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Title: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: divcom on December 29, 2008, 05:02:36 AM
For guys who have worked in the middle east...why doesnt the usa disarm israel and setup our forces over there?  basically...disarm them similar to germany and japan (wwII jacka$$e$) and protect them. same effect but we control the conflict.  as long as they can go on a $5B FREE of charge shopping sprees for our arms yrly...this stuff wont end.



WASHINGTON – Israel's foreign minister says the Jewish state had "no alternative" but to launch a series of attacks in Gaza.

Tzipi Livni (TSIH'-pee LIHV'-nee) said her country "tried everything in order to avoid this military operation," but that Israel would not live under attack by Hamas.

Livni said, "Israel is looking to give its citizens a decent life, the right to live in peace and quiet like any other citizens in the world."

The foreign minister, interviewed Monday on CBS's "The Early Show," said she wishes Israel could live in peace, "but this is not the situation unfortunately."

The Bush administration has blamed the renewed violence on Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip. The United States said Hamas broke a cease-fire by firing rockets and mortars deep into Israeli territory. The Arab world, however, has reacted with rage to the aggressive Israeli counterattacks, which has killed and injured hundreds.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 29, 2008, 06:30:22 AM
For guys who have worked in the middle east...why doesnt the usa disarm israel and setup our forces over there?  basically...disarm them similar to germany and japan (wwII jacka$$e$) and protect them. same effect but we control the conflict.  as long as they can go on a $5B FREE of charge shopping sprees for our arms yrly...this stuff wont end.



WASHINGTON – Israel's foreign minister says the Jewish state had "no alternative" but to launch a series of attacks in Gaza.

Tzipi Livni (TSIH'-pee LIHV'-nee) said her country "tried everything in order to avoid this military operation," but that Israel would not live under attack by Hamas.

Livni said, "Israel is looking to give its citizens a decent life, the right to live in peace and quiet like any other citizens in the world."

The foreign minister, interviewed Monday on CBS's "The Early Show," said she wishes Israel could live in peace, "but this is not the situation unfortunately."

The Bush administration has blamed the renewed violence on Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip. The United States said Hamas broke a cease-fire by firing rockets and mortars deep into Israeli territory. The Arab world, however, has reacted with rage to the aggressive Israeli counterattacks, which has killed and injured hundreds.

Get the facts right, it's not even close to what you claim.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 29, 2008, 06:45:38 AM
For guys who have worked in the middle east...why doesnt the usa disarm israel and setup our forces over there?  basically...disarm them similar to germany and japan (wwII jacka$$e$) and protect them. same effect but we control the conflict.  as long as they can go on a $5B FREE of charge shopping sprees for our arms yrly...this stuff wont end.



WASHINGTON – Israel's foreign minister says the Jewish state had "no alternative" but to launch a series of attacks in Gaza.

Tzipi Livni (TSIH'-pee LIHV'-nee) said her country "tried everything in order to avoid this military operation," but that Israel would not live under attack by Hamas.

Livni said, "Israel is looking to give its citizens a decent life, the right to live in peace and quiet like any other citizens in the world."

The foreign minister, interviewed Monday on CBS's "The Early Show," said she wishes Israel could live in peace, "but this is not the situation unfortunately."

The Bush administration has blamed the renewed violence on Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip. The United States said Hamas broke a cease-fire by firing rockets and mortars deep into Israeli territory. The Arab world, however, has reacted with rage to the aggressive Israeli counterattacks, which has killed and injured hundreds.

They are a soverign nation and dont need our soldiers to fight their fight.

Like any school yard fight, letting it go almost always results in its finality.

Let these two fight it out and the loser goes home.     
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: shootfighter1 on December 29, 2008, 06:52:55 AM
Very reasonable for Israel to defend itself.  However, we give too much $ to them in aid.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 29, 2008, 07:32:14 AM
Very reasonable for Israel to defend itself.  However, we give too much $ to them in aid.


