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the fact of the matter is that Israel and the Arab world do not want peace...they would rather just continue to kill each other over the bible and the Koran...the palestinians worship death and they all want to die...all for the palestinian cause..they don't care about their children and they applaud when their own children blow themselves up as suicide bombers...what kind of people are they????..they are savages and they think they will be able to destroy Israel through stupid and senseless suicide bombings ...they are wasting their time and valuble lives...Israel will NEVER EVER give up their land...the palestinians would be better off making any kind of peace with Israel that they can in order to stop the bloodshed...
All of these so-called Arab "leaders" are bent on the destruction of their own people...and these people are stupid-asses..they blindly follow these leaders and don't question their motives and tactics....they don't challenge their leaders to make their lives better....the arabs are mostly living in misery and they blame Israel and the United States for theitr own stupidity and misfortune..
Blacks in the United states were oppressed for hundreds of years, but did not resort to violence and terrorism against whites...because they and their leaders like Martin Luther King were smart enough to understand that black people would be slaughtered by the U.S. Army if they did that....they went about change by peaceful resistance and through getting laws changed which made their lives better.....they also used morality to make whites realize that they were treating blacks wrongly and that they must change and live up to the "All men are created equal" part of the constitution...
the palestinians deserve what they are getting because they created their own misery...and the innocent people that are being killed accidentally by Israel deserve what they are getting as well because they support the arab terorists (HAMAS) who are governing them..we should just let Israel wipe them out and take back governmental control of GAZA...the lives of palestinians would be so much better if they embraced Israel and really made an effort to make peace with them.....The palestinians have to realize they ain't getting their land entirely back just like the Indians here in the U.S. aren't either.....it's not going to happen...negotiate now and try to take the best deal possible and then move on....get roads built...build schools and medical centers and nice homes and apartment buildings for your people...stop the stupid and senseless violence which has no end and which does not help the arab world or palestinian people at all
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Also our presidents should stop trying to solve the arab-Israeli conflict..they don't want peace and our presidents are always putting their own personal prestige and the prestige of the U.S. on the line when dealing with this subject...Clinton couldn't do it..Bush couldn't....they don't want to have peace because then their people would expect them to actually govern and they can't do that.......
I say we should stop getting involved in this matter altogether and let them continue to kill each other until they get tired (which won't happen)....also, if I was president I would tell all the arab nations that they need to get involved and talk to the palestinians about their actions....they need to start real negotiaitons with Israel and stop all the bulls..t talk...the arabs are backward and ignorant and need to step into the modern world.....
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We have the typical liberal media spin again in the news.
Israel gets rocket attacks for weeks on end. Israel responds.
It must be Israels' fault for defending itself and they should just accept getting attacked by these poor defenselsss humiliated muslims.
Screw em. Let Israel wipe these vermin out and be done with it already.
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Its interesting that many Jewish people are liberal and support liberal democrats, because liberal democrats are increasingly critical of Israeli actions in the middle east and the US financial support of Israel.
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We have the typical liberal media spin again in the news.
Israel gets rocket attacks for weeks on end. Israel responds.
It must be Israels' fault for defending itself and they should just accept getting attacked by these poor defenselsss humiliated muslims.
Screw em. Let Israel wipe these vermin out and be done with it already.
please stop. Stop posting altogether actually. Your non-objective POV is discusting. poor little israel....poor jews...THAT is the liberal spin dickhead
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please stop. Stop posting altogether actually. Your non-objective POV is discusting. poor little israel....poor jews...THAT is the liberal spin dickhead
I dont claim to be objective. I have a view point based upon what I perceive to be the facts of the matter.
The palis are their own worst enemy, as always is the case.
Why is that almost every Arab country is a third world hell hole while Israel is not??????
Guess what - its been that way long before the Jews were in Israel.
The arab culture are at the cause of this, nothing else.
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I'm just sick of everyone (namely the U.S) siding and supporting the jews/israel, why don't the states just mind their own fucking business. The land that israel is situated on belongs to Palestine, this whole situation is complete bullshit, the jews lost that land a long long time ago, now all of a sudden it's given to them after someone is already living there.
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I'm just sick of everyone (namely the U.S) siding and supporting the jews/israel, why don't the states just mind their own fucking business. The land that israel is situated on belongs to Palestine, this whole situation is complete bullshit, the jews lost that land a long long time ago, now all of a sudden it's given to them after someone is already living there.
Blah blah blah.
I am sure you think Americans should lose their homes to the indians????
Your reasoning is so piss poor its embarassing.
Isreal is a tiny tiny area of land and offered the palistinians 90% of what they wanted and they rejected it. Even Clinton said in his memoirs that he was shocked at how stupid the palistinians are in dealing with things.
These fools send rockets to Israel and are surprised when . . shock. . . .shock . . . Israel fights back?
I have ZERO sympathy for any race or people who want to wallow in past "grievances" rather than improve their present situation. Its embarassing to see how dumb the palistians are in dealing with Israel.
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Blah blah blah.
I am sure you think Americans should lose their homes to the indians????
Your reasoning is so piss poor its embarassing.
Isreal is a tiny tiny area of land and offered the palistinians 90% of what they wanted and they rejected it. Even Clinton said in his memoirs that he was shocked at how stupid the palistinians are in dealing with things.
These fools send rockets to Israel and are surprised when . . shock. . . .shock . . . Israel fights back?
I have ZERO sympathy for any race or people who want to wallow in past "grievances" rather than improve their present situation. Its embarassing to see how dumb the palistians are in dealing with Israel.
I never said that Palestinians are idiots, I think they are totally.. but it's unjust the way the world is fucking them and supporting israel.
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I never said that Palestinians are idiots, I think they are totally.. but it's unjust the way the world is fucking them and supporting israel.
The "world" realizes that there can be no peace when groups like HAMAS are running the show and sending rockets into civilian areas on a daily basis.
The moron palistinians screw themselves, they dont need the world to do it.
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The "world" realizes that there can be no peace when groups like HAMAS are running the show and sending rockets into civilian areas on a daily basis.
The moron palistinians screw themselves, they dont need the world to do it.
They do, but it takes two to tango..israel is not doing any better, either way it's a clusterfuck that's never going to get peacefully resolved.
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No one is blindly supporting Israel...the US government has been critical of Israel when they have done something wrong...but the real victims are the Palestinians who have a culture of death and who send their children to strap on suicide bombs for a cause which could be settled quickly if they were to truly negotiate....they could easily get back 90% of their land right away....
but to tell the truth, a palestinian state is not viable anyway .....they would need massive amounts of foreign aid just to feed itself....they don't have any commodities to sell..no oil or other natural resources....and the other arab countries who are rich don't care about the palestinians and will never support them financially..the other arab countries use the palestinians as human cannon fodder against Israel...they let the stupid palestinian leaders send their children and their people to fight and die against Israel while they sit in their rich homes and palaces...
the palestinians would be better off being a part of israel....and accepting the israeli government as their own.....they would be much better off economically....they would eat better..their children would be educated...and their quality of life would be much better than that of the other arab countries...they can even get Israel back through elections.....they will eventually outnumber the Israelis due to their having more babies than the jews....all of this is much more peaceful than being in a constant state of war and having your people being totally obliterated every day
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I'm just sick of everyone (namely the U.S) siding and supporting the jews/israel, why don't the states just mind their own fucking business. The land that israel is situated on belongs to Palestine, this whole situation is complete bullshit, the jews lost that land a long long time ago, now all of a sudden it's given to them after someone is already living there.
If the Arabs ran the Jews off that land long ago, and the Jews ran the Arabs back off it 60 years ago, why should that land still belong to the Arabs? That makes no sense whatsoever. It's war. They lost. Twice. That's Israel's land now.
Don't even cry about the "financial support" either. The USA dumps billions of dollars into countries across the middle east and they do nothing with that money. It lines the pockets of the people in power while their countrymen starve and live in squalor.
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The mother of all battles will soon break out against the zionist agressor.
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If the Arabs ran the Jews off that land long ago, and the Jews ran the Arabs back off it 60 years ago, why should that land still belong to the Arabs? That makes no sense whatsoever. It's war. They lost. Twice. That's Israel's land now.
Don't even cry about the "financial support" either. The USA dumps billions of dollars into countries across the middle east and they do nothing with that money. It lines the pockets of the people in power while their countrymen starve and live in squalor.
I couldn't find a better article but this is fine.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/60minutes/main582487.shtml
Soha is wanted around the Arab world , she have BILLIONS that were send as relief money.
And that's Arafat who got moderate towards his death, just think what the Hamas is doing with the money....
