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Anyone see Chris Matthews after Bush's speech?
Pretty dead on IMO.
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missed the speech
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missed the speech
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damn it so did i can somebody post a link i looked on youtube but couldnt find an entire vid
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i very clearly remember the wet spot of a presidency that clinton left.
That wet spot was body fluids and intern sweat.
Turns out Bush left his own wet spot too.
This one is wet with blood of American troops and mothers' tears.
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i very clearly remember the wet spot of a presidency that clinton left.
That wet spot was body fluids and intern sweat.
Turns out Bush left his own wet spot too.
This one is wet with blood of American troops and mothers' tears.
what a piece of shit you are man ::) :o
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what a piece of shit you are man ::) :o
what part of this statement is wrong?
seriously, clinton left as a disgrace. i couldn't stand him. i thought cheating was such an embarassment to the office, robbing it of its dignity.
what is bush leaving?
Trillions of bucks sent to war firms and banks.
4,200 dead soliders in a war in Iraq. So we can install a new bad guy who's kicking us out in 3 years, bases included. oil goes to china.
Afghanistan? Taleban is ruling this new govt, and we're doing 1998 all over again, negotiating with them for caspian oil pipeline rights.
Economy? 1 or 2 or 3 trillion bucks just disappeared. Great work.
I'll take a guy who can't keep his junk in his pants over this mess any day.
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i think he is full of shit thinking that obama will act any different or produce a foreign policy that produces any different result and then trying to label it a neocon policy ::) not suprised this was shown on olbeirmans show though
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what part of this statement is wrong?
seriously, clinton left as a disgrace. i couldn't stand him. i thought cheating was such an embarassment to the office, robbing it of its dignity.
what is bush leaving?
Trillions of bucks sent to war firms and banks.
4,200 dead soliders in a war in Iraq. So we can install a new bad guy who's kicking us out in 3 years, bases included. oil goes to china.
Afghanistan? Taleban is ruling this new govt, and we're doing 1998 all over again, negotiating with them for caspian oil pipeline rights.
Economy? 1 or 2 or 3 trillion bucks just disappeared. Great work.
I'll take a guy who can't keep his junk in his pants over this mess any day.
Sad and true :(
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what part of this statement is wrong?
seriously, clinton left as a disgrace. i couldn't stand him. i thought cheating was such an embarassment to the office, robbing it of its dignity.
what is bush leaving?
Trillions of bucks sent to war firms and banks.
4,200 dead soliders in a war in Iraq. So we can install a new bad guy who's kicking us out in 3 years, bases included. oil goes to china.
Afghanistan? Taleban is ruling this new govt, and we're doing 1998 all over again, negotiating with them for caspian oil pipeline rights.
Economy? 1 or 2 or 3 trillion bucks just disappeared. Great work.
I'll take a guy who can't keep his junk in his pants over this mess any day.
LOL yea and bush was directly responsible for all that nice try spin master...we also havent been attacked in 7+ years either i guess that was just coincidence though huh? fuking moron you trivialize the death of soldiers making it seem like their deaths where all for nothing go fuk yourself jack ass
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LOL and yea all that was directly related to bush nice try spin master...we also havent been attacked in 7+ years either i guess that was just coincidence though huh? fuking moron you trivialize the death of soldiers making it seem like their deaths where all for nothing go fuk yourself jack ass
We were attacked on Bush's watch.
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We were attacked on Bush's watch.
and? we where attacked on clintons watch as well whats your point?
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LOL yea and bush was directly responsible for all that nice try spin master...we also havent been attacked in 7+ years either i guess that was just coincidence though huh? fuking moron you trivialize the death of soldiers making it seem like their deaths where all for nothing go fuk yourself jack ass
We owe it to our Military not to put them in harms way unless we need to.
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and? we where attacked on clintons watch as well whats your point?
You basically said he kept us from being attacked. We were attacked in 1993, and again under Bush's watch. He failed at keep us from being attacked.
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You basically said he kept us from being attacked. We were attacked in 1993, and again under Bush's watch. He didn't keep us from being attacked.
he has since has he not? Nobody including you thought that an attack of that magnitude was possible then no matter what intelligence said if somebody would have told you that prior to 9/11 you would have called them a cook. 9/11 opened everybodies eyes to the real world ive said that many times its a shame that it did take an event such as that but it did.
