am I reaching? he obviously didn't know what he was talking about because the photo is neither backstage or guesposing , so again you're wrong and you still owe me an apology ;)
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who looked better?
Oh yeah, Padilla.
Obviously you're the type that doesnt disagree with placings and if someone wins they must be the best.
Padilla looked the best to YOU doesn't man he was either , not according to how contests are judged . the judging criteria is ONLY correct when you agree with it or when the guy you think looks better wins , great logic.
The more important question is who met the judging criteria better?
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so is danny padilla.
whats your point?
Danny is very complete , has excellent balance & proportion however he doesn't have the muscular bulk and density & dryness as Dorian there fore he couldn't beat him
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If Dorian were in fact as unimpressive as you allege, one would think it would be more than evident and your constant input wouldn't be warranted. As a Coleman fan, you are made to feel insecure by assertions of Dorian being superior, which has been compounded by the release of the new Dorian photo. Your motives are transparent as always, as you seek to devalue the impact of the new photo. Your continued remarks against Dorian only serve to reinforce his impact on the sport and insecurity that his dominance breeds within fans of other competitors. So keep up the good work. Every negative utterance only testifies to Dorian's greatness and dominance.
Great post ! pumpster is a textbook troll , he's not interested in debating the topic he's interested in trolling , he serves no purpose than to defame , when someone calls him on his ways he tries to defame them as well .
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who looked better?
Oh yeah, Padilla.
Obviously you're the type that doesnt disagree with placings and if someone wins they must be the best.
Generally, the competitor who is awarded the title, in doing so, is deemed to be the best. You act as if this is an alien concept.
Anyone can arbitrarily throw out names of those bodybuilders they favor without providing a basis for that opinion. Whether you agree with, or even comprehend IFBB judging guidelines, that is the basis by which contests are determined. The champion is the competitor who best meets this criteria. Not some capricious and baseless, "I just think he looks better", mentality. If that were the preferred method of judging, the subjectivity of the sport would be exponentially greater than what it already is.
I find it extremely ironic, that in several instances where it is pointed out that an injustice occurred in someone not defeating Yates, it often involves a bodybuilder who failed to defeat most anyone else. I greatly admire Danny Padilla's physique, but his defeating Dorian was not within the realm of possibility.
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who looked better?
Oh yeah, Padilla.
Obviously you're the type that doesnt disagree with placings and if someone wins they must be the best.
Oh really? I think Mike Arvilla would argue with you on that, especially since he was there and said Yates should have won ;)
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Oh really? I think Mike Arvilla would argue with you on that, especially since he was there and said Yates should have won ;)
Well if mike says so i guess he must be right
Ignore mike for a second (if you can) and try and come up with your own opinion.
Moron
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Generally, the competitor who is awarded the title, in doing so, is deemed to be the best. You act as if this is an alien concept.
Anyone can arbitrarily throw out names of those bodybuilders they favor without providing a basis for that opinion. Whether you agree with, or even comprehend IFBB judging guidelines, that is the basis by which contests are determined. The champion is the competitor who best meets this criteria. Not some capricious and baseless, "I just think he looks better", mentality. If that were the preferred method of judging, the subjectivity of the sport would be exponentially greater than what it already is.
I find it extremely ironic, that in several instances where it is pointed out that an injustice occurred in someone not defeating Yates, it often involves a bodybuilder who failed to defeat most anyone else. I greatly admire Danny Padilla's physique, but his defeating Dorian was not within the realm of possibility.
Being completely applicable of course to say mr olympia 1981?
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Padilla looked the best to YOU doesn't man he was either , not according to how contests are judged . the judging criteria is ONLY correct when you agree with it or when the guy you think looks better wins , great logic.
The more important question is who met the judging criteria better?
ND you are truly a sad man. Defending judging criteria when it suits you, ie, in dorians victories.
This same criteria allowed the bane of your existence, ronnie, win the most ifbb titles in history.
Does padilla not look better to YOU?
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Well if mike says so i guess he must be right
Ignore mike for a second (if you can) and try and come up with your own opinion.
Moron
A solitary photo from a contest is the sole basis for your theory as to who should have won, but the impression of a person who attended the actual contest is to be given no credence at all? Your only rebuttal is to call a person a moron? That is the online equivalent of stomping your feet because an alternate opinion is expressed, and you lack the capacity to intelligently defend yours.
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ND you are truly a sad man. Defending judging criteria when it suits you, ie, in dorians victories.
This same criteria allowed the bane of your existence, ronnie, win the most ifbb titles in history.
Does padilla not look better to YOU?
Padilla had a lackluster physique. When anyone stood next to Dorian they disappeared. Padilla was also a midget.
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A solitary photo from a contest is the sole basis for your theory as to who should have won, but the impression of a person who attended the actual contest is to be given no credence at all? Your only rebuttal is to call a person a moron? That is the online equivalent of stomping your feet because an alternate opinion is expressed, and you lack the capacity to intelligently defend yours.
Actually its not. I ve seen countless other photos from the contest. Missed that one didn't you, before you lept into another "1derfully" written but misguided response.
And yes i'm calling him a moron and asking him to come up with his own opinion.
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Generally, the competitor who is awarded the title, in doing so, is deemed to be the best. You act as if this is an alien concept.
Terrible sentence structure coupled with extreme naivete re: IFBB politics and inordinate (blind) faith in contest "placings". Even your befuddled hero ND can't explain Columbu over Padilla in '81 using judging critiera. ;D
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Actually its not. I ve seen countless other photos from the contest. Missed that one didn't you, before you lept into another "1derfully" written but misguided response.
And yes i'm calling him a moron and asking him to come up with his own opinion.
But you provided but "one" photo as the lone basis for your opinion. By your way of thinking, we should just assume that other such photos exist and that they automatically reinforce your argument. ::) To you, that actually makes sense, I guess. ???