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The mother of all battles will soon break out against the zionist agressor.
that's the plan prophecy.
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the bitch lives lavishly in paris.
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I'm just sick of everyone (namely the U.S) siding and supporting the jews/israel, why don't the states just mind their own fucking business. The land that israel is situated on belongs to Palestine, this whole situation is complete bullshit, the jews lost that land a long long time ago, now all of a sudden it's given to them after someone is already living there.
It's been given to them by purpose. There is a plan behind this, just as there was a plan behind WW1, WW2, etcetera. The chance that Israel is going to attack Iran within the next 4 months is high.
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It's been given to them by purpose. There is a plan behind this, just as there was a plan behind WW1, WW2, etcetera. The chance that Israel is going to attack Iran within the next 4 months is high.
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we can thank the global bankers for that.
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the fact of the matter is that Israel and the Arab world do not want peace
Not true. 90% of Arabs and Israelis want peace. It is that Hamas and others dont want to have peace. Until this tiny minority stops and renounces 'the destruction of Israel', it wont happen.
the palestinians deserve what they are getting because they created their own misery...
Unfair statement. 90% of the Palestinians are people who want peace for themselves and their children. Unfortunately, in the Gaza strip, if you speak out, you can get killed. So they don't. I have friends who wish for peace, but can't publically say it, because Hamas and others will kill your family. It is scary.
the innocent people that are being killed accidentally by Israel deserve what they are getting as well because they support the arab terorists (HAMAS)
No, it sucks. It sucks that kids get drawn into this fight. It sucks that two little girls were killed by Palestinians, and it sucks that Hamas puts military targets so close to where kids will get hurt.
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http://www.honestreporting.com/a/breaking_point.asp
BTW an Arab worker was killed today in Israel because a Hamas rocket hit him.
It's not the first time, they will hurt anyone without discrimination even their own people.
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Not true. 90% of Arabs and Israelis want peace. It is that Hamas and others dont want to have peace. Until this tiny minority stops and renounces 'the destruction of Israel', it wont happen.
ambiguous statement by you...If they wanted peace they could make it happen tomorrow...and if 90% of Arabs want peace then where are the arab leaders and statesmen who are advocating for peace?..why aren't they on the news or talkshows and why are there no demonstrations at all for peace in the arab world?...have you seen any? I haven't. have you seen ANY demonstrations or any arab spokesmen on TV renouncing terrorism???..if you have, show me.
Unfair statement. 90% of the Palestinians are people who want peace for themselves and their children. Unfortunately, in the Gaza strip, if you speak out, you can get killed. So they don't. I have friends who wish for peace, but can't publically say it, because Hamas and others will kill your family. It is scary.
no, not unfair at all.....yes I agree with you, it is scary..and I feel sorry for these people for living in such fear..BUT...THEY THEMSELVES VOTED TO PUT HAMAS IN POWER KNOWING THAT THEY WERE A TERROR ORGANIZATION AND THAT THEY WOULD CONFRONT ISRAEL THEREFORE BRINGING DOWN ISRAEL'S WRATH UPON THEMSELVES...you don't elect people who will lead you down the path of destruction....thats just plain stupid....and also if you want liberty, freedom, and a better way of life, then do what the blacks in America did...stand up and protest and demonstrate....against the arab leaders who are oppressing you...better to die that way than to blow yourselves up for nothing
No, it sucks. It sucks that kids get drawn into this fight. It sucks that two little girls were killed by Palestinians, and it sucks that Hamas puts military targets so close to where kids will get hurt.
on this I actually agree with you....it does suck...it sucks that HAMAS puts it's own women and children at risk by hiding behind them....they are not freedom fighters..they are cowards....and they put their own women and children to death by making them go out and become suicide bombers!!!...this goes against every law of war ever created....in the history of the world men have always strived to keep women and children OUT OF CONFLICT..instead they put theirs in the line of fire enthusiastically!!!
KEEP APOLOGIZING FOR THEM.....Hope this helps
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Not true. 90% of Arabs and Israelis want peace. It is that Hamas and others dont want to have peace. Until this tiny minority stops and renounces 'the destruction of Israel', it wont happen.
Unfair statement. 90% of the Palestinians are people who want peace for themselves and their children. Unfortunately, in the Gaza strip, if you speak out, you can get killed. So they don't. I have friends who wish for peace, but can't publically say it, because Hamas and others will kill your family. It is scary.
No, it sucks. It sucks that kids get drawn into this fight. It sucks that two little girls were killed by Palestinians, and it sucks that Hamas puts military targets so close to where kids will get hurt.
I'll have you know the problem is not Hamas, it's the fact that Palestinians are being asked to accept 22% of their former territory. The problem is this Israel-must-exist-at-all-costs opinion.
I tell you something, letting the Israeli army run amock in the name of Israelis is not going to help. It is obvious Israel want the Gaza strip and it will do everything in its power to avoid a political settlement with the Palestinians, even if this takes totally (and militarily) isolating the Gaza strip, including the detention of United Nations personel (something that the Bush fuckups used as one of the reasons to attack and invade Iraq) and then bitching about Hamas when they have no other choice but to defend themselves.
I tell you something I've noticed an increase in the "fuck the Jews!" rethoric as of lately (from non-Muslims) so if Jews think deviating all the attention in the obviously apparent lack of human resources in some islamic countries is going to win the rest of the world's hearts and minds you're in for a surprise.
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I'll have you know the problem is not Hamas, it's the fact that Palestinians are being asked to accept 22% of their former territory. The problem is this Israel-must-exist-at-all-costs opinion.
I tell you something, letting the Israeli army run amock in the name of Israelis is not going to help. It is obvious Israel want the Gaza strip and it will do everything in its power to avoid a political settlement with the Palestinians, even if this takes totally (and militarily) isolating the Gaza strip, including the detention of United Nations personel (something that the Bush fuckups used as one of the reasons to attack and invade Iraq) and then bitching about Hamas when they have no other choice but to defend themselves.
I tell you something I've noticed an increase in the "fuck the Jews!" rethoric as of lately (from non-Muslims) so if Jews think deviating all the attention in the obviously apparent lack of human resources in some islamic countries is going to win the rest of the world's hearts and minds you're in for a surprise.
You're a fucking moron, you have NO idea.
Israel wants Gaza...HAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH A....seriously....you have NOOOOO idea.
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You're a fucking moron, you have NO idea.
Israel wants Gaza...HAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAH A....seriously....you have NOOOOO idea.
Just Jew it!
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Just Jew it!
You do know that Israel wanted to shove Gaza into Egypt hands in the peace agreement, they asked them to take it with the Sinai desert but the Egyptians didn't want to mess with them, they hate them more than anyone since they know them the best.
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You do know that Israel wanted to shove Gaza into Egypt hands in the peace agreement, they asked them to take it with the Sinai desert but the Egyptians didn't want to mess with them, they hate them more than anyone since they know them the best.
If you say so it must be true.
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Isreal is a tiny tiny area of land and offered the palistinians 90% of what they wanted and they rejected it. Even Clinton said in his memoirs that he was shocked at how stupid the palistinians are in dealing with things.
The Palestinians are the mexicans of the middle east. They believe they should have it all, yet have done nothing with what they have except make it a third world shithole.
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This get better and better.
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If you say so it must be true.
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Look it up idiot, using a smiley doesn't make you right.
I can't comprehend how anyone can even think that Israel wants Gaza....more than a millions bitter losers that like violence and think that all Jewish people should die...yeah...sounds like the dream of every Israeli prime minister. ::)
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You do know that Israel wanted to shove Gaza into Egypt hands in the peace agreement, they asked them to take it with the Sinai desert but the Egyptians didn't want to mess with them, they hate them more than anyone since they know them the best.
This is an absolutely true statement...The Egyptians hate the palestinians...as do all of the arab world..they look down upon the palestinians...they ARE the mexicans of the middle east....and as for Israel wanting GAZA...that is so funny....Gaza is hell on earth...why would the Israelis want that place????..the world is just too cowardly to tell the arabs that they are NOT getting palestine back and that they need to make peace...even the American Indians didn't get 22% of their land back//take what you can get now and then negotiate for more in the future...show the world you can actually govern and the world will put pressure on Israel to give back even more land.
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Look it up idiot, using a smiley doesn't make you right.
I can't comprehend how anyone can even think that Israel wants Gaza....more than a millions bitter losers that like violence and think that all Jewish people should die[...]
Well, it's not only the Palestinians that feel that way, or Muslims for that matter, but that is another debate entirely.