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We owe it to our Military not to put them in harms way unless we need to.
I agree but you cant just sit back and let the problems come to you, you have to be proactive about shit or you are not really in control.
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he has since has he not? Nobody including you thought that an attack of that magnitude was possible then no matter what intelligence said if somebody would have told you that prior to 9/11 you would have called them a cook. 9/11 opened everybodies eyes to the real world ive said that many times its a shame that it did take an event such as that but it did.
How had he kept us safe? By invading Iraq? All he's done is created terrorism.
On top of that we don't even really know all the parties responsible for 9/11.
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I agree but you cant just sit back and let the problems come to you, you have to be proactive about shit or you are not really in control.
He wasn't pro-active. He started a war in a country that was completely unrelated to the attacks on 9/11. All Bush and Co. have done is created more terrorists world-wide. While neglecting pressing issues here at home.
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How had he kept us safe? By invading Iraq? All he's done is created terrorism.
On top of that we don't even really know who was responsible for the attacks on 9/11.
again you cant argue results, no attacks in 7+ yrs, numerous foiled attempts...I see your point about creating terrorist but at the same time you are spreading pro western ideals as well. Cue the idiots saying killing ppl is creating pro western ideals...no the ridding of a evil dictator, humanitarian aid etc...Wasnt there a guy named khalid shake muhammed or something like that?
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He wasn't pro-active. He started a war in a country that was completely unrelated to the attacks on 9/11. All Bush and Co. have done is created more terrorists world-wide. While neglecting pressing issues here at home.
Again assuming your not one that thinks bush and co. intentionally started this war for reasons yet unknown ::). That was a mistake but after in we couldnt just pull out.
Anywhere we go we would create more terrorist does that mean we shouldnt fight them?
what pressing issues the economy? there where plenty of politicians on both sides of the isle mainly republican that where screaming about it long before it occurred.
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Good point tonymctones...
Clinton and Bush had the same success at stopping terrorists in USA.
Clinton was a lot better at protecting american life overseas.
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Good point tonymctones...
Clinton and Bush had the same success at stopping terrorists in USA.
Clinton was a lot better at protecting american life overseas.
again you are the biggest piece of shit on this board, you trivialize american soldiers deaths to try and further your political party...your a fuking disgrace.
Clinton didnt have the same situation did he? good thing he didnt he probably would have been cowering behind hillary if he had to deal with the shit bush did.
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again you are the biggest piece of shit on this board, you trivialize american soldiers deaths to try and further your political party...your a fuking disgrace.
Clinton didnt have the same situation did he? good thing he didnt he probably would have been cowering behind hillary if he had to deal with the shit bush did.
How do you figure he didn't have the same situation?
We were attacked under his watch in 1993 and he kept us safe until 2000.
Although Clinton did leave office with a giant surplus, no loss of American soldiers, and without having violated our Constitution.
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How do you figure he didn't have the same situation?
We were attacked under his watch in 1993 and he kept us safe until 2000.
Dude, tonymctones just said it very clearly:
BUSH KEPT US JUST AS SAFE AS CLINTON DID.
Actualyl, I diagree. Clinton lost less than 30 ppl at the WTC.
Bush lost one hundred times more than that.
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How do you figure he didn't have the same situation?
We were attacked under his watch in 1993 and he kept us safe until 2000.
LOL your comparing the attack which killed 6 to the attack which killed thousands and saying its the same situation? LOL seriously?
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Dude, tonymctones just said it very clearly:
BUSH KEPT US JUST AS SAFE AS CLINTON DID.
Actualyl, I diagree. Clinton lost less than 30 ppl at the WTC.
Bush lost one hundred times more than that.
It's good to have a dash of common sense here and there. 8)
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Dude, tonymctones just said it very clearly:
BUSH KEPT US JUST AS SAFE AS CLINTON DID.
Actualyl, I diagree. Clinton lost less than 30 ppl at the WTC.
Bush lost one hundred times more than that.
LOL again WOW :o you are a piece of fuking shit, id kick your fuking teeth in if i ever met your dumb ignorant ass.