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Terrible sentence structure coupled with extreme naivete re: IFBB politics and inordinate (blind) faith in contest "placings". Even your befuddled hero ND can't explain Columbu over Padilla in '81 using judging critiera. ;D
In failing to discredit Dorian's victories, you have now traveled back in time to 1981 to try better make your case? LMFAO
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But you provided but "one" photo as the lone basis for your opinion. By your way of thinking, we should just assume that other such photos exist and that they automatically reinforce your argument. ::) Amazingly, I actually think you truly believe that makes sense.
I didn't "provide" anything. I merely spoke in reference to.
Your continuing assumptions are astounding.
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In failing to discredit Dorian's victories, you have now traveled back in time to 1981 to try better make your case? LMFAO
No he's simply challenging your "criteria" argument and winning.
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I didn't "provide" anything. I merely spoke in reference to.
Your continuing assumptions are astounding.
Split hairs if you wish, it refutes nothing I have said.
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Split hairs if you wish, it refutes nothing I have said.
Yes it does.
You accused me of using one photo to base my opinions on who should have won that contest, never once considering i'd actually seen heaps more from the same contest.
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No he's simply challenging your "criteria" argument and winning.
I have yet to receive word of any of Dorian's Sandow trophies having been redistributed to any other bodybuilders. He remains a six time champion with an 88% professional winning percentage. I fail to see how you, or any of the other partisans have won anything.
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I have yet to receive word of any of Dorian's Sandow trophies having been redistributed to any other bodybuilders. He remains a six time champion with an 88% professional winning percentage. I fail to see how you, or any of the other partisans have won anything.
Its a shame they haven't because dorian would be left with 2 perhaps 3 at best and this board wouldn't have to suffer the indignity of your presence.
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Yes it does.
You accused me of using one photo to base my opinions on who should have won that contest, never once considering i'd actually seen heaps more from the same contest.
Anyone can have an opinion and is perfectly entitled to one. However, if you venture to convince others and reinforce your position, imaginary photographic evidence is hardly substantive. Yet, you summarily dismiss the position of an individual that attended the contest. You are a hypocrite, who wants everyone to agree with his line of thinking, but is totally inept at providing a sound basis for a position. Instead, you opt for ad hominem attacks; a testimony to your partisan nature.
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Anyone can have an opinion and is perfectly entitled to one. However, if you venture to convince others and reinforce your position, imaginary photographic evidence is hardly substantive. Yet, you summarily dismiss the position of an individual that attended the contest. You are a hypocrite, who wants everyone to agree with his line of thinking, but is totally inept at providing a sound basis for a position. Instead, you opt for ad hominem attacks; a testimony to your partisan nature.
No i didn't.
I asked the original poster for HIS opinion not Mikes.
Which i'm still waiting for.
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No i didn't.
I asked the original poster for HIS opinion not Mikes.
Which i'm still waiting for.
There isn't enough evidence out there to make a decision either way. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 pictures from that contest posted here. I've always used the opinion of those that attended a show as support for my decision. That first person perspective holds far more credence than anyone sitting at home looking at pictures. If you have the pictures and/or video, post it. Dorian's back wasn't up to Momo's which is why he was defeated. I'm awaiting your explanation as to why Padilla lost to Momo as well. The fact of the matter is that Padilla lacked thickness and simply, as all other small/short BBs, lacked any sense of impressiveness standing next to a Dorian type BB.
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Yes it does.
You accused me of using one photo to base my opinions on who should have won that contest, never once considering i'd actually seen heaps more from the same contest.
Stop it, hammering common sense in to this little twit at every turn's hilarious LOL
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There isn't enough evidence out there to make a decision either way. I've seen maybe 2 or 3 pictures from that contest posted here. I've always used the opinion of those that attended a show as support for my decision. That first person perspective holds far more credence than anyone sitting at home looking at pictures. If you have the pictures and/or video, post it. Dorian's back wasn't up to Momo's which is why he was defeated. I'm awaiting your explanation as to why Padilla lost to Momo as well. The fact of the matter is that Padilla lacked thickness and simply, as all other small/short BBs, lacked any sense of impressiveness standing next to a Dorian type BB.
Bottom line the existing evidence has the keg getting squarely pounded despite suspect contest "decisions" that some naifs actually believe in.
Serge Nubret, who would know better than anyone else about politics, says same here on getbig-Weider's always had his favored and protected guys. Yates was one of em, both against these guys and later in the Olympia.
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ND you are truly a sad man. Defending judging criteria when it suits you, ie, in dorians victories.
This same criteria allowed the bane of your existence, ronnie, win the most ifbb titles in history.
Does padilla not look better to YOU?
You're insinuating I'm only in favor of the criteria when it suits me and when do I not favor the criteria? and Ronnie isn't ' the bane of my existence ' that's your interpretation you want him to be the bane of my existence
and does Padilla look better to me? in what context? how contests or judged or from a personal perspective? I would rather look like Danny than Dorian but according to how contests are judged Dorian beats Danny with ease
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You're insinuating I'm only in favor of the criteria when it suits me and when do I not favor the criteria? and Ronnie isn't ' the bane of my existence ' that's your interpretation you want him to be the bane of my existence
and does Padilla look better to me? in what context? how contests or judged or from a personal perspective? I would rather look like Danny than Dorian but according to how contests are judged Dorian beats Danny with ease
THIS TOOL HAS A LENGTHY THREAD ON IRON AGE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW COLUMBU COULD'VE BEATEN PADILLA IN A "FAIR" SHOW USING HIS GREAT JUDGING CRITERIA HAHAHAAHAHA
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(http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2006/01/17/334086/fatpigpic.jpg)
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A solitary photo from a contest is the sole basis for your theory as to who should have won, but the impression of a person who attended the actual contest is to be given no credence at all? Your only rebuttal is to call a person a moron? That is the online equivalent of stomping your feet because an alternate opinion is expressed, and you lack the capacity to intelligently defend yours.
