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its amazing how many people disagreed with tom. Psychiatry IS A PSEUDOSCIENCE.
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yeah but its closer to the point than MEGADOSES OF VITAMINS god damn
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I wouldn't dismiss it altogether but psychiatry has certainly become one of the drug companies many pawns. Seems like half the population is on something. Oddly, the world doesn't seem any better for it. :-\
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tom cruise is an idiot. psychiatry is medicine and is very difficult to perfect since you are dealing with unquantifiable phenomenon in most cases.
the rest of medicine is wack as well, prednisone for the win.
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The american prozac popping culture is a mess. Real psychiatry is good medicine.
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The american prozac popping culture is a mess. Real psychiatry is good medicine.
What's real psychiatry and where is it practiced? A psychiatrist always reaches for the pill; that's what they do.
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What's real psychiatry and where is it practiced? A psychiatrist always reaches for the pill; that's what they do.
Gotta agree with you here, its a way to make money for the drug companies. Just look at the process the fda goes through to approve a drug. They take a study, done by the drug company, and evaluate it. Thats absurd, the fda most of the time, doesn't even do their own research.
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What's real psychiatry and where is it practiced? A psychiatrist always reaches for the pill; that's what they do.
there are lots of very sick people with serious mental diseases on which psychopharmacology has worked wonders. the diseases include schizophrenia, bi-polar disease, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, various Anxiety Disorders, Dementia, Dissociative Disorders, Impulse Control Disorders, and yes Depressive disorders. sure some people abuse the meds, but for hundreds of thousands of other, its the difference between leading a somewhat normal life vs being locked away in a mental institution or prison.
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Gotta agree with you here, its a way to make money for the drug companies. Just look at the process the fda goes through to approve a drug. They take a study, done by the drug company, and evaluate it. Thats absurd, the fda most of the time, doesn't even do their own research.
Quoted for truth.
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its amazing how many people disagreed with tom. Psychiatry IS A PSEUDOSCIENCE.
Regardless of the pros and cons of psychiatry, Tom Cruise is totally batshit crazy and has little grasp on reality. Hail Xenu! ::)
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there are lots of very sick people with serious mental diseases on which psychopharmacology has worked wonders. the diseases include schizophrenia, bi-polar disease, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, various Anxiety Disorders, Dementia, Dissociative Disorders, Impulse Control Disorders, and yes Depressive disorders. sure some people abuse the meds, but for hundreds of thousands of other, its the difference between leading a somewhat normal life vs being locked away in a mental institution or prison.
I wasn't trying to say the drug approach doesn't work. Just making a statement that this is what they do. Go to a psychiatrist for any problem and you're leaving with an Rx.
Drugs work and there's no way to treat bi-polar or schizophrenia in any other way.
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there are lots of very sick people with serious mental diseases on which psychopharmacology has worked wonders. the diseases include schizophrenia, bi-polar disease, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, various Anxiety Disorders, Dementia, Dissociative Disorders, Impulse Control Disorders, and yes Depressive disorders. sure some people abuse the meds, but for hundreds of thousands of other, its the difference between leading a somewhat normal life vs being locked away in a mental institution or prison.
Most of the things you listed tim, can be helped without medicine. I still don't know if I believe mpd exists.
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Regardless of the pros and cons of psychiatry, Tom Cruise is totally batshit crazy and has little grasp on reality. Hail Xenu! ::)
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Gotta agree with you here, its a way to make money for the drug companies. Just look at the process the fda goes through to approve a drug. They take a study, done by the drug company, and evaluate it. Thats absurd, the fda most of the time, doesn't even do their own research.
When is drug use warranted when dealing with mental illness? If you started hearing voices what would you do? If you had anxiety so bad you couldn't leave your house what would you do?
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What a fucking retard.
OFCOURSE there are mental ilness.
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he's a narcissistic closet case and dont know beans about mental illnesses. but clearly too many are over medicated
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he's a nacisistic closet case and dont know beans about mental illnesses. but clearly too many are over medicated
Thats the truth.
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What a fucking retard.
OFCOURSE there are mental ilness.
I only now looked at the video. I've read this guy's stuff before and he isn't a retard. He is right, it not a disease if it can't be verified by objective tests i.e. if there is no organic source. But we know that some people can't function in society unless medicated. Call it a "personality trait" or whatever, but we know drugs help some people function.
I agree with Szasz, it's not good that people are forced to take medicine.
