60% of steroid users use at least a gram of test per week

[Smokincrazy]

Funny thing is, ever since the induction of the UGL and ultra-cheap steorids of ? quality, dosages have gone wayyyyyyyyy up.  about 6 years ago when I first started doing research here were the common dosages that I remember.


Deca 400mg/week, a few crazy people went up to 600mg
Eq 400mg/week
Test 500mg/week, if you were at a gram, you were considered crazy.
Dbol 25mg/day
Anadrol about the same 50-150mg/day
Winstrol 50mg/day oral, 50mg EOD inject "not much change"
Parabolan when it was available, was 76mg, 1 amp E3D on average, people have really gone way overboard on the tren
Test propionate was 100mg EOD

Things have changed, however the bodies of the average gym rat sure haven't improved.  In fact, I think they were better years ago.

I definitely agree.  I look back at older shows and remember the local level guys being much better.  

[Rimbaud]

People react differently to substances. Take ghb for example, a friend of mine is completely on another planet after a few nips, I drink a whole bottle and am still quite ok.

500 mg test for me, I might as well do no test at all FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING (yes HG stuff).

This shows what genetics encompass I would consider stavios good in the muscle building department naturally, however unfortunately for him his response to roids is crappy. Nothing you can do about it.

Well yes you can stavios: don't try to become a pro since it's obvious you'll be bancrupt or dead before you ge there LOL

Amen.

[Stavios]

People react differently to substances. Take ghb for example, a friend of mine is completely on another planet after a few nips, I drink a whole bottle and am still quite ok.

500 mg test for me, I might as well do no test at all FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING (yes HG stuff).

This shows what genetics encompass I would consider stavios good in the muscle building department naturally, however unfortunately for him his response to roids is crappy. Nothing you can do about it.

Well yes you can stavios: don't try to become a pro since it's obvious you'll be bancrupt or dead before you ge there LOL

great post Moen, I completely agree.
At first I tought I was doing something wrong, not I realise I just have shit genetics.

luckily for me, my structure and shape will allow me to look OK even if I don't get super big

[dustin]

Props for being honest, Stav. Everyone reacts differently.

We have some decent UGL products up here in Canada but when I did a cycle of HG gear the difference was like night and day. I thought my genetics were even shittier than they really are, but a lot of it was to do with the UGL shit. Same dose, way more prominent gains.

There are SOME good UGL labs up here though, so I'd just stick with the ones that work well.. or just use HG. It's not too much more than UGL gear, especially seeing as how you've experimented and learned how to cycle properly. I've learned my lessons and won't do more than a 10 week cycle with a bit of tapering off at the end. Ran some test and tren and didn't lose a pound after coming off. Granted, I did do some hard dieting before going on cycle. Finished up with a small amount of GH and slin (just to keep insulin levels normal) and I feel absolutely fantastic. No libido problems either, despite still having high prolactin when I got my blood work.

You need to find out what works for your body and stick with it. Next cycle will probably be another short test/tren cycle, possibly with a bit of winny just so I can get ultra conditioned before going "off" again... I know people say that tapering is shit because you're either shut down or not, but I think it gave my nuts a chance to spring back to life without such a blunt halt in androgens. To learn how to come off gear is an art. Coming off gear can be fucking brutal but I think I only had 1 or 2 days after my cycle where I felt like utter trash about my physique. Looked in the mirror yesterday anticipating looking like shit from the gyms being closed, but I was looking full AND cut... it's usually one or the other. It's not all about the high doses of drugs. You just need to use them intelligently. High dose will yield great gains, but also tons of sides. Glide by with low doses and just be cognizant and observe the way your body responds to certain compounds.