As far as Israel wanting Gaza is not such a far-fetched and idiotic idea. The most likely reason is that the Israelis want to exchange it, politically mind you, for something else, use it as leverage.
Look, Hamas was VOTED into power, they got 65% of the vote back in 2007, which represented a serious low blow to everyone except Palestinians. From that moment on Israel decided to submit Gaza to one of the most repressive humanitarian blockades in the past few years, going as far as putting UN personnel in jail (which Bush used as one of the reasons for us to invade Iraq by the way, talk about double standards!) or just arresting Palestinian politics (some in office) for no apparent reason whatsoever.
Back then the initial plan was to involve Al Fatah into the mix and provoke a civil war, something the US was involved in by the way (click here (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804)), in order to get Hamas out of the way. When that did not work we have what we have today, which is a humanitarian catastrophe, Israel bombing the shit out of civilians and the US saying Hamas must stop attacking Israel. Attacking?! They are defending themselves!
Yes, Palestinians are not exactly loved in the Arab world, nor do they love Jews, but you know what? That doesn't give Israeli actions any ounce of moral props, in fact it makes you sound like a moron.
Besides, looking at the next comparative picture, you tell me what the next logical step is:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255225.0;attach=296473;image)
And so that you know: I did not use a smiley. 8)
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Well, it's not only the Palestinians that feel that way, or Muslims for that matter, but that is another debate entirely.
As far as Israel wanting Gaza is not such a far-fetched and idiotic idea. The most likely reason is that the Israelis want to exchange it, politically mind you, for something else, use it as leverage.
Look, Hamas was VOTED into power, they got 65% of the vote back in 2007, which represented a serious low blow to everyone except Palestinians. From that moment on Israel decided to submit Gaza to one of the most repressive humanitarian blockades in the past few years, going as far as putting UN personnel in jail (which Bush used as one of the reasons for us to invade Iraq by the way, talk about double standards!) or just arresting Palestinian politics (some in office) for no apparent reason whatsoever.
very good map...and u make a nice rational argument....but this same thing occurred to the American Indians..their lands were slowwwwwly taken away from them in the same way....but they got some back by negotiation..it's the ONLY way....the indians could never hope to take back their lands by force..they would have been wiped out like the palestinians are getting wiped out now....it is irresponsible leadership by the palestinians that their people are suffering....look at what Martin Luther King did....he got blacks to have equal rights in this country and got lots of laws and protections passed to protect blacks..he didn't lead blacks into a dismal abyss of violence and armed resistance because a REAL leader is responsable for the people who follow him....blacks were not slaughtered by whites in the U.S.....were some beaten?..yes..were some killed?..yes..but it wasn't a wholesale slaughter like we see today in GAZA
Back then the initial plan was to involve Al Fatah into the mix and provoke a civil war, something the US was involved in by the way (click here (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804)), in order to get Hamas out of the way. When that did not work we have what we have today, which is a humanitarian catastrophe, Israel bombing the shit out of civilians and the US saying Hamas must stop attacking Israel. Attacking?! They are defending themselves!
Yes, Palestinians are not exactly loved in the Arab world, nor do they love Jews, but you know what? That doesn't give Israeli actions any ounce of moral props, in fact it makes you sound like a moron.
Besides, looking at the next comparative picture, you tell me what the next logical step is:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255225.0;attach=296473;image)
And so that you know: I did not use a smiley. 8)
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Well, it's not only the Palestinians that feel that way, or Muslims for that matter, but that is another debate entirely.
As far as Israel wanting Gaza is not such a far-fetched and idiotic idea. The most likely reason is that the Israelis want to exchange it, politically mind you, for something else, use it as leverage.
Look, Hamas was VOTED into power, they got 65% of the vote back in 2007, which represented a serious low blow to everyone except Palestinians. From that moment on Israel decided to submit Gaza to one of the most repressive humanitarian blockades in the past few years, going as far as putting UN personnel in jail (which Bush used as one of the reasons for us to invade Iraq by the way, talk about double standards!) or just arresting Palestinian politics (some in office) for no apparent reason whatsoever.
Back then the initial plan was to involve Al Fatah into the mix and provoke a civil war, something the US was involved in by the way (click here (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804)), in order to get Hamas out of the way. When that did not work we have what we have today, which is a humanitarian catastrophe, Israel bombing the shit out of civilians and the US saying Hamas must stop attacking Israel. Attacking?! They are defending themselves!
Yes, Palestinians are not exactly loved in the Arab world, nor do they love Jews, but you know what? That doesn't give Israeli actions any ounce of moral props, in fact it makes you sound like a moron.
Besides, looking at the next comparative picture, you tell me what the next logical step is:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255225.0;attach=296473;image)
And so that you know: I did not use a smiley. 8)
Pretty maps won't change reality, your map is a farce.
1.That land was never Palestinian, it was a part of the Britain mandate and before that a part of the Turkish empire and before that....and so on. Palestinians never had any soverginship, they only got that from ISRAEL when they received Gaza and the western bank.
2.Your map is just colored but in reality the population of Palestinians were villages scattered around Israel, they never were or thought they were a people before 48.
3.Israel was neglected and the Jewish people who came there bought LOTS of land and started drying swamps and building cities , after they developed it the Arabs started to want it because they wanted the work of the Jewish people, but they never did it themself.
4.Now lets talk post UN resolution, thats the logical thing, the loss of land there was due to ONE reason, WARS, if you attack and lose don't expect to get it back. Especially if you have a hostile population, Israel hold lands as a BUFFER ZONE. Just as they did in south Lebanon, do you really think anyone wants those parts?
South Lebanon was a military zone, there were no civilians, it was nothing more than a buffer zone to keep the fighting that Hizballah initiated out of Israel and in their territory.
5.The Palestinians receive EVERYTHING from Israel, gas,food,power and so on, if Israel truly did a blockade on them (not terror related, you most block Gaza when they launch rockets/bombers) they would be dead long ago.
6.Hamas is a terror organization, thinking that they won't fake a few ballots is retarded, not to mention that they hurt their people more than anyone, Hitler was voted democratically too......always remember that.
Do you want me to go on?
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Pretty maps won't change reality, your map is a farce.
1.That land was never Palestinian, it was a part of the Britain mandate and before that a part of the Turkish empire and before that....and so on. Palestinians never had any soverginship, they only got that from ISRAEL when they received Gaza and the western bank.
2.Your map is just colored but in reality the population of Palestinians were villages scattered around Israel, they never were or thought they were a people before 48.
3.Israel was neglected and the Jewish people who came there bought LOTS of land and started drying swamps and building cities , after they developed it the Arabs started to want it because they wanted the work of the Jewish people, but they never did it themself.
4.Now lets talk post UN resolution, thats the logical thing, the loss of land there was due to ONE reason, WARS, if you attack and lose don't expect to get it back. Especially if you have a hostile population, Israel hold lands as a BUFFER ZONE. Just as they did in south Lebanon, do you really think anyone wants those parts?
South Lebanon was a military zone, there were no civilians, it was nothing more than a buffer zone to keep the fighting that Hizballah initiated out of Israel and in their territory.
5.The Palestinians receive EVERYTHING from Israel, gas,food,power and so on, if Israel truly did a blockade on them (not terror related, you most block Gaza when they launch rockets/bombers) they would be dead long ago.
6.Hamas is a terror organization, thinking that they won't fake a few ballots is retarded, not to mention that they hurt their people more than anyone, Hitler was voted democratically too......always remember that.
Do you want me to go on?
This I agree with completely, Hitler was a great man and leader btw. no different then any dictator/tyrant of the past and present, I don't know why he receives such a magnitude of hate, Stalin killed 15-20 million Russians for fuck's sake, by sheer numbers Hitler pales in comparison.
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This I agree with completely, Hitler was a great man and leader btw. no different then any dictator/tyrant of the past and present, I don't know why he receives such a magnitude of hate, Stalin killed 15-20 million Russians for fuck's sake, by sheer numbers Hitler pales in comparison.
So you were born a racist or grew up to be one?
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This I agree with completely, Hitler was a great man and leader btw. no different then any dictator/tyrant of the past and present, I don't know why he receives such a magnitude of hate, Stalin killed 15-20 million Russians for fuck's sake, by sheer numbers Hitler pales in comparison.
You are a complete moron and a traitor.
Hitler was a terrible leader.
Not only did hitlers' actions result in the deaths of millions of russians, jews, gypsies, europeans, but over 100,000 American Soldiers, 2 million of his own soldiers, the bombing of his cities, the deaths and rapes of women civilians, the loss of East Berlin to the Russians, partioning the country into a half communist state. Do you want more?
