Where did you see 60% of steroid users use at least 1gram of test per week?
Geez.... seriously, the recommended dose of these things is 400 to 600 mg. Isn't there a point of diminishing returns (IE: The negative side effects outweigh a marginal jump in gains)?
Or is that much just needed to keep on any size over 220 lbs, as some have mentioned?
Geez.... seriously, the recommended dose of these things is 400 to 600 mg.for anadrol, yeah, its about 500mg for the upper end of whats prescribed for the average weight guy, but thats PER DAY. 500mg per day. not per week.
harbor UCLA study from 2005 that i'm reading. it was web response, so of course the results will be off. But wow, who uses that much?
I don't think 1g of test a week is high
STEEEEEEEEEVEN: what is the BIGGEST cycle you have done in your life? Please give the names of the compounds and the mgs taken.
for anadrol, yeah, its about 500mg for the upper end of whats prescribed for the average weight guy, but thats PER DAY. 500mg per day. not per week.
recommend doseage for anadrol = 1-5mg per kg per day.
100kg bodybuilder using high end recommendtaion = 500mg anadrol per day.
http://www.anadrol.com/downloads/ANADROLPI.pdf
for anadrol, yeah, its about 500mg for the upper end of whats prescribed for the average weight guy, but thats PER DAY. 500mg per day. not per week.
recommend doseage for anadrol = 1-5mg per kg per day.
100kg bodybuilder using high end recommendtaion = 500mg anadrol per day.
http://www.anadrol.com/downloads/ANADROLPI.pdf
thats the dumbest goddamn thing you have ever said. 500mg anadrol per day? put down the pipe taylor, you have lost it.haha he has said some dumb things , are you sure here :D
Jason
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the biggest cycle I have done was 2g of test/week this summer with no other compound
edit: it was underground test if that should be noted
Crazy dosage for a person of your age.
How is the PCT after that cycle? Does it differ from a 500Mg cycle?
maybe the "Harbor UCLA study" was on top level IFBB pro bb'ers and top level strongmen and powerlifters, Jim.
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thats no shocker really..::)
most users probably starts off at 500 mg/w then ups the dosage. all the users at my gym told me 1 g+/ w... and all weaker than me lol...
Wow bullshit claims and a bullshit study. If everyone takes all this gear WHERE ARE ALL THE MONSTERS AT?exactly.
Wow bullshit claims and a bullshit study. If everyone takes all this gear WHERE ARE ALL THE MONSTERS AT?stavios took 2 g/ w and he's no "monster" really
stavios took 2 g/ w and he's no "monster" reallybullshit, stavios never took 2 grams a week and i'm calling bullshit on you being stronger than anyone on a gram a week. ::)
bullshit, stavios never took 2 grams a week and i'm calling bullshit on you being stronger than anyone on a gram a week. ::)
like I said, I did took 2g of test with nothing else for 6 weeks after the show to see what it would do.damn dude i didn't know that.
I got to 242 or 243 lbs
now I have been off since then
like I said, I did took 2g of test with nothing else for 6 weeks after the show to see what it would do.
I got to 242 or 243 lbs
now I have been off since then
How's your junk working following PCT? Still get a stiffy from a light breeze, or you are suffering from Dickus Limpus Aquiles Syndrome?
I am going to describe months by month.
I quited mid-august.
so mid-august to october, libido was still super high.
now, in october I noticed my libido was not as high as usual.
in november, my libido sucked ass. I could get it up but I just didn't want to fuck
and in december, everything is good again ! Just like old time .
I think it was not much because of the dosage but more because I stayed "on" for too long.
I won't exceed 10 weeks cycle from now on
maybe its not your thing stavios? jk big man ;D
stavios took 2 g/ w and he's no "monster" reallyMy point is if people are taking all these high dosages why dont we have more bigger local bodybuilders or general weight training enthusiaists? Is the weak link training, nutrition,gear knowledge,or quality of gear. Everyone always makes these high mgs claims and I think its bullshit. They are fucking up somewhere else
haha ;D
you know, I could pretty easily bullshit you guys and say I only used 250mg of test a week and that I have incredible genetics but I prefer to be honnest
Stav has recovered. Good work.
what was your PCT from mid-august to december as well?
My point is if people are taking all these high dosages why dont we have more bigger local bodybuilders or general weight training enthusiaists? Is the weak link training, nutrition,gear knowledge,or quality of gear. Everyone always makes these high mgs claims and I think its bullshit. They are fucking up somewhere else
(http://www.nutriworld.nl/album/281220061440/display/Watermark_34.jpg)
can you explain why a "man" your age is hanging out with a 13 years old ?
maybe, because I have pretty much only been using underground gear.UG is a big problem because nobody really knows how much active compound is in it. Your low dose human gade cycle will give you way better results. Keep us updated
so who knows.
for the next cycles it will be human grade only with smaller dosages
UG is a big problem because nobody really knows how much active compound is in it. Your low dose human gade cycle will give you way better results. Keep us updated
harbor UCLA study from 2005 that i'm reading. it was web response, so of course the results will be off. But wow, who uses that much?
