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How often do you guys cycle on an off your TRT (HRT) or do you just stay on 365 days per year? What is your cycle strategy?
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i think you probably need to work out a little bit to sustain muscle when you cruising. maybe full body workout once per week. just something to keep it.
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This last cycle I did I took off for two and a half months. I monitor my blood work, and I also listen to how my body feels. I like being on TRT, but some times I just feel like I need to come off completely. I rarely come off, and probably wont come off for a long while.
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Bump. Bout to go on Androgel. Wondering where the TRT/HRT cyclers are at...
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If you are truely on HRT for hypogonadism, you will NEVER "cycle" off. This on and off shit some GP doctors have their patients doing makes absolutely no sense hormonally or physiologically. If I had a diagnosis of hypogonadism (which I do) and my doctor told me to go off what I'm taking, I'd change doctors. All thats asking for is the crash that led for me to be put on those drugs in the first place. Its asanine.
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How often do you guys cycle on an off your TRT (HRT) or do you just stay on 365 days per year? What is your cycle strategy?
I usually go on long drawn cycles of six months or more.
When you stay on that long, your gains seem permanent.
If you decide to do this, it's important to taper off effectively and use of HCG will help you immensely.
DIV
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Division, do you taper and then 'cruise' (I hate the term, but it gets the point across) on minimal dose for a few weeks?
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If you are truely on HRT for hypogonadism, you will NEVER "cycle" off. This on and off shit some GP doctors have their patients doing makes absolutely no sense hormonally or physiologically. If I had a diagnosis of hypogonadism (which I do) and my doctor told me to go off what I'm taking, I'd change doctors. All thats asking for is the crash that led for me to be put on those drugs in the first place. Its asanine.
IME, you don't experience the "crash" if you take HCG during cycle and HCG, clomid, nolvadex and(or) Aromasin properly during PCT. The only reason my doctor wants me to come off periodically (6-8 weeks - twice per year) is to lessen the chance that my HPTA will shut down permantely.
I'm a relatively young guy. What if I want to have more kids?
Overall, he's trying to fix the fact that my test levels are in the low 200's, but without making things worse.
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IME, you don't experience the "crash" if you take HCG during cycle and HCG, clomid, nolvadex and(or) Aromasin properly during PCT. The only reason my doctor wants me to come off periodically (6-8 weeks - twice per year) is to lessen the chance that my HPTA will shut down permantely.
I'm a relatively young guy. What if I want to have more kids?
Overall, he's trying to fix the fact that my test levels are in the low 200's, but without making things worse.
Sperm bank?
What was it like having test in the low 200s?
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abc, get your doc to prescribe you HMG if you want to have kids, it will kick your sperm production in overdrive
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IME, you don't experience the "crash" if you take HCG during cycle and HCG, clomid, nolvadex and(or) Aromasin properly during PCT. The only reason my doctor wants me to come off periodically (6-8 weeks - twice per year) is to lessen the chance that my HPTA will shut down permantely.
I'm a relatively young guy. What if I want to have more kids?
Overall, he's trying to fix the fact that my test levels are in the low 200's, but without making things worse.
Get your sperm levels checked. Just becaue you are on a HRT dose doesn't automatically mean you are going to stop producing sperm. Its also completely possible to have no LH, but plenty of FSH so you are hypogonadal.
There's really one word for a guy who thinks legitimate HRT is a form of contraception: "Daddy".
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Division, do you taper and then 'cruise' (I hate the term, but it gets the point across) on minimal dose for a few weeks?
I stay at one dose throughout, intenceman.
No tapers.
The only time something like that would happen is if I'm coming off and switching to Prop for the last six weeks or so.
In that instance, there will be some drop-off because the levels of long-acting esters built up in the body are slowly dissipating while the short-acting Prop starts to take effect.
Once all the Sustanon is leveled off, there is a slight tapering effect.
DIV
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I stay at one dose throughout, intenceman.
No tapers.
The only time something like that would happen is if I'm coming off and switching to Prop for the last six weeks or so.
In that instance, there will be some drop-off because the levels of long-acting esters built up in the body are slowly dissipating while the short-acting Prop starts to take effect.
Once all the Sustanon is leveled off, there is a slight tapering effect.
DIV
Thanks, makes a lot of sense!
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I come off once in a while. I listen to my body. When I feel its time to come off I do. I feel its good to recover naturally sometimes regardless of what others might say. Ive felt some what of a crash coming off cycle, but not from just coming off of trt doses.
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I come off once in a while. I listen to my body. When I feel its time to come off I do. I feel its good to recover naturally sometimes regardless of what others might say. Ive felt some what of a crash coming off cycle, but not from just coming off of trt doses.
Those slight crashes are rough.......like baby anabolic steps downward.
As Trent Reznor would say "the anabolic downward spiral".
DIV
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Those slight crashes are rough.......like baby anabolic steps downward.
As Trent Reznor would say "the anabolic downward spiral".
DIV
No not really, because I will run a pct when I come off.
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It's a long story, but my doc seems to think I might be able to come off my trt shots and I am somewhat unfamiliar with the useage of HCG in helping this out a bit. What would be the protocol for this exactly when coming off for recovery purposes? Something like 250 IU twice a week starting about two weeks from the end of getting shots and continuing for about two weeks after.
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As Trent Reznor would say "the anabolic downward spiral".
DIV
"Trent Reznor" and "Anabolic" in the same sentence is as funny as the Az Cardinals and Super Bowl.
Just doesn't seem right ??? ;D
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"Trent Reznor" and "Anabolic" in the same sentence is as funny as the Az Cardinals and Super Bowl.
Just doesn't seem right ??? ;D
Don't think he's hitting the juice, but he's definitely been lifting. Probably on some GH though =) He's still a whopping 160lbs though heh.