I hate it when people say it without knowing how it works, please check it throughly.
It far from how you people present it.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: shootfighter1 on December 29, 2008, 07:52:43 AM
Are you saying we do not give disproportional amounts of aid to Israel?  You are sorely mistaken if you think that.

I fully support Israel defending itself from the terrorist groups along its boarders...but to ignore the fact that we give them a enormous amount of money (that we don't have) is incorrect.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 29, 2008, 08:54:40 AM
Are you saying we do not give disproportional amounts of aid to Israel?  You are sorely mistaken if you think that.

I fully support Israel defending itself from the terrorist groups along its boarders...but to ignore the fact that we give them a enormous amount of money (that we don't have) is incorrect.

We give them loans and they have never defaulted on even one of them.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 29, 2008, 09:33:37 AM
That's a brilliant concept. I mean, it's not like we spend $3 to $4 BILLION in a week in Iraq. So basically, we'd spend 2x as much in less than a month there. We could rack up another $4 trillion in debt disarming and defending a country that we don't need to. 
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 29, 2008, 10:01:46 AM
Are you saying we do not give disproportional amounts of aid to Israel?  You are sorely mistaken if you think that.

I fully support Israel defending itself from the terrorist groups along its boarders...but to ignore the fact that we give them a enormous amount of money (that we don't have) is incorrect.

Israel doesn't get money, it kind of like a Walmart sale. If Israel buys equipment in X moneythey get Y more money of equipment, it's actually an artificial way to pump more money into the indangered military industry in the US.

I can explain more on this I have before but most of you are stuck with notions that the general media inserted into your minds.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: headhuntersix on December 29, 2008, 10:05:16 AM
Ridiculous statement. He assumes that both sides are somehow even in this conflict or that Israel can't defend itself. Israel is doing what we wish we could do to these worthless pricks.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: shootfighter1 on December 29, 2008, 11:30:16 AM
I agree with Israel striking.  You can't fight terrorists in your backyard with diplomacy.

Perhaps there are aid details that are not well publicized, but I have seen aid breakdowns where Israel is by far the largest recipient of US financial aid.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Mars on December 29, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
but who are the terrorists?
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 29, 2008, 12:07:35 PM
I agree with Israel striking.  You can't fight terrorists in your backyard with diplomacy.

Perhaps there are aid details that are not well publicized, but I have seen aid breakdowns where Israel is by far the largest recipient of US financial aid.


The supposed budget Israel gets for military purchases is BS, look into the details.
You just hear some number and base your opinion on it.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Hugo Chavez on December 29, 2008, 12:16:25 PM
Israel doesn't get money, it kind of like a Walmart sale. If Israel buys equipment in X moneythey get Y more money of equipment, it's actually an artificial way to pump more money into the indangered military industry in the US.

I can explain more on this I have before but most of you are stuck with notions that the general media inserted into your minds.
congrats... you're a walking billboard for Stormfront.  They should pay you for the advertising you do.  You spew such epic jackassary, even my dog wants to exterminate you.  Lucky for you I talked her down.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: shootfighter1 on December 29, 2008, 12:39:04 PM
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

This looked like the most credible link I can come up with.  I skimmed all of it. 
-We are increasing aid to Israel over the next 10 yrs (an additional 6 billion). 
-Most of the recent funds given to Israel were to purchase military equipment.  75% from US made miltary supplies and up to 25% Israeli supplies.  I suppose I understand the need for this.
-A portion of aid is for resettlement (MRA fund), which is bullshit.  There are loans for housing shortages, economic recovery, schools & hospitals grants, combined scientific&business programs, emergency aid (JEDG), and funding for movement and installation of troops.  I do not agree with these grants and loans.