If you think that is the mark of a great man and leader, you are a fool of the highest order.
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he was probably joking, i hope so.
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he was probably joking, i hope so.
He wasn't he is the typical retarded white pride bullshitter.
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guys like Hitler and Stalin were terrible leaders who brought down tremendous suffering and death to their own people...much like the Hamas leadership is doing today..but the real villian in all this is someone we haven't talked about yet in this post..
YASSER ARAFAT.....he had the chance to make peace and he wouldn't do it.....he was the only palestinian leader with the power, and prestige to make a deal happen and to make his own people accept a deal.....he chose not to and when he died he left the palestinians leaderless and in choas..not to mention all the foreign aid he and his wife stole....his wife, SUHA, now lives it up in luxury in France I think....
what REALLY needs to happen is that the palestinians need to fight a civil war among themselves to finally determine who will be the ultimate negotiating partner with Israel.....the Fatah party is hopelessly corrupt..and Hamas is hopelessly radical and suicidal.....Israel basically has no one to talk to....
also, the palestinians ned to give up on their demand of "right of return".....Israel will not accept 100s of thousands of palestinians coming back to Israel and gettting their land back...that's not going to happen
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Like i said earlier, Bill Clinton said in his memoirs that he shocked and blamed Arafat for this mess since Israel was offering 90% of what the palistinians wanted and that was not enough.
If 90% is not enough for these barbarians, than screw em, let them fight Israel to the death and hopefully they will end up with 0%.
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Like i said earlier, Bill Clinton said in his memoirs that he shocked and blamed Arafat for this mess since Israel was offering 90% of what the palistinians wanted and that was not enough.
If 90% is not enough for these barbarians, than screw em, let them fight Israel to the death and hopefully they will end up with 0%.
Exactly, they don't want peace they make personal gain from the suffering of their people, thats why I laugh when people say the Hamas is a democratic regime.... ::)
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You guys got me all wrong :)
Racism and all that shit is a thing of the past, I admire Hitler's rise to power, the way he was able to go from starving artist living on the streets (almost) to being the leader of a large European super-power. His rise to power was phenomenal, I could care less for his personal distastes or who he disliked and what he did in his private life. He was able to take over a government and run a country through strategic planning, propaganda and subtle persuasion, kind of akin to your George Bush :)
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You guys got me all wrong :)
Racism and all that shit is a thing of the past, I admire Hitler's rise to power, the way he was able to go from starving artist living on the streets (almost) to being the leader of a large European super-power. His rise to power was phenomenal, I could care less for his personal distastes or who he disliked and what he did in his private life. He was able to take over a government and run a country through strategic planning, propaganda and subtle persuasion, kind of akin to your George Bush :)
Oh lord what nonsense.
GWB has been an abject failure, but his run over 8 years has not caused 20 plus million deaths like Hitler did.
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You guys got me all wrong :)
Racism and all that shit is a thing of the past, I admire Hitler's rise to power, the way he was able to go from starving artist living on the streets (almost) to being the leader of a large European super-power. His rise to power was phenomenal, I could care less for his personal distastes or who he disliked and what he did in his private life. He was able to take over a government and run a country through strategic planning, propaganda and subtle persuasion, kind of akin to your George Bush :)
You forgot to mention the usage of racism,violence and more to get into power.
You do know that even before he got to power he was leading the most violent group of people in Germany?
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You forgot to mention the usage of racism,violence and more to get into power.
You do know that even before he got to power he was leading the most violent group of people in Germany?
Yes, but that ultimately resulted in him becoming Chancellor, whatever he did to gain power, he did it, and did it within a very short period of time, I really couldn't care less about his beliefs and anti-semitism, but you have to admit he was good at manipulating people and information that the people were exposed to (propaganda) to achieve his goals and move up in government.
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Yes, but that ultimately resulted in him becoming Chancellor, whatever he did to gain power, he did it, and did it within a very short period of time, I really couldn't care less about his beliefs and anti-semitism, but you have to admit he was good at manipulating people and information that the people were exposed to (propaganda) to achieve his goals and move up in government.
A great orator. Also a psychopath and batshit insane moron, but a great speaker nonetheless. Comparing some of the great speakers throughout time to Bush just shows how absolutely pathetic the guy is any time he gets behind a mic.
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A great orator. Also a psychopath and batshit insane moron, but a great speaker nonetheless. Comparing some of the great speakers throughout time to Bush just shows how absolutely pathetic the guy is any time he gets behind a mic.
Let's not forget Bush has the IQ of a lima bean, has no vocabulary, reading comprehension or coherent thought process, his favourite author is Dr.Seuss for fuck's sake. It's a wonder how this guy got an MBA from Harvard, I guess having your daddy running the C.I.A and later become president helps.
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Pretty maps won't change reality, your map is a farce.
How is "my" map a "farce"?
1.That land was never Palestinian, it was a part of the Britain mandate and before that a part of the Turkish empire and before that....and so on. Palestinians never had any soverginship, they only got that from ISRAEL when they received Gaza and the western bank.
First and foremost, the state of Israel (which is what I think you're referring to) has NO RIGHT to give anyone sovereignty, not even the one they receive from Israelis themselves. Sovereignty does not make a country. That is a distinction you seem to be unable to understand. Also, just because Palestine was populated by loosely-connected and politically unorganized tribes (culturally speaking) does not mean you can just go into their territory, commit atrocities (indiscriminate civilian killings, forceful evacuations and humanitarian blockades,) buy up the land, segregate yourself from your neighbors and then secede from the same territory that welcomed you with open arms.
I invite you to read the words of Zionism's "spiritual father," Theodore Herzl, and what he was saying about Palestine back in the late XVIII and early XIX centuries: He was talking about "spiriting the penniless Palestinians away", or when asked why he had such little regard for Palestinians he'd say "who would think of sending them away? It is their well being, their individual wealth which we will increase by bringing in our own." Once you read Herzl's later rethoric you'll come to realise that he was talking about a land very much populated by people, which he refered to as "Palestinians". The debates in the earlier Zionist congresses (once they had agreed on a place) was on how to get rid of the people living there, not on how to turn the desert into fertile arable land (which is what Zionists will have you believe).
Later on, when confronted by evidence from his peers Herzl eventually had a change of opinion, opposing the return of the Jews to the land of Israel, saying things like "I did not know that – but then we are committing an injustice!" when learning that Palestine was indeed NOT VOID of people. If you read his comments you will come to the conclusion that Palestine was indeed inhabited by Palestinians. It was the job of the Zionists to make it seem otherwise. Which is why you think what you think.
2.Your map is just colored but in reality the population of Palestinians were villages scattered around Israel, they never were or thought they were a people before 48.
That don't mean jack shit. The United States of America did not come to existence until 1777 with the Articles of Confederation, and the people of the 13 territories did not think of themselves as "Americans" until probably well into the first quarter of the XVIII century. Does this give any schmuck with extra plutonium any authority or moral backing for him/her to first illegally invade my country and then try to secede from it, all the while trying to isolate the native population on the grounds that it did not exist because part of its territory belonged to the British and Spanish empires? Ludicrous at best. We did this to the Native Americans, but there is nothing we can do about that now. Israel does have a chance to change things around though.
3.Israel was neglected and the Jewish people who came there bought LOTS of land and started drying swamps and building cities , after they developed it the Arabs started to want it because they wanted the work of the Jewish people, but they never did it themself.
Well, the Zionists never saw the return to Israel on peaceful grounds, in fact it was based on "gradual Jewish infiltration" (source: History of Israel (http://books.google.com/books?id=ruonOB1hI3kC&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=ugly+history+of+israel&source=bl&ots=Dz1YPbxdtb&sig=AOLuHhUL6s_w34SfaX6RWxozSZ8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA4,M1)). They (the Zionists) knew they were going to find opposition and they devised a way to get rid of the local population, in a very methodical and inhuman manner (reminiscent to the one used by the Nazis on the Jews). The lame story that Jews went into Palestine, turned the desert into Ireland, water into wine and people walking on water bullshit... I've heard before and I STILL do not believe it, so save your spit and stick to the facts not something you've read in Javelschpizlebaum magazine.
4.Now lets talk post UN resolution, thats the logical thing, the loss of land there was due to ONE reason, WARS, if you attack and lose don't expect to get it back. Especially if you have a hostile population, Israel hold lands as a BUFFER ZONE. Just as they did in south Lebanon, do you really think anyone wants those parts? South Lebanon was a military zone, there were no civilians, it was nothing more than a buffer zone to keep the fighting that Hizballah initiated out of Israel and in their territory.