His views on special treatment follow from classical liberal roots which are based on the principles that each person has the right to bodily and mental self-ownership and the right to be free from violence from others, although he criticized the "Free World" as well as the Communist states for its use of psychiatry and "drogophobia". He believes that suicide, the practice of medicine, use and sale of drugs and sexual relations should be private, contractual, and outside of state jurisdiction.
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I agree with Szasz, it's not good that people are forced to take medicine.
He is basically saying that mental illnesses doesnt exsist, if thats not a retarded claim I dont know what it.
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Who said mental illnesses dont exist?
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What's real psychiatry and where is it practiced? A psychiatrist always reaches for the pill; that's what they do.
Real psychiatry is a paranoid schizofrenic person that is into psychoses and can only be helped with medication.
Fatt Betty getting prozac or valium for her horrible life isn't.
Tom cruise and the retards in the video dont know the difference, do you?
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Don't forget, depression hurts. ::)
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He is basically saying that mental illnesses doesnt exsist, if thats not a retarded claim I dont know what it.
It's a bit more complex than that. He wouldn't deny that some people behave in a way that is delusional and out of the norm. It's the label given these behaviors that is the problem and the result of it being defined as mental illness or or disease.
He is not opposed to the practice of psychiatry if it is non-coercive. He maintains that psychiatry should be a contractual service between consenting adults with no state involvement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz
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Real psychiatry is a paranoid schizofrenic person that is into psychoses and can only be helped with medication.
Fatt Betty getting prozac or valium for her horrible life isn't.
Tom cruise and the retards in the video dont know the difference, do you?
So depression isn't something that should ever be medicated? Depression is often helped with drugs - does that mean there was a "real illness"? Where do you draw the line for what should be treated?
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Don't forget, depression hurts. ::)
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After hearing that I feel like killing myself. Please slap yourself for me, thank you.
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After hearing that I feel like killing myself. Please slap yourself for me, thank you.
Everybody hurts, bro :'(
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So depression isn't something that should ever be medicated? Depression is often helped with drugs - does that mean there was a "real illness"? Where do you draw the line for what should be treated?
Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.
Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.
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Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.
Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.
Not only are americans the most medicated, we are also the most unhappy...
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Not only are americans the most medicated, we are also the most unhappy... biggest whiners
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:)
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Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.
Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.
Yes most would agree that they are overprescribed. It's kind of hard to draw the line though. "Fat Betty" might say she feels like this but should she be on drugs?
A person suffering a major depressive episode usually exhibits a low mood pervading all aspects of life and an inability to experience pleasure in previously enjoyable activities. Depressed people may be preoccupied with, or ruminate over, thoughts and feelings of worthlessness, inappropriate guilt or regret, helplessness or hopelessness.[3] Other symptoms include poor concentration and memory, withdrawal from social situations and activities, reduced sex drive, and thoughts of death or suicide.
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there are lots of very sick people with serious mental diseases on which psychopharmacology has worked wonders. the diseases include schizophrenia, bi-polar disease, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, various Anxiety Disorders, Dementia, Dissociative Disorders, Impulse Control Disorders, and yes Depressive disorders. sure some people abuse the meds, but for hundreds of thousands of other, its the difference between leading a somewhat normal life vs being locked away in a mental institution or prison.
I agree with what you've said here. But, I agree with Tom Szasz (the guy in the video) that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in particular is not a disease. It is not a "malfunction" of the brain, just a slightly different functioning brain. ADHD will be a productive phenomenon if we 1) allow those with it to follow their natural interests and 2) facilitate/feed those interests. If we do this, they will master what they are naturally interested in.
In fact, many children/people with ADHD actually show an increased ability to focus on something, relative to those who do not have ADHD. The catch is, they must be naturally interested in that something. But, if they are naturally interested in it, they will completely immerse themselves in it and master it. It is not a "disease" (a malfunction of the brain). Most of the others are.
"Normal" can be no more than opinion, and most of the time it simply means "what most other people are most content with." :-\ If you're not acting in a way others consider to be acceptable for them, they will say you have something wrong with you. If it is naturally occuring and there is no physical (cellular) disability, there is not anything wrong with you. Again, there are many legitimate psychological disorders/diseases, but, attention deficit disorder in particular is not one.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sexo-bfJL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatry-Science-Lies-Thomas-Szasz/dp/0815609108/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230495522&sr=8-1
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I agree with what you've said here. But, I agree with Tom Szasz (the guy in the video) that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in particular is not a disease. It is not a "malfunction" of the brain, just a slightly different functioning brain. ADHD will be a productive phenomenon if we 1) allow those with it to follow their natural interests and 2) facilitate/feed those interests. If we do this, they will master what they are naturally interested in.
