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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_gov_david_paterson_unveils_dire_new_york.html
In liberal hell where I live, the liberals are proposing raising 88 taxes including:
1. Gas tax hike.
2. Itunes tax
3. Soda Tax of 18%
4. Bus tax and Taxi Tax
They are also raising the amount of welfare that receipients get by 1/3 per month!
This is why I vote republican most of the time. They may be corrupt, but keep taxes lower than the democrats.
Its just amazing that fools in this state bought into the "hope" and "change" nonsense.
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thats horse shit yo
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An "iPod tax" that charges state and local sales tax for "digitally delivered entertainment services" - in other words, that new Beyonce song you download.
State sales tax at movie theaters, sporting events, taxis, buses, limousines and cable and satellite TV and radio.
Costlier driving with the repeal of the 8-cents-per-gallon sales tax cap on motor and diesel motor fuel, plus and increase in the auto rental tax.
Tuition increases at SUNY and CUNY, $620 and $600 a year respectively.
A 50 cent tax on cigars. The current tax is equal to 37% of the wholesale price, or 34 cents a cigar.
No more sales tax break on clothes and shoes worth $110 or less, except during two weeks a year.
Higher taxes on wine, beer and flavored malt beverages. And an 18% tax on non-nutritional drinks like soda.
The rich would pay more for luxury items through an additional 5% tax imposed on cars costing more than $60,000, aircraft costing more than $500,000, yachts costing at least $200,000 and jewelry and furs costing in excess of $20,000.
In addition, a host of a fees, including those related to motor vehicle licensing and registration, parks and auto insurance, would go up, as would various state-imposed fines.
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fuck this shit.
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This is why I vote republican most of the time. They may be corrupt, but keep taxes lower than the democrats.
Its just amazing that fools in this state bought into the "hope" and "change" nonsense.
It was the Dem governor paterson that created this. He followed a dem governor Spitzer. Before that, it was another dem, right?
It's what the ppl of NY state want.
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It was the Dem governor paterson that created this. He followed a dem governor Spitzer. Before that, it was another dem, right?
It's what the ppl of NY state want.
Before Spitzer was Republican George Pataki. Pataki served as a Republican New York Governor for 12 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pataki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pataki)
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Before Spitzer was Republican George Pataki. Pataki served as a Republican New York Governor for 12 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pataki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Pataki)
I need to get the heck out of here. This is just crazy.
Everything and anything is going to be taxed. Movies, buses, taxis, itunes, soda, everything.
Its warfare on the taxpayer.
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It was the Dem governor paterson that created this. He followed a dem governor Spitzer. Before that, it was another dem, right?
It's what the ppl of NY state want.
New York is run by civil disservice unions who rape the pension system, billionaire liberals like Maddoff, and welfare cheats from Russia, Mexico, the DR, and other hell holes, who all cause us to have the highest taxes in the nation.
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my mistake. I thought pataki was a dem too - he sure acted like one, on 911!
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my mistake. I thought pataki was a dem too - he sure acted like one, on 911!
All we have in NY are mostly liberal whack jobs and RINO's.
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And you have (had) hillary! :D
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And you have (had) hillary! :D
Now we are getting another limosuine liberal trust fund elitist Kennedy!
What a joke NY is.
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No offense 333386, but your state sucks almost as much as mine.
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No offense 333386, but your state sucks almost as much as mine.
This moron gov we have is trying to increase welfare payments by 1/3!
Hey Decker - is that what Hope and Change means?????
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This moron gov we have is trying to increase welfare payments by 1/3!
Hey Decker - is that what Hope and Change means?????
Decker thinks welfare is an American right.
If you don't want to work for a living, you are OWED a payoff, right bro?
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This is ludicrous. No matter your political views, most should agree on this being a horrible idea. Can the voters oppose this?
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This is ludicrous. No matter your political views, most should agree on this being a horrible idea. Can the voters oppose this?
I wrote a scathing letter to all my misrepresentatives this morning. I sent it via fax and first class mail.
New York is a perfect example of what is in store for this nation.
Everything and anything will be taxed out of existence.