-Israel became the largest recipient of US aid in 1974 and remains the #1 recipient of aid outside of Iraq during the Iraq war.
-Israel has not defaulted on any US low interest loans. 
-Military expendatures make up 2/3 of total aid.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: shootfighter1 on December 29, 2008, 12:41:40 PM
Mars, It has been reported that HAMAS has been firing missles into Israel in recent months.  It makes perfect sense for Israel to strike back and strike harder.  These people are indoctrinated with religious and cultural hate...hard to reason with centuries of religious hatred and ignorance.  Thats why I don't blame Israel for striking back.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 29, 2008, 02:24:12 PM
congrats... you're a walking billboard for Stormfront.  They should pay you for the advertising you do.  You spew such epic jackassary, even my dog wants to exterminate you.  Lucky for you I talked her down.

Why do you keep deleting my posts, prick?
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: OzmO on December 29, 2008, 02:25:38 PM
Mars, It has been reported that HAMAS has been firing missles into Israel in recent months.  It makes perfect sense for Israel to strike back and strike harder.  These people are indoctrinated with religious and cultural hate...hard to reason with centuries of religious hatred and ignorance.  Thats why I don't blame Israel for striking back.

Was there anything that provoked HAMAS shooting missiles into Israel or do they have a side to the story here?  

I find it hard to believe that they just fired missiles for no reason.  (not that the reason would be valid or appropriate, i just want to know why)
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 29, 2008, 02:27:43 PM
Was there anything that provoked HAMAS shooting missiles into Israel or do they have a side to the story here?  

I find it hard to believe that they just fired missiles for no reason.  (not that the reason would be valid or appropriate, i just want to know why)

They've been firing missiles throughout the "cease fire". Hamas, which controls the police force in Gaza, has done nothing to stop the launching groups. Thus Israel took action.

No one can violate the terms of a cease fire for months and not expect a reprisal.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: OzmO on December 29, 2008, 02:35:27 PM
They've been firing missiles throughout the "cease fire". Hamas, which controls the police force in Gaza, has done nothing to stop the launching groups. Thus Israel took action.

No one can violate the terms of a cease fire for months and not expect a reprisal.

The reprisal is unfortunate, but understandable even though the loss of innocent lives is terrible.

So independent terrorists (who are able to operate there without interference from "Hamas") are just firing missiles for no stated reason?
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 29, 2008, 02:37:14 PM
Was there anything that provoked HAMAS shooting missiles into Israel or do they have a side to the story here?  

I find it hard to believe that they just fired missiles for no reason.  (not that the reason would be valid or appropriate, i just want to know why)

They are firing missiles at civilian targets for 8 YEARS, it's just shitty media that hides it.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

This looked like the most credible link I can come up with.  I skimmed all of it. 
-We are increasing aid to Israel over the next 10 yrs (an additional 6 billion). 
-Most of the recent funds given to Israel were to purchase military equipment.  75% from US made military supplies and up to 25% Israeli supplies.  I suppose I understand the need for this.
-A portion of aid is for resettlement (MRA fund), which is bullshit.  There are loans for housing shortages, economic recovery, schools & hospitals grants, combined scientific&business programs, emergency aid (JEDG), and funding for movement and installation of troops.  I do not agree with these grants and loans.

-Israel became the largest recipient of US aid in 1974 and remains the #1 recipient of aid outside of Iraq during the Iraq war.
-Israel has not defaulted on any US low interest loans. 
-Military expenditures make up 2/3 of total aid.

Hopefully I will get around to Read this throughly and reply, I don't want to half ass it after you brought such an interesting document.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 29, 2008, 02:37:47 PM
The reprisal is unfortunate, but understandable even though the loss of innocent lives is terrible.

So independent terrorists (who are able to operate there without interference from "Hamas") are just firing missiles for no stated reason?

Stated reason? They want to destroy Israel. Hamas says they're going to drive the Israeli's into the sea. That's your reason. They've launched over 6,000 rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians this year. If Canada or Mexico did that to us, they would've been a smoldering crater 5,900 rockets ago.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Ron on December 29, 2008, 02:51:23 PM
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I fully support Israel defending itself from the terrorist groups along its boarders...but to ignore the fact that we give them a enormous amount of money (that we don't have) is incorrect.