That is total bullshit! In the case of Lebanon it is well know that southern Lebanon was always a "sought commodity" by the Israeli state for its water resources. There was never an attack coming from any Lebanese into Israel prior to the invasion. In fact, the only attacks came from the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) in southern Lebanon from radicalized sectors of the Palestinian refugee community which were pushed into southern Lebanon by the fucking Israelis themselves.
The Mossad knew the Lebanese had nothing to do with the attacks. There was also the issue of Lebanon becoming an economic success in the Middle East, Beirut being the "Paris of the Middle East" mind ya, which the I-can-walk-over-water crowd did not like and decided to turn into Rubbletown because the Zionists did not like. Hezbollah came afterwards, much like the radicalized versions of the PLO or the attacks from Israel's neighbors. But that has little to do with Arabs and a lot to do with the Zionist's # 1 skill, which is turning sympathy for Jews into hate towards all Jewish people.
5.The Palestinians receive EVERYTHING from Israel, gas,food,power and so on, if Israel truly did a blockade on them (not terror related, you most block Gaza when they launch rockets/bombers) they would be dead long ago.
Well, occupying a territory comes with its own "complications". I refer you to Article 55 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states that “to the fullest extent of the means available to it, the Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the resources of the occupied territory are inadequate.” During the past couple of months Israel stopped providing all these things, which is what prompted a radicalized segment of Hamas to say "fuck the cease fire" and the Israeli army to embark in another massacre of Palestinian civilians in the name of Israeli "security". Notice that this is a tactic Israel uses OFTEN and involves breaking every rule in the book, like kidnapping humanitarian UN personnel over international waters or making NEUTRAL people "disappear".
6.Hamas is a terror organization
So is the Israeli army. Now, the Israeli army WAS NOT voted into power, HAMAS WAS voted into power by the Palestinians.
thinking that they won't fake a few ballots is retarded, not to mention that they hurt their people more than anyone, Hitler was voted democratically too......always remember that.
Quote to me ONE NON-JEWISH source saying that the election was stolen by Hamas. ONE FUCKING SOURCE. JUST ONE.
Look, all I'm saying is that all these antisemitism crowd is fighting a losing battle unless the Zionists are done away with, much in the manner the Germans did with the Nazis after WWII.
Unless Jews are able to do that, it does not matter how many newspapers Zionists buy, antisemitism will increase and the (in)moral grounds for Holocaust II will be laid down for the next Hitler-like mótherfucker to exploit.
LEARN FROM MISTAKES. DO NOT BECOME ONE.
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Look it up idiot, using a smiley doesn't make you right.
I can't comprehend how anyone can even think that Israel wants Gaza....more than a millions bitter losers that like violence and think that all Jewish people should die...yeah...sounds like the dream of every Israeli prime minister. ::)
I have one thing to say about Israel and the Gaza strip: The Allon plan of 1967. If you think Israel does not want the Gaza strip, just read about this plan. Pssss, it involves the expatriation on hundreds of thousands of Palestinians into the northern part of the Sinai peninsula, so that they could keep the strip all to themselves.
So... I do not understand why you would say "I can't comprehend how anyone can even think that Israel wants Gaza". Might it be because you refuse TO READ?
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Like i said earlier, Bill Clinton said in his memoirs that he shocked and blamed Arafat for this mess since Israel was offering 90% of what the palistinians wanted and that was not enough.
If 90% is not enough for these barbarians, than screw em, let them fight Israel to the death and hopefully they will end up with 0%.
That is definitely NOT TRUE.
Arafat or the Palestinians did not walk away from anything. What Arafat did was bring the proposal to all Arab nations' leaders and listen to their opinion on the content and fairness of the proposal. Negotiations went on for a couple more weeks (in Taba I believe) and the proposal was eventually informally withdrawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taba_Summit) from the newly elected president Sharon.
Here's the video, which I think Benny Blanco originaly posted in another thread:
Cheers.
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That is definitely NOT TRUE.
Arafat or the Palestinians did not walk away from anything. What Arafat did was bring the proposal to all Arab nations' leaders and listen to their opinion on the content and fairness of the proposal. Negotiations went on for a couple more weeks (in Taba I believe) and the proposal was eventually informally withdrawn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taba_Summit) from the newly elected president Israel Sharon.
Here's the video, which I think Benny Blanco originaly posted in another thread:
Cheers.
This is no different than a school yard fight. Fighting does solve everything and until there is a defined winner, this garbage will continue.
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This is no different than a school yard fight. Fighting does solve everything and until there is a defined winner, this garbage will continue.
If I tell you that there is ample opinion from intellectuals and people who have ACTUALLY been involved in wars in which they pretty much agree that as far as wars go winning and losing is only a temporary concept/human perception, meaning it's never definite... would you believe me?
Aside from this, and if fighting is what you prefer as the desireable outcome, would you say the Israelo-Palestinian conflict is a balanced fight or outright abuse? When is throwing rocks and blowing yourself up or launching home-made rockets considered an "equal" to tanks, missiles or Migs? I don't know about you, but when someone in high school (since you used the school example) fights someone in kindergarden... it's not considered an actual fight. That would be the equivalent of calling pedophilia a "lifestyle choice" (from Bill Maher).
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If I tell you that there is ample opinion from intellectuals and people who have ACTUALLY been involved in wars in which they pretty much agree that as far as wars go winning and losing is only a temporary concept/human perception, meaning it's never definite... would you believe me?
Aside from this, and if fighting is what you prefer as the desireable outcome, would you say the Israelo-Palestinian conflict is a balanced fight or outright abuse? When is throwing rocks and blowing yourself up or launching home-made rockets considered an "equal" to tanks, missiles or Migs? I don't know about you, but when someone in high school (since you used the school example) fights someone in kindergarden... it's not considered an actual fight. That would be the equivalent of calling pedophilia a "lifestyle choice" (from Bill Maher).
Ask yourself this question. If the situations were reversed and the Palestinians had the weaponry and Israel had the rocks and Qassam rockets, would it be any different? No. It would probably be worse. It's war. Since when is it supposed to be fair? Has anyone in war throughout history said, "Oh wait, we're vastly superior to them. Let's throw down our weapons and use what they're using." No. The Russians do this to the Chechens. The Chinese to the Tibetans. The Europeans throughout the ages. The Colombians against FARC. The Africans against each other. You sound like an idiot and a child making that argument. I really don't know why I bother reading your posts. You are obviously handicapped and a Muslim.
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Tough crap for them. If the focused on building an economy, maybe they would have money for better guns and bombs, and tanks.
BTW - total war does solve problems that cant be resolved through diplomacy.
you live in your hamlet of Armonk. What if the people from White Plains sent over 6000 rockets to Armonk??
I dont think you would be signing kumbaya and Give peace a chance.
That is nonsense. War is a fact of life. It has been since the dawn of time and will forever.
Read Sun Tzu or "War" by Robert Greene. War is never going away. You either accept it and be good at it or you lose.
The moron palistinians have even pissed off the other arab states and that is why no one is siding with them other than the HAMAS lovers like yourself.
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Ask yourself this question. If the situations were reversed and the Palestinians had the weaponry and Israel had the rocks and Qassam rockets, would it be any different?
You should stick to what you know and not go off into hypothetics, especially when talking about life and death situations. We all know that the only reasons the Israeli army embarks into these terrorist murder campaigns is to ellicit some type of response from its neighbors and has little to do with defending its territory. In fact they are looking to expand it.
No. It would probably be worse. It's war.
This is no war. When did the Israeli state officially declare war on the Palestinian people (or viceversa)? This is just an outright massacre, a large-scale terrorist attack.
Since when is it supposed to be fair? Has anyone in war throughout history said, "Oh wait, we're vastly superior to them. Let's throw down our weapons and use what they're using."
Well... yes, that is indeed the case (I don't understand why you would think otherwise... are you really that "behind"?). For example, we've got nukes... did we use them in Viet Nam or Iraq or Afghanistan? No. Why? Because it wasn't necessary. The same way the Israeli army needs not to kill Palestinian civilians wholesale to get their point accross to the radicalized arm of Hamas. I mean Hamas and Al Fatah are rimming with Mossad operatives, who even know what hand the Hamas people wipe their asses with. So I do not get these violent outbursts of uncontrolled extermination.
Do you think Hamas or the Palestinians really pose a threat to the Israeli state? Do you really think so? I mean, it's like in the 80s and Reagan with the Nicaraguans: Ronald tried to make the point that they were a danger to national security... even though they only had 1 elevator and a helicopter to fight with. I think there is a very dark premise at play here and that is the Israeli army is totally submerged in an ethnic and religious clensing campaign.
