agreed.
the giants lost not because they were missing jacobs and plax, but because they are FLAT.
that's not to say missing plax doesn't hurt them in the air, as it does allow defenses to tighten up their secondaries alot without him lining up as he hurts you when you run man on him.
the giants are on a skid and playing like shit and there is NO excuse for it. manning and the receiving corps need to get on the same page and get their timing and routes down. manning is throwing the ball well and hitting his windows, but he's not getting alot of help from his o-line or his receivers.
the only bright spot on this team in the losses has been an ever present solid pass rush. spagnolo is one of the best d coordinators in the league and is a big reason the giants are where they are today, but the offense needs clamp shit down this upcoming week and get back to doing what they do best- making holes for the backs and giving manning time to make his reads as he gets nervous in a collapsing pocket.
sincerely,
a giants fan.
:)
2.Jacobs does make a difference.to me watching it seemed that there were some holes and seems that Jacobs would of hit hard and picked up some extra yards.
The Giants did nothing to adapt to the blitz until it was too late. No screens, quick slants, etc. Nada.
I kept waiting to see the play calling change.
Could be that, or more likely the fact that they used their least-good back almost exclusively yesterday. For some reason (probably related to off-field stuff) they refuse to use Bradshaw. The coach is wary of using him thanks to off-field hijinks and whatever else happens in the locker room. Bradshaw's quite possibly the best back on the team, should've started the 2nd half at the least.
Given the success they had with Bradshaw last year, I've been asking this same question. Before Jacobs' injury, the real reason was that they just didn't need him. Now, it's a different story. The guy finds holes that I never see on TV. It's like he slips through cracks.
He could have been very effective at countering the blitzing, if used properly.
Motivation won't be an issue.
Nothing's guaranteed, some teams go in to a spiral, some don't. Unlikely here but posible, especially if they lose next weekend.
The Giants did nothing to adapt to the blitz until it was too late. No screens, quick slants, etc. Nada.
I kept waiting to see the play calling change.
Absurd. They're in fact missing two of their top starting offensive players, to win without them was asking alot to begin with. Those aren't excuses, they're fact. Whatever drugs "body" is on, i want some, they're good. What an insanely subjective NE "homer". ;)
AND they're flat, in part from a usual seasonable dip and also due to the Burris situation.
Add those things up they're huge factors, but surmountable IF the players have the collective desire to do it.
The Burris situation could affect the entire season, as happened late-season with Fairbanks in NE in the late 70s. OR, they can choose to refocus and get back to what they were just a little while ago-mainly a mental shift once injured players are back.
ok kids...ok...
looks like of all things, a giants fan is going to have to the voice of reason. who would have thought
is pumpster correct- of course he is. plax draws cover 2 or some other variance of pass coverage. he forces the saftey on the side he lines up on to drift to him in coverage at the very least. without him secondaries can run man and easily contain the giants remaining receivers.
jacobs missing is also key. he leads the team in rushing. he runs down hill. he breaks down defenses and tires them out and sets the table of ward and bradshaw late in the game. he's a truck that you have to stop, you have to line up 8 even 9 in the box to stop him and even after contact he still picks up yardage. bottom line is he moves the sticks in situations the other two backs can't. he also pass protects well, something they could have used against the dallas pass rush yesterday.
is body 88 correct- of course he is. a team is more than one or two players, it's a sum of it's parts. bradshaw averages one yard a carry more than jacobs, he just doesn't get as many touches, so his accumulated totals are lower. both he and ward can move the ball. it's the o-line that forgot to get on the plane to irving that lost that game for them last nite, as there was nowhere to run. i don't care who you are, if your o-line isn't making holes your running game is going nowhere.
plaxico being out is very key but this is easily overcome and leads back to the o-line again. run the ball. force that safety to stack up. loosen up the secondary. get yardage on the ground. the team that averages a 160 yards a game on the ground hasn't exisited in the last 3 outings. this ability translates clearly to the giants passing game, and is not limited to one person.
your both right. you just disagree on the extent to which the loss of those players means to that team. but there is no arguing it, it is tangible.
Lol, at missing two players being an excuse as to why the Giants are stinking it up. One of those players you say is inferior to their current rb.
I get that, but my beef was not with the Giants....it was with the clown who claimed they where losing because they lost two players. Every single team in the NFL has injuries (about 90% have many more than the Gaints), and they will be the first to tell you injuries = excuses.
looks like of all things, a giants fan is going to have to the voice of reason. who would have thought
quotejacobs missing is also key. he leads the team in rushing. he runs down hill. he breaks down defenses and tires them out and sets the table of ward and bradshaw late in the game
plexico not being there didnt hurt them imho they have played numerous games without him this season and did just fine, im not saying he wouldnt have helped maybe but they certainly where more than capable of winning. Jacobs being out hurt them imo but they still have good RB's other than jacobs and didnt get the job done. Their offensive line was shit last night manning had been sacked 6 times when i turned the T.V. off and who knows how many times he had been pressured over the course of the night. Their defense did a decent job nothing outstanding romo dallas wasnt clicking on offense just like NY wasnt but even if both offenses where on and NY had jacobs and burress i think dallas still would have won.
Ridiculous, no one else but you keeps reverting to comparisons with NE because you're such a homer it's embarassing.
Pretty much my thoughts. He some-how includes his teams injuries in every single discussion. Please stfu.