In fact, many children/people with ADHD actually show an increased ability to focus on something, relative to those who do not have ADHD. The catch is, they must be naturally interested in that something. But, if they are naturally interested in it, they will completely immerse themselves in it and master it. It is not a "disease" (a malfunction of the brain). Most of the others are.
"Normal" can be no more than opinion, and most of the time it simply means "what most other people are most content with." :-\ If you're not acting in a way others consider to be acceptable for them, they will say you have something wrong with you. If it is naturally occuring and there is no physical (cellular) disability, there is not anything wrong with you. Again, there are many legitimate psychological disorders/diseases, but, attention deficit disorder in particular is not one.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sexo-bfJL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatry-Science-Lies-Thomas-Szasz/dp/0815609108/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230495522&sr=8-1
quoted for truth
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Depression is definitely something that needs medical intervention. But There are criteria for having the diagnose.
Fact is that in no other country in the world people are taking as much anti dep meds as the americans. I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.
True. I get SI, Golf Digest, Sporting News, etc... probably about 10.
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tom cruise is an idiot. psychiatry is medicine and is very difficult to perfect since you are dealing with unquantifiable phenomenon in most cases.
the rest of medicine is wack as well, prednisone for the win.
good post. its (medicine) at least subject to blind, controlled, systematic studies that have to survive scrutiny and provide statistically significant outcomes to be accepted. unlike BS like religion and scientology.
no offence intended to the religious people of us- it has its good purposes for sure- but it couldnt be claimed to be based on observed and proven fact..thats all.
in the right hands, and if used as a positive pursuit then im all for people to have a belief.
the problem ive seen over the last decade or so is that the groups that simply dont understand have been given preferential media and created a power through the ignorant which now has enough momentum to make a noise and question real science.
when that gets to the public it sounds like science is goofy. when science gets a chance, they blow all the speculation out of the water and the mob finds that insulting so take a new course of attack..and so on..
thank god only the smart people actually matter in this case anyway. the mob can make as much noise as they want but until they can prove anything - its just that- noise.
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there are lots of very sick people with serious mental diseases on which psychopharmacology has worked wonders. the diseases include schizophrenia, bi-polar disease, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, various Anxiety Disorders, Dementia, Dissociative Disorders, Impulse Control Disorders, and yes Depressive disorders. sure some people abuse the meds, but for hundreds of thousands of other, its the difference between leading a somewhat normal life vs being locked away in a mental institution or prison.
spot on tim. and not one of them miraculously were healed by any drug free approach.
they might not be perfect, but they give some back to suffering people who might be a statistic today.
imagine the suicide and murder stats if psych drugs werent available?..i think itd be mind boggling.
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Not only are americans the most medicated, we are also the most unhappy...
yet, despite this, when a new president suggests change is needed you all go "no way, its the greatest contry in the world- we need and demand our liberties"...
fact is that anyone can get a weapon, and loads of people are unstable...that in itself if a cocktail for disaster.
iirc the figure was 10% of all americans at any one time are depressed or on psych drugs... so, from 300 million people that means as many as 30 million have psych issues AND a gun.
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Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures
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True. I get SI, Golf Digest, Sporting News, etc... probably about 10.
Got me there!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
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its amazing how many people disagreed with tom. Psychiatry IS A PSEUDOSCIENCE.
Psychiatry's solution to all of children's problems: give them methylphenidate or some other psychostimulants. Psychiatry's solution to all of adult's problems: give them fluoxetine, paroxetine or some other SSRI. :-X
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cognitive therapy should be taught in schools...Kids should be given tools on how to deal with depression when it arises...The real war is always in your own head...Having tools on how to deal with "the voice" is crucial...
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People do have problems but way too many who just need to pick themselves up have are given excuses to whine and complain because of the wide range of disorders.
There are people with serious problems out there, but the amount being diagnosed is overstated.
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Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures
Didnt you once write that you = a member of teh moronity of scientology? Was that a joke? ::)
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Cognitive therapy should be taught in schools...Kids should be given tools on how to deal with depression when it arises...The real war is always in your own head...Having tools on how to deal with "the voice" is crucial...
True. We don't teach people the most valuable things in life. That should be the first and foremost priority.