For those who don't care about my verbal diarrhea, you don't HAVE to use huge doses. I think huge doses are from the big influx in UGL gear use, as well as the surge of bunk gear out there too (UGL and HG, underdosed or completely bunk shit). Also, some of those studies and reports are bullshit. Yeah, lots of people use tons of gear but 500mg of drol is enough to stop your liver cold in it's fucking tracks. Don't believe everything you hear on the internet or in the locker room. Everyone bullshits. Most people are probably using a ton more shit than they own up to, but conversely some of those doses would make you so sick you wouldn't be able to train. Just 20mg of m1t gave me such bad cramps I could hardly drink more than a liter of water a day. No more than 1000 calories went into my system because that shit knocked me out cold. I could hardly take a shit because my guts were so treacherous. Oral uses and dangers CAN and ARE overblown at times, but they are still harsh on your system when abused. Even at conservative doses it can wreak havoc. None of you fags get bloodwork so stop doing Google searches and close down PubMed because you are NOT a pharmacist or a doctor. Get some bloodwork and be prepared to be shocked.

[spinnis]

nop the PCT stopped at the beginning of october.
exactly as the same time my libido dropped !

so it's safe to say that my HPTA was fucked up for a few weeks.
lesson learned !

Well you almost OD,d on HCG 

[tbombz]

thats the dumbest goddamn thing you have ever said. 500mg anadrol per day? put down the pipe taylor, you have lost it.

Jason

i did not say it, jason, i only quoted what is recommended by the people who developed anadrol for treating anemia. when those patients are given anadrol, they are recommended to take 1-5 mg per day per kg of bodyweight. if a body builder is 100kg and wants tot ake anadrol in the high end of whats reccomended by the doctors who prescribe it, then they will be taking about 500mg per day.

[tbombz]

again, refer to my post above, and alos to the link i provided.

[tbombz]

Exactly.

And the anadrol dose would kill you in a matter of weeks.

The Beef

no it would not. in no way. anemia patients take that dosegae for weeks on end, with no "off cycle" and no "pct", and they are just fine. in fact, no deaths reported and nothing but improvements in their aanemia.

check the link i posted.

[dustin]

no it would not. in no way. anemia patients take that dosegae for weeks on end, with no "off cycle" and no "pct", and they are just fine. in fact, no deaths reported and nothing but improvements in their aanemia.

check the link i posted.

Competitive bodybuilders also aren't the pinnacle of health. You need to stop taking things out of context because you are very wrong, dude. Dangerously wrong. There are tons of other variables that are not being taken into account. It's not even worth it to pick apart that flawed logic.

[Stavios]

Well you almost OD,d on HCG 

 

[Van_Bilderass]

thats the dumbest goddamn thing you have ever said. 500mg anadrol per day? put down the pipe taylor, you have lost it.

Jason

Which part was dumb? How do you read the prescribing info for Anadrol? I do think that the dosage is probably on the lower end (mg per kg) for heavier guys and higher end for the lighter guys i.e. 500mg isn't probably ever prescribed. But I know 300mg/day has been used in aplastic anemia.

Powerlifters have been known to use 500mg/day of either dbol or drol but that's for like a week or two before meets. But powerlifters are crazier than bodybuilders. Some use very toxic horse painkillers to bloat for meets. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylbutazone

And the anadrol dose would kill you in a matter of weeks.

Kill you? No. Make you feel like shit, yes. 

Kamali said Dennis Wolf looked like he had used tons of Anadrol for the O. I wonder what kind of dosage that would be. 

[Luv_2build]

for anadrol, yeah, its about 500mg for the upper end of whats prescribed for the average weight guy,  but thats PER DAY. 500mg per day. not per week.   

recommend doseage for anadrol = 1-5mg per kg per day.

100kg bodybuilder using high end recommendtaion = 500mg anadrol per day.

http://www.anadrol.com/downloads/ANADROLPI.pdf

You would be having liver failure by the end of the week

[liquid_c]

Tbombz is actually correct, most Anadrol patients when they did use anadrol to trea anemia took much higher dosages than bodybuilders ever did.  And no, you liver won't melt.  Toxicity of oral steroids is probably the biggest overexaggeration of all steroid myths.  Not saying they're good for you liver, but not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.

[tbombz]

Tbombz is actually correct, most Anadrol patients when they did use anadrol to trea anemia took much higher dosages than bodybuilders ever did.  And no, you liver won't melt.  Toxicity of oral steroids is probably the biggest overexaggeration of all steroid myths.  Not saying they're good for you liver, but not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.

yes.


thats all i was saying.

personally i cant even tolerat 50mg of anadrol, let alone 500mg. it makes me feel absolutely horrible, and i tried legit human grade still in the plastic wrapped bottle and everything. the stuff is like kyptonite for me.