Geez.... seriously, the recommended dose of these things is 400 to 600 mg. Isn't there a point of diminishing returns (IE: The negative side effects outweigh a marginal jump in gains)?
Or is that much just needed to keep on any size over 220 lbs, as some have mentioned?
Funny thing is, ever since the induction of the UGL and ultra-cheap steorids of ? quality, dosages have gone wayyyyyyyyy up. about 6 years ago when I first started doing research here were the common dosages that I remember.I definitely agree. I look back at older shows and remember the local level guys being much better.
Deca 400mg/week, a few crazy people went up to 600mg
Eq 400mg/week
Test 500mg/week, if you were at a gram, you were considered crazy.
Dbol 25mg/day
Anadrol about the same 50-150mg/day
Winstrol 50mg/day oral, 50mg EOD inject "not much change"
Parabolan when it was available, was 76mg, 1 amp E3D on average, people have really gone way overboard on the tren
Test propionate was 100mg EOD
Things have changed, however the bodies of the average gym rat sure haven't improved. In fact, I think they were better years ago.
People react differently to substances. Take ghb for example, a friend of mine is completely on another planet after a few nips, I drink a whole bottle and am still quite ok.
500 mg test for me, I might as well do no test at all FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING (yes HG stuff).
This shows what genetics encompass I would consider stavios good in the muscle building department naturally, however unfortunately for him his response to roids is crappy. Nothing you can do about it.
Well yes you can stavios: don't try to become a pro since it's obvious you'll be bancrupt or dead before you ge there LOL
People react differently to substances. Take ghb for example, a friend of mine is completely on another planet after a few nips, I drink a whole bottle and am still quite ok.
500 mg test for me, I might as well do no test at all FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING (yes HG stuff).
This shows what genetics encompass I would consider stavios good in the muscle building department naturally, however unfortunately for him his response to roids is crappy. Nothing you can do about it.
Well yes you can stavios: don't try to become a pro since it's obvious you'll be bancrupt or dead before you ge there LOL
nop the PCT stopped at the beginning of october.
exactly as the same time my libido dropped !
so it's safe to say that my HPTA was fucked up for a few weeks.
lesson learned !
thats the dumbest goddamn thing you have ever said. 500mg anadrol per day? put down the pipe taylor, you have lost it.i did not say it, jason, i only quoted what is recommended by the people who developed anadrol for treating anemia. when those patients are given anadrol, they are recommended to take 1-5 mg per day per kg of bodyweight. if a body builder is 100kg and wants tot ake anadrol in the high end of whats reccomended by the doctors who prescribe it, then they will be taking about 500mg per day.
Jason
::)again, refer to my post above, and alos to the link i provided.
Exactly.no it would not. in no way. anemia patients take that dosegae for weeks on end, with no "off cycle" and no "pct", and they are just fine. in fact, no deaths reported and nothing but improvements in their aanemia.
And the anadrol dose would kill you in a matter of weeks.
The Beef
no it would not. in no way. anemia patients take that dosegae for weeks on end, with no "off cycle" and no "pct", and they are just fine. in fact, no deaths reported and nothing but improvements in their aanemia.
check the link i posted.
Well you almost OD,d on HCG ;D;D ;D
thats the dumbest goddamn thing you have ever said. 500mg anadrol per day? put down the pipe taylor, you have lost it.
Jason
And the anadrol dose would kill you in a matter of weeks.
for anadrol, yeah, its about 500mg for the upper end of whats prescribed for the average weight guy, but thats PER DAY. 500mg per day. not per week.You would be having liver failure by the end of the week
recommend doseage for anadrol = 1-5mg per kg per day.
100kg bodybuilder using high end recommendtaion = 500mg anadrol per day.
http://www.anadrol.com/downloads/ANADROLPI.pdf
Tbombz is actually correct, most Anadrol patients when they did use anadrol to trea anemia took much higher dosages than bodybuilders ever did. And no, you liver won't melt. Toxicity of oral steroids is probably the biggest overexaggeration of all steroid myths. Not saying they're good for you liver, but not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.yes.
maybe the "Harbor UCLA study" was on top level IFBB pro bb'ers and top level strongmen and powerlifters, Jim.
my stocking had humalog jintropin testovix and norma deca :o
These so called studies are there only to persuade congress into believing that there is a huge steroid problem. Remember, highschool girls as young as 10 are taking winstrol to lose weight and 80% of highschool boys have used steroids at one time or another. Lastly, Santa brought me Dbol for Christmas.
for anadrol, yeah, its about 500mg for the upper end of whats prescribed for the average weight guy, but thats PER DAY. 500mg per day. not per week.
recommend doseage for anadrol = 1-5mg per kg per day.