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who cares what they call it and if there's no cure?
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Speaking of Tom Cruise...
One of the best bands in the world here in a very good Tom Cruise movie...Movie--Vanilla Sky--Video is Sigur Ros's "the nothing song"
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Speaking of Tom Cruise...
One of the best bands in the world here in a very good Tom Cruise movie...Movie--Vanilla Sky--Video is Sigur Ros's "the nothing song"
Terrific movie, great song.
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Most of the things you listed tim, can be helped without medicine. I still don't know if I believe mpd exists.
you dont know what you are talking about.
Why is everyone so against drugs? would you rather herbs? which are drugs as well by definition. People want a quick fix and doctors are overburndened as is.
I love armchair tarts.. what would you do with someone who has severe bi polar disorder? maybe give then a metal aka lithium??????????
sure supplementation can help and some supps are great, but drugs are badly needed.
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I only now looked at the video. I've read this guy's stuff before and he isn't a retard. He is right, it not a disease if it can't be verified by objective tests i.e. if there is no organic source. But we know that some people can't function in society unless medicated. Call it a "personality trait" or whatever, but we know drugs help some people function.
ummmm... people with adhd have been tested using PET scans and have altered glucose metabolism. Imaging and NT bypoducts via urinalysis have shown predictable results as well.
disease is any dis---ease in the body, a dis harmony. Mental illness fit the criteria, if syndromes are diseases then so are mental illnesses.
etiology doesnt define disease.
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I'm just trying to say that some doctors can be a little triggerhappy with subscriptions.
ya they buy to many magazines
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psychiatrists are very important, cause when someone loses contact with reality, they are the ones who are here to explain it to him, and how to get back
on the track of Reality, with the help of the loved ones of course. Drugs may help also, but they are used under the supervision of a psychiatrist who has a plan on how to get you back in reality and how to make you understand what is real and what isnt.
Not everyone can do this, and some people dedicate their life to this task.
Of course they re not going to make their patient 's life perfect, they are no GOD, of course the patient may fail in his endeavour under their supervision or without, but they are not responsibles for that.
It's like saying a doctor is reponsible of a cancer that may develop in one of his patient's body.
Psychiatrists or doctors cant do miracles, but they can assist those who need help to improve their life, wether it's psychologically or physically.
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Prozac and Depression
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Prozac and Depression
Are you a member of the church of scientology, as you claimed to be in a post a long time ago?
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wether it's psychologically or physically.
a minor point: psychological is often physical. chemical imbalances in the brain are often the cause for depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorders, etc. therapy can help you learn to live with the imbalances. psychopharmaceuticals can help return brain chemistry to normal.
auditing is just a way to separate vulnerable or gullible people from their money.
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a minor point: psychological is often physical. chemical imbalances in the brain are often the cause for depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, anxiety disorders, etc. therapy can help you learn to live with the imbalances. psychopharmaceuticals can help return brain chemistry to normal.
auditing is just a way to separate vulnerable or gullible people from their money.
Contradiction.
Positive feelings can result from the process they refer to as "auditing," negative feelings can be erased, both of these literally affect the chemistry in the brain and therefore, as you so brilliantly pointed out, the individual will be physically (chemically) transformed as a result of "auditing."
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Positive feelings can result from the process they refer to as "auditing," negative feelings can be erased, both of these literally affect the chemistry in the brain and therefore, as you so brilliantly pointed out, the individual will be physically (chemically) transformed as a result of "auditing."
there is no scientific evidence to support these claims. that organization that owns a few dozen of the buildings in my neighborhood is a dangerous cult.
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there is no scientific evidence to support these claims. that organization that owns a few dozen of the buildings in my neighborhood is a dangerous cult.
Xenu has nothing on the Muslims when it comes to being dangerous.
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there is no scientific evidence to support these claims. that organization that owns a few dozen of the buildings in my neighborhood is a dangerous cult.
Which claims?
Positive and negative feelings/thoughts/ideas do affect the chemistry in your brain.
What they call "auditing" would relieve negative feelings and induce positive feelings.
In fact, simply talking to someone about something does so.
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Xenu has nothing on the Muslims when it comes to being dangerous.
think if the Catholic Church insisted that exorcism was a legitimate form of medical treatment for cancer, and that oncologists were evil, and then made you pay a significant portion of your income to receive the exorcism.