Great post very true , one picture doesn't win a contest , one pose doesn't either , basing whole opinions on a single moment of a contest is asinine and ignorant
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THIS TOOL HAS A LENGTHY THREAD ON IRON AGE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW COLUMBU COULD'VE BEATEN PADILLA IN A "FAIR" SHOW USING HIS GREAT JUDGING CRITERIA HAHAHAAHAHA
I've always told you I wasn't there and neither were you. I've said it's to hard to base an entire opinion on a couple of old pictures and it's not accurate in some pictures Danny looks so much better but again this is a momentary glimpse into a whole contest and again you have this default position it's politics ONLY when Dorian wins but not Ronnie , how you can claim Dorian won to politics and yet claim in the same sentence Ronnie was not is purely hypocritical you can't have it both ways
either all contests are fixed or none are
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does not look shopped. talk your shit now.
Ronnie was bigger, more muscular, more vascular, had fuller muscle bellies, had better muscle detail, had way better separation in the muscles ie split in the biceps, glutes, hams etc, and he had harder and dryer looking muscles then Yates. Yates was great one of the best, but come 1998 Ronnie took it to another level which has yet to be matched, then Ronnie took it to even another level in 2003. Heath is starting to get there, but has a good 3-4 years before hes in Ronnie's league
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Bottom line the existing evidence has the keg getting squarely pounded despite suspect contest "decisions" that some naifs actually believe in.
Serge Nubret, who would know better than anyone else about politics, says same here on getbig-Weider's always had his favored and protected guys. Yates was one of em, both against these guys and later in the Olympia.
Momo defeated Dorian in this contest. I don't agree with that though - he is clearly smoking Momo here. Dorian is far more massive with better condition. If anything, Yates was discriminated against in this contest!
Regarding Nubret, he is not a reliable source. Arnold would say quite to the contrary that politics were involved ;) Nubret is desperate for attention and needs to make things up to justify his placings.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251648.0;attach=292470;image)
BTW, here's another shot of Yates' back (best ever) destroying Coleman's baked potato back
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/totw_40_blap_fbig.jpg)
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You're insinuating I'm only in favor of the criteria when it suits me and when do I not favor the criteria? and Ronnie isn't ' the bane of my existence ' that's your interpretation you want him to be the bane of my existence
and does Padilla look better to me? in what context? how contests or judged or from a personal perspective? I would rather look like Danny than Dorian but according to how contests are judged Dorian beats Danny with ease
As usual avoiding the question.
Who looks better to YOU?
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THIS TOOL HAS A LENGTHY THREAD ON IRON AGE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW COLUMBU COULD'VE BEATEN PADILLA IN A "FAIR" SHOW USING HIS GREAT JUDGING CRITERIA HAHAHAAHAHA
Please tell me this isn't true.
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As usual avoiding the question.
Who looks better to YOU?
I didn't avoid the question , in fact I asked you under what context
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Momo defeated Dorian in this contest. I don't agree with that though - he is clearly smoking Momo here. Dorian is far more massive with better condition. If anything, Yates was discriminated against in this contest!
Regarding Nubret, he is not a reliable source. Arnold would say quite to the contrary that politics were involved ;) Nubret is desperate for attention and needs to make things up to justify his placings.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=251648.0;attach=292470;image)
BTW, here's another shot of Yates' back (best ever) destroying Coleman's baked potato back
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/totw_40_blap_fbig.jpg)
this pic of yates and momo is from the olympia, yates won. it is not the night of champs show. remember anyone that beat yates either died or retired.
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Ronnie was bigger, more muscular, more vascular, had fuller muscle bellies, had better muscle detail, had way better separation in the muscles ie split in the biceps, glutes, hams etc, and he had harder and dryer looking muscles then Yates. Yates was great one of the best, but come 1998 Ronnie took it to another level which has yet to be matched, then Ronnie took it to even another level in 2003. Heath is starting to get there, but has a good 3-4 years before hes in Ronnie's league
If the 1998 version of Ronnie Coleman took things to another level, then why did he narrowly defeat a less than best Flex Wheeler?
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If the 1998 version of Ronnie Coleman took things to another level, then why did he narrowly defeat a less than best Flex Wheeler?
Right a guy who Dorian dominated in 1993 his best year on record
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It never ceases to amaze me how stupid, generic and biased Coleman fans are when trying to explain why Coleman is better than Yates. Here are a few examples:
"Ronnie has better shape and detail from the front and he his lats are more cobra shaped from the back as well as he has more detailed calves."(Hulkster)
"Ronnie has a better X-frame, his back is more 3-D and he has greater muscle maturity."(PraetorFenix)
"Coleman had more mass at the 2001 ASC than he did at the 99' Olympia and Dorian 95'. Dorian's weight advantage over Ronnie was all due to his gut and bigger bones."(NeoSeminole)
"Ronnie has superior lines, muscle bellies, shape, muscle tie-ins and size."(Iceman)
"Ronnie has better arms, arms, arms and arms than Dorian, who had shitty 17" arms and a belly like a cow according to Sergio Oliva."(Pumpster)
The glutes are the largest muscles in the body and Ronnie 2003 had the largest ass."(Nicorulez)
"Ronnie looks better than Dorian"(Sculpture)
None of these guys seem very intelligent, to be honest. How can you just arbitrarilly decide what constitutes superiority and then proclaIm that Ronnie is better by your own biased opnion? If we are reducing our arguments to posting pics of Dorian and Ronnie and then claiming that our prefered bodybuilder is destroying the other without offering no further explanations, then we are not getting anywhere, because taste can't be argued with.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It never ceases to amaze me how stupid, generic and biased Coleman fans are when trying to explain why Coleman is better than Yates. Here are a few examples:
"Coleman had more mass at the 2001 ASC than he did at the 99' Olympia and Dorian 95'. Dorian's weight advantage over Ronnie was all due to his gut and bigger bones."(NeoSeminole)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Can you believe this nonsense?