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Hamas played with fire and got burned. Tough for them.
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You should stick to what you know and not go off into hypothetics, especially when talking about life and death situations. We all know that the only reasons the Israeli army embarks into these terrorist murder campaigns is to ellicit some type of response from its neighbors and has little to do with defending its territory. In fact they are looking to expand it.
This is no war. When did the Israeli state officially declare war on the Palestinian people (or viceversa)? This is just an outright massacre, a large-scale terrorist attack.
Well... yes, that is indeed the case (I don't understand why you would think otherwise... are you really that "behind"?). For example, we've got nukes... did we use them in Viet Nam or Iraq or Afghanistan? No. Why? Because it wasn't necessary. The same way the Israeli army needs not to kill Palestinian civilians wholesale to get their point accross to the radicalized arm of Hamas. I mean Hamas and Al Fatah are rimming with Mossad operatives, who even know what hand the Hamas people wipe their asses with. So I do not get these violent outbursts of uncontrolled extermination.
Do you think Hamas or the Palestinians really pose a threat to the Israeli state? Do you really think so? I mean, it's like in the 80s and Reagan with the Nicaraguans: Ronald tried to make the point that they were a danger to national security... even though they only had 1 elevator and a helicopter to fight with. I think there is a very dark premise at play here and that is the Israeli army is totally submerged in an ethnic and religious clensing campaign.
You're a fucking idiot who knows nothing, seriously , you have no idea what you're saying.
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Hamas does not want peace....they tell everyone who will listen that they want armed conflict with israel...arguing with muslims about this situation is useless..they will never see things objectively..they don't respect the rights and religions of others and they believe it's okay to convert others to Islam through murder....they really do believe that..even though they will deny it...but again..where are the protests about having freedom for palestinians???...where are the protests against violence???....where are the protests against their own leadership for leading them down the path of destruction???....
and the stupid palestinian leadership lets the other arab countries use them and the blood of their sons and daughters in the fight against Israel while they sit back and drink coffee in their palaces....this is so insane it's amazing!!!
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Hamas does not want peace....they tell everyone who will listen that they want armed conflict with israel...arguing with muslims about this situation is useless..they will never see things objectively..they don't respect the rights and religions of others and they believe it's okay to convert others to Islam through murder....they really do believe that..even though they will deny it...but again..where are the protests about having freedom for palestinians???...where are the protests against violence???....where are the protests against their own leadership for leading them down the path of destruction???....
and the stupid palestinian leadership lets the other arab countries use them and the blood of their sons and daughters in the fight against Israel while they sit back and drink coffee in their palaces....this is so insane it's amazing!!!
sad but true.
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I said in an earlier post that even Bill Clinton blamed arafat for this entire mess when he rejected a deal that would have given the palis over 90% of what they wanted.
I have no sympathy for these barbarians. They brought this upon themselves.
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You're a fucking idiot who knows nothing, seriously , you have no idea what you're saying.
Dude, instead of insulting people why don't you just argument your point and force me to see "da light"... homothug!.
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Hamas does not want peace....they tell everyone who will listen that they want armed conflict with israel...arguing with muslims about this situation is useless..they will never see things objectively..they don't respect the rights and religions of others and they believe it's okay to convert others to Islam through murder....they really do believe that..even though they will deny it...but again..where are the protests about having freedom for palestinians???...where are the protests against violence???....where are the protests against their own leadership for leading them down the path of destruction???....
First, are you sure it's Hamas who do not want peace? Secondly, if Hamas is the problem, why murder Palestinian civilians? What is the Israeli army trying to accomplish with this? Note: I would ask the radicalized version of Hamas the same questions.
and the stupid palestinian leadership lets the other arab countries use them and the blood of their sons and daughters in the fight against Israel while they sit back and drink coffee in their palaces....this is so insane it's amazing!!!
What is really amazing is how you can possibly say that Palestinians are being used by other Arab leaders. That takes some fucking lack of knowledge. The Palestinians are fighting for their territory. The help they get from the other Arab countries is secondary. The same stupidly idiotic argument could be used to say the same thing about Israelis serving their country and the help they get from the USA. The only difference being that their chances of dying is 5 times lower than that of their terrorist (or civilian) Palestinian counterparts.
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I said in an earlier post that even Bill Clinton blamed arafat for this entire mess when he rejected a deal that would have given the palis over 90% of what they wanted.
I have no sympathy for these barbarians. They brought this upon themselves.
Did you click on the youtube video?
The proposal WAS NOT REJECTED by Arafat. The proposal WAS WITHDRAWN by Sharon, who was the Israeli president at the time.
Can you read?
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Dude, instead of insulting people why don't you just argument your point and force me to see "da light"... homothug!.
I can't argue with people who invent "facts" and completely deny the real ones.
So whats up in Allah world today? Bombed anyone today?
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I can't argue with people who invent "facts" and completely deny the real ones.
So whats up in Allah world today? Bombed anyone today?
And what facts might those be? The ones you do not like or the ones you ignore cause you lack the brain capacity for critical thinking (unless they're "watered down" for easy mental digestion)?
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And what facts might those be? The ones you do not like or the ones you ignore cause you lack the brain capacity for critical thinking (unless they're "watered down" for easy mental digestion)?
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I'm not going to review your posts, I got better things to do, I have debated your sorry ass before and you have proved to be a joke. Hence I no longer take you seriously or will spend any time to put any kind of effort to debtate you, like quoting your past posts.
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I'm not going to review your posts, I got better things to do, I have debated your sorry ass before and you have proved to be a joke. Hence I no longer take you seriously or will spend any time to put any kind of effort to debtate you, like quoting your past posts.
Ok. I'll take that as your way of saying "yes you're right".
Cheers.
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Ok. I'll take that as your way of saying "yes you're right".
Cheers.
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First, are you sure it's Hamas who do not want peace? Secondly, if Hamas is the problem, why murder Palestinian civilians? What is the Israeli army trying to accomplish with this? Note: I would ask the radicalized version of Hamas the same questions.
What is really amazing is how you can possibly say that Palestinians are being used by other Arab leaders. That takes some fucking lack of knowledge. The Palestinians are fighting for their territory. The help they get from the other Arab countries is secondary. The same stupidly idiotic argument could be used to say the same thing about Israelis serving their country and the help they get from the USA. The only difference being that their chances of dying is 5 times lower than that of their terrorist (or civilian) Palestinian counterparts.
Dude!!!!..what planet are you on???....how could you POSSIBLY ask me a question like "are you sure that it is Hamas that doesn't want peace?"...to even ask me that question shows you are either crazy or an apologist for Hamas big time....Hamas has said that they want the destruction of Israel and will settle for nothing less...where so you find a wish for peace within that statement???...The palestinian leadership are barbarains...lets be plain..I would have more respect for you if you admitted that Hamas wants the destruction of Israel and will settle for no less....CAN YOU AT LEAST BE HONEST HERE AND NOW AND ADMIT THIS???
STOP HIDING BEHIND NONSENSE AMBIVALENT STATEMENTS LIKE "HAMAS WANTS PEACE"...you tell me right now how do they want peace?..where are their proposals for peace???...they have never ever offered any....it has basically been the same thing over and over.."all jews must leave israel"..that's a wonderful starting point for negotiations huh?
yes the palestinians feel as if they are fighting for their territory....but they are committing suicide by blowing themselves up and by trying to make war with a power who is just as determined and more well-armed than they are....The other arabs have a grieevvvvvance against Israel and hate them as well..BUT..they are not stupid enough to get into armed conflict Israel..they sit back and let the palestinians do it for them....this way the arab countries can tell the world..."see how the israelis are treating arabs?..they are the true aggressors"....meanwhile it if PALESTINIAN blood which flows in the streets..the arabs are powerful enough with their oil wealth to help the palestinians more constructively and to stop them form killing themselves for nothing...but THEY JUST DON'T CARE....when are you going to realize this?
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Dude!!!!..what planet are you on???....how could you POSSIBLY ask me a question like "are you sure that it is Hamas that doesn't want peace?"
I am! How do you know Hamas does not want a peaceful solution to the problem? I'd be happy to know since NO ONE else out there really knows what Hamas wants to do except for you. I mean Hamas accepted a cease fire, a truce (which they later broke... but that is irrelevant).
...to even ask me that question shows you are either crazy or an apologist for Hamas big time....Hamas has said that they want the destruction of Israel and will settle for nothing less...