Hope & Change!
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http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_gov_david_paterson_unveils_dire_new_york.html
In liberal hell where I live, the liberals are proposing raising 88 taxes including:
1. Gas tax hike.
2. Itunes tax
3. Soda Tax of 18%
4. Bus tax and Taxi Tax
They are also raising the amount of welfare that receipients get by 1/3 per month!
This is why I vote republican most of the time. They may be corrupt, but keep taxes lower than the democrats.
Its just amazing that fools in this state bought into the "hope" and "change" nonsense.
This is unreal.
It seems like the future is TAXES. One way or another, for what ever reason, taxes just go higher and higher.
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This is unreal.
It seems like the future is TAXES. One way or another, for what ever reason, taxes just go higher and higher.
Patterson is doing Obama a favor and paving the way for this on a federal level.
This is true liberalism on display!
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This has got to be opposed. I hope New Yorkers speak up in loud opposition.
You don't crucify people with taxation in a recession!
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Government will soon crawl up your ass to see what you ate so they can
tax appropriately, make sure you're healthy.
Commentary: Why we need an obesity tax :David Paterson
Like many New Yorkers, I remember a time when nearly everyone smoked. In 1950, Collier's reported that more than three-quarters of adult men smoked. This epidemic had a devastating and long-lasting impact on public health.
Today, we find ourselves in the midst of a new public health epidemic: childhood obesity.
What smoking was to my parents' generation, obesity is to my children's generation. Nearly one out of every four New Yorkers under the age of 18 is obese. In many high-poverty areas, the rate is closer to one out of three.
That is why, in the state budget I presented last Tuesday, I proposed a tax on sugared beverages like soda. Research has demonstrated that soft-drink consumption is one of the main drivers of childhood obesity.
For example, a study by Harvard researchers found that each additional 12-ounce soft drink consumed per day increases the risk of a child becoming obese by 60 percent. For adults, the association is similar.
If we are to succeed in reducing childhood obesity, we must reduce consumption of sugared beverages. That is the purpose of our proposed tax. We estimate that an 18 percent tax will reduce consumption by five percent.
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Government will soon crawl up your ass to see what you ate so they can tax appropriately, make sure you're healthy.
Commentary: Why we need an obesity tax :David Paterson
Like many New Yorkers, I remember a time when nearly everyone smoked. In 1950, Collier's reported that more than three-quarters of adult men smoked. This epidemic had a devastating and long-lasting impact on public health.
Today, we find ourselves in the midst of a new public health epidemic: childhood obesity.
What smoking was to my parents' generation, obesity is to my children's generation. Nearly one out of every four New Yorkers under the age of 18 is obese. In many high-poverty areas, the rate is closer to one out of three.
That is why, in the state budget I presented last Tuesday, I proposed a tax on sugared beverages like soda. Research has demonstrated that soft-drink consumption is one of the main drivers of childhood obesity.
For example, a study by Harvard researchers found that each additional 12-ounce soft drink consumed per day increases the risk of a child becoming obese by 60 percent. For adults, the association is similar.
If we are to succeed in reducing childhood obesity, we must reduce consumption of sugared beverages. That is the purpose of our proposed tax. We estimate that an 18 percent tax will reduce consumption by five percent.
this is a great idea, throw in a fast food tax as well shit at least that way there is some other benefit to it. Taxing itunes LOL i bet that will piss some ppl off hahaha, gas tax ya thats what we need higher gas prices again...these ppl are fuking idiots.
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Better health through taxation. It's an idea whose time has come. History will hail Paterson as the hero who saved a generation of New York kids.
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Better health through taxation. It's an idea whose time has come. History will hail Paterson as the hero who saved a generation of New York kids.
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at least that tax has an intrensic value to it what other value does taxing gas, taxi's, itunes have? nothing absolutely nothing. I think that these taxes are ridiculous but shit like I said at least that has some intrensic value to it.
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at least that tax has an intrensic value to it what other value does taxing gas, taxi's, itunes have? nothing absolutely nothing. I think that these taxes are ridiculous but shit like I said at least that has some intrensic value to it.