100kg bodybuilder using high end recommendtaion = 500mg anadrol per day.
http://www.anadrol.com/downloads/ANADROLPI.pdf
People react differently to substances. Take ghb for example, a friend of mine is completely on another planet after a few nips, I drink a whole bottle and am still quite ok.
500 mg test for me, I might as well do no test at all FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING (yes HG stuff).
This shows what genetics encompass I would consider stavios good in the muscle building department naturally, however unfortunately for him his response to roids is crappy. Nothing you can do about it.
Well yes you can stavios: don't try to become a pro since it's obvious you'll be bancrupt or dead before you ge there LOL
20-30 years ago, when much less was taken.from all credible sources, the answer to this, is that this is not true. ask disgusted, van b, read the biography on arnold, talk to old timers, ... steroid abuse was as bad if not worse. and even worse, because back then, all their stuff was legit hg, and not underdosed. so 1 gram, was 1 gram. not 700 or 600 or even100mg.
Tbombz is actually correct, most Anadrol patients when they did use anadrol to trea anemia took much higher dosages than bodybuilders ever did. And no, you liver won't melt. Toxicity of oral steroids is probably the biggest overexaggeration of all steroid myths. Not saying they're good for you liver, but not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.
omg thats insane. i used 50mg of anapolan per day and put on 6 kg in the first week, and over a 4 week period put on 10kg and it stayed on.::) another internet genetic wonder who gains 25 pounds of miniscule amounts.
at 100mg to 500mg test per week i also put on plenty of size and had some nasty side effects too like mood, acne and gyno.
500mg is 5ml per week...5ml in one site is a large amount of fluid to be putting into a muscle.
1000mg is asking for trouble and lord 3000mg is, well ive said it... i cant see how the body could be processing this unless it ends up in your brian receptors and other unwanted areas.
hey- take another drug to counter it, right?....dumb dumb..
i love how the monkey see, monkey do approach still exists in BB..the dumbest of all sports, yet those who advocate it claim to be knowledgeable.
the truth is that as the amounts used are so high, they dont really know what works and how and why.
do a search for the tagochi method, or "design of experiments"...apply that, being cognisant of the body's "said process" and then formulate some polypharmacy. Without that theres no credibility.
the fact is that the general population using gear is no better than 20-30 years ago, when much less was taken. That's anecdotal and empirical. Unfortunately even then polypharm was big so we still dont really know.
part of the problem is that the lessons learnt from the 60s and 70s olympic programs have been ignored (cycling and dosing) and without following a strict, calculated and measured regime, its impossible to yield conclusions.
and so we have the only conclusion left- more is better. well duh, thats always going to apply- but at what cost?..eventually you'll find that more of a certain blend or type will get results..
its like comparing one big dumb engine to a formula 1 type running optimally. the big dumb one will eventually make the same horses, when it gets big enough..and itll spew emissions and have poor combustion and high losses and so on.
ill say it again, BBs are the dumbest demographic of all sports.
Tbombz is actually correct, most Anadrol patients when they did use anadrol to trea anemia took much higher dosages than bodybuilders ever did. And no, you liver won't melt. Toxicity of oral steroids is probably the biggest overexaggeration of all steroid myths. Not saying they're good for you liver, but not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.
::) another internet genetic wonder who gains 25 pounds of miniscule amounts.
i went from 72kg to 125kg over 6 years of small amounts, cycled and long off periods. how did you go bozo?..i did this while studying a tertiary degree and having little money to spend on fancy food and supplements. where'd you get your degree?hahahahhaa, bullshit. ::)
fuck ppl like you are dumb fucks and really shit me..
from all credible sources, the answer to this, is that this is not true. ask disgusted, van b, read the biography on arnold, talk to old timers, ... steroid abuse was as bad if not worse. and even worse, because back then, all their stuff was legit hg, and not underdosed. so 1 gram, was 1 gram. not 700 or 600 or even100mg.
i went from 72kg to 125kg over 6 years of small amounts, cycled and long off periods. how did you go bozo?..i did this while studying a tertiary degree and having little money to spend on fancy food and supplements. where'd you get your degree?roid rage.
fuck ppl like you are dumb fucks and really shit me..