Israel does get money from the US, as many other countries too.  However, they are restricted into various means, aka selling technology. Can you imagine if Israel could sell billions of dollars worth of technology to countries around the world. They would make a ton of money, incredible amounts.

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Was there anything that provoked HAMAS shooting missiles into Israel or do they have a side to the story here? I find it hard to believe that they just fired missiles for no reason. (not that the reason would be valid or appropriate, i just want to know why)

Hamas' aim is the destruction of Israel. Simple as that. They knew Israel would eventually fire back, but not to this extreme. That they did not anticipate. A picture of a father holding his dead son killed by an Israeli missle is the firepower they need to provoke Arabs and get more money for their aim.  You don't see them talking about the 2 girls their own missle killed in Gaza. Or the people they are killed all because they just want peace with Israel.

How many times was Hamas warned. The gov of Israel even went on Arabic television pleading with Hamas to stop. They didn't and won't.  Stopping would mean not acheiving their claim of destroying Israel. I know that is hard to understand to some, as in the US and many other parts, it is unthinkable.

Almosts as unthinkable as someone going to a house of Christmas Eve, killing nine people, and then burning them up.


Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: OzmO on December 29, 2008, 03:56:47 PM
Stated reason? They want to destroy Israel. Hamas says they're going to drive the Israeli's into the sea. That's your reason. They've launched over 6,000 rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians this year. If Canada or Mexico did that to us, they would've been a smoldering crater 5,900 rockets ago.

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Hamas' aim is the destruction of Israel. Simple as that. They knew Israel would eventually fire back, but not to this extreme. That they did not anticipate. A picture of a father holding his dead son killed by an Israeli missle is the firepower they need to provoke Arabs and get more money for their aim.  You don't see them talking about the 2 girls their own missle killed in Gaza. Or the people they are killed all because they just want peace with Israel.

How many times was Hamas warned. The gov of Israel even went on Arabic television pleading with Hamas to stop. They didn't and won't.  Stopping would mean not acheiving their claim of destroying Israel. I know that is hard to understand to some, as in the US and many other parts, it is unthinkable.

Almosts as unthinkable as someone going to a house of Christmas Eve, killing nine people, and then burning them up.


So, it's:  We just hate you so we are going to ignore the cease fire an fire missiles anyway?  That doesn't make much sense and doesn't help their cause.  They are not going to destroy Israel by firing missiles at them and they will never have enough to fire to make a real difference other than then to evoke this retaliation.

That's why i think there's more to it.  But maybe it is as you both say. 
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Ron on December 29, 2008, 05:58:52 PM
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So, it's:  We just hate you so we are going to ignore the cease fire an fire missiles anyway?  That doesn't make much sense and doesn't help their cause.  They are not going to destroy Israel by firing missiles at them and they will never have enough to fire to make a real difference other than then to evoke this retaliation.

Their intention is to provoke sympathy throughout the entire Muslim and non-Muslim world so they can get pressure and more money to help their cause. Anger brings money in. And bigger players into the region, aka Russia, Iran and more. 

A picture is worth a thousand words and lots of money.  Hamas has lost supporters and money.  This way, they think they can raise more money and get more supporters. 

See, they will announce that because of this, they have recruited 1,000 more members who 'volunteered' plus more money will come into their coffers based on 'religious' beliefs. 

Yes, it is very hard to understand what it means to be hated and wanting the destruction of something.  People cannot comprehend that.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: headhuntersix on December 29, 2008, 07:42:59 PM
The reprisal is unfortunate, but understandable even though the loss of innocent lives is terrible.

So independent terrorists (who are able to operate there without interference from "Hamas") are just firing missiles for no stated reason?

Ozmo I find it bizarre that ur the guy asking what their reason was. Ur smarter then that.....Hamas doesn't need a reason.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: OzmO on December 29, 2008, 08:11:22 PM
Ozmo I find it bizarre that ur the guy asking what their reason was. Ur smarter then that.....Hamas doesn't need a reason.
The idea that someone doesn't need a reason is plausible.  The idea that a group doesn't need a reason is propaganda.  The reason may not be logical or valid, but its a stated reason none the less.  Evoking Israel's wrath to gain sympathy in the arab world doesn't make much sense to me.  I still think there is more than that.  However, as Ron has explained it may be just that.  Also real peace may mean the end of Hamas and that's why they attacked.

