Mike was a lunatic. Arnold and co. just tolerated him. What else can be done but to humour this nutcase.
Mike, let Arnold and all his achievments totally consume him. Yes, Arnold had all the pussy, money, fame and popularity.
And what did Mike have? Hmmmm. Well, he stole the H.I.T priciples and called them his own and became a worthless drug addict.
The most badass 'stache in bodybuilding
his shaving habbit was the same as his bodybuilding, probably once a month
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2197/2456916351_a86c1792b5.jpg?v=0)
Rustys stache is just as epic
Great forearms, triceps and calves on Mentzer.
Mike loved to indulge. He enjoyed all varieties of illicit substances. And yes, he had issues with alcohol and cigarettes as well.
Mike died a tormented and twisted soul. His legacy is quite unimpressive; a whiny voice, a grotesque moustache, track marks, a vile breath and a huge library of purile philosophy literature.
It is true that Mike despised Arnold. Many belief that his deep and bitter hatred of the great man is in part, responsible for his early and predictable death.
Ann Rand shit, well he could have shoved that bollocks up his anus.He proberly tryed :-\
Surely Mike = Meltdown
Haha, that is right, Mike is the epitome of total meltdown.
He never recovered :'(
The most badass 'stache in bodybuilding
The only legacy Mike left was his whiny voice....Yes, the Jays and the Lees certainly picked up on this unfortunate characteristic!
Bottom line, Mike is just another dead bodybuilder.
He tortured his mind and body through the use of steroids, alcohol and cocaine. And what did he become as a result of this abuse? A rambling, incoherent lunatic.
Yes, it was kind of sad to see how quickly Mike receded; after he stopped injecting the roids.
In actual fact, within a few short months his arms looked like spaghetti and his chest became sunken.
The lesson here is; live clean, train clean and be your own person.
Drugs are for the weak minded and the insecure..... Mike certainly proved this to be the case!
You are so off on this. Sure he had major flaws, the whiny, nasal a particular galling one. But the man left a legacy. This is easily evident when a debate ensues regarding his training methodology. The theads, both pro and con, grow passionate and heated, and inevitably are locked.
His impact was tremendous and he's hardly given credit for it (though admittedly most of his ideas came from Jones). Remember the Arnold days when they were training each body part 2-3 times a week? When they didn't distinguish between intensity and duration? When the pump was the be all and end all? Who even talked about genetics during that time? Why Arnold was Arnold and though people copied him nobody was close to him during that time? Who talked about the difference between localized recovery and systemic recovery? In fact, who talked about the importance of recovery at all or even the idea of over training. What about the weak links like biceps when training lats and triceps when training chest and how the principle of pre-exhaustion can circumvent that?
He even was the first to dismiss the idea of "reforming" or "shaping" your muscles by certain exercises like trying to do concentration curls for a "peak" or Scott curls for your "lower" biceps. That muscle shape was genetically predetermined and no matter how many incline presses you do you're never going to get Franco's armour plated upper chest.
You are very, very wrong about Mike Mentzer not having a legacy. His impact was great and will continue to be.
Please retract your statement about his mustache being "grotesque." This is now my second request. Don't make you dismiss you ala gh15.
You are so off on this. Sure he had major flaws, the whiny, nasal a particular galling one. But the man left a legacy. This is easily evident when a debate ensues regarding his training methodology. The theads, both pro and con, grow passionate and heated, and inevitably are locked.
His impact was tremendous and he's hardly given credit for it (though admittedly most of his ideas came from Jones). Remember the Arnold days when they were training each body part 2-3 times a week? When they didn't distinguish between intensity and duration? When the pump was the be all and end all? Who even talked about genetics during that time? Why Arnold was Arnold and though people copied him nobody was close to him during that time? Who talked about the difference between localized recovery and systemic recovery? In fact, who talked about the importance of recovery at all or even the idea of over training. What about the weak links like biceps when training lats and triceps when training chest and how the principle of pre-exhaustion can circumvent that?
He even was the first to dismiss the idea of "reforming" or "shaping" your muscles by certain exercises like trying to do concentration curls for a "peak" or Scott curls for your "lower" biceps. That muscle shape was genetically predetermined and no matter how many incline presses you do you're never going to get Franco's armour plated upper chest.