[Disgusted]

maybe the "Harbor UCLA study" was on top level IFBB pro bb'ers and top level strongmen and powerlifters, Jim.

These so called studies are there only to persuade congress into believing that there is a huge steroid problem. Remember, highschool girls as young as 10 are taking winstrol to lose weight and 80% of highschool boys have used steroids at one time or another. Lastly, Santa brought me Dbol for Christmas.

[tbombz]

These so called studies are there only to persuade congress into believing that there is a huge steroid problem. Remember, highschool girls as young as 10 are taking winstrol to lose weight and 80% of highschool boys have used steroids at one time or another. Lastly, Santa brought me Dbol for Christmas.

my stocking had humalog jintropin testovix and norma deca 

[disco_stu]

for anadrol, yeah, its about 500mg for the upper end of whats prescribed for the average weight guy,  but thats PER DAY. 500mg per day. not per week.   

recommend doseage for anadrol = 1-5mg per kg per day.

100kg bodybuilder using high end recommendtaion = 500mg anadrol per day.

http://www.anadrol.com/downloads/ANADROLPI.pdf

omg thats insane. i used 50mg of anapolan per day and put on 6 kg in the first week, and over a 4 week period put on 10kg and it stayed on.

at 100mg to 500mg test per week i also put on plenty of size and had some nasty side effects too like mood, acne and gyno.

500mg is 5ml per week...5ml in one site is a large amount of fluid to be putting into a muscle.

1000mg is asking for trouble and lord 3000mg is, well ive said it... i cant see how the body could be processing this unless it ends up in your brian receptors and other unwanted areas.

hey- take another drug to counter it, right?....dumb dumb..

i love how the monkey see, monkey do approach still exists in BB..the dumbest of all sports, yet those who advocate it claim to be knowledgeable.

the truth is that as the amounts used are so high, they dont really know what works and how and why.

do a search for the tagochi method, or "design of experiments"...apply that, being cognisant of the body's "said process" and then formulate some polypharmacy. Without that theres no credibility.

the fact is that the general population using gear is no better than 20-30 years ago, when much less was taken. That's anecdotal and empirical. Unfortunately even then polypharm was big so we still dont really know.

part of the problem is that the lessons learnt from the 60s and 70s olympic programs have been ignored (cycling and dosing) and without following a strict, calculated and measured regime, its impossible to yield conclusions.

and so we have the only conclusion left- more is better. well duh, thats always going to apply- but at what cost?..eventually you'll find that more of a certain blend or type will get results..

its like comparing one big dumb engine to a formula 1 type running optimally. the big dumb one will eventually make the same horses, when it gets big enough..and itll spew emissions and have poor combustion and high losses and so on.

ill say it again, BBs are the dumbest demographic of all sports.

[disco_stu]

People react differently to substances. Take ghb for example, a friend of mine is completely on another planet after a few nips, I drink a whole bottle and am still quite ok.

500 mg test for me, I might as well do no test at all FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING (yes HG stuff).

This shows what genetics encompass I would consider stavios good in the muscle building department naturally, however unfortunately for him his response to roids is crappy. Nothing you can do about it.

Well yes you can stavios: don't try to become a pro since it's obvious you'll be bancrupt or dead before you ge there LOL

exactly. this is the primary reason why large doses and polypharmacy occurrs. Eventually the mix and amount finds the response. This is not the way to do it though, as youve made clear. The best way is to systematically test to arrive at what your body responds to. An understadning of what is going on internally is also whats needed as it might not be a higher dose..

[tbombz]

20-30 years ago, when much less was taken.

from all credible sources, the answer to this, is that this is not true.  ask disgusted, van b, read the biography on arnold, talk to old timers, ... steroid abuse was as bad if not worse. and even worse, because back then, all their stuff was legit hg, and not underdosed. so 1 gram, was 1 gram. not 700 or 600 or even100mg.