Before
(http://nothing.nin.net/gif/t52.gif)
After
(http://blog.cohnwolfe.com/wolftracking/files/2007/04/trent.jpg)
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Holly Crap, he does have a muscle!
Guess Heroin + AAS is a good combo after all, who knew? :-\
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I think he's off the H these days, at least so he says. Their music is gone down hill as well so that's usually an indication they've gone drug free =)
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HAha that's the truth. Most great bands suffer once they start living a clean life.
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How often do you guys cycle on an off your TRT (HRT) or do you just stay on 365 days per year? What is your cycle strategy?
You are failing to understand what HRT is: hormone REPLACEMENT therapy. Ergo, replacing something you aint got, or aint got enough of to be healthy. Thus, you do not cycle HRT. HRT is not AAS cycling and should not be mistaken for such. If you are on HRT for the correct reasons, there is no reason to cycle as you always need the hormone in question to be healthy.
- Will @ BrinkZone.com
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I think most here understand what HRT is. For me I just feel the need to get off some times. I believe in listening to my body, and have even discussed with my Doc. Blood work is all in check, so for me I don't feel there is anything wrong with taking break.
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I think most here understand what HRT is. For me I just feel the need to get off some times. I believe in listening to my body, and have even discussed with my Doc. Blood work is all in check, so for me I don't feel there is anything wrong with taking break.
Which makes no sense. If you needed the HRT, your blood work would not be fine, it would tank, thus the reason you were on HRT. Either you don't actually need HRT, or you simply don't stay off long enough for your levels to tank to the point that got you on HRT in the first place. If you got on T as HRT because your total Y was say 200, and you when on HRT bringing you to 600, going off wll beirng you right back to 200 or lower (as you HPTA is not up to the task...) which means your blood work is not "in check." Knowing what HRT technically means and knowing what it really means are not always the same, thus asking if people "cycle HRT" If you can cycle it, you didn't need it in the first place. Capiche?
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Thanx for the education, but you know nothing of where my blood work is or what is going on with my body. I think my Doc and I have it handled just fine, with the blood work to back it up. Thanx again for your time.
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Thanx for the education, but you know nothing of where my blood work is or what is going on with my body. I think my Doc and I have it handled just fine, with the blood work to back it up. Thanx again for your time.
I'm just telling you the way HRT and physiology of HRT work, assuming we are talking T here. What you and your doc have worked out is another matter, I just gave you the facts as they exist. My guess is, you simply don't stay off long enough for levels to go back to what they were which prompted the HRT in the first place, but what ever works best for you. ;)
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I think different Docs may have different theories on what will work. I understand the theory behind getting on TRT and staying on, but sometimes I just feel the need to come off for a while. You are correct though, I don't come off for extended periods of time.
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I think different Docs may have different theories on what will work. I understand the theory behind getting on TRT and staying on, but sometimes I just feel the need to come off for a while. You are correct though, I don't come off for extended periods of time.
Brink's right with this one. What you are describing makes no sense to me physiologically. You will "crash" very quickly if you are hypogonadal and try to come off. Coming off does nothing but potentially screw yourself up even more.
The other thing that doesn't make sense is your described 'need to come off". I'll tell you from my own experience as someone with diagnosed hypogonadism, feeling a need to come off makes no sense either. You feel so much better once you get your test levels regulated, there is no way you want to go back to feeling like you did before (or at least I sure don't.).
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Brink's right with this one. What you are describing makes no sense to me physiologically. You will "crash" very quickly if you are hypogonadal and try to come off. Coming off does nothing but potentially screw yourself up even more.
The other thing that doesn't make sense is your described 'need to come off". I'll tell you from my own experience as someone with diagnosed hypogonadism, feeling a need to come off makes no sense either. You feel so much better once you get your test levels regulated, there is no way you want to go back to feeling like you did before (or at least I sure don't.).
Help me out with this a little more Vet. I take HCG in small doses three times per week to keep the testes working and prevent Lyedig cell death. But, what about keeping the rest of the HPTA working (the Hypothalamus and Pituitary)? Won't coming off at least make sure that part of the HPTA does not permanently shut down? I think that is what some doctors are trying to prevent by occasional off periods.
And by they way, you never really crash because you are taking HCG during the first part of the off period along with clomid/nolvadex the whole time, about the time your body would start to crash you go back on cycle. Supposedly it's just long enough to get everything back up to speed.
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Help me out with this a little more Vet. I take HCG in small doses three times per week to keep the testes working and prevent Lyedig cell death. But, what about keeping the rest of the HPTA working (the Hypothalamus and Pituitary)? Won't coming off at least make sure that part of the HPTA does not permanently shut down? I think that is what some doctors are trying to prevent by occasional off periods.
And by they way, you never really crash because you are taking HCG during the first part of the off period along with clomid/nolvadex the whole time, about the time your body would start to crash you go back on cycle. Supposedly it's just long enough to get everything back up to speed.
But then you are not off, you are simply on a different set of drugs. Cycling between T and HCG and Clomid, is an effective way to maintain T levels and maintain HPTA, but that's not remotely the same as simply going off. Personally, if one is HRT they are on for for a reason, which means their HPTA was not up to the task in the first place for what ever reason, so simply deal with the fact you are on HRT for life and move on. Yes, HCG will help keep them nads larger, and if that's a big deal to some, then by all means work with doc on the HCG and Clomid/Nolv cycles.
Will @ BrinkZone.com
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"Trent Reznor" and "Anabolic" in the same sentence is as funny as the Az Cardinals and Super Bowl.
Just doesn't seem right ??? ;D
Reznor was a sellout......
Ministry was real industrial.
DIV