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think if the Catholic Church insisted that exorcism was a legitimate form of medical treatment for cancer, and that oncologists were evil, and then made you pay a significant portion of your income to receive the exorcism.
Get to the core of the issue. Muslims cause a lot more harm then the followers of Xenu.
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He doesn't know what he's talking about. He's an actor, not an academic. Furthermore, he's a member of a fake religion- Scientology, started by a failed Science Fiction writer, L Ron Hubbard, on a bet that he could "create a religion more popular than psychoanalysis". Go make movies Tom.
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Contradiction.
Positive feelings can result from the process they refer to as "auditing," negative feelings can be erased, both of these literally affect the chemistry in the brain and therefore, as you so brilliantly pointed out, the individual will be physically (chemically) transformed as a result of "auditing."
Scientology does some good stuff for its members especially in the beginning thats how they get hooked. Its ironic cause Hubard says he doesnt believe in psychology but he uses commoon cognitive therapy exercises on new members. The exercises are pretty basic and do work, but only temporarily, and thats the catch....because what Hubard does is, after a member has a cognitive break through, basically just some kind of epiphany about himself or life they feel good, this is where Hubbard turns it into a religion...He tells them that good feeling is the 'clear' and that you can get to a place where you will be in the 'clear' all the time but you have to stay and work with the church and pay money for more 'therapy'. Its an amazing scam and works.....
Young people, especially ones that are lost in life, are very suseptible because the early congnitive exercises do help them but they are not prepared for the lie that follows.
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ummmm... people with adhd have been tested using PET scans and have altered glucose metabolism. Imaging and NT bypoducts via urinalysis have shown predictable results as well.
disease is any dis---ease in the body, a dis harmony. Mental illness fit the criteria, if syndromes are diseases then so are mental illnesses.
etiology doesnt define disease.
Yes, but it is society that has deemed the inability to concentrate a disease. I wonder how much you would need to concentrate on a single topic for hours if you were a warrior in the ancient world, or a Paleolithic hunter. It's just that, in the last couple centuries, education has become more and more important to success, and thus children are being required to sit still for hours and hours starring at a board or reading books, which is unnatural. The (many)children that are unable to perform this unnatural activity are deemed problematic, because the ability to concentrate for hours on a single topic is a trait that is so important for the child to get into the fancy college latter on and thus get the big job that pays a lot, and are thus put on medication. It is society and historical circumstance that makes the "disease". The murderer is a despicable "mentally ill" killer if he kills inside his tribe/people, but he's a war hero if he kills the enemy's children during warfare. Teenage boys have a 4 times higher rate of ADHD than girls, all because of testosterone, which makes them more restless. According to medical science, the natural behavior of teenage boys is a "disease" that must be treated with drugs. The fact is that, for tens of thousands of years, teenage boys' aggressiveness was necessary for hunting and to protect their tribes from enemies, and the boy who was shy and bookish was the "diseased" one. Now the tables are turned. It makes sense from natural selection and tens of thousands of years of evolution for boys to not have the ability to concentrate and to be restless and run around; but now that behavior is not adaptive anymore due to the needs of modern Society, so the normal behavior is pathological.. This is terrible "science" and is one of the reasons people are do distrusting of medicine.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I agree with what you've said here. But, I agree with Tom Szasz (the guy in the video) that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in particular is not a disease. It is not a "malfunction" of the brain, just a slightly different functioning brain. ADHD will be a productive phenomenon if we 1) allow those with it to follow their natural interests and 2) facilitate/feed those interests. If we do this, they will master what they are naturally interested in.
In fact, many children/people with ADHD actually show an increased ability to focus on something, relative to those who do not have ADHD. The catch is, they must be naturally interested in that something. But, if they are naturally interested in it, they will completely immerse themselves in it and master it. It is not a "disease" (a malfunction of the brain). Most of the others are.
"Normal" can be no more than opinion, and most of the time it simply means "what most other people are most content with." :-\ If you're not acting in a way others consider to be acceptable for them, they will say you have something wrong with you. If it is naturally occuring and there is no physical (cellular) disability, there is not anything wrong with you. Again, there are many legitimate psychological disorders/diseases, but, attention deficit disorder in particular is not one.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sexo-bfJL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Psychiatry-Science-Lies-Thomas-Szasz/dp/0815609108/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230495522&sr=8-1
A lot of people are "naturally interested" in the wrong things.