By the way....anyone know how many Israelis were killed from the rocket attacks during the cease fire? 
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 29, 2008, 08:16:16 PM
Ozmo I find it bizarre that ur the guy asking what their reason was. Ur smarter then that.....Hamas doesn't need a reason.
hamas won the election
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: tonymctones on December 29, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
The idea that someone doesn't need a reason is plausible.  The idea that a group doesn't need a reason is propaganda.  The reason may not be logical or valid, but its a stated reason none the less.  Evoking Israel's wrath to gain sympathy in the arab world doesn't make much sense to me.  I still think there is more than that.  However, as Ron has explained it may be just that.  Also real peace may mean the end of Hamas and that's why they attacked.

By the way....anyone know how many Israelis were killed from the rocket attacks during the cease fire? 
i think that its whats engrained in their minds, i also wouldnt be suprised if the government in palestine doesnt have a firm grasp on its militant faction as a whole and either dont want to get them to stop for fear or repraisal or just would rather have them do the dirty work.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 29, 2008, 10:58:14 PM
The idea that someone doesn't need a reason is plausible.  The idea that a group doesn't need a reason is propaganda.  The reason may not be logical or valid, but its a stated reason none the less.  Evoking Israel's wrath to gain sympathy in the arab world doesn't make much sense to me.  I still think there is more than that.  However, as Ron has explained it may be just that.  Also real peace may mean the end of Hamas and that's why they attacked.

By the way....anyone know how many Israelis were killed from the rocket attacks during the cease fire? 


Yesterday 2 Israelis were killed and 20-30 injured.
But it's not due to Hamas not trying, they launched more than 100 rockets, it's just that their incompetent.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2008, 08:33:58 AM
Hamas' aim is the destruction of Israel. Simple as that. They knew Israel would eventually fire back, but not to this extreme.

Their intention is to provoke sympathy throughout the entire Muslim and non-Muslim world so they can get pressure and more money to help their cause. Anger brings money in. And bigger players into the region, aka Russia, Iran and more. 

I think these are both pretty good assesments of the situation.

Frankly, I'm kind of suprised that Israel has waited this long.

I understand the argument of proportionality but I just don't see that as a valid excuse over and over again (IMO).

Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: OzmO on December 30, 2008, 08:39:05 AM

Yesterday 2 Israelis were killed and 20-30 injured.
But it's not due to Hamas not trying, they launched more than 100 rockets, it's just that their incompetent.

I wonder where they are getting the rockets.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 30, 2008, 08:49:03 AM
I wonder where they are getting the rockets.

Some they make in Gaza, some they smuggle through tunnels from Egypt.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: shootfighter1 on December 30, 2008, 09:40:50 AM
I tend to agree with Ron's interpretation of whats happening as well.  We don't know all the facts and Israel isn't completely free of guilt but it seems Israel has gone to great lengths to warm Hamas and pleaded with them to stop attacking them.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 09:45:41 AM
I tend to agree with Ron's interpretation of whats happening as well.  We don't know all the facts and Israel isn't completely free of guilt but it seems Israel has gone to great lengths to warm Hamas and pleaded with them to stop attacking them.


I think Israel is doing this now, as opposed to a few months from now for obvious reasons, hint  . . . hint.  ..  .

Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2008, 09:51:08 AM
I think Israel is doing this now, as opposed to a few months from now for obvious reasons, hint  . . . hint.  ..  .



yep, I was thinking that also.

I'm sure the transition of power in the US played some part in their timing
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 10:00:14 AM
yep, I was thinking that also.

I'm sure the transition of power in the US played some part in their timing

Serious, what is the difference of say 3000 rockets vs. only 1000 rockets? 

