ESPN and the Giants

[body88]

I tuned into ESPN to see the highlights from the Giants game just now.......and I was laughing my ass off at the IDIOT announcers who where trying to make excuses for this football team.  One of the goofs, said "the Giants where missing there #1 receiver and their running back".  Wow, that is the mother of all excuses.  First off, I'm pretty sure every team in the NFL has one of their best players on IR or out for the season.....secondly, Jacobs backup is a fine running back.  The pats (and many other teams) have MASSIVE injuries, and these CT homers (Bristol = Giants country) are sitting there acting like the G-men lost because they where missing 2 players.  The Giants are one of the healthiest teams in the NFL, they just lost.

Oh brother    The G-men are clearly the best team in the NFL, but these goons are so insecure about this loss it's epic.  I'm wondering if any Giants fans are going to try to tell me the loss of two freaking players is the source of their recent woes.

[no one]

agreed.

the giants lost not because they were missing jacobs and plax, but because they are FLAT.

that's not to say missing plax doesn't hurt them in the air, as it does allow defenses to tighten up their secondaries alot without him lining up as he hurts you when you run man on him.

the giants are on a skid and playing like shit and there is NO excuse for it. manning and the receiving corps need to get on the same page and get their timing and routes down. manning is throwing the ball well and hitting his windows, but he's not getting alot of help from his o-line or his receivers.

the only bright spot on this team in the losses has been an ever present solid pass rush. spagnolo is one of the best d coordinators in the league and is a big reason the giants are where they are today, but the offense needs clamp shit down this upcoming week and get back to doing what they do best- making holes for the backs and giving manning time to make his reads as he gets nervous in a collapsing pocket.

sincerely,

a giants fan.

[body88]

agreed.

the giants lost not because they were missing jacobs and plax, but because they are FLAT.

that's not to say missing plax doesn't hurt them in the air, as it does allow defenses to tighten up their secondaries alot without him lining up as he hurts you when you run man on him.

the giants are on a skid and playing like shit and there is NO excuse for it. manning and the receiving corps need to get on the same page and get their timing and routes down. manning is throwing the ball well and hitting his windows, but he's not getting alot of help from his o-line or his receivers.

the only bright spot on this team in the losses has been an ever present solid pass rush. spagnolo is one of the best d coordinators in the league and is a big reason the giants are where they are today, but the offense needs clamp shit down this upcoming week and get back to doing what they do best- making holes for the backs and giving manning time to make his reads as he gets nervous in a collapsing pocket.

sincerely,

a giants fan.

I have no beef with the Giants.  Infact, they remind me of the 04 pats.  It's the damn announcers who piss me off.  Shit, the Giants pull players out of their ass that play well, two guys should mean nothing.  Who has drafted better than the Giants over the last 4 years.....No one (no pun).

[pumpster]

Absurd. They're in fact missing two of their top starting offensive players, to win without them was asking alot to begin with. Those aren't excuses, they're fact. Whatever drugs "body" is on, i want some, they're good. What an insanely subjective NE "homer".
 
AND they're flat, in part from a usual seasonable dip and also due to the Burris situation.

Add those things up they're huge factors, but surmountable IF the players have the collective desire to do it.

The Burris situation could affect the entire season, as happened late-season with Fairbanks in NE in the late 70s. OR, they can choose to refocus and get back to what they were just a little while ago-mainly a mental shift once injured players are back.

[Grape Ape]

I think the Giants have less wiggle room when they lose players due to the strength of their schedule.  Player losses are harder to overcome when you're in a stretch that looks like this:

Pittsburgh
Dallas
Philly
Baltimore
Arizona
Washington
Philly
Dallas
Carolina
Minny

It was bound to catch up with them.  All of body's points are pretty true about health, but the loss of their two major offensive weapons is going to have an impact when you have an insane run of teams like this coming at you.

[CalvinH]

I would never claim to be an expert but I noticed 2 things last night.
1. a few of those sacks were Mannings fault,he held the ball to long.
2.Jacobs does make a difference.to me watching it seemed that there were some holes and seems that Jacobs would of hit hard and picked up some extra yards.