You are very, very wrong about Mike Mentzer not having a legacy. His impact was great and will continue to be.
Please retract your statement about his mustache being "grotesque." This is now my second request. Don't make you dismiss you ala gh15.
The only legacy Mike left was his whiny voice....Yes, the Jays and the Lees certainly picked up on this unfortunate characteristic!
Bottom line, Mike is just another dead bodybuilder.
He tortured his mind and body through the use of steroids, alcohol and cocaine. And what did he become as a result of this abuse? A rambling, incoherent lunatic.
Yes, it was kind of sad to see how quickly Mike receded; after he stopped injecting the roids.
In actual fact, within a few short months his arms looked like spaghetti and his chest became sunken.
The lesson here is; live clean, train clean and be your own person.
Drugs are for the weak minded and the insecure..... Mike certainly proved this to be the case!
just imagine what he woulda looked liek without the coke, meth, low volume trianing, and low calorie low protein diet... dude woulda been EVEN MORE amazing..Newsflashh..mike never actualy followed the shit he talked about..
Newsflashh..mike never actualy followed the shit he talked about..maybe they only THOUGHT he was workin hard on his warm ups.. i dont know.. i traned with a guy who was taught hd by mentzer and he swears by hd and thats the way he trained exactly and he always said that the warmup sets were a joke and they were just there to get a feel for the weight and let the muscles know what was going on..
He was seen once doing a chest work out by a quite well known journo from MM.
He was seen to do 4 exercises for his chest.
Example.
Bench press.set 1 10 -12 reps
set 2 8-10 reps
set 3 6-8 reps
set 4 4-6 reps with 2 forced and a negative rep.
He did this on all 4 exercises..
After his work out the journo approached him and asked if he had given up on HD training and had gone back to traditional bodybuilding pyramid training..
Mike said:Rubbish , that was HD at its best , its only the last set that counted as the proceeding sets were warm ups and he was adament he had only done 4 sets total..
Even though he worked hard on all lead up sets.
The journo was astonished as he had just seen mentzer do 16 work sets but mentzer claimed to have only done 4. ???
He instructed his clientele of naive retards to 'lift heavy'. And they did, and they got nowhere (just injured) with his stolen-bullshit-training-concepts.
You are so off on this. Sure he had major flaws, the whiny, nasal a particular galling one. But the man left a legacy. This is easily evident when a debate ensues regarding his training methodology. The theads, both pro and con, grow passionate and heated, and inevitably are locked.
His impact was tremendous and he's hardly given credit for it (though admittedly most of his ideas came from Jones). Remember the Arnold days when they were training each body part 2-3 times a week? When they didn't distinguish between intensity and duration? When the pump was the be all and end all? Who even talked about genetics during that time? Why Arnold was Arnold and though people copied him nobody was close to him during that time? Who talked about the difference between localized recovery and systemic recovery? In fact, who talked about the importance of recovery at all or even the idea of over training. What about the weak links like biceps when training lats and triceps when training chest and how the principle of pre-exhaustion can circumvent that?
He even was the first to dismiss the idea of "reforming" or "shaping" your muscles by certain exercises like trying to do concentration curls for a "peak" or Scott curls for your "lower" biceps. That muscle shape was genetically predetermined and no matter how many incline presses you do you're never going to get Franco's armour plated upper chest.
You are very, very wrong about Mike Mentzer not having a legacy. His impact was great and will continue to be.
Please retract your statement about his mustache being "grotesque." This is now my second request. Don't make me dismiss you ala gh15.
Mike is just another fraud...a stealer of ideas and concepts.
He made wild claims, yet was never able to back them up with science.
Take away the drugs and Mike was nothing. It was the steroids that provided a false reality for Mike.
This is evidenced by his ridiculous lifting-regime. Basically, all he achieved from this was a destroyed vertebrae and major joint problems.
Similar to every other delusional roider, when the needles stop, the body deflates! And this was clearly the case with this irrational-man-of the-junk!
At the end of day, happiness can be measured in health and longevity. Mike failed in both of these areas...no surprises there!
Yes, Mike died and unhealthy man.