Taxing gas will save the environment (less CO emissions)
Taxing taxis will... umm... also save the environment (see above)
Taxing iTunes will also save the environment (less bandwidth used=smaller carbon footprint)
See? Paterson isn't only saving New York's kids, he's saving the environment through taxation! The man's a genius.
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Taxing gas will save the environment (less CO emissions)
Taxing taxis will... umm... also save the environment (see above)
Taxing iTunes will also save the environment (less bandwidth used=smaller carbon footprint)
See? Paterson isn't only saving New York's kids, he's saving the environment through taxation! The man's a genius.
What a humanitarian.
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Taxing gas will save the environment (less CO emissions)
Taxing taxis will... umm... also save the environment (see above)
Taxing iTunes will also save the environment (less bandwidth used=smaller carbon footprint)
See? Paterson isn't only saving New York's kids, he's saving the environment through taxation! The man's a genius.
LOL lets be honest ppl are still gonna use just as much gas its not something ppl will stop using, so it wont lessen emissions if ppl where willing to pay 4 bucks a gallon a tax wont stop them.
PPl are still gonna take taxis's b/c lets be honest whos gonna walk?
LOL you think those lefty ipod crazy libs are really gonna stop using their itunes? even if they did they would just increase illegal downloading so no
Fast food tax at least introduces some beneficial byproduct that could be seen quickly
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We are already nickle and dimed to death here.
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Well move 333...
It was a beautiful, sunny, 74 degrees in Charleston, SC yesterday. Nothing like wearing shorts on Christmas!
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Well move 333...
It was a beautiful, sunny, 74 degrees in Charleston, SC yesterday. Nothing like wearing shorts on Christmas!
Family, self employed, thick nu yawk accent.
Picture My Cousin Vinny with a shaved head and that's me.
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I figured...I was just giving you a hard time.
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I figured...I was just giving you a hard time.
Dont get me wrong, I would probably like being in the south more than here, its just no feasible right now.
I cant stand it here anymore.
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Yeah, get the hell out of there man.
Its behavior modification through government...the start of big brother is coming!
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That's nuts. Why would anyone want to live there?
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New York is run by civil disservice unions who rape the pension system, billionaire liberals like Maddoff, and welfare cheats from Russia, Mexico, the DR, and other hell holes, who all cause us to have the highest taxes in the nation.
"Civil disservice"? The 40-hour week, the paid vacation, the health benefits, paid overtime, retirement benefits are all battles THE UNIONS WON and the rest of the non-union workers benefit from. If what the unions have done for themselves directly and the rest of the workers indirectly is "civil disservice" then turn the fucking lights off and lock the door on the way out.
I agree with you on the fact that unions are not needed in a free market economy, but WE DO NOT LIVE IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY. There isn't a free market economy ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD at this point. It's a fallacy. A Lie. There is no "free" market. Put that in your head.
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We are already nickle and dimed to death here.
"We"? Who's "we"?
Speak for yourself.
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That's nuts. Why would anyone want to live there?
Because you're paid 3 times more than in other states while being taxed at pretty much the same rates ($ 2,500+- difference)?
Look, half of NY retires to Florida because they've got the dough to do so... NY ain't hell. I mean, some small paisan business owner (who, logic would tell you, should be pissed at the Walmarts of this world and is instead hellbent on blaming the current economic state of affairs on the unions) may make you believe it is a shithole, but the majority would agree it's a beautiful place to live in, with lot's of opportunity, personally and professionally.
Having said this, what is being discussed here is just a proposal just yet. Don't get me wrong, what Paterson is talking about will be done, but on a smaller scale.
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Because you're paid 3 times more than in other states while being taxed at pretty much the same rates ($ 2,500+- difference)?
Look, half of NY retires to Florida because they've got the dough to do so... NY ain't hell. I mean, some small paisan business owner (who, logic would tell you, should be pissed at the Walmarts of this world and is instead hellbent on blaming the current economic state of affairs on the unions) may make you believe it is a shithole, but the majority would agree it's a beautiful place to live in, with lot's of opportunity, personally and professionally.