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Can you believe this nonsense?
I actually find the other quotes I posted more incredible. It is a tough matchup between Nicorulez, PraetorFenix and Iceman as to who has provided the most hilariously biased and generic argument for why Ronnie is better. Not to say that SemenHole's quote isn't dumb; it is. It just so happens that the others I pointed out are even more incredible.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I actually find the other quotes I posted more incredible. It is a tough matchup between Nicorulez, PraetorFenix and Iceman as to who has provided the most hilariously biased and generic argument for why Ronnie is better. Not to say that SemenHole's quote isn't dumb; it is. It just so happens that the others I pointed out are even more incredible.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
How about Hulkster and Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian? lol
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If the 1998 version of Ronnie Coleman took things to another level, then why did he narrowly defeat a less than best Flex Wheeler?
why are you assuming that the judging was anywhere NEAR accurate at that contest? ::)
here is a lesson for you:
it wasn't: ::)
you guys really have to stop looking to the scorecards and assuming they make sense with reality.
sometimes they do not,
see for yourself: ::)
ronnie blew flex off the stage, not barely scraping by..
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why are you assuming that the judging was anywhere NEAR accurate at that contest? ::)
here is a lesson for you:
it wasn't: ::)
you guys really have to stop looking to the scorecards and assuming they make sense with reality.
sometimes they do not,
see for yourself: ::)
ronnie blew flex off the stage, not barely scraping by..
ha ha ha ha the politics excuse , never saw that one coming
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ha ha ha ha the politics excuse , never saw that one coming
if its not politics then show us how close ronnie and flex were at the contest...
go ahead and try.
I'll help you:
::)
then again, you have such a lack of knowledge about judging, you might actually think that there WAS hardly any difference between them..
the fact that ronnie was bigger, wider, harder more defined and vascular might not matter if you are too stupid to know otherwise... :-\
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ha ha ha ha the politics excuse , never saw that one coming
Indeed, like when Gunter beat Ronnie. Or in all the instances as champion when Ronnie barely got away with his title. How about when Jay took his title away! Politics, politics, lol ::) Like Ronnie said himself, why complain? ;D
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ha ha ha ha the politics excuse , never saw that one coming
LOL this moron can't even admit to rampant politics, because it's too closely allied to his hero's "wins".
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LOL this moron can't even admit to rampant politics, because it's too closely allied to his hero's "wins".
So let me get this straight. According to your theory, whenever something doesn't go according to plan for Ronnie, it's politics. Conversely, when things do go right for Dorian, it's politics. What logic. lol
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Ronnie was bigger, more muscular, more vascular, had fuller muscle bellies, had better muscle detail, had way better separation in the muscles ie split in the biceps, glutes, hams etc, and he had harder and dryer looking muscles then Yates. Yates was great one of the best, but come 1998 Ronnie took it to another level which has yet to be matched, then Ronnie took it to even another level in 2003. Heath is starting to get there, but has a good 3-4 years before hes in Ronnie's league
well said Matt
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Ronnie, although very good in 1998 didn't take anything to another level. Let's be real. Did he deserve to win? Absolutely. But at 247 pounds, he was not the biggest, driest, nor the most complete to ever grace the stage. Hell, back in 1993 Yates was 10 pounds bigger, dryer and more complete from head to toe, front to back. Ronnie had too many close calls as champ to be considered the most dominant ever. To make no mention of his embarrassing loss to Gunter. Or inevitably losing to Jay.
With regard to 2003, heralding such a physique as the "be all" illustrates exactly how far the level of conditioning had plummeted at the pro level. He was huge and surprisingly hard at the 2003 contest, but hardly in top notch condition. In fact, he was quite soft and realistically in the type of condition one would expect being several weeks out. 2003 Ronnie may have pleased those with a fetish for size, but in doing so, he sacrificed conditioning and proportions.
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Ronnie, although very good in 1998 didn't take anything to another level. Let's be real. Did he deserve to win? Absolutely. But at 247 pounds, he was not the biggest, driest, nor the most complete to ever grace the stage. Hell, back in 1993 Yates was 10 pounds bigger, dryer and more complete from head to toe, front to back. Ronnie had too many close calls as champ to be considered the most dominant ever. To make no mention of his embarrassing loss to Gunter. Or inevitably losing to Jay.
With regard to 2003, heralding such a physique as the "be all" illustrates exactly how far the level of conditioning had plummeted at the pro level. He was huge and surprisingly hard at the 2003 contest, but hardly in top notch condition. In fact, he was quite soft and realistically in the type of condition one would expect being several weeks out. 2003 Ronnie may have pleased those with a fetish for size, but in doing so, he sacrificed conditioning and proportions.
sorry, but a quick glance at reality shows your written words to be total bullshit as always.,
not only did ronnie crush dorian's 93 contest shape, he crushes his all time best presentation, the 93 black and whites.
sorry.
you may continue with your bullshit words... ::)
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if its not politics then show us how close ronnie and flex were at the contest...
go ahead and try.
I'll help you:
::)
then again, you have such a lack of knowledge about judging, you might actually think that there WAS hardly any difference between them..
the fact that ronnie was bigger, wider, harder more defined and vascular might not matter if you are too stupid to know otherwise... :-\
Sorry bro but I was at the 98 O and it was close between Flex and Ronnie. I've said this a million times so I will say it again YOU CAN'T JUDGE A SHOW BY PICS! I actually though Flex would have won the show but Ronnie took it. Not complaining at all about Ronnie winning but it was alot closer than what those pics show.
