60% of steroid users use at least a gram of test per week

[MAXX]

Wow bullshit claims and a bullshit study.  If everyone takes all this gear WHERE ARE ALL THE MONSTERS AT?

stavios took 2 g/ w and he's no "monster" really

[QuakerOats]

stavios took 2 g/ w and he's no "monster" really

bullshit, stavios never took 2 grams a week and i'm calling bullshit on you being stronger than anyone on a gram a week.

[Mars]

[Stavios]

bullshit, stavios never took 2 grams a week and i'm calling bullshit on you being stronger than anyone on a gram a week.

like I said, I did took 2g of test with nothing else for 6 weeks after the show to see what it would do.

I got to 242 or 243 lbs

now I have been off since then

[QuakerOats]

like I said, I did took 2g of test with nothing else for 6 weeks after the show to see what it would do.

I got to 242 or 243 lbs

now I have been off since then

damn dude i didn't know that.

[Stavios]

yeah just wanted to try if bigger dosages would lead to much better gains.
it's hard to say because it was after a show but I never got this big before.

I also have to say that I react pretty badly to roids since a friend of mine got bigger than me using 50mg of d-bol a day.
and it was also his first cycle !

so I am really not god for comparaisons, cause I think I am at the low end of the "genetic response to hormones"

[240 is Back]

like I said, I did took 2g of test with nothing else for 6 weeks after the show to see what it would do.

I got to 242 or 243 lbs

now I have been off since then

How's your junk working following PCT?  Still get a stiffy from a light breeze, or you are suffering from Dickus Limpus Aquiles Syndrome?

[Mars]

maybe its not your thing stavios? jk big man

[Stavios]

How's your junk working following PCT?  Still get a stiffy from a light breeze, or you are suffering from Dickus Limpus Aquiles Syndrome?

I am going to describe months by month.

I quited mid-august.

so mid-august to october, libido was still super high.
now, in october I noticed my libido was not as high as usual.
in november, my libido sucked ass. I could get it up but I just didn't want to fuck

and in december, everything is good again ! Just like old time .


I think it was not much because of the dosage but more because I stayed "on" for too long.
I won't exceed 10 weeks cycle from now on

[240 is Back]

I am going to describe months by month.

I quited mid-august.

so mid-august to october, libido was still super high.
now, in october I noticed my libido was not as high as usual.
in november, my libido sucked ass. I could get it up but I just didn't want to fuck

and in december, everything is good again ! Just like old time .


I think it was not much because of the dosage but more because I stayed "on" for too long.
I won't exceed 10 weeks cycle from now on

Stav has recovered.  Good work.

what was your PCT from mid-august to december as well?

[Stavios]

maybe its not your thing stavios? jk big man

haha  

you know, I could pretty easily bullshit you guys and say I only used 250mg of test a week and that I have incredible genetics but I prefer to be honnest

[Smokincrazy]

stavios took 2 g/ w and he's no "monster" really

My point is if people are taking all these high dosages why dont we have more bigger local bodybuilders or general weight training enthusiaists?  Is the weak link training, nutrition,gear knowledge,or quality of gear. Everyone always makes these high mgs claims and I think its bullshit. They are fucking up somewhere else

[Mars]

[The Showstoppa]

haha  

you know, I could pretty easily bullshit you guys and say I only used 250mg of test a week and that I have incredible genetics but I prefer to be honnest

Honesty in bbing, what are you thinking? haha

[Stavios]

Stav has recovered.  Good work.

what was your PCT from mid-august to december as well?

nop the PCT stopped at the beginning of october.
exactly as the same time my libido dropped !

so it's safe to say that my HPTA was fucked up for a few weeks.
lesson learned !

[Stavios]

My point is if people are taking all these high dosages why dont we have more bigger local bodybuilders or general weight training enthusiaists?  Is the weak link training, nutrition,gear knowledge,or quality of gear. Everyone always makes these high mgs claims and I think its bullshit. They are fucking up somewhere else

maybe, because I have pretty much only been using underground gear.
so who knows.

for the next cycles it will be human grade only with smaller dosages

[Mars]

[Stavios]

can you explain why a "man" your age is hanging out with a 13 years old ?

[Mars]

can you explain why a "man" your age is hanging out with a 13 years old ?

"i hang out with people of the internet all the time"

[Smokincrazy]

maybe, because I have pretty much only been using underground gear.
so who knows.

for the next cycles it will be human grade only with smaller dosages

UG is a big problem because nobody really knows how much active compound is in it.  Your low dose human gade cycle will give you way better results.  Keep us updated

[Stavios]

UG is a big problem because nobody really knows how much active compound is in it.  Your low dose human gade cycle will give you way better results.  Keep us updated

will do !

I'll only be bulking for 3 months but I expect big gains after being off for 4 months.
after that, I'll have to think about getting in respectable shape since I'll be...................... .

12 WEEKS OUT FROM THE BEACH !!!!!

[Rimbaud]

harbor UCLA study from 2005 that i'm reading.  it was web response, so of course the results will be off.  But wow, who uses that much?

So you think that a "web" response study is accurate?

[Rimbaud]

Geez.... seriously, the recommended dose of these things is 400 to 600 mg.  Isn't there a point of diminishing returns (IE: The negative side effects outweigh a marginal jump in gains)?
Or is that much just needed to keep on any size over 220 lbs, as some have mentioned?

Of course there is but then again it's the same for anything (training, drinking, other drugs, food, etc...).

[liquid_c]

Funny thing is, ever since the induction of the UGL and ultra-cheap steorids of ? quality, dosages have gone wayyyyyyyyy up.  about 6 years ago when I first started doing research here were the common dosages that I remember.


Deca 400mg/week, a few crazy people went up to 600mg
Eq 400mg/week
Test 500mg/week, if you were at a gram, you were considered crazy.
Dbol 25mg/day
Anadrol about the same 50-150mg/day
Winstrol 50mg/day oral, 50mg EOD inject "not much change"
Parabolan when it was available, was 76mg, 1 amp E3D on average, people have really gone way overboard on the tren
Test propionate was 100mg EOD

Things have changed, however the bodies of the average gym rat sure haven't improved.  In fact, I think they were better years ago.

[Moen]

People react differently to substances. Take ghb for example, a friend of mine is completely on another planet after a few nips, I drink a whole bottle and am still quite ok.

500 mg test for me, I might as well do no test at all FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING (yes HG stuff).

This shows what genetics encompass I would consider stavios good in the muscle building department naturally, however unfortunately for him his response to roids is crappy. Nothing you can do about it.

Well yes you can stavios: don't try to become a pro since it's obvious you'll be bancrupt or dead before you ge there LOL