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LOL your comparing the attack which killed 6 to the attack which killed thousands and saying its the same situation? LOL seriously?
Seriously, we were supposedly attacked by extremist Muslims who hated us just as much in 1993 as they did in 2001.
Some how Clinton protected us from these enraged Arabs from 1993 to 2000.
Are you saying Bin Laden and his band of evil Arabs was more motivated post Clinton than they were in '93?
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Dude, tonymctones just said it very clearly:
BUSH KEPT US JUST AS SAFE AS CLINTON DID.
Actualyl, I diagree. Clinton lost less than 30 ppl at the WTC.
Bush lost one hundred times more than that.
LOL to argue that bush hasnt foiled plots or kept the country safe since 9/11 is an ignorant uphill battle
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Seriously, we were supposedly attacked by extremist Muslims who hated us just as much in 1993 as they did in 2001.
Some how Clinton protected us from these enraged Arabs from 1993 to 2000.
it wasnt that clinton protected us its that the terrorist where inept you really think its the same situation? 6 ppl died as opposed to thousands but your right exactly the same
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LOL your comparing the attack which killed 6 to the attack which killed thousands and saying its the same situation? LOL seriously?
Clinton lost 23 ppl (I think?) at the WTC in 1993.
Bush lost almsot 3000 people at the WTC in 2001.
Clinton was better at protecting us.
tonymctones just made this abundantly clear. Clinton suffered a smaller attack, and Bush was unable to stop a massive one (with much more warnings). If you worked anywhere above the 5th floor, chances are you'd have prefered a clinton presidency.
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it wasnt that clinton protected us its that the terrorist where inept you really think its the same situation? 6 ppl died as opposed to thousands but your right exactly the same
So how do you know that the terrorists didn't get lucky on 9/11 but were "inept" after 9/11 (meaning Bush actually got lucky) like they were between 1993 and 2001?
See, the argument that Bush kept us safe just doesn't work.
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I would definitely label the guy who tried to light his shoes on fire as "inept". HAHA
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So how do you know that the terrorists didn't get lucky on 9/11 but were "inept" after 9/11 (meaning Bush actually got lucky) like they were between 1993 and 2001?
See, the argument that Bush kept us safe just doesn't work.
Yea is does many terroist plots and attempted attacks have been foiled since then have they not? this FACT lends itself to the concept that bushs policies and actions have kept us safe.
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Yea is does many terroist plots and attempted attacks have been foiled since then have they not? this FACT lends itself to the concept that bushs policies and actions have kept us safe.
Yes, plots like the man who tried to light his shoes on fire.
Excellent detective work Bush! ;D
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Yea is does many terroist plots and attempted attacks have been foiled since then have they not? this FACT lends itself to the concept that bushs policies and actions have kept us safe.
How many have been successful, in iraq?
4200 and counting?
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Yes, plots like the man who tried to light his shoes on fire.
Excellent detective work Bush! ;D
your are asserting that no terrorist plots or attacks have been foiled since 9/11?
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your are asserting that no terrorist plots or attacks have been foiled since 9/11?
yeah, what about the one in the UK where we had to stop all those hijackers (who didn't own passports hahaha) from blowing up planes.
hey, didn't 80% of them get released with no charges? Hmmmmm
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your are asserting that no terrorist plots or attacks have been foiled since 9/11?
No, I'm asserting that you can't prove that the Bush administrations despicable tactics have foiled any terror attacks on the United States, including the attack in 2001 when so many innocent Americans were killed.
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No, I'm asserting that you can't prove that the Bush administrations despicable tactics have foiled any terror attacks on the United States, including the attack in 2001 when so many innocent Americans were killed.
http://www.heritage.org/research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm
U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11
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http://www.heritage.org/research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm
U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11
You can prove that it was the Bush administrations tactics that were responsible for thwarting those attacks?
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You can prove that it was the Bush administrations tactics that were responsible for thwarting those attacks?
LOL Combating terrorism is essential for keeping America safe, free, and prosperous.
"Counterterrorism operations have uncovered threats that in some cases, although less sophisticated than the 9/11 attacks and at most loosely affiliated with "al-Qaeda" central, could have resulted in significant loss of life and property if they had been conducted successfully.