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Sorry bro but I was at the 98 O and it was close between Flex and Ronnie. I've said this a million times so I will say it again YOU CAN'T JUDGE A SHOW BY PICS! I actually though Flex would have won the show but Ronnie took it. Not complaining at all about Ronnie winning but it was alot closer than what those pics show.
Actualy the videos back up the pics. It's not as though there are just a few pieces of evidence. When you first look at them they look close, which is probably what you thought being there. Taking some time to break it down they were close but Coleman had very clear and significant advantages in several areas. The pics and videos all confirm that.
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sorry, but a quick glance at reality shows your written words to be total bullshit as always.,
not only did ronnie crush dorian's 93 contest shape, he crushes his all time best presentation, the 93 black and whites.
sorry.
you may continue with your bullshit words... ::)
Easy on the sharpening tool, Huckster. You're going to give Ronnie a sunburn. lol
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Easy on the sharpening tool, Huckster. You're going to give Ronnie a sunburn. lol
That's another creation made by his partner , they took the colored screencap removed the color and scaled it in Ronnie's favor and then have the balls to type Dorian's getting beat
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Right a guy who Dorian dominated in 1993 his best year on record
Some could say Flex Wheeler was better then Yates too! Not like Flex was a crappy bber or something!
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Some could say Flex Wheeler was better then Yates too! Not like Flex was a crappy bber or something!
He wasn't better than Yates , he could've beat Yates but he didn't that's a fact .
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See this is the detail and condition that ronnies destroies yates in that I'm talking about, Yates did not come close to this and you Yates lovers know it!. Please show me a pic where yates has this much detail and separation in his back????????
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4700-5/1998-mr-olympia-79.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
Front lat spread that beat yates!
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/13855-3/2001-arnold-classic-81.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
Da Champ!
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/13835-4/2001-arnold-classic-97.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
Please someone show me a Yates MM shot like this ::)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/27234-3/2004-mr-olympia-90.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
Yates back was not even close to this!
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25768-3/2004-mr-olympia-1.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
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See this is the detail and condition that ronnies destroies yates in that I'm talking about, Yates did not come close to this and you Yates lovers know it!. Please show me a pic where yates has this much detail and separation in his back????????
Thanks for playing
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See this is the detail and condition that ronnies destroies yates in that I'm talking about, Yates did not come close to this and you Yates lovers know it!. Please show me a pic where yates has this much detail and separation in his back????????
Shall I continue?
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Thanks for playing
That was easy!
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Sorry bro but I was at the 98 O and it was close between Flex and Ronnie. I've said this a million times so I will say it again YOU CAN'T JUDGE A SHOW BY PICS! I actually though Flex would have won the show but Ronnie took it. Not complaining at all about Ronnie winning but it was alot closer than what those pics show.
hahahahahaha
PWNED 8)
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Thanks for playing
ru serious posting those pics of yates?? You think that compares to Ronnies? Look how shitty yates arms look, his wide lower back?, he looks ripped but flat, ronnies looks crisp, hard and full!.
Look how much thicker Ronnies back is in those pose compared to Yates. Yates back looks flat!, ronnies muscle pop out!
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/45525-4/1999-mr-olympia-122.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
Again
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44583-4/1999-mr-olympia-82.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
Dorian who?
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/44102-3/1999-mr-olympia-29.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/45464-3/1994-mr-olympia-bw-18.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
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That was easy!
Detail in the back isn't comparable not at all to type anything to the contrary is silly
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hahahahahaha
PWNED 8)
Actually your hero ND admits he's never seen either one in person, while Kyomu who has says that the keg was underwhelming, not as good as the pics bwahahahahahah
PWNED
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See this is the detail and condition that ronnies destroies yates in that I'm talking about, Yates did not come close to this and you Yates lovers know it!. Please show me a pic where yates has this much detail and separation in his back????????
Yates back was not even close to this!
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/25768-3/2004-mr-olympia-1.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
You're seriously posting this as the ultimate representation of back development and detail?? ::) Easy money! Even Yates at his worst in 1997 tears that to shreds! And likely ANY other year also. LMFAO
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ru serious posting those pics of yates?? You think that compares to Ronnies? Look how shitty yates arms look, his wide lower back?, he looks ripped but flat, ronnies looks crisp, hard and full!.
Look how much thicker Ronnies back is in those pose compared to Yates. Yates back looks flat!, ronnies muscle pop out!
You're posting pictures from 1999 where his conditioning wasn't even as good as 1998 and you're bragging about how hard and full his back looks? LMFAO never mind Ronnie's back not being comparable in the detail department and it looks flat ::) what does this mean? it is flat? ha ha ha ha Ronnie's back appears more ' full ' because he has a shorter torso and his lats insert a tad higher so his volume is more concentrated in a smaller area , what you also need to grasp is all rounds are physique rounds
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Here's from the front, with (AS USUAL) ZERO DETAIL hahahahahahha
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You're posting pictures from 1999 where his conditioning wasn't even as good as 1998 and you're bragging about how hard and full his back looks? LMFAO never mind Ronnie's back not being comparable in the detail department and it looks flat ::) what does this mean? it is flat? ha ha ha ha Ronnie's back appears more ' full ' because he has a shorter torso and his lats insert a tad higher so his volume is more concentrated in a smaller area , what you also need to grasp is all rounds are physique rounds
ND, I couldn't help but notice that you, as do I and many others, referenced where the lats insert. Self professed intellectual Neo claims that such a term is completely foreign to the bodybuilding community. Instead, we should reference the lat "origins" If Neo says it, it has to be right. lol
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Shall i continue?? ;)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/10926-3/2003-mr-olympia-54-ronnie-coleman.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=c552a2a1dfb834d4e0758fd0c201435b)
Say what? :o
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/655/Men/IMG_8391.jpg)
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/655/Men/IMG_8413.jpg)
DETAIL!