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Scientology does some good stuff for its members especially in the beginning thats how they get hooked. Its ironic cause Hubard says he doesnt believe in psychology but he uses commoon cognitive therapy exercises on new members. The exercises are pretty basic and do work, but only temporarily, and thats the catch....because what Hubard does is, after a member has a cognitive break through, basically just some kind of epiphany about himself or life they feel good, this is where Hubbard turns it into a religion...He tells them that good feeling is the 'clear' and that you can get to a place where you will be in the 'clear' all the time but you have to stay and work with the church and pay money for more 'therapy'. Its an amazing scam and works.....
Young people, especially ones that are lost in life, are very suseptible because the early congnitive exercises do help them but they are not prepared for the lie that follows.
I always thought that kids were never really ready for the lie that is Santa Claus...Esp/when its the only people in the world you are to trust in the parents who tell such a thing...
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I always thought that kids were never really ready for the lie that is Santa Claus...Esp/when its the only people in the world you are to trust in the parents who tell such a thing...
I guess, I dont think I ever completely believed the story...so I was disapponited somewhat, but not at my parents..I kinda understood that it was all in fun.
anyway Hubard was a genius he claimed he was against pyschiatry but used it to get rich. He only called his pyscho-therapy a religion to get out of paying taxes. brilliant.
also, when he died the autopsy reported he had anti-depressants in his system, something Scientologist are supposed to be against. true.
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I have never seen an enlightened Scientologist.
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I guess, I dont think I ever completely believed the story...so I was disapponited somewhat, but not at my parents..I kinda understood that it was all in fun.
anyway Hubard was a genius he claimed he was against pyschiatry but used it to get rich. He only called his pyscho-therapy a religion to get out of paying taxes. brilliant.
also, when he died the autopsy reported he had anti-depressants in his system, something Scientologist are supposed to be against. true.
I was never disappointed but later on in life I thought to myself "what a fcked up thing to do to kids"...I've read some stories where it really fcked with young people and that they held on to it...The message I get from it is that you should never trust anyone fully...Including the parents... ;)
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psychiatrists are very important, cause when someone loses contact with reality, they are the ones who are here to explain it to him, and how to get back
on the track of Reality, with the help of the loved ones of course. Drugs may help also, but they are used under the supervision of a psychiatrist who has a plan on how to get you back in reality and how to make you understand what is real and what isnt.
Not everyone can do this, and some people dedicate their life to this task.
Of course they re not going to make their patient 's life perfect, they are no GOD, of course the patient may fail in his endeavour under their supervision or without, but they are not responsibles for that.
It's like saying a doctor is reponsible of a cancer that may develop in one of his patient's body.
Psychiatrists or doctors cant do miracles, but they can assist those who need help to improve their life, wether it's psychologically or physically.
Drugs never help. They only mask the problem - never gets to the bottom of it. How many millions of kids are on legal speed (ritalin, adderall) across the U.S.? How many teens/adults are on stimulants, anti-depressants, sedatives, etc. just to function in society? These "drugs" are in no means good, ever.
1) "Mental illnesses," even severe ones, are relational (I'd say spiritual as well). Psychiatry, by focusing almost exclusively on biology, is making itself increasingly irrelevant.
(2) Psychoactive substances provide at best, temporary relief, but always make things worse in the long run. They make things worse directly (chemically) and indirectly by distracting from the real issues.
(3) All psychoactive substances have rebound and withdrawal-related problems. "Relapse" rates, in general, during withdrawal from psychiatric drugs, are about 10 times higher than would be expected if the drug had never been taken.
(4) "All biopsychiatric treatments share a common mode of action -- the disruption of normal brain function
Psychiatrists are trained from day one to treat patients from a biological perspective. Psychololists cannot prescribe medication - and many go into that profession just for that very reason.
You check out any of the medication websites (lexapro, seroquel, abilify, lexapro, aderall, etc). Read the fucking side effects.
Do you realize what psychiatrists attempt to do by solving a problem?
1-you go to dr, tell him what your problems are.
2-he tells you you have a chemical imbalance
3-he tells you to take meds which well correct that imbalance. (BTW, most promising part is their is no way to measure the chemicals in the first place)
being fat is a disease
being unhappy is a disease
being nervous is a disease - everything is a disease, and they have a pill for it.
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I guess, I dont think I ever completely believed the story...so I was disapponited somewhat, but not at my parents..I kinda understood that it was all in fun.
anyway Hubard was a genius he claimed he was against pyschiatry but used it to get rich. He only called his pyscho-therapy a religion to get out of paying taxes. brilliant.
also, when he died the autopsy reported he had anti-depressants in his system, something Scientologist are supposed to be against. true.