...before the game it was said that some of the Cowboys said they were glad Jacobs was out because he not Plax was the guy they feared the most.

[Grape Ape]

The Giants did nothing to adapt to the blitz until it was too late.  No screens, quick slants, etc.  Nada.

I kept waiting to see the play calling change.

[pumpster]

2.Jacobs does make a difference.to me watching it seemed that there were some holes and seems that Jacobs would of hit hard and picked up some extra yards.

Could be that, or more likely the fact that they used their least-good back almost exclusively yesterday. For some reason (probably related to off-field stuff) they refuse to use Bradshaw. The coach is wary of using him thanks to off-field hijinks and whatever else happens in the locker room. Bradshaw's quite possibly the best back on the team, should've started the 2nd half at the least.

The Giants did nothing to adapt to the blitz until it was too late.  No screens, quick slants, etc.  Nada.

I kept waiting to see the play calling change.

Agreed. If they break out of this slump i'd expect to see that change.

[Grape Ape]

Could be that, or more likely the fact that they used their least-good back almost exclusively yesterday. For some reason (probably related to off-field stuff) they refuse to use Bradshaw. The coach is wary of using him thanks to off-field hijinks and whatever else happens in the locker room. Bradshaw's quite possibly the best back on the team, should've started the 2nd half at the least.

Given the success they had with Bradshaw last year, I've been asking this same question.  Before Jacobs' injury, the real reason was that they just didn't need him.  Now, it's a different story.  The guy finds holes that I never see on TV.  It's like he slips through cracks.

He could have been very effective at countering the blitzing, if used properly.

[pumpster]

Given the success they had with Bradshaw last year, I've been asking this same question.  Before Jacobs' injury, the real reason was that they just didn't need him.  Now, it's a different story.  The guy finds holes that I never see on TV.  It's like he slips through cracks.

He could have been very effective at countering the blitzing, if used properly.

Minor criminal charge last summer + being with Burris and Pierce 2 weeks ago, but i think the coach should have put that aside last night. Bradshaw got no shot, 3 carries late in the game.

Burris' absence is big as it affects how other teams play them. They might be able to get around it IF they regain focus and motivation.

[Grape Ape]

Motivation won't be an issue.

Burress drew a double team.  No other receiver on the Giants does that.  They just need to make adjustments, there's still tons of talent there.

[pumpster]

Motivation won't be an issue.

Nothing's guaranteed, some teams go in to a spiral, some don't. Unlikely here but posible, especially if they lose next weekend. As long as they play well they should be okm win or lose.

[Grape Ape]

Nothing's guaranteed, some teams go in to a spiral, some don't. Unlikely here but posible, especially if they lose next weekend.

If anything, it would motivate them more.

Even if they lose next week, it's not like they would give up on the season.

[Option D]

The Giants did nothing to adapt to the blitz until it was too late.  No screens, quick slants, etc.  Nada.

I kept waiting to see the play calling change.

right...im like "dude if D.Ware is breathin down your neck...run a freakin screen to his side or line up a slot to his side and run a quick slant" Fuck i thought they gonna do that atleast a couple of times to back them up...

[body88]

Absurd. They're in fact missing two of their top starting offensive players, to win without them was asking alot to begin with. Those aren't excuses, they're fact. Whatever drugs "body" is on, i want some, they're good. What an insanely subjective NE "homer".
 
AND they're flat, in part from a usual seasonable dip and also due to the Burris situation.

Add those things up they're huge factors, but surmountable IF the players have the collective desire to do it.

The Burris situation could affect the entire season, as happened late-season with Fairbanks in NE in the late 70s. OR, they can choose to refocus and get back to what they were just a little while ago-mainly a mental shift once injured players are back.

NE is missing 14 players (including many key starters).  Many other teams are missing many more players.  ESPN = excuse makers for Giants.  I love how I rip an ESPN anchor, and you act as if I ripped the Giants.  Pumpster, who is the ESPN host I am speaking about.  You didn't even see the report.

Lol, at missing two players being an excuse as to why the Giants are stinking it up.  One of those players you say is inferior to their current rb.