The best means to prevent terrorist attacks is effective intelligence collection, information sharing, and coordinated, determined counterterrorism operations that can stop attacks before they are mounted.
Effective operations often require federal, state, local, and international cooperation."
You are implying that none of the actions taken by bush have resulted in us being safer? LOL seriously?
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thats not what i got from that but again if it is then there is no need for an investigation b/c he openly admits it so it should if it has traction that is go straight to prosecution. At any rate i agree with what he has done although i actually do believe that it is a violation of the constitution certain things need to be done its just the simple fact of the matter. freedom isnt free
Enough said, you can't prove Bush has even kept us safe yet you believe and accept (even support the fact) that he has violated our Constitution.
Case closed
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Enough said, you can't prove Bush has even kept us safe yet you believe and accept (even support the fact) that he has violated our Constitution.
Case closed
LOL when did i say i couldnt prove anything i just gave you 19 cases in which terrorist plots where foiled many of which with the help of homeland security, local police, and other support systems.
what does that quote have to do with anything?
LOL maybe you dont understand but certain things will be sacrificed to keep us safe i suppose youd rather him turn a blind eye to it?
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i very clearly remember the wet spot of a presidency that clinton left.
That wet spot was body fluids and intern sweat.
Turns out Bush left his own wet spot too.
This one is wet with blood of American troops and mothers' tears.
The wet spot in that video is the spittle that flies out of Mathews mouth.God what a dickhead he is.
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i very clearly remember the wet spot of a presidency that clinton left.
That wet spot was body fluids and intern sweat.
Turns out Bush left his own wet spot too.
This one is wet with blood of American troops and mothers' tears.
You put shame on every soldier and their family that has fought and died for this country.
You are total and complete pile of garbage.
Because you think the war was based on lies doesn’t give you the right to say things like that.
And may I join Tony Mc in kicking your teeth in.
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Anyone see Chris Matthews after Bush's speech?
Pretty dead on IMO.
He didn't get a tingle up his leg????
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9/11 was planned during Clinton years. THAT'S A FACT.
9/11 was executed during Bush years.
They didn't start planning it in January of 2001.
Question: If we are attacked again on a similar scale in September of 2009, who will you moonbats blame it on???
Bush or Obama??
Careful how you answer.
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Clinton lost 23 ppl (I think?) at the WTC in 1993.
Bush lost almsot 3000 people at the WTC in 2001.
Clinton was better at protecting us.
tonymctones just made this abundantly clear. Clinton suffered a smaller attack, and Bush was unable to stop a massive one (with much more warnings). If you worked anywhere above the 5th floor, chances are you'd have prefered a clinton presidency.
Hey morons, the plot for 9/11 was started in 1995 and Bin Laden even said that he thought the weakness we showed in Somalia and the Cole proved we were paper tigers.
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Hey morons, the plot for 9/11 was started in 1995 and Bin Laden even said that he thought the weakness we showed in Somalia and the Cole proved we were paper tigers.
Exacty!
Why do you think Bin-laden attacked us and Saddam thumbed his nose at us for years??
Beacause they have both said the U.S. DID NOT have the stomach for war.
Because of Clinton they thought that and he proved them right.
Thank God Bush proved them wrong!!
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Did Clinton get the people who attacked us on his watch?
Did Bush get the people who attacked us on his watch?
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We could argue round and round on this. Credible evidence shows that Clinton probably did not do enough to battle terrorist groups which may have led to 9/11 and other attempts. On the other hand, Bush and the administration made a terrible error in going into Iraq IMO, one with far reaching consequences. Hopefully history will see a more democratic Iraq.
One thing we must admit is that we see a very small amount of info/intell reports that each administration must consider. I know there was a lot behind the scenes that we didn't see. To Bush's credit, multiple terrorist plots were foiled since 9/11 and the administration did reorganize gov agencies to better deal with terrorism. That does not justify Iraq but is still positive.
IMO Bush and Chenney made a mistake in not being more open to the American people. Too many things were behind closed doors, which likely lead to more criticizm.