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/655/Men/63EV9075.jpg)
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Shall i continue?? ;)
continue what? posting pictures of Ronnie not even at his best? lol feel free
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continue what? posting pictures of Ronnie not even at his best? lol feel free
Even ronnie at his worst is better then yates at his best!. Anyways we all know Ronnie was, is, and always will be better then Yates!.
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ND, I couldn't help but notice that you, as do I and many others, referenced where the lats insert. Self professed intellectual Neo claims that such a term is completely foreign to the bodybuilding community. Instead, we should reference the lat "origins" If Neo says it, it has to be right. lol
Oh well he would know he's a ' certified personal trainer " and he's in the medical profession ::)
Taken from Dave Draper's book, Brother Iron, Sister Steel
Stand sideways, three feet (more or less) from the base of a low pulley system, handle in the hand farthest from the cable apparatus. Assume a wide stance, bend at the knees and hips and let the weight stack extend to near-touching. Your working lat and arm should be in full extension, an appropriate starting position. Settle in, shift footing for movement efficiency, hand on knee for support: Ready, steadily pull the handle to the mid-torso, contract, slowly return, stretch low-lat insertions and repeat.
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Even ronnie at his worst is better then yates at his best!. Anyways we all know Ronnie was, is, and always will be better then Yates!.
Well MattT someone better clue Ronnie in for some dumb reason he's on record multiple times saying he could never beat Dorian , I guess he isn't included on your ' we ' lol
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Well MattT someone better clue Ronnie in for some dumb reason he's on record multiple times saying he could never beat Dorian , I guess he isn't included on your ' we ' lol
Its called being humble ::)
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Oh well he would know he's a ' certified personal trainer " and he's in the medical profession ::)
Taken from Dave Draper's book, Brother Iron, Sister Steel
Stand sideways, three feet (more or less) from the base of a low pulley system, handle in the hand farthest from the cable apparatus. Assume a wide stance, bend at the knees and hips and let the weight stack extend to near-touching. Your working lat and arm should be in full extension, an appropriate starting position. Settle in, shift footing for movement efficiency, hand on knee for support: Ready, steadily pull the handle to the mid-torso, contract, slowly return, stretch low-lat insertions and repeat.
lol, Neo=owned again.
Neo thinks changing bed pans makes him a part of the medical profession. lol
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Its called being humble honest ::)
fixed.
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Actually Coleman was rather underwhelming in person.
Agreed!
Sorry bro but I was at the 98 O and it was close between Flex and Ronnie. I've said this a million times so I will say it again YOU CAN'T JUDGE A SHOW BY PICS! I actually though Flex would have won the show but Ronnie took it. Not complaining at all about Ronnie winning but it was alot closer than what those pics show.
hahahahahahaha
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Its called being humble ::)
It's called being honest ;)
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ND, I couldn't help but notice that you, as do I and many others, referenced where the lats insert. Self professed intellectual Neo claims that such a term is completely foreign to the bodybuilding community. Instead, we should reference the lat "origins" If Neo says it, it has to be right. lol
ha ha ha, I owned your ass in the other thread. So you scurry here and continue to post more of the same bullshit. You also have to resort to lying in order to make me look wrong. How lame. Show me where I said the term "lat insertions" is foreign to the bodybuilding community. If you fail to provide evidence, then you forever seal your reputation on Getbig as a liar. ;)
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lol, Neo=owned again.
Neo thinks changing bed pans makes him a part of the medical profession. lol
who said anything about bed pans? I'm a personal trainer who is starting physician assistant school next year. I've never changed a bed pan in my life and probably never will.
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ha ha ha, I owned your ass in the other thread. So you scurry here and continue to post more of the same bullshit. You also have to resort to lying in order to make me look wrong. How lame. Show me where I said the term "lat insertions" is foreign to the bodybuilding community. If you fail to provide evidence, then you forever seal your reputation on Getbig as a liar. ;)
You already cemented your GetBig rep as a liar when you manipulated quotes ;)
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You already cemented your GetBig rep as a liar when you manipulated quotes
oh please, you're a liar too like your fellow guy. Show me where I manipulated quotes. ;)
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Dorian Who??
;)
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1315/241/89/709508976/n709508976_1258555_7631.jpg)
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oh please, you're a liar too like your fellow guy. Show me where I manipulated quotes. ;)
Done
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable.
you posted this and omitted the quote in it's entirety for a very specific reason , this is the whole quote
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
clear case of deception , there are other examples this was the quickest one available. you're a liar and a hypocrite for saying others are.
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Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.
Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.
Do you try and contradict yourself Neo, or are you merely that absent minded? ::) Also, keep in mind that it was you who challenged me to provide quotes referring to where the lats insert. I obliged with one from senior writer Shawn Perine of Flex magazine, as did ND, who provided a quote from Dave Draper's book. Did you happen to note the quote from your hero Ronnie's "Ask Mr. Olympia" section on Flex Online? Oh, I forgot, you only accept his quotes when they are in support of your position. Kind of like when Ronnie declares that he could never defeat Dorian. By making the challenge, you were asserting that such a reference is not used within the industry. Evidently, you are very wrong, as usual. I'm quite certain you should be getting used to it by now, however.