Well, the UN was indeed tackling that very problem last November but the Israeli army decided to submit Gaza to another inhuman blockade.
where so you find a wish for peace within that statement???...
Well, where do you find a wish for peace in Olmert's "liable to take longer than we can foresee at this moment" statement about the armed conflict?
The palestinian leadership are barbarains...lets be plain
And what is the Israeli military? How do you measure babarianism? By the amount of people killed or the methods? Because I'll have you know that the Israeli army applies methods that are WAY more barbarian than the Hamas' bomb boys.
I would have more respect for you
You don't have to have respect for me because you like or not like my opinion, you have to have respect for me because I am a human being after all.
if you admitted that Hamas wants the destruction of Israel and will settle for no less....CAN YOU AT LEAST BE HONEST HERE AND NOW AND ADMIT THIS???
Well, the same way I can admit that the Israeli government wants the destruction of Palestine. Ask yourself this: Today, 2009, real terms not hypothetical, has the Israeli state been destroyed or has the Palestinian state been destroyed?
STOP HIDING BEHIND NONSENSE AMBIVALENT STATEMENTS LIKE "HAMAS WANTS PEACE"...you tell me right now how do they want peace?
Well, they did agree to a prolongated cease fire, which is the pre-requisite to any talks.
..where are their proposals for peace???...they have never ever offered any....it has basically been the same thing over and over.."all jews must leave israel"..that's a wonderful starting point for negotiations huh?
BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE! How can you say such things. I do remember reading in the NYT about Hamas accepting a peace conferece proposal (source[1] (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-11/13/content_731016.htm),[2] (http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/13/opinion/edbenami.php)). Hamas did indeed buckle on a couple of ocasions.
yes the palestinians feel as if they are fighting for their territory....but they are committing suicide by blowing themselves up and by trying to make war with a power who is just as determined and more well-armed than they are....The other arabs have a grieevvvvvance against Israel and hate them as well..BUT..they are not stupid enough to get into armed conflict Israel..they sit back and let the palestinians do it for them....this way the arab countries can tell the world..."see how the israelis are treating arabs?..they are the true aggressors"....meanwhile it if PALESTINIAN blood which flows in the streets..the arabs are powerful enough with their oil wealth to help the palestinians more constructively and to stop them form killing themselves for nothing...but THEY JUST DON'T CARE....when are you going to realize this?
They are no longer blowing themselves up. The Israeli army is blowing them up.
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Well, they did agree to a prolongated cease fire, which is the pre-requisite to any talks.
They are no longer blowing themselves up. The Israeli army is blowing them up.
1.The so called cease fire on Hamas terms included launching missiles and asking to open the borders so they can smuggle more missiles.
2.They no longer blow themself because of the border that was built and the blockades when there are terrorists alerts.
See...you and facts don't go well together :-\
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There's been talk of putting monitors in Gaza after this shit settles down. Something that I think needs to be done.
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1.The so called cease fire on Hamas terms included launching missiles and asking to open the borders so they can smuggle more missiles.
2.They no longer blow themself because of the border that was built and the blockades when there are terrorists alerts.
See...you and facts don't go well together :-\
Did you click on the links?
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Did you click on the links?
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Wow, 3 years ago Hamas was acting up, good thing it's now in the past and we know that all they wanted was some time to get weaponry and use it on defensless civilians.
Thanks for giving me more ammo and showing Hamas true face, got any more links?
How does it feel to be a pitiful loser? I want an expert opinion :-*
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Slapper..I know that maybe you mean well in your heart..I don't want to make this a personal thing between us....but you never really answer any question that I put to you....I ask you a question and you then deflect it by saying "..and what of this?...and what of that?...never answering my question and trying to remain very ambiguous about what your true feelings really are...and you do this because I suspect you secretly SYMPATHIZE with the suicide bombings and the aggressive posture of Hamas...and you never ever talk about Fatah at all....like you are deliberately ignoring them..probably because they are not militant enough for you..is this true??
Also..Hamas never truly accepts cease-fires.....it is a ploy to gain some time to re-arm..why don't their police arrest those who are launching rockets into israel??
tell us right now....what is your true opinion of Hamas...does Israel have a right to defend itself from Hamas?.....what is your opinion of Fatah?....what is your opinion on Yasser Arafat??....you say that no one knows what Hamas wants to do....tell me..what DO YOU want them to do?..what is your opinion? as to what they should do??...also, you say that it is irrelevant that Hamas broke the cease-fire....really?..so you are saying that Hamas cannot be taken at it's word??..
Also you talk about how can we measure who is a barbarian???..well Hamas sends their children and even their women to die as suicide bombers...plus it hides among women and children during conflicts causing many civilian casualties.....is this not Barbaric???In the history of conflict it is always the endeavour of men to keep women and children OUT of conflict and out of harm's way....Hamas does not do this...
you ay that israel is destroying Palestine....not true....Hamas and the palestinians are destroying palestine by brainwashing their children and population to worship death and to strive towards sacrificing themselves....and the reason that Hamas is not doing suicide bombings recently is because they can no longer make it into Israel with confidence to blow themselves up since Israel has built the wall and strengthened it's defenses against these attacks
and yes I do respect you as a human being....you just need to be a little bit more objective my friend
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Slapper..I know that maybe you mean well in your heart..I don't want to make this a personal thing between us...
Of course I mean well. That goes without saying. As far as the "personal" stuff goes... I'm sorry to say it but I have no idea what you're trying to say. This is a public forum, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If reading things you do not like makes you think that it's "personal" then I can't help you there. All I can say from my part is that I harbor no ill feelings towards no one (and that includes you... just in case you ask me).
but you never really answer any question that I put to you....I ask you a question and you then deflect it by saying "..and what of this?...and what of that?...never answering my question and trying to remain very ambiguous about what your true feelings really are...and you do this because I suspect you secretly SYMPATHIZE with the suicide bombings and the aggressive posture of Hamas
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WHAT?!
H-O-L-Y-S-H-I-T!
I've made my position very clear on various occasions: I do not approve of any civilian killings on either side of the conflict. Now, just because someone does not share your point of view does not mean he/she wants to kill you. Capisci.
...and you never ever talk about Fatah at all....like you are deliberately ignoring them..probably because they are not militant enough for you..is this true??
No, I do not talk about Fatah because I do not know enough about Fatah. Plain and simple. The same way I do not talk about Irgun or Haganah, even though these two Israeli terrorist groups are dead now (or mutated into the Mossad). I know this (http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2008/12/31/israel-s-history-in-quotes).
Having said this, and pardon me for not getting in the ABSURD discussion in morally equating the radicalized military arm of Hamas to the Israeli army, I find all arguments for Israeli righteousness to be laughable. I mean, some of you (although I ignore if you got into the action) have posted some type of derogatory text about the Palestinians being dogs, not loving their kids, etc; yet I have yet to read the same thing from a Palestinian. Furthermore, if launching rockets into civilian enclaves makes you a dog, makes you inhuman, what would you consider the Israeli army's mass bombings of Palestinian civilians? A dog perhaps? And don't tell me that Israel is defending itself. That's has LOOOOONG been refuted to not be the case, outside of American and Israeli circles that is. One has only to look at the maps of the evolution of the Israeli state (territory-wise) to find out that ANY argument about Palestinians being proposed things NO ONE would reject is ludicrous. Or that there is somehow some balance, some equality in how the conflict affects both sides, when it is clear, and one has only to look at the numbers, that the death ratio between Palestinians and Israelis is now 6:1. And finally, the Israeli army is an occupying force. Occupation=attack. Preventing occupation=defense. I cannot make it any clearer. You can add all the rhetoric you want, but that is reality, not spin.
Also..Hamas never truly accepts ceasefires.....it is a ploy to gain some time to re-arm..why don't their police arrest those who are launching rockets into israel??
That is not true, Hamas did accept ceasefires on various occasions, and, unlike Israel, THEY DO ALLOW UN INSPECTORS into their territory. The state of Israel has not complied with more than 60 UN resolutions, so pardon me if I am a it sceptical about ANYTHING they say.
tell us right now....what is your true opinion of Hamas...does Israel have a right to defend itself from Hamas?
The same way Hamas has a right to defend the Palestinian territory from Israel?
.....what is your opinion of Fatah?....what is your opinion on Yasser Arafat??....you say that no one knows what Hamas wants to do....tell me..what DO YOU want them to do?..what is your opinion? as to what they should do??...also, you say that it is irrelevant that Hamas broke the ceasefire....really?..so you are saying that Hamas cannot be taken at it's word??..