Wasn't he also a raging alcoholic?
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Mental illness has an extremely poor image. It’s been called the last taboo. Unfortunately those who suffer or have suffered from being diagnosed with a mental illness tend to be dragged down by this image. Once you have been diagnosed or initially admitted to an institution for treatment, it is almost impossible to escape the stigmatization which automatically follows. Nor is it only those on the outside of the caring professions who carry these prejudices. Blind ignorance is also rife within psychiatry. There is currently a research article which connects schizophrenia to the incidence of being cross-eyed or being born in a month with particularly intemperate weather. It seems we have progressed little from when entrails were read in Ancient Rome to anticipate events. The fact is no one has a clue about what causes schizophrenia, although as with most things these days a genetic cause is being sought, so far with little success. The most widely held theory for nearly all kinds of mental illness is it is due to a chemical imbalance in the brain.
I find this fascinating since no patient these days avoids the use of chemicals from first diagnosis, often till death. So how do psychiatrists' determine that there is a chemical imbalance when the brains of mental patients have been bombarded with powerful chemicals from the beginning? What is even more disturbing about this theory is that if the drugs themselves have caused this imbalance, is that not good reason for stopping them?
Psychiatric drugs do not in any way cure the patient or even make him or her feel better. The side effects are appalling. They include the onset of neurological disorders. They include diabetes due to weight gain and innumerable minor and not so minor discomforts. It is seldom claimed that the drugs are therapeutic: They merely mask symptoms - symptoms which probably were less troubling than the effects of the drugs. The drugs do this by crudely interfering with the normal chemical makeup of the brain, making thought processes difficult and sleep (or unconsciousness that appears to be sleep) hard to avoid. Did you ever wonder why mental patients are like zombies? Well, there’s your answer. Psychiatric drugs are making them feel ill and cause them to see the world with only half a brain. Drugs are the current historical sequel to long term institutionalization and chains - and lobotomy. Basically psychiatry is a violent and intrusive way of controlling people who do not conform to other people's expectations - or those who are vulnerable. Remember that treatment is not voluntary once force is used. Mental patients do not have meaningful civil rights. In the UK, often they are not even allowed to vote. In "hospitals," "medication" is routinely administered by force if the patient refuses or is "non-compliant". Mental patients have no right to privacy even when living in the community: "Health" workers may go round neighbors asking about the "patient's" behavior, among other ploys. Medication is usually administered for a lifetime. There is no way anyone ever gets ‘better’ on psychiatric drugs. Being ‘mentally ill’ is a social status, not a medical condition. And the hospitals are merely prisons.
Why has psychiatry not been abandoned, since it is based on overt ignorance and involves obvious abuse? Why does the myth of mental illness persist?
Of course, we all suffer from time to time - usually depression resulting from life experience. There are various strategies which can be used to lift ones spirits and improve one’s health. They include exercise and diet. However the idea of the mentally ill as a category of persons distinct from the rest of the human race continues. I think this happens partly because of vested interests: The companies that market the drugs, which are the current treatment, make vast profits exceeded only by share prices for Internet companies. It is in the interest of these drug companies and their shareholders, which include many doctors, that psychiatry widen its net, constantly bringing more and more people into the sphere of those who are forced to ingest psychiatric drugs for the rest of their lives. Their motives and their lack of a sense of social responsibility are like those of the tobacco companies.
A drug has recently been developed which makes people less shy. Suddenly a new illness, a new diagnosis, was created to make use of this drug: "social phobia." Now people are being diagnosed with this and - surprise! surprise! - are prescribed this new drug. The need to sell this drug and make a profit actually created the diagnosis! Tobacco companies do not need to force their customers to smoke since tobacco is highly addictive. Most people find psychiatric drugs almost intolerable. So drug advocates create such fear and paranoia concerning mentally ill people (who are statistically considerably less dangerous to others than the general population) that a hysterical policy of containment and pharmacological control of mental patients is adopted and enforced.