Bradshaw gave up atleast 2 sacks yesterday, neither backs can pp. This is something jacobs is excellent at. Body is a complete fool because he just think's the 2 best weapons for the gmen don't mean shit. I mean, after all the pats have 14 guys on IR right? ::)
Learn the game better; two of their three key offensive skill position players are out. And i gave other reasons. Absolutely no relation to how many are out in NE, you're obsessed and a one-track mind on NE.
Pretty much my thoughts. He some-how includes his teams injuries in every single discussion. Please stfu.
Bradshaw gave up atleast 2 sacks yesterday, neither backs can pp. This is something jacobs is excellent at. Body is a complete fool because he just think's the 2 best weapons for the gmen don't mean shit. I mean, after all the pats have 14 guys on IR right? ::)
Ridiculous, no one else but you keeps reverting to comparisons with NE because you're such a homer it's embarassing.
I'm not a strong giants fan actually.Lie.....You say that about every team, yet you go crazy when anyone talks bad about the Giants, haha.
You've made the mistake of lumping the other two backs together when in fact Bradshaw might well be an adequate replacement for Jacobs. As i already pointed out, we don't know because he doesn't get much playing time.You called him a better back in another thread, and the fact that you are making excuses for the Giants when they lost two players is laughable. Pretty sure every team in the NFL would like some of their best players back.
If "body" were smarter:
-He would stop being such a homer-he has no objectivity whatsoever and always brings a conversation back to NE-LAME.
-He would realize that this sleepy board needs dispirate opinions, and CALM DOWN when they're expressed...DUH
As i mentioned, it's a combo of factors including Burris' long-term (not short-term) absense, the fact that they continued to use their least-effective RB, the adverse distraction of the Burris affair (plays on teams' psyche big-time, doesn't take much) and the usual seasonal dip that all teams go thru and even require for the rest of the grind of the season.come on man they had a week long press escapade about the situation in dallas thats a cop out in my opinion. I think that NY is definitly a better team than Dallas is but like i said even with jacobs and burris the way they played with their O line and defense they still would have lost.
If they play well next game, even if they don't win, they're back on track. Carolina's not that strong on the road.
A laughable and insane post, by pumpster. Anyone who insults people in a discussion like you do cannot be very mature. 50 going on 13, hahahaha!!!! I didn't insult you, yet you act like an asshole.....great job, your a web terd ::)
come on man they had a week long press escapade about the situation in dallas thats a cop out in my opinion. I think that NY is definitly a better team than Dallas is but like i said even with jacobs and burris the way they played with their O line and defense they still would have lost.
Think about it. The lines didn't all of a sudden go from great to nothing, that's a mental problem on the oline related both to the team being flat, related to the Burris diversion, a normal mid-season dip, etc. and the fact that they've not been able to consistently run the ball. Only partially due to Jacobs' being out, they really haven't found out if they could do it with another good back like Bradshaw, haven't tried it. The other back they've stuck with is just average.LOL and what of whitten and owens and romo and barber dude they had alot of shit talked about them this past week and they seemed to play decent so this only effects the giants O line? again cop out The dallas defense did a great job last night and thats why the O line looked like shit and they couldnt get anything started NOT b/c of burris and his antics or jacobs being out.
The dallas defense did a great job last night and thats why the O line looked like shit and they couldnt get anything started NOT b/c of burris and his antics or jacobs being out.
Im not saying there where not other circumstances that didnt have anything to do with them winning but THE MAIN REASON THEY WON is b/c they outplayed the giants PLAIN AND SIMPLE and again regardless of whether they had jacobs and burris and w/o all his shit dallas still would have won b/c the OUTPLAYED them. You keep adding more and more shit hey how about the tempreture being 74 instead of 63 and hey how about the humidity in dallas...lol ::) dude plain and simple giants got outplayed
Nice try, but WRONG. Wrong because in life and in football my friend, it's usually not one reason..
The boys played played at a much higher level because they had to. The giant's didn't have their backs against the wall. Biiiiiig difference..
Add in all those other things i've already mentioned..
BINGO...it wasn't just the cowboys playing great, no way. TOO SIMPLE - that's what i now refer to as "body88 simple" logic.. ;)
Nice try, but WRONG. Wrong because in life and in football my friend, it's usually not one reason..
The boys played played at a much higher level because they had to. The giant's didn't have their backs against the wall. Biiiiiig difference..
Add in all those other things i've already mentioned..
BINGO...it wasn't just the cowboys playing great, no way. TOO SIMPLE - that's what i now refer to as "body88 simple" logic.. ;)
THE MAIN REASON THEY WON is b/c they outplayed the giants PLAIN AND SIMPLE and again regardless of whether they had jacobs and burris and w/o all his shit dallas still would have won b/c the OUTPLAYED them. You keep adding more and more shit hey how about the tempreture being 74 instead of 63 and hey how about the humidity in dallas...lol ::) dude plain and simple giants got outplayed
Only a person who thinks they are very smart makes things more complicated than they really are. A good example of this is most of your posts. That simple logic you speak of is reality , and your excuses for a team missing two players is legendary. You won't recover.
The Cowboys played better than the Giants, and you are making excuses for injuries when everyone has them as bad or far worse than the Giants. Face it pump, you are already making excuses.
The posts are long-winded and one-dimensional, in other words BORING. Your views aren't objective, so who cares?
You're completely, utterly biased-the worst kinda homer AND are a beligerent hothead. Not an impressive moderator!!
Hope this helps. ;)
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the best team not to make the playoffs ever..These fags didnt make the fuckin playoffs...they suck