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We could argue round and round on this. Credible evidence shows that Clinton probably did not do enough to battle terrorist groups which may have led to 9/11 and other attempts. On the other hand, Bush and the administration made a terrible error in going into Iraq IMO, one with far reaching consequences. Hopefully history will see a more democratic Iraq.
One thing we must admit is that we see a very small amount of info/intell reports that each administration must consider. I know there was a lot behind the scenes that we didn't see. To Bush's credit, multiple terrorist plots were foiled since 9/11 and the administration did reorganize gov agencies to better deal with terrorism. That does not justify Iraq but is still positive.
IMO Bush and Chenney made a mistake in not being more open to the American people. Too many things were behind closed doors, which likely lead to more criticizm.
i can see your point but there are things that the general public should not know, i know many ppl on here will cry about it but its a simple fact. Certain, probably most information we do not see and should not see while it is pertinent to the situation at hand.
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I agree, but more along the lines of military strategy. Still, I don't believe there was good enough communication between this administration and the people. At very least, they didn't make an effort to give a better perception.
The bias in the news media is something that must be addressed IMO. It is an urgent problem. We need more unbiased news stories without political spin. Its fine to have people like Olbermann and Limbaugh to provide interpretations from their perspective, but we must have more unbiased general jounalists and reporters. The persuit of truth needs to be taught, above all else to upcoming journalists. We need more Tim Russerts and Brit Humes.
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I agree, but more along the lines of military strategy. Still, I don't believe there was good enough communication between this administration and the people. At very least, they didn't make an effort to give a better perception.
The bias in the news media is something that must be addressed IMO. It is an urgent problem. We need more unbiased news stories without political spin. Its fine to have people like Olbermann and Limbaugh to provide interpretations from their perspective, but we must have more unbiased general jounalists and reporters. The persuit of truth needs to be taught, above all else to upcoming journalists. We need more Tim Russerts and Brit Humes.
totally agree news has become a ratings game instead of reporting the news these days. I never really thought about it but ya your right about the lack of effort to give a better perception about things done post 9/11 but if they did then youd have ppl on here yelling about propaganda and shit so they where damned if they did and damned if they didnt.
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I can't comment on everything from this thread but most of u guys have no idea what ur talking about. Most of us have no idea how close other plots have come to being executed. We have no idea what "torture" information has brought us or if it saved lives. But we have not been attacked again have we. The Taliban does not control Afghanistan, nobody does really . We're not taling with them about Caspian oil, 240 u don't know what ur taling about. We are talking with some of them who we think will change sides. The Afghans have a history of this. Iraq is stabilized to a level we can deal with and allow us to pull out. Obama did not make us pull out, Iraq didn't make us pull out, we pulled out based on a plan and a timeline that P4 and Bush came up with.
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I can't comment on everything from this thread but most of u guys have no idea what ur talking about. Most of us have no idea how close other plots have come to being executed. We have no idea what "torture" information has brought us or if it saved lives. But we have not been attacked again have we. The Taliban does not control Afghanistan, nobody does really . We're not taling with them about Caspian oil, 240 u don't know what ur taling about. We are talking with some of them who we think will change sides. The Afghans have a history of this. Iraq is stabilized to a level we can deal with and allow us to pull out. Obama did not make us pull out, Iraq didn't make us pull out, we pulled out based on a plan and a timeline that P4 and Bush came up with.
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It was an embarrassment to the RNC that GWB didn't help out more during the election.
It was even more of an embarrassment that the soldiers who won the war in Iraq, can't talk about it with pride.
Where was the RNC during the convention.
They should have been highlight the good things accomplished in Iraq and against the war on terror.
Instead they let the democrats set the agenda.
America succeeded in Iraq beyond what everyone could have hoped for.
They met almost all of their targets and they are going to have elections in February.
To that I say to everyone that served in Iraq thank you. Even if your own country can't.
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We could argue round and round on this. Credible evidence shows that Clinton probably did not do enough to battle terrorist groups which may have led to 9/11 and other attempts. On the other hand, Bush and the administration made a terrible error in going into Iraq IMO, one with far reaching consequences. Hopefully history will see a more democratic Iraq.