No, prior to Hamas resuming its attacks, and therefore ending the ceasefire, the Israeli state did not fullfill its obligations as an occupying power, preventing UN personnel from entering the Gaza strip (according to Israeli "opinion" because they were giving arms to Hamas... don't ask) or kidnapping humanitarian personnel from entering the strip and aleviating what was quickly becoming a humanitarian catastrophe (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7191359.stm). ONLY when the situation became unbearable... that's when Hamas, aka "the dogs", said "fuck it".
Also you talk about how can we measure who is a barbarian???..well Hamas sends their children and even their women to die as suicide bombers...plus it hides among women and children during conflicts causing many civilian casualties.....is this not Barbaric???In the history of conflict it is always the endeavour of men to keep women and children OUT of conflict and out of harm's way....Hamas does not do this...
The Israeli army has killed more Palestinian kids and women than suicide bombers. Way more. If you measure "barbarism" by the amount of people dead, the Israeli army is way more barbaric in its methods than the suicide bombers: They seek to kill more people in a larger territory, while, indoingso, their argument is that terrorists were hiding amongst women and children, when ANY SANE MIND would use that as the reason TO NOT attack.
you ay that israel is destroying Palestine....not true....Hamas and the palestinians are destroying palestine by brainwashing their children and population to worship death and to strive towards sacrificing themselves....and the reason that Hamas is not doing suicide bombings recently is because they can no longer make it into Israel with confidence to blow themselves up since Israel has built the wall and strengthened it's defenses against these attacks
Yes, I do agree that putting children in harms way is deplorable. Anyone with a heart and a mind would tell you that. That goes without saying.
and yes I do respect you as a human being....you just need to be a little bit more objective my friend
Conditional respect. Nice. "I repect you" period would been nicer.
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Israel warns civilians of impedning attacks. They are trying to limit civilian casualties whenever possible, but it is hard when Hamas uses innocents as human shields.
If hamas had israel's arsennal, they would kill every man, woman, and child in isreal
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Israel warns civilians of impedning attacks.
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Riiiiiight!
They are trying to limit civilian casualties whenever possible, but it is hard when Hamas uses innocents as human shields.
Of course. I guess there's nothing wrong with the "when in doubt bomb the fuck out of them anyway" policy.
If hamas had israel's arsennal, they would kill every man, woman, and child in isreal
Let's stick to real life, to what we see in Gaza and not on hypoheticals.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Riiiiiight!
Of course. I guess there's nothing wrong with the "when in doubt bomb the fuck out of them anyway" policy.
Let's stick to real life, to what we see in Gaza and not on hypoheticals.
I guess there's nothing wrong with launching rockets at civilians. Civilians that have nothing to do with the Israeli military or govt. Why is it that Palestinians are the only people in the world who get a free pass on killing people? You were the same moron who was melting down over dead Iraqi civilians. Can't switch hit on this one.
I'm sure you think there's nothing wrong with the leader of Hamas going on TV and telling Palestinians to kill Israeli children and for Jews in Europe to be killed as well. ::)
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I guess there's nothing wrong with launching rockets at civilians.
Civilians that have nothing to do with the Israeli military or govt.
No they don't, and I agree with you on that. But that applies to BOTH sides.
Why is it that Palestinians are the only people in the world who get a free pass on killing people? You were the same moron who was melting down over dead Iraqi civilians. Can't switch hit on this one.
I'm sure you think there's nothing wrong with the leader of Hamas going on TV and telling Palestinians to kill Israeli children and for Jews in Europe to be killed as well. ::)
No, no messieur, that is what YOU are saying. Take for example the latest outburst of violence in the area: Egypt brokers a truce, a ceasefire, between Hamas and the Israeli state. Rocket-launching virtually stops on each side. Israel breaks another UN resolution and submits the Gaza strip to a terrible blockade that KILLS 169 human beings (Red Cross (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/chronic-malnutrition-in-gaza-blamed-on-israel-1019521.html)).
Were you in the same condition, what could you possibly have done?
I have to go to bed now (with a clean conciensce mind you).
Nighty night now.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Riiiiiight!
Of course. I guess there's nothing wrong with the "when in doubt bomb the fuck out of them anyway" policy.
Let's stick to real life, to what we see in Gaza and not on hypoheticals.
Why do you deny facts? Spreading leaflets before striking isn't enough? Not to mention it's a fucking warzone so GTFO people!
You see....you have no credibility.
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libya, iraq, jordan, israel & egypt want peace. iran does not.
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bumpity-bump
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Did you really post a picture that says, "real Americans defend Israel"
You really posted that?
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Yes. When the choice is isreal or the muslim fanatics, I choose isreal.
Personally, I wish we just let the jews do their own thing wo interference and mop up the muslims all over the desert.
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Yes. When the choice is isreal or the muslim fanatics, I choose isreal.
Personally, I wish we just let the jews do their own thing wo interference and mop up the muslims all over the desert.
Why is the choice between muslim fanatics and israel? Are you saying that saying no to Israel is saying yes to muslim extremists? Wait, no, you're saying you don't have a choice. You're saying that you are forced into giving a rats ass about this bullshit. Who exactly is forcing you to give a flying rats ass about what goes on over there?
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Why is the choice between muslim fanatics and israel? Are you saying that saying no to Israel is saying yes to muslim extremists? Wait, no, you're saying you don't have a choice. You're saying that you are forced into giving a rats ass about this bullshit. Who exactly is forcing you to give a flying rats ass about what goes on over there?
Fox News ;D
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We have the typical liberal media spin again in the news.
Israel gets rocket attacks for weeks on end. Israel responds.
It must be Israels' fault for defending itself and they should just accept getting attacked by these poor defenselsss humiliated muslims.
Screw em. Let Israel wipe these vermin out and be done with it already.
The Jews moved into Israel, kicked people out of their homes and declared the land theirs.
Think that might have rubbed some people the wrong way?
What if someone came into your mom's basement with a gun and said you had to leave, that god said it's not you house anymore?
You would be cool with that right? Wrong. You would make 100,000 angry posts, you heavy hitter.
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The Jews moved into Israel, kicked people out of their homes and declared the land theirs.
Think that might have rubbed some people the wrong way?
What if someone came into your mom's basement with a gun and said you had to leave, that god said it's not you house anymore?
You would be cool with that right? Wrong. You would make 100,000 angry posts, you heavy hitter.
And the Jews have tried making peace with these animals many times over and offered 95% of what they wanted time and time again. And they said no.
Even bill clinton said the palis are their own worst enemy and dont want peace.
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And the Jews have tried making peace with these animals many times over and offered 95% of what they wanted time and time again. And they said no.
Even bill clinton said the palis are their own worst enemy and dont want peace.
After they stole their homes? Are you being serious?
Of course they don't want 'peace'. They want their fuckn land back. Who wouldn't?
There is no way to justify stealing someone's land. Just give it up.
You're just a racist and the Arabs are brown, so you hate them. Just admit it already.
If the Arabs came and stole the some white people's land in Manhattan, at gunpoint, what would your reaction be? Would the whites fighting back be 'animals' who didn't want 'peace'?
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After they stole their homes? Are you being serious?
Of course they don't want 'peace'. They want their fuckn land back. Who wouldn't?
There is no way to justify stealing someone's land. Just give it up.
You're just a racist and the Arabs are brown, so you hate them. Just admit it already.
If the Arabs came and stole the some white people's land in Manhattan, at gunpoint, what would your reaction be? Would the whites fighting back be 'animals' who didn't want 'peace'?
Have you ever read a history book?
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More than you.
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More than you.
Obviously you skipped the chapter on WW2 and its aftermath.
Bro - have you been checked out for TBI?
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TBI isn't funny, I don't know why you keep asking me that. I wasn't involved in an IED explosion.
You're a racist and it's pointless to argue with you.
As to the original post of this thread, I couldn't agree more.
Can you imagine how much we would have saved in blood and treasure had we not supported this religious garbage of this worthless piece of shit sand land in the middle of nowhere? Let's these people kill each other off for their god, I don't give a shit.
There's too many people in the world and we might as well get rid of religious morons if it is war we must have. Recognize it for the natural selection that it is and move on. Grow up or die.
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Yes. When the choice is isreal or the muslim fanatics, I choose isreal.
Personally, I wish we just let the jews do their own thing wo interference and mop up the muslims all over the desert.
and if we did that the blame would go to the U.S. anyway due to our support of Israel,,,not to mention we would be dragged into another war .....I am very pro-israel but they can't have Carte Blanche to just do anything without our pproval
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Fox News ;D
that explains your dumbness :)