[no one]

ok kids...ok...

looks like of all things, a giants fan is going to have to the voice of reason. who would have thought

is pumpster correct- of course he is. plax draws cover 2 or some other variance of pass coverage. he forces the saftey on the side he lines up on to drift to him in coverage at the very least. without him secondaries can run man and easily contain the giants remaining receivers.

jacobs missing is also key. he leads the team in rushing. he runs down hill. he breaks down defenses and tires them out and sets the table of ward and bradshaw late in the game. he's a truck that you have to stop, you have to line up 8 even 9 in the box to stop him and even after contact he still picks up yardage. bottom line is he moves the sticks in situations the other two backs can't. he also pass protects well, something they could have used against the dallas pass rush yesterday.

is body 88 correct- of course he is. a team is more than one or two players, it's a sum of it's parts. bradshaw averages one yard a carry more than jacobs, he just doesn't get as many touches, so his accumulated totals are lower. both he and ward can move the ball. it's the o-line that forgot to get on the plane to irving that lost that game for them last nite, as there was nowhere to run. i don't care who you are, if your o-line isn't making holes your running game is going nowhere.

plaxico being out is very key but this is easily overcome and leads back to the o-line again. run the ball. force that safety to stack up. loosen up the secondary. get yardage on the ground. the team that averages a 160 yards a game on the ground hasn't exisited in the last 3 outings. this ability translates clearly to the giants passing game, and is not limited to one person.

your both right. you just disagree on the extent to which the loss of those players means to that team. but there is no arguing it, it is tangible.

[body88]

ok kids...ok...

looks like of all things, a giants fan is going to have to the voice of reason. who would have thought

is pumpster correct- of course he is. plax draws cover 2 or some other variance of pass coverage. he forces the saftey on the side he lines up on to drift to him in coverage at the very least. without him secondaries can run man and easily contain the giants remaining receivers.

jacobs missing is also key. he leads the team in rushing. he runs down hill. he breaks down defenses and tires them out and sets the table of ward and bradshaw late in the game. he's a truck that you have to stop, you have to line up 8 even 9 in the box to stop him and even after contact he still picks up yardage. bottom line is he moves the sticks in situations the other two backs can't. he also pass protects well, something they could have used against the dallas pass rush yesterday.

is body 88 correct- of course he is. a team is more than one or two players, it's a sum of it's parts. bradshaw averages one yard a carry more than jacobs, he just doesn't get as many touches, so his accumulated totals are lower. both he and ward can move the ball. it's the o-line that forgot to get on the plane to irving that lost that game for them last nite, as there was nowhere to run. i don't care who you are, if your o-line isn't making holes your running game is going nowhere.

plaxico being out is very key but this is easily overcome and leads back to the o-line again. run the ball. force that safety to stack up. loosen up the secondary. get yardage on the ground. the team that averages a 160 yards a game on the ground hasn't exisited in the last 3 outings. this ability translates clearly to the giants passing game, and is not limited to one person.

your both right. you just disagree on the extent to which the loss of those players means to that team. but there is no arguing it, it is tangible.

I get that, but my beef was not with the Giants....it was with the clown who claimed they where losing because they lost two players.  Every single team in the NFL has injuries (about 90% have many more than the Gaints), and they will be the first to tell you injuries = excuses.

[pumpster]

Lol, at missing two players being an excuse as to why the Giants are stinking it up.  One of those players you say is inferior to their current rb.

Learn the game better; two of their three key offensive skill position players are out. And i gave other reasons. Absolutely no relation to how many are out in NE, you're obsessed and a one-track mind on NE.

[pumpster]

I get that, but my beef was not with the Giants....it was with the clown who claimed they where losing because they lost two players.  Every single team in the NFL has injuries (about 90% have many more than the Gaints), and they will be the first to tell you injuries = excuses.

Ridiculous, no one else but you keeps reverting to comparisons with NE because you're such a homer it's embarassing.

looks like of all things, a giants fan is going to have to the voice of reason. who would have thought

I'm not a strong giants fan actually.

quotejacobs missing is also key. he leads the team in rushing. he runs down hill. he breaks down defenses and tires them out and sets the table of ward and bradshaw late in the game

You've made the mistake of lumping the other two backs together when in fact Bradshaw might well be an adequate replacement for Jacobs. As i already pointed out, we don't know because he doesn't get much playing time.