[240 is Back]

Tbombz is actually correct, most Anadrol patients when they did use anadrol to trea anemia took much higher dosages than bodybuilders ever did.  And no, you liver won't melt.  Toxicity of oral steroids is probably the biggest overexaggeration of all steroid myths.  Not saying they're good for you liver, but not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.

yip yip

[QuakerOats]

omg thats insane. i used 50mg of anapolan per day and put on 6 kg in the first week, and over a 4 week period put on 10kg and it stayed on.

at 100mg to 500mg test per week i also put on plenty of size and had some nasty side effects too like mood, acne and gyno.

500mg is 5ml per week...5ml in one site is a large amount of fluid to be putting into a muscle.

1000mg is asking for trouble and lord 3000mg is, well ive said it... i cant see how the body could be processing this unless it ends up in your brian receptors and other unwanted areas.

hey- take another drug to counter it, right?....dumb dumb..

i love how the monkey see, monkey do approach still exists in BB..the dumbest of all sports, yet those who advocate it claim to be knowledgeable.

the truth is that as the amounts used are so high, they dont really know what works and how and why.

do a search for the tagochi method, or "design of experiments"...apply that, being cognisant of the body's "said process" and then formulate some polypharmacy. Without that theres no credibility.

the fact is that the general population using gear is no better than 20-30 years ago, when much less was taken. That's anecdotal and empirical. Unfortunately even then polypharm was big so we still dont really know.

part of the problem is that the lessons learnt from the 60s and 70s olympic programs have been ignored (cycling and dosing) and without following a strict, calculated and measured regime, its impossible to yield conclusions.

and so we have the only conclusion left- more is better. well duh, thats always going to apply- but at what cost?..eventually you'll find that more of a certain blend or type will get results..

its like comparing one big dumb engine to a formula 1 type running optimally. the big dumb one will eventually make the same horses, when it gets big enough..and itll spew emissions and have poor combustion and high losses and so on.

ill say it again, BBs are the dumbest demographic of all sports.

another internet genetic wonder who gains 25 pounds of miniscule amounts.

[disco_stu]

Tbombz is actually correct, most Anadrol patients when they did use anadrol to trea anemia took much higher dosages than bodybuilders ever did.  And no, you liver won't melt.  Toxicity of oral steroids is probably the biggest overexaggeration of all steroid myths.  Not saying they're good for you liver, but not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.

you've missed the point of therapy versus drug abuse.

no one requiring treatment for anaemia is going to weigh 100kg. if you're anaemic you're in a serious condition and that requires serious response. A typical anaemic person might be 30-50kg..meaning even at the high end, 150mg anadrol is used...and thats to treat a body in a very depleted state of catabolism.

the usual dosage for the drug is 1-2mg/kg. So even for the suffering anaemic, that means 30-100mg max.

To apply the therapeutic doses to healthy people is just plain dumb. Saying that 500mg of anadrol is the high end dosage is simpleton stuff.

der...

[disco_stu]

another internet genetic wonder who gains 25 pounds of miniscule amounts.

i went from 72kg to 125kg over 6 years of small amounts, cycled and long off periods. how did you go bozo?..i did this while studying a tertiary degree and having little money to spend on fancy food and supplements. where'd you get your degree?

fuck ppl like you are dumb fucks and really shit me..

[QuakerOats]

i went from 72kg to 125kg over 6 years of small amounts, cycled and long off periods. how did you go bozo?..i did this while studying a tertiary degree and having little money to spend on fancy food and supplements. where'd you get your degree?

fuck ppl like you are dumb fucks and really shit me..

hahahahhaa, bullshit.

[disco_stu]

from all credible sources, the answer to this, is that this is not true.  ask disgusted, van b, read the biography on arnold, talk to old timers, ... steroid abuse was as bad if not worse. and even worse, because back then, all their stuff was legit hg, and not underdosed. so 1 gram, was 1 gram. not 700 or 600 or even100mg.

so you're talling us that VG stuff- the stuff given to multimillion dollar racing thoroughbreads is underdosed?

BS. You are in the fairy land of drug abusing BB dumb fucks.