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again, show me where I manipulated anything. I didn't change the wording or the meaning of the quote. ;)
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Do you try and contradict yourself Neo, or are you merely that absent minded? Also, keep in mind that it was you who challenged me to provide quotes referring to where the lats insert. I obliged with one from senior writer Shawn Perine of Flex magazine, as did ND, who provided a quote from Dave Draper's book. Did you happen to note the quote from your hero Ronnie's "Ask Mr. Olympia" section on Flex Online? Oh, I forgot, you only accept his quotes when they are in support of your position. Kind of like when Ronnie declares that he could never defeat Dorian. By making the challenge, you were asserting that such a reference is not used within the industry. Evidently, you are very wrong, as usual. I'm quite certain you should be getting used to it by now, however.
so you concede that you're a liar since you failed to show where I said "lat insertions" is foreign to the bodybuilding community? Very well then, there's no need for me to address your post. It's probably full of lies. ;)
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Thanks for playing
why is one side of his back bigger than the other???
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again, show me where I manipulated anything. I didn't change the wording or the meaning of the quote. ;)
You did change the wording , you took the quote out of it's context and did it deliberately to try and convey the point that Ronnie was untouchable which the person was saying isn't true. You were being deceptive it's not the first time either. you tried it with the Dorian Yates quote
your version
" Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me "
actual version
" Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me , I guess I don't know. "
You tried to pass that off as a definitive answer when it was anything but especially when he says " I guess , I don't know. " these are just two quick example of your deception
you're a hypocrite and a liar yourself , I fully expected you to play word games. you have no integrity I didn't expect as much seeing you're being deceptive anyway.
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Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.
Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.
Do you try and contradict yourself Neo, or are you merely that absent minded? ::) Also, keep in mind that it was you who challenged me to provide quotes referring to where the lats insert. I obliged with one from senior writer Shawn Perine of Flex magazine, as did ND, who provided a quote from Dave Draper's book. Did you happen to note the quote from your hero Ronnie's "Ask Mr. Olympia" section on Flex Online? Oh, I forgot, you only accept his quotes when they are in support of your position. Kind of like when Ronnie declares that he could never defeat Dorian. By making the challenge, you were asserting that such a reference is not used within the industry. Evidently, you are very wrong, as usual. I'm quite certain you should be getting used to it by now, however.
Another blatant contradiction by Neo , his typical move when exposed to to A) play word games and or B) not respond , textbook Neo ignorant as the day is long.
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You did change the wording , you took the quote out of it's context and did it deliberately to try and convey the point that Ronnie was untouchable which the person was saying isn't true. You were being deceptive it's not the first time either. you tried it with the Dorian Yates quote
ha ha ha, how did I take the quote out of its context? Shawn Perine specifically calls Ronnie untouchable. He mentions Dorian as a contender but doesn't regard him as Ronnie's equal. So the quote I used still retains its meaning. ;)
your version
"Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me "
actual version
"Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me , I guess I don't know. "
You tried to pass that off as a definitive answer when it was anything but especially when he says " I guess , I don't know. " these are just two quick example of your deception
yawn, did Dorian say the judges would choose Ronnie over him? Yes. Did he say the judges would choose him over Ronnie? No. Even if he later said "I guess I don't know," the fact remains he believed Ronnie would beat him in a contest.
you're a hypocrite and a liar yourself , I fully expected you to play word games. you have no integrity I didn't expect as much seeing you're being deceptive anyway.
I'm still waiting for you to show how I manipulated quotes. ;)
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Another blatant contradiction by Neo , his typical move when exposed to to A) play word games and or B) not respond , textbook Neo ignorant as the day is long.
explain how I contradicted myself. Last time I checked, a muscle "attachment" can refer to an origin or insertion point. Educate yourself next time before banding together with other idiots in making fools of yourselves.
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explain how I contradicted myself. Last time I checked, a muscle "attachment" can refer to an origin or insertion point. Educate yourself next time before banding together with other idiots in making fools of yourselves.
Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.
Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.
In addition to being illiterate, you're also color blind. ::)
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Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.
Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.
Evidently, in addition to being illiterate, you're also blind.
yeah? I'm looking. Show me where I contradicted myself. ???
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ha ha ha, how did I take the quote out of its context? Shawn Perine specifically calls Ronnie untouchable. He mentions Dorian as a contender but doesn't regard him as Ronnie's equal. So the quote I used still retains its meaning. ;)
yawn, did Dorian say the judges would choose Ronnie over him? Yes. Did he say the judges would choose him over Ronnie? No. Even if he later said "I guess I don't know," the fact remains he believed Ronnie would beat him in a contest.
I'm still waiting for you to show how I manipulated quotes. ;)
ha ha ha, how did I take the quote out of its context? Shawn Perine specifically calls Ronnie untouchable. He mentions Dorian as a contender but doesn't regard him as Ronnie's equal. So the quote I used still retains its meaning. ;)
I love how you're now forced to speculate on what he was thinking , you omitted that part of the quote for a specific reason , that's deception and it's clear cut Ronnie is untouchable EXCEPT by Dorian Yates exception to the rule , I expected you to resort to try an play with words and you're so predictable
yawn, did Dorian say the judges would choose Ronnie over him? Yes. Did he say the judges would choose him over Ronnie? No. Even if he later said "I guess I don't know," the fact remains he believed Ronnie would beat him in a contest.
you he didn't he said probably that's not definitive and not accurate , he doesn't know what the judges would do , hence I don't know , another clear and pathetic attempt at toying with words and omitting part of the quote , deception again
I'm still waiting for you to show how I manipulated quotes. ;)
your nonsense is boring you have no integrity , in the end you played yourself.
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I love how you're now forced to speculate on what he was thinking , you omitted that part of the quote for a specific reason , that's deception and it's clear cut Ronnie is untouchable EXCEPT by Dorian Yates exception to the rule , I expected you to resort to try an play with words and you're so predictable
I'm not speculating anything. Shawn Perine explicitly says a prime Ronnie is untouchable. He then mentions Dorian as an exception to this. However, he never states that Dorian is Ronnie's equal. ;)
you he didn't he said probably that's not definitive and not accurate , he doesn't know what the judges would do , hence I don't know , another clear and pathetic attempt at toying with words and omitting part of the quote , deception again
answer with "yes" or "no"
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick Ronnie?