In my mind, more than a few rockets would have been enough.  However, Israel knows it can get away with more now as opposed to when Obama takes over.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 30, 2008, 10:02:49 AM
If a country goes on Arab TV and pleads with them to stop attacking their civilians and watches as said aggressors continue to launch 100+ rockets daily into their country, well then, they welcome everything they're getting. If they really cared about their people and the rest of the Palestinians in Gaza, then they would have stopped launching the rockets when Israel pleaded with them to. Hamas has absolutely no regard for the rest of the Palestinians and only uses them as a tool to further their agenda, i.e. by launching rockets from civilian homes and school rooftops.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Straw Man on December 30, 2008, 10:07:14 AM
Serious, what is the difference of say 3000 rockets vs. only 1000 rockets? 

In my mind, more than a few rockets would have been enough.  However, Israel knows it can get away with more now as opposed to when Obama takes over.

I agree with pretty much all of what you've said.

I'm not sure Israel "knows" anything about how Obama will react but I do believe they have a window right now where they can pretty much do whatever they want with the full support of the US and they may also be trying to set the tone (to some extent) for the new administration.

Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 30, 2008, 12:27:41 PM
Israel does get money from the US, as many other countries too.  However, they are restricted into various means, aka selling technology. Can you imagine if Israel could sell billions of dollars worth of technology to countries around the world. They would make a ton of money, incredible amounts.


I would say the jews already did that, they LOVE money that is for sure!

jt
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Mars on December 30, 2008, 01:28:44 PM
yeah but why make money yourself when ur already receiving thousants of millions.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: headhuntersix on December 30, 2008, 01:43:09 PM
I wonder where they are getting the rockets.

Syria and alike.....plenty of folks who will sell to anybody. As far as damage and how many people the rockest kill...first off u guys really need to see an Arab fire a rocket, that should explain most of it. Israel knew that attacking into Gaza would bring a ton of shit down on them plus they just fired alot of top ranking IDF leadership and had to get their house in order before wacking Hamas. They gathered intel, and waited until they could get the most bang for the buck. If they plan to invade into Gaza they don't want a repeat of 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 30, 2008, 01:43:56 PM
israel will never prevail
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 01:50:09 PM
israel will never prevail

what are you smokling today?

Israel can do whatever it wants to these pathetic palistinians, with one arm behind its back.

 
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 30, 2008, 01:54:27 PM
what are you smokling today?

Israel can do whatever it wants to these pathetic palistinians, with one arm behind its back.

 

bwhwhahha, no they cannot, Allah will protect his people who are being murdered by the jews.  Iran will be nuking and microwaving your money hungry friends soon :)

jt
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: 240 is Back on December 30, 2008, 01:57:23 PM
If mexico was firing 100 rockets per day into the USA>... holy shit, we'd wipe them off the map.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 30, 2008, 02:15:55 PM
bwhwhahha, no they cannot, Allah will protect his people who are being murdered by the jews.  Iran will be nuking and microwaving your money hungry friends soon :)

jt

So how is the weather in Gaza bitch?
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 02:18:05 PM
bwhwhahha, no they cannot, Allah will protect his people who are being murdered by the jews.  Iran will be nuking and microwaving your money hungry friends soon :)

jt

You are kidding right????

Allah and his pedophile prophet Mohamed are not protecting anything. 

Israel can single handidly destroy Iran in about a week or two if it wanted. 
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 30, 2008, 02:19:09 PM
think again jew
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 02:19:17 PM
If mexico was firing 100 rockets per day into the USA>... holy shit, we'd wipe them off the map.

They do worse, they send over thousands of illegals who commit crimes, drive drunk, and go on welfare.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 02:21:55 PM
think again jew

Sorry - I am italo- american catholic born.  Nice try though follower of the pedophile Mohammed.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 30, 2008, 02:23:28 PM
think again jew

How many times in your life you have been outperformed by Jewish people? Did it hurt you so bad?
How does it feel believing in a second hand religion, a spin off to the original one, loving some prophet who used to have sex with his donkey ah?
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 02:24:54 PM
think again jew

You are some tough guy sending me private threats that you wont say on the public forum.  Typical.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 30, 2008, 02:40:46 PM
How many times in your life you have been outperformed by Jewish people? Did it hurt you so bad?
How does it feel believing in a second hand religion, a spin off to the original one, loving some prophet who used to have sex with his donkey ah?