Having said this, what is being discussed here is just a proposal just yet. Don't get me wrong, what Paterson is talking about will be done, but on a smaller scale.
Isn't the increased pay offset by the fact NYC is one of the most expensive cities in the world?
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"Civil disservice"? The 40-hour week, the paid vacation, the health benefits, paid overtime, retirement benefits are all battles THE UNIONS WON and the rest of the non-union workers benefit from. If what the unions have done for themselves directly and the rest of the workers indirectly is "civil disservice" then turn the fucking lights off and lock the door on the way out.
I agree with you on the fact that unions are not needed in a free market economy, but WE DO NOT LIVE IN A FREE MARKET ECONOMY. There isn't a free market economy ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD at this point. It's a fallacy. A Lie. There is no "free" market. Put that in your head.
Governmernt workers do not need to be unionized and ripp off the system. The taxpayers cannot afford the taxes anymore that go solely to pay for these people and their insane pensions and benes.
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Isn't the increased pay offset by the fact NYC is one of the most expensive cities in the world?
To some extent yes. But the pay is very, very good.
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Isn't the increased pay offset by the fact NYC is one of the most expensive cities in the world?
I live in westchester, the first county outside of NYC. Cops and civil service people make 125k a year and up and can retire at 50% pay after 20 years. They load up the last three years on overtime and then retire at about 75% to 100% of the base pay for life after only 20 years and get all health etc paid for.
What is the result????? highest taxes in the nation. We fools who pay taxes for this nonsense are the suckers.
The government civil disservice unions are like the Big 3, overpaid, not viable, and heading for a long needed collapse.
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Governmernt workers do not need to be unionized and ripp off the system.
How exactly are they "ripping off" the system?
The taxpayers cannot afford the taxes anymore that go solely to pay for these people and their insane pensions and benes.
Are union members not taxpayers themselves?
My wife works for the department of education of the city of NY, and I can attest PERSONALLY (not from a comment grabbed out of my ass) that her pension and benefit package is no better or worse than mine in the private world. Her pay is modest in comparison to the surrounding counties. The only thing that changes is that when she retires she will have a monthly check to collect from the City of NY for all the years of service. Is that what you call "ripping off" the system? I hate to break it to ya, but there is something like it in place nationwide, it's called Social Security. Hell, it seems as though everyone is ripping everyone else off in this country.
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How exactly are they "ripping off" the system?
Are union members not taxpayers themselves?
My wife works for the department of education of the city of NY, and I can attest PERSONALLY (not from a comment grabbed out of my ass) that her pension and benefit package is no better or worse than mine in the private world. Her pay is modest in comparison to the surrounding counties. The only thing that changes is that when she retires she will have a monthly check to collect from the City of NY for all the years of service. Is that what you call "ripping off" the system? I hate to break it to ya, but there is something like it in place nationwide, it's called Social Security. Hell, it seems as though everyone is ripping everyone else off in this country.
Where do you want me start? The cops??? Do you realize the OT fraud and ticket writing and arrest schemes that go on to pad the OT which gets put into the pension????
The firemen?
Government workers in westchester are running the same scams as Maddoff on the taxpayer. Garbage men make 100k in yonkers as do grass cutters.
People are fleeing NY because of the taxes imposed to support this garbage.
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I live in westchester, the first county outside of NYC. Cops and civil service people make 125k a year and up and can retire at 50% pay after 20 years. They load up the last three years on overtime and then retire at about 75% to 100% of the base pay for life after only 20 years and get all health etc paid for.
What is the result????? highest taxes in the nation. We fools who pay taxes for this nonsense are the suckers.
I live in Chappaqua myself and pay a lot in taxes. I speak only for myself, not on behalf of everyone like you do, and I, like I said before, do not mind paying 15k in property taxes. AT ALL. I have kids attending the 17th best school in the nation, where about 47% of the students end up being accepted in ivy-league schools. The town is kept clean. The last time someone got robbed was back in 1976. I mean, what can I say? If you do not like paying the taxes then you should seriously consider moving to another part of the area. I bet you do not mind getting paid the 15-20% extra for what you sell, compared to other areas of WC, because you live in a prime real estate zone though...