[tonymctones]

plexico not being there didnt hurt them imho they have played numerous games without him this season and did just fine, im not saying he wouldnt have helped maybe but they certainly where more than capable of winning. Jacobs being out hurt them imo but they still have good RB's other than jacobs and didnt get the job done. Their offensive line was shit last night manning had been sacked 6 times when i turned the T.V. off and who knows how many times he had been pressured over the course of the night. Their defense did a decent job nothing outstanding romo dallas wasnt clicking on offense just like NY wasnt but even if both offenses where on and NY had jacobs and burress i think dallas still would have won.

[pumpster]

plexico not being there didnt hurt them imho they have played numerous games without him this season and did just fine, im not saying he wouldnt have helped maybe but they certainly where more than capable of winning. Jacobs being out hurt them imo but they still have good RB's other than jacobs and didnt get the job done. Their offensive line was shit last night manning had been sacked 6 times when i turned the T.V. off and who knows how many times he had been pressured over the course of the night. Their defense did a decent job nothing outstanding romo dallas wasnt clicking on offense just like NY wasnt but even if both offenses where on and NY had jacobs and burress i think dallas still would have won.

As i mentioned, it's a combo of factors including Burris' long-term (not short-term) absense, the fact that they continued to use their least-effective RB, the adverse distraction of the Burris affair (plays on teams' psyche big-time, doesn't take much) and the usual seasonal dip that all teams go thru and even require for the rest of the grind of the season.

If they play well next game, even if they don't win, they're back on track. Carolina's not that strong on the road.

[2ND COMING]

Ridiculous, no one else but you keeps reverting to comparisons with NE because you're such a homer it's embarassing.

Pretty much my thoughts. He some-how includes his teams injuries in every single discussion. Please stfu.

Bradshaw gave up atleast 2 sacks yesterday, neither backs can pp. This is something jacobs is excellent at. Body is a complete fool because he just think's the 2 best weapons for the gmen don't mean shit. I mean, after all the pats have 14 guys on IR right?

[pumpster]

Pretty much my thoughts. He some-how includes his teams injuries in every single discussion. Please stfu.

Bradshaw gave up atleast 2 sacks yesterday, neither backs can pp. This is something jacobs is excellent at. Body is a complete fool because he just think's the 2 best weapons for the gmen don't mean shit. I mean, after all the pats have 14 guys on IR right?

If "body" were smarter:

-He would stop being such a homer-he has no objectivity whatsoever and always brings a conversation back to NE-LAME.

-He would realize that this sleepy board needs dispirate opinions, and CALM DOWN when they're expressed...DUH

[body88]

Learn the game better; two of their three key offensive skill position players are out. And i gave other reasons. Absolutely no relation to how many are out in NE, you're obsessed and a one-track mind on NE.

So what? Lots have teams have skill position players missing.  Thats the NFL, cry about it.  Just get it done, remember?  The Giants only have one missing anyway, you said Jacobs backup was better than him.  I compared them to the pats ( who have lost far more important players like Tom Brady) and you don't hear ESPN clowns making excuses for them.  I also cited "other teams" when I said that.  It was not just the pats that I said, pay attention.  I also said the Giants where the best team in football, and that my rant was vs the ESPN guy who made the comment.

[body88]

Pretty much my thoughts. He some-how includes his teams injuries in every single discussion. Please stfu.

Bradshaw gave up atleast 2 sacks yesterday, neither backs can pp. This is something jacobs is excellent at. Body is a complete fool because he just think's the 2 best weapons for the gmen don't mean shit. I mean, after all the pats have 14 guys on IR right?

Two injuries and you're making excuses......what a laugh.  Everyone has injuries, period.  I cited the pats AND OTHER TEAMS when I made that statement.  You're nothing but a little troll, insulting me for stating my opinion.  Run along child.

I also called the Giants the best team in football, guess you missed that.