Never, Arab's are superior's to jews. 

You are some tough guy sending me private threats that you wont say on the public forum.  Typical.

lying jew.

jt
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 02:45:41 PM
Never, Arab's are superior's to jews. 

lying jew.

jt

Superior in what way???????

Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 30, 2008, 02:50:54 PM
everyway  ;)
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 02:54:21 PM
everyway  ;)

Name three with factual support.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: OzmO on December 30, 2008, 02:56:00 PM
This thread is getting funny now   ;D
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 02:58:49 PM
Never, Arab's are superior's to jews. 

Obviously not in spelling or grammar.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 30, 2008, 03:28:14 PM
Never, Arab's are superior's to jews. 

lying jew.

jt

You're an admitted homosexual. Those muslims you love so much would love nothing more than to bash your head in with the biggest rock they can lift. Congratulations, you're a retard!  :D
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 30, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
You're an admitted homosexual. Those muslims you love so much would love nothing more than to bash your head in with the biggest rock they can lift. Congratulations, you're a retard!  :D

No doubt the prophet mohammed would probably like to have his way with him first.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 30, 2008, 03:31:47 PM
No doubt the prophet mohammed would probably like to have his way with him first.

Hahahaha. Allahu Akbar!!!!
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on December 30, 2008, 03:32:44 PM
I've never met a Jew I didn't admire.



Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Fury on December 30, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
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Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: OzmO on December 30, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
I've never met a Jew I didn't admire.





Yeah, and I never met one that didn't drive me nuts at some point with their stubbornness.  But I've also admired most even so.   ;D
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Ron on December 30, 2008, 04:30:44 PM
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Yeah, and I never met one that didn't drive me nuts at some point with their stubbornness.  But I've also admired most even so.


Yeah, some are stubborn and some are not. And some don't care about how much money or greed. You know, many are like anyone else.

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Never, Arab's are superior's to jews.


Nice, but this is just stupid provocation to ire people, and it makes you look ignorant. In truth, there are many Arabs that are pleasant, very nice and are friends with Jews. Every culture has people that are cool and people that are jerks.

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lying jew.

When someone cannot debate, and uses properganda from white surpremacist sources or obvious Arab properganda instead of real facts, they resort to senseless babble.  How unfortunate.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 30, 2008, 05:52:29 PM
Name three with factual support.

I don't answer to you infidel.  You can refer to Sharma's frequent and factual posts about Muslims and their superiority to others.  You will find tons of examples of how they are superior to others.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=27845;sa=showPosts


When someone cannot debate, and uses properganda from white surpremacist sources or obvious Arab properganda instead of real facts, they resort to senseless babble.  How unfortunate.


I was just stating a fact, that guy is jewish and is lying.

jt

Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 31, 2008, 06:12:11 AM
I don't answer to you infidel.  You can refer to Sharma's frequent and factual posts about Muslims and their superiority to others.  You will find tons of examples of how they are superior to others.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=27845;sa=showPosts

I was just stating a fact, that guy is jewish and is lying.

jt



You cant name even one because you know that muslims and arabs are the barbarians that they are. 

Your religion was started by a pedophile.  Period.

Your butt ugly women walk around in sheets and children, rather than dreaming of getting a job and career, dream of blowing themselves up to go meet 72 nasty, dirty, virgins who probably smell like halibut.

Infidel????

What do you call murders in the name of Islam killing their own children and blowing up fellow mooslums in terrorist attacks???