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick him?
therein lies your answer. ;)
your nonsense is boring you have no integrity , in the end you played yourself.
yawn, defending lies with more lies only makes you look even dumber than you already are. ::)
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I'm not speculating anything. Shawn Perine explicitly says a prime Ronnie is untouchable. He then mentions Dorian as an exception to this. However, he never states that Dorian is Ronnie's equal. ;)
answer with "yes" or "no"
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick Ronnie?
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick him?
therein lies your answer. ;)
yawn, defending lies with more lies only makes you look even dumber than you already are. ::)
I'm not speculating anything. Shawn Perine explicitly says a prime Ronnie is untouchable. He then mentions Dorian as an exception to this. However, he never states that Dorian is Ronnie's equal. ;)
So your response is to yet again try and play with words , he never states Ronnie is his superior either. Ronnie is untouchable with the exception of Dorian , there for he's touchable by Dorian Yates it has nothing to being ' equals '
the fact is you omitted this part to make it appear Ronnie is untouchable it's inaccurate and deceptive and you did it deliberately and when exposed you try everything in your power to run from this fact , you did it with other quotes as well , and the original points stands you're a liar for taking posts out of context
answer with "yes" or "no"
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick Ronnie?
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick him?
therein lies your answer. ;)
Again hyperfocusing on the words instead of what you attempted to do which is omit a part which you clearly did specifically , we're not talking about the quote , we're talking about how you attempted to manipulate in your favor
that's 2 examples of you taking quotes out of context and the original point stands , you have nerve calling anyone a liar
yawn, defending lies with more lies only makes you look even dumber than you already are. ::)
you have no integrity kid that's among the worse insults I can pay you
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So your response is to yet again try and play with words , he never states Ronnie is his superior either. Ronnie is untouchable with the exception of Dorian , there for he's touchable by Dorian Yates it has nothing to being ' equals '
oh gee, I haven't seen that sorry excuse before. ::)
fact: Shawn Perine calls Ronnie untouchable.
fact: he never says Dorian was equal to Ronnie.
hope this helps. ;)
the fact is you omitted this part to make it appear Ronnie is untouchable it's inaccurate and deceptive and you did it deliberately and when exposed you try everything in your power to run from this fact , you did it with other quotes as well , and the original points stands you're a liar for taking posts out of context
don't presume to speak for me. I left the rest of the quote out b/c it was irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't have to resort to cheap tricks to make a point.
Again hyperfocusing on the words instead of what you attempted to do which is omit a part which you clearly did specifically , we're not talking about the quote , we're talking about how you attempted to manipulate in your favor
I didn't ask for an explanation, idiot. "Yes" or "no?"
you have no integrity kid that's among the worse insults I can pay you
says the person who is a hypocrite and a liar. ::)
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oh gee, I haven't seen that sorry excuse before. ::)
fact: Shawn Perine calls Ronnie untouchable.
fact: he never says Dorian was equal to Ronnie.
hope this helps. ;)
don't presume to speak for me. I left the rest of the quote out b/c it was irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't have to resort to cheap tricks to make a point.
I didn't ask for an explanation, idiot. "Yes" or "no?"
says the person who is a hypocrite and a liar. ::)
oh gee, I haven't seen that sorry excuse before. ::)
fact: Shawn Perine calls Ronnie untouchable.
fact: he never says Dorian was equal to Ronnie.
hope this helps. ;)
I don't need excuses you do.
fact Shawn calls Ronnie untouchable EXCEPT by Dorian Yates you're trying still desperately to omit this part because it shuts you down . Now according to that quote Ronnie is untouchable when it comes to everyone with the exception of Dorian Yates , you omitted this fact to try and pass the quote off out of context thus stating Ronnie is indeed untouchable to everyone . that's deception a form of lying which you're still trying to do
fact he never says he's Ronnie equal? he never says ANYTHING about equality ( directly that is ) this is you trying add this on your own , he never says Ronnie is taller , he never says a lot of things , he never says Ronnie is his superior ;) it's pathetic the lengths you're trying to go to get out of the simple fact that you were exposed for omitting parts of the quotes
and entertaining your stupidity the fact he says that Ronnie is untouchable by anyone EXCEPT Dorian Yates by default makes him an equal , he never says Dorian is his superior or inferior , he just says he's capable of touching Ronnie at that bare minimum that makes his an equal , so you're fucked either way ;)
don't presume to speak for me. I left the rest of the quote out b/c it was irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't have to resort to cheap tricks to make a point.
It's not irrelevant it's very relevant to the topic you posted the quote in a series of them as proof that Ronnie was better than Dorian , you omitted the fact that the person who you're quoting feels that Ronnie is untouchable with the exception of Dorian , you just tried to pass it off as he's just ' untouchable ' which isn't accurate and very relevant to the context in which you were posting it as proof
and I really laughed out loud when you typed you don't have to resort to cheap tricks lol classic bullshit , especially when you're clearly busted using cheap tricks by omitting part of the quotes and then trying in a feeble attempt to bog down your exposure for doing so with semantics , typical Neo with his back against the wall
I didn't ask for an explanation, idiot. "Yes" or "no?"
says the person who is a hypocrite and a liar. ::)
again you have no integrity kid , you're busted that's the bottom line no amount of game playing and denial can save you we both know you took at least two quotes out of context to try and support your claim and there is a third quote as well but I could care less , your denial was predictable as was your semantics , in the end I proved both my points
you're a hypocrite for calling someone else a liar and you were deceptive by taking at least three quotes out of context to prove your point.