hahahahhaa, bullshit. ::)
check out my pics on the steroid board where i weighed 106kg- less than 3 years into my training dickhead.post the link to the pictures, skinny.
wheres your pics arseface?
post the link to the pictures, skinny.
find them yourself dickmouth. then post yours.hahahahaha, another internet badass, you must be ashamed of the pics Mr. 189 pounds of skinny/fat. ;D
fucking dumb arse. id punch you in the face if we ever met. then ask you if you thought i was skinny.
omg thats insane. i used 50mg of anapolan per day and put on 6 kg in the first week, and over a 4 week period put on 10kg and it stayed on.
at 100mg to 500mg test per week i also put on plenty of size and had some nasty side effects too like mood, acne and gyno.
500mg is 5ml per week...5ml in one site is a large amount of fluid to be putting into a muscle.
1000mg is asking for trouble and lord 3000mg is, well ive said it... i cant see how the body could be processing this unless it ends up in your brian receptors and other unwanted areas.
hey- take another drug to counter it, right?....dumb dumb..
i love how the monkey see, monkey do approach still exists in BB..the dumbest of all sports, yet those who advocate it claim to be knowledgeable.
the truth is that as the amounts used are so high, they dont really know what works and how and why.
do a search for the tagochi method, or "design of experiments"...apply that, being cognisant of the body's "said process" and then formulate some polypharmacy. Without that theres no credibility.
the fact is that the general population using gear is no better than 20-30 years ago, when much less was taken. That's anecdotal and empirical. Unfortunately even then polypharm was big so we still dont really know.
part of the problem is that the lessons learnt from the 60s and 70s olympic programs have been ignored (cycling and dosing) and without following a strict, calculated and measured regime, its impossible to yield conclusions.
and so we have the only conclusion left- more is better. well duh, thats always going to apply- but at what cost?..eventually you'll find that more of a certain blend or type will get results..
its like comparing one big dumb engine to a formula 1 type running optimally. the big dumb one will eventually make the same horses, when it gets big enough..and itll spew emissions and have poor combustion and high losses and so on.
ill say it again, BBs are the dumbest demographic of all sports.
i suppose now youll make some lame comeback grasping at straws..thats what i expect.post.......your..........picture. :D
ive got mates who made the same gains..we all went to uni and trained and put on plenty of size over a long time frame. ive got mates who put on 40kg over the last 18 years of consistent, non using training also.
this crap here about not being able to get big without gear is just crap. and that you need big doses to get big is also BS.
you need to train hard, smart, eat, sleep and make the most of your energy. a little gear helps along the way and keeps the small gains coming.
a kilo or two every 3 months or so is probably too little for the impatient but over a long timeframe it really adds up. after a few years you realise that you've transformed.
or you can be impatient, lazy and blindly train like a dumb fuck and use huge amounts of gear and put on loads of muscle in a short timeframe then get stuck there- using more and more as your solution. finally to the point where you'll rationalise anything to support the approach.
ive seen it over and over- on both sides.
whats more is the ones who go down the dumb fuck path are the ones who end up with ruined marriages, bankrupt, drug dealers and/or in jail.
im done. take it or leave it ive got no more time to school you and your kind.
Bodybuilders are risk takers for sure. But would you say bodybuilders are dumber than guys doing Extreme Sports for example? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_sports)). An Alpinist may even count on losing a few fingers or toes at the very least.
I'm sure you've heard of the famous questionnaire where 80% of Olympic athletes would take a drug that gave them gold but killed them 5 years later.
Steroids have side effects but we know steroids aren't very dangerous even when overdosed in the extreme. When I say dangerous I mean as in "it could kill you". There's no LD50 for hormones.
actually i think BBs are dumber than them as a group. statistically, BBs who abuse drugs dont have a full deck up top. Regarding the olympic athlete thing, the rewards are very different compared to BB. The fact that the Olympics are mainstream and a measured objectively makes it a biased comparison.again........................where is the picture, post it here.
Now, theres no LD50 but there is an ever increasing body of evidence pointing towards psychological damage- objective and measured.
To QO. that pic has me at 6'1", 106kg (234lb) and thats after 2 weeks off and a week in hospital.
i dont know where you get 189lb from. again, you are making it all up to make yourself feel better and justify your pathetic existence and actions.
i really am done now. bye bye..
actually i think BBs are dumber than them as a group. statistically, BBs who abuse drugs dont have a full deck up top. Regarding the olympic athlete thing, the rewards are very different compared to BB. The fact that the Olympics are mainstream and a measured objectively makes it a biased comparison.
Now, theres no LD50 but there is an ever increasing body of evidence pointing towards psychological damage- objective and measured.