The government civil disservice unions are like the Big 3, overpaid, not viable, and heading for a long needed collapse.
Like I said, my wife works for the DoE of the city of NY and I can attest PERSONALLY that she IS NOT getting overpaid. She IS NOT. You are LYING.
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Where do you want me start? The cops??? Do you realize the OT fraud and ticket writing and arrest schemes that go on to pad the OT which gets put into the pension????
The firemen?
Government workers in westchester are running the same scams as Maddoff on the taxpayer. Garbage men make 100k in yonkers as do grass cutters.
You're talking about cops? That is all the union is? Cops? Are you applying something that may be happening (I'd love to see some information on it) in a particular department in a particular town to ALL? Are you for real paisan?
People are fleeing NY because of the taxes imposed to support this garbage.
Wow! Wow! Where do you get this information from?
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I live in Chappaqua myself and pay a lot in taxes. I speak only for myself, not on behalf of everyone like you do, and I, like I said before, do not mind paying 15k in property taxes. AT ALL. I have kids attending the 17th best school in the nation, where about 47% of the students end up being accepted in ivy-league schools. The town is kept clean. The last time someone got robbed was back in 1976. I mean, what can I say? If you do not like paying the taxes then you should seriously consider moving to another part of the area. I bet you do not mind getting paid the 15-20% extra for what you sell, compared to other areas of WC, because you live in a prime real estate zone though...
Like I said, my wife works for the DoE of the city of NY and I can attest PERSONALLY that she IS NOT getting overpaid. She IS NOT. You are LYING.
What does she get paid?
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Hey look at this way......Obama said he was going to lower taxes on the middle class ::)
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What does she get paid?
She's in the 60k range.
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I live in Chappaqua myself and pay a lot in taxes. I speak only for myself, not on behalf of everyone like you do, and I, like I said before, do not mind paying 15k in property taxes. AT ALL. I have kids attending the 17th best school in the nation, where about 47% of the students end up being accepted in ivy-league schools. The town is kept clean. The last time someone got robbed was back in 1976. I mean, what can I say? If you do not like paying the taxes then you should seriously consider moving to another part of the area. I bet you do not mind getting paid the 15-20% extra for what you sell, compared to other areas of WC, because you live in a prime real estate zone though...
Like I said, my wife works for the DoE of the city of NY and I can attest PERSONALLY that she IS NOT getting overpaid. She IS NOT. You are LYING.
Here is why you are FOS. You and I both know that people in /yonkers, Mt. Vernon and New Ro pay very high taxes too yet have busing and bad schools.
Why should you be able to get a better "public education" for your kids than those in Yonkers or /mt /vernon?
Are not those kids just as deserving of a good education??????? What if your kids had to get bused to another school yet you still had to pay high taxes?????
I sense a lot of NIMBY in your posts.
BTW - do you read lohud.com??????
There is a scandal a day with the unions and the gross overtime abuses the taxpayers in Westchester have to deal with.
Read lohud.com and every week a new scandal comes out about the overtime abuse by the unions.
BTW - New York and CA are losing domestic population to the southern states.
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Here is why you are FOS. You and I both know that people in /yonkers, Mt. Vernon and New Ro pay very high taxes too yet have busing and bad schools.
Yes, and I agree that you may be overtaxed for the services the town offers, but it is up to you and the rest of the parents to fight with your mayor and his cronies to keep him/her in check. We do that here in the northern part of Westchester County. I am lucky in the sense that I live in a very active community full of lawyers, and accountants and (absolutely) nothing gets through them when a town mandate is brought forth. The mayor KNOWS he is being watched, every document scrutinized and every employee supervised. Once in a while you hear of a maintenance guy milking the OT for a month, but when found out he gets Da Call and end of story. Now, this requires an ACTIVE community, one that does not mind taking a day off to sit at a town hearing for 2 hours and taking notes and actually paying attention and then sharing the knowledge. This is what is missing in some of the hamlets in some other parts of WC.