He slipped into the abyss with no 'real friends'. People just tolerated this raving lunatic....now, that is a true tragedy!
maybe they only THOUGHT he was workin hard on his warm ups.. i dont know.. i traned with a guy who was taught hd by mentzer and he swears by hd and thats the way he trained exactly and he always said that the warmup sets were a joke and they were just there to get a feel for the weight and let the muscles know what was going on..It sure looks like traditional BB training though..he pyramid every exercise like that..
You are so off on this. Sure he had major flaws, the whiny, nasal a particular galling one. But the man left a legacy. This is easily evident when a debate ensues regarding his training methodology. The theads, both pro and con, grow passionate and heated, and inevitably are locked.
His impact was tremendous and he's hardly given credit for it (though admittedly most of his ideas came from Jones). Remember the Arnold days when they were training each body part 2-3 times a week? When they didn't distinguish between intensity and duration? When the pump was the be all and end all? Who even talked about genetics during that time? Why Arnold was Arnold and though people copied him nobody was close to him during that time? Who talked about the difference between localized recovery and systemic recovery? In fact, who talked about the importance of recovery at all or even the idea of over training. What about the weak links like biceps when training lats and triceps when training chest and how the principle of pre-exhaustion can circumvent that?
He even was the first to dismiss the idea of "reforming" or "shaping" your muscles by certain exercises like trying to do concentration curls for a "peak" or Scott curls for your "lower" biceps. That muscle shape was genetically predetermined and no matter how many incline presses you do you're never going to get Franco's armour plated upper chest.
You are very, very wrong about Mike Mentzer not having a legacy. His impact was great and will continue to be.
Please retract your statement about his mustache being "grotesque." This is now my second request. Don't make me dismiss you ala gh15.
I think you are the raving lunatic my bitter friend. It has been proven scientifically the importance of intensity vs duration for the purpose of increasing strength and hypertrophy.luvvsuNOT = respect
Mike was above average and developed before drugs. At fifteen he probably put you to shame at your best.
Every athlete in any type of contact sport or sport requiring extreme physical exertion will suffer from injuries. Did Mike train heavier than Coleman? Has any top bb gone through his career injury free?
Everybody will deflate into a weak mass of flesh whether you do drugs or not. Who dies healthy? From dust to dust my bitter, angry, self-appointed commentator.
And where did you get the idea that happiness stems from health and how long you live? Stephan Hawkings has lived a very productive and, most importantly, meaningful life, yet he has spent most of his life in poor health. The brave and courageous soldier, Pat Tillman, gave up a comfortable and prosperous life style to fight and die for his country at a relatively early age. By all accounts he was a very happy man.
And how do you know Mike had no real friends? How can you possibly know that? To this day, no matter what you or anybody else thinks about him, he has a legion of devoted fans. The woman who runs his site was very close to him. Have you read any of letters written from people all over the world that testifies to the positive impact Mike had on their lives? Can you say the same?
You are known mostly as a bitter, disillusion, commentator who seems to have gotten his heart broken because of the travesty that modern bb has become. So you sit there and put yourself on a pedestal and just criticize everybody and everything associated with this endeavor.
When you die no one but your immediate family will remember you and hopefully care. But that will quickly pass in the next generation. Mike Mentzer will be long remembered and his principles, along with it's variations, will be discussed and debated while you pass quickly into oblivion leaving no legacy behind.
You, poor man, are the true tragedy.
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Newsflashh..mike never actualy followed the shit he talked about..
He was seen once doing a chest work out by a quite well known journo from MM.
He was seen to do 4 exercises for his chest.
Example.
Bench press.set 1 10 -12 reps
set 2 8-10 reps
set 3 6-8 reps
set 4 4-6 reps with 2 forced and a negative rep.
He did this on all 4 exercises..
After his work out the journo approached him and asked if he had given up on HD training and had gone back to traditional bodybuilding pyramid training..
Mike said:Rubbish , that was HD at its best , its only the last set that counted as the proceeding sets were warm ups and he was adament he had only done 4 sets total..
Even though he worked hard on all lead up sets.
The journo was astonished as he had just seen mentzer do 16 work sets but mentzer claimed to have only done 4. ???