Some researchers search for the causes of mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, ad infinitum. Science is no where nearer to understanding it than when it was first defined. Based on considerable experience and with great confidence, I argue that the whole course of this "illness" is created by the way it is "treated." It is the confinement, the stigmatization, the ignorance, the physical and emotional abuse, the drugs, the prejudice of employers and consequent poverty, and the overbearing attitude of psychiatrists and others that cause this "illness." For most people, mental illness has a career path from which there is no escape. There is a vast industry profiting financially from the abject misery of mental patients whose problems are exacerbated by an effort to create hysteria, thereby making them outcasts. This makes sense of the otherwise cruel and senseless profession of psychiatry. The mentally ill are an essential part of what supports a very profitable psychiatric drug manufacturing industry. And psychiatry maintains the status quo by drugging into oblivion those who challenge it.
I’m not saying there are not vulnerable individuals, individuals with problems, and unhappy people - even people who are not healthy. But I am saying that conventional western psychiatry does not even attempt to cure them but simply to contain them and perpetuate them as "patients." Secondly, western psychiatry often creates problems, such as in the case of schizophrenia, where there were none before, by its attitude and it's "treatment." The widening grip of psychiatry also has been at the expense of less intrusive, more friendly and wholesome approaches to helping mentally or emotionally troubled people. What might be a temporary problem due to some minor upset or even a mistaken diagnosis, psychiatry can and usually does convert into a dramatic condition which requires a lifetime of treatment. This damages the individual to the core of his being. The mentally ill are not more dangerous than anyone else despite the way they are mistreated. Paranoid schizophrenia is a logical response to psychiatric treatment and not the result of some unfortunate genetic modification. Any fool should be able to understand this, but try explaining it to a psychiatrist! It makes more sense to them what the temperature was outside when you were born. Who is mad here - psychiatry's patients or its defenders?
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I was never disappointed but later on in life I thought to myself "what a fcked up thing to do to kids"...I've read some stories where it really fcked with young people and that they held on to it...The message I get from it is that you should never trust anyone fully...Including the parents... ;)
TechnoViking,
This is interesting enough I've started a thread on it in the Religous Debates forum.:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=255067.0
I was wondering about this Christmas eve. I had the feeling it was wrong to base such holiday on a lie.
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Wasn't he also a raging alcoholic?
yea I think so, there are a lot of cool sites out there that expose what goes on in Scientology....the internet has definitely hurt that religion, thats why Tom started talking about it more in the last few years, but after his publicist left him over it, I think he realized he should stop.
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standard scientology bs
you really have no idea what mental institutions were like before the advent of modern drugs. today millions of people live relatively normal productive lives because they're able to manage their medical condition with psych meds. sure, way too many people with minor problems take meds when they could do without. but many more are able to stay out of mental institutions and stay out of the prison system because of the meds. it is likely that you have coworkers who are able to continue to be productive because of psych meds. because the meds work, you'll never know they're dealing with a mental illness. even those with more severe mental diseases are able to be cared for by family members because of the meds. without the meds, these people would be too much for their families and would end up in an institution. psychiatrists do their best to keep people with mental illnesses out of institutions.
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you really have no idea what mental institutions were like before the advent of modern drugs. today millions of people live relatively normal productive lives because they're able to manage their medical condition with psych meds. sure, way too many people with minor problems take meds when they could do without. but many more are able to stay out of mental institutions and stay out of the prison system because of the meds. it is likely that you have coworkers who are able to continue to be productive because of psych meds. because the meds work, you'll never know they're dealing with a mental illness. even those with more severe mental diseases are able to be cared for by family members because of the meds. without the meds, these people would be too much for their families and would end up in an institution.
In other words, put them on meds so they can pay taxes... :D
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you really have no idea what mental institutions were like before the advent of modern drugs. today millions of people live relatively normal productive lives because they're able to manage their medical condition with psych meds. sure, way too many people with minor problems take meds when they could do without. but many more are able to stay out of mental institutions and stay out of the prison system because of the meds. it is likely that you have coworkers who are able to continue to be productive because of psych meds. because the meds work, you'll never know they're dealing with a mental illness. even those with more severe mental diseases are able to be cared for by family members because of the meds. without the meds, these people would be too much for their families and would end up in an institution. psychiatrists do their best to keep people with mental illnesses out of institutions.
If you haven't seen it yet, you should watch this video
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/lobotomist/program/
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Tom Cruise is a fag
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Tom Cruise is a fag
He posts here you know.
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Co$ is about to have the spotlight turned on them again. John Travolta's autistic teenage son, Jett, died today. The Travoltas have been criticized in the past for not treating their son with any of the available therapy or meds that has been shown to help some autistic children.
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Debussey has been forced to stay at a mental institution several times. The doctors there wants to help, but the actual effects = questionable :-\