Why should you be able to get a better "public education" for your kids than those in Yonkers or /mt /vernon?
And you know what? I agree. Now, why the unions get the blame for the failure of your educational system is beyond me, STILL. Putting the blame of the failure of your education system on the unions is like putting the blame on the Player's Association for the failure of the NBA. Laughable at best. A successful education system requires the active participation from parents. The problem is some parents think schooling is like the military.
BTW - do you read lohud.com???
No I don't. I do know lower Westchester's schools and it's system has deteriorated somewhat.
There is a scandal a day with the unions and the gross overtime abuses the taxpayers in Westchester have to deal with.
Read lohud.com and every week a new scandal comes out about the overtime abuse by the unions.
Look, the only story I've read about union excesses in Chappaqua I've read in Northern Westchester (newspaper) about some sucker who stiffed the system of $ 1,300 by double booking part of his per-session. Heck, Spitzer's sex-related expenses cost a lot more (per jerk mind you).
New York and CA are losing domestic population to the southern states.
And this is because of the unions? ??? ??? I know the population of the city has stabilized somewhat since the 50s, but it has a lot to do with a whole generation of baby-boomers (aka "snow birds") moving to Florida and some lost souls seeking cheaper real estate (because their companies have moved to Florida or other southern states).
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How many blacks and hispanics are in Chappaqua schools??????
You live in the whitest area in the county.
Additionally, the fixed costs to pay for insane civil service employees pensions and health care makes it such that taxes cant ever go down here without consessions, which they wont do.
Westchester is now the highest taxed county in the nation and maybe in your little bubble of clinton land in chappaqua is fine, but the rest of the county is not.
For one, I am looking to move myself and business elsewhere because I A sick of paying these taxes.
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How many blacks and hispanics are in Chappaqua schools??????
You live in the whitest area in the county.
Additionally, the fixed costs to pay for insane civil service employees pensions and health care makes it such that taxes cant ever go down here without consessions, which they wont do.
Westchester is now the highest taxed county in the nation and maybe in your little bubble of clinton land in chappaqua is fine, but the rest of the county is not.
For one, I am looking to move myself and business elsewhere because I A sick of paying these taxes.
Yes, this hamlet is a very segregated place, I admit to that, but that does not mean that your community cannot organize. Try it one day. Get together with your neighbors, plant to attend, all of yous, a city/hamlet meeting and when you get there just watch the officials put on the "Oh. Shit." look on their faces. Ask for documents, ask to see some balance sheets, how money is being spent on education and so on (the Freedon of Information Act allows you to do that). Once these officials know that you will be inspecting the documents they will listen. Remember, they count on your ambivalence.
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I live in westchester, the first county outside of NYC. Cops and civil service people make 125k a year and up and can retire at 50% pay after 20 years. They load up the last three years on overtime and then retire at about 75% to 100% of the base pay for life after only 20 years and get all health etc paid for.
What is the result????? highest taxes in the nation. We fools who pay taxes for this nonsense are the suckers.
The government civil disservice unions are like the Big 3, overpaid, not viable, and heading for a long needed collapse.
Why do you live there?
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Why do you live there?
Woodlawn area of Yonkers. On the Bronx border.
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Woodlawn area of Yonkers. On the Bronx border.
No I mean why do you live there when it's so expensive?
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No I mean why do you live there when it's so expensive?
1. Family and friends
2. I am self employed and cant just pick up and move that easily.
3. Did my cousin vinny fit in that well in alabama???
I hate it here and am making plans, now is not the time though since i cant sell my place at a decent price, I rely on my clients for income, and starting a new business in a new location right now would be very difficult.
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1. Family and friends
2. I am self employed and cant just pick up and move that easily.
3. Did my cousin vinny fit in that well in alabama???
I hate it here and am making plans, now is not the time though since i cant sell my place at a decent price, I rely on my clients for income, and starting a new business in a new location right now would be very difficult.
Ah so. Makes sense.
Vinny did just fine in Alabama. He won didn't he? :)
Good luck with the move.