Face it, you belong to a satanic cult and need exorcism.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 31, 2008, 09:16:49 AM
The Talmud's primary law is that mongrel jews are the highest life form on earth. Christians are considered inferior animals and slaves at best. The righteous indignation generated by non-jews is always portrayed by jews as 'persecution' or 'anti-Semitism'. The Babylonian Talmud is the most vehemently hateful literature in the world, directed against Jesus Christ and Christianity, and therefore, viciously at war against the true Israel of God. Besides this demented preoccupation with the destruction of racially pure Christians, the jewish religion (or criminal code) is obsessed with the most pornographic perversions known to man.

The Greek historian, Herodotus, wrote about this jewish cult sacrificing humans to their devil-god Moloch (Vol. II, p.45). When Christ said, "Your father was a murderer from the beginning" (John 8:44), He was referencing these jews to their god Moloch. In the 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion' (a secret document exposing the jewish conspiracy), Protocol Number 11 states, "The goyim (a derogatory term for White Christians) are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when wolves get hold of the flock?" The Talmud teaches that wherever it is possible, a jew should kill Christians and do so without mercy. "The life of a Goi and all his physical powers belong to a Jew" (A. Rohl, Die Polem p. 20). Even Christians who read the jews' filthy Talmud are slated for death: "Rabbi Jochanan says: A Goi who pries into the law is guilty of death" Sanhedrin (59a). In Zohar (I, 25a) it says, The people of the earth (non-jews) are idolaters, and it has been written about them: Let them be wiped off the face of the earth." These rabbinic writings are not isolated aberrations, but rather they are the definitive norm of jewish thought. The homicidal tendency is cultured bloodlust in a petrie dish from cradle to grave.

At one time or another the jews have been expelled from every country in Europe. Entire jewish populations have been purged. Just to give you a thumbnail chronology of real history, France was one of the first European nations which forced the deportations of jews in 1182 AD; England in 1290; France again in 1306 and 1322; Hungary in 1360; Belgium in 1370; Austria in 1420; Bavaria in 1442; Netherlands in 1444; Poland in 1483; Spain in 1492; Italy in 1492; Lithuania in 1495; Portugal in 1496; Prussia in 1510; Italy in 1540; Prague in 1541 and 1557; the Papal States in 1569; Hamburg in 1649; Vienna in 1669; Slovakia in 1744; Moscow in 1891. This is just the short list to impress upon you the gravity of wholesale rejection against jews. The great repulsion has put jews under worldwide suspicion, and for good reason.


jt
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 31, 2008, 09:43:32 AM
You have a serious mental disorder and need help fast.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 31, 2008, 09:49:24 AM
You have a serious mental disorder and need help fast.

truth hurts doesn't it jew.

jt
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: IFBBwannaB on December 31, 2008, 09:57:23 AM
truth hurts doesn't it jew.

jt

Have you bought the new pair of underwears Nasser put on his site? I heard you like them soiled...fast before Sharma buy them!
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 31, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
truth hurts doesn't it jew.

jt

I guess every catholic is a jew to you?
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: jtsunami on December 31, 2008, 10:26:47 AM
I guess every catholic is a jew to you?

Glad to hear you are not jew.

jt
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: headhuntersix on December 31, 2008, 11:01:08 AM
Well if u guys are superior, I must have missed it. U can't tank, can't fly, can't conduct maintenance on ur vehicles, can't beat the IDF despite having the jump on them, ur horrible infantryman, don't aim ur weapons expect jetliners, like little boys....yeah arabs are great.
Title: Re: Israeli foreign minister defends military strikes
Post by: bigdumbbell on December 31, 2008, 11:05:55 AM
You cant name even one because you know that muslims and arabs are the barbarians that they are. 

Your religion was started by a pedophile.  Period.

Your butt ugly women walk around in sheets and children, rather than dreaming of getting a job and career, dream of blowing themselves up to go meet 72 nasty, dirty, virgins who probably smell like halibut.

Infidel????

What do you call murders in the name of Islam killing their own children and blowing up fellow mooslums in terrorist attacks???

Face it, you belong to a satanic cult and need exorcism.
this one had me LOL