One thing we must admit is that we see a very small amount of info/intell reports that each administration must consider. I know there was a lot behind the scenes that we didn't see. To Bush's credit, multiple terrorist plots were foiled since 9/11 and the administration did reorganize gov agencies to better deal with terrorism. That does not justify Iraq but is still positive.
IMO Bush and Chenney made a mistake in not being more open to the American people. Too many things were behind closed doors, which likely lead to more criticizm.
You say that very well.
People want to continue to focus on the decision to go to Iraq. That's done, over with, can't go back.
A stable and democratic Iraq can only be a plus for the US. But liberal Bush haters don't want to talk about that.
Bush's poll numbers have gone up within the last few weeks due in part to his numerous outgoing interviews. Where most of the questions give him the opportunity to defend himself and his decisions.
That's something he should have doing along.
Staying distant from the public during wartime was a big mistake for him.
Another good point you made was about the intelligence reports we don't know about.
Last summer I finished George Tenet's book 'At the Center of the Storm.' I highly recommend it.
There are SO MANY things going on in this world related to national security that our minds can't grasp.
I would bet a million bucks that Obama has changed some of his policy promises since his Nat. Security briefings began.
I can hear Barry now at his first intelligence meeting:
"HOLY S**T!!!"
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You say that very well.
People want to continue to focus on the decision to go to Iraq. That's done, over with, can't go back.
A stable and democratic Iraq can only be a plus for the US. But liberal Bush haters don't want to talk about that.
Bush's poll numbers have gone up within the last few weeks due in part to his numerous outgoing interviews. Where most of the questions give him the opportunity to defend himself and his decisions.
That's something he should have doing along.
Staying distant from the public during wartime was a big mistake for him.
Another good point you made was about the intelligence reports we don't know about.
Last summer I finished George Tenet's book 'At the Center of the Storm.' I highly recommend it.
There are SO MANY things going on in this world related to national security that our minds can't grasp.
I would bet a million bucks that Obama has changed some of his policy promises since his Nat. Security briefings began.
I can hear Barry now at his first intelligence meeting:
"HOLY S**T!!!"
everytime obama had a meeting with somebody who had knowledge on the situation at hand and pulled obamas head out of his as he was forced to change his policies, go back and look he has changed his iraq policy a number of times.
LOL QFT on the first intelligence meeting.
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everytime obama had a meeting with somebody who had knowledge on the situation at hand and pulled obamas head out of his as he was forced to change his policies, go back and look he has changed his iraq policy a number of times.
LOL QFT on the first intelligence meeting.
Yeah, I think keeping Gates kinda proved that.
Although, I don't like this politician running the CIA. Can't remember his name now. Davis?
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Did Clinton get the people who attacked us on his watch?
Did Bush get the people who attacked us on his watch?
Yes. KSM was mastermind behind 9/11.
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Osama = still at large and just released another tape.
The terrorists = Saudi Arabi citizens and not a damn thing happened there.
Doesn't look like we got anyone.
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Osama = still at large and just released another tape.
The terrorists = Saudi Arabi citizens and not a damn thing happened there.
Doesn't look like we got anyone.
KSM was the 9/11 mastermind
Mousaui was the 20th hijaker.
19 died in the attacks.
We still need to get the other three.
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9/11 was planned during Clinton years. THAT'S A FACT.
9/11 was executed during Bush years.
They didn't start planning it in January of 2001.
Question: If we are attacked again on a similar scale in September of 2009, who will you moonbats blame it on???
Bush or Obama??
Careful how you answer.
No matter how you put it we lost 2,819 Americans on Bush's watch, many believe it was due to his administrations negligence. The only thing Bush has archived in the process of fighting the "terrorists" is a MASSIVE debt, a much greater terrorist threat, and the lives of so many men and woman who signed up to defend us when we were threatened.
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No matter how you put it we lost 2,819 Americans on Bush's watch, many believe it was due to his administrations negligence. The only thing Bush has archived in the process of fighting the "terrorists" is a MASSIVE debt, a much greater terrorist threat, and the lives of so many men and woman who signed up to defend us when we were threatened.
oh that and we havent been attacked in 7+ years also we have foiled many terrorist plots, cells and attacks but hey we dont have to mention that.