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Title: String Theory easily explained
Post by: tweeter on January 19, 2009, 05:36:03 PM
Can anyone give me a simplified summary of string theory? Everything I read about it online is just too damn complicated. I figured there would be plenty of getbiggers who understand it.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: CARTEL on January 19, 2009, 05:37:31 PM
If you pull a string, your sweater will unravel.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: liberalismo on January 19, 2009, 05:39:01 PM
No one on this website could give a truly accurate simplified explanation of String Theory incorporating everything important about it in that same summary.


Most people who have no real concept of it will just say things like "the idea that all particles are created by various vibrational expressions of subatomic strings" or "the idea that everything is made up of strings which are expressed at various frequencies", etc. No doubt taken from Wikipedia.




The people who truly know what is known about string theory have an inability to translate it into language that most people can comprehend.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: timfogarty on January 19, 2009, 05:39:30 PM
Can anyone give me a simplified summary of string theory? Everything I read about it online is just too damn complicated. I figured there would be plenty of getbiggers who understand it.

string theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory) is sooo last millennium.    all the cool geeks are now into quantum gravity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity) and quantum time.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Ursus on January 19, 2009, 05:40:09 PM
maybe jonny falcon can explain.

one of the more clued in getbiggers
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: TrapsMcLats on January 19, 2009, 05:41:01 PM
one second, got something great for you to watch.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: 240 is Back on January 19, 2009, 05:42:53 PM
If you pull a string, your sweater will unravel.

Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: TrapsMcLats on January 19, 2009, 05:43:19 PM
the great michio kaku gives the best explanations for those of us here who aren't theoretical physicists. ::)


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Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: liberalismo on January 19, 2009, 05:45:31 PM
the great michio kaku gives the best explanations for those of us here who aren't theoretical physicists. ::)


part 1:
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part 2:
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part 3:  
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part 4:
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Yes. Probably the best simplified general explanation would last about 30 minutes. But even those really don't explain what it's "really about" or give one the comprehension of it.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: CARTEL on January 19, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
Kaku is coocoo for String Theory!
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: tweeter on January 19, 2009, 05:47:24 PM
No one on this website could give a truly accurate simplified explanation of String Theory incorporating everything important about it in that same summary.


Most people who have no real concept of it will just say things like "the idea that all particles are created by various vibrational expressions of subatomic strings" or "the idea that everything is made up of strings which are expressed at various frequencies", etc. No doubt taken from Wikipedia.




The people who truly know what is known about string theory have an inability to translate it into language that most people can comprehend.
Yeah, that seems to be the problem. I hate the idea that I'm just not smart enough to understand something. I really want to understand what its all about.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: tweeter on January 19, 2009, 05:48:04 PM
the great michio kaku gives the best explanations for those of us here who aren't theoretical physicists. ::)


part 1:
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part 2:
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part 3:  
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part 4:
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Thanks man. I'll check these out.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: liberalismo on January 19, 2009, 06:05:18 PM
Yeah, that seems to be the problem. I hate the idea that I'm just not smart enough to understand something. I really want to understand what its all about.



You need to accept that there are multitudes of things in the universe that you will never understand and have no possibility of ever understanding.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Ursus on January 19, 2009, 06:10:49 PM
i can put it in laymans terms liberalismo...i am sure many in getbig can
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: TacoBell on January 19, 2009, 06:13:27 PM
Yes, if u see a string, she most likely has her period, so in theory, you're getting a blowjay.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: arce1988 on January 19, 2009, 06:14:31 PM

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Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: tweeter on January 19, 2009, 06:18:56 PM


You need to accept that there are multitudes of things in the universe that you will never understand and have no possibility of ever understanding.
Then how do you explain Johnny Falcon's infinite knowledge of the universe?
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Eisenherz on January 19, 2009, 06:21:01 PM
the great michio kaku gives the best explanations for those of us here who aren't theoretical physicists. ::)


part 1:
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part 2:
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part 3:  
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part 4:
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I didnt learn shit.
And is this theory saying everything is just vibrations?
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: GigantorX on January 19, 2009, 06:31:15 PM
No one on this website could give a truly accurate simplified explanation of String Theory incorporating everything important about it in that same summary.


Most people who have no real concept of it will just say things like "the idea that all particles are created by various vibrational expressions of subatomic strings" or "the idea that everything is made up of strings which are expressed at various frequencies", etc. No doubt taken from Wikipedia.




The people who truly know what is known about string theory have an inability to translate it into language that most people can comprehend.

Great gimmick.

You are truly a Google warrior.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2009, 06:32:47 PM
Can anyone give me a simplified summary of string theory? Everything I read about it online is just too damn complicated. I figured there would be plenty of getbiggers who understand it.
You'll be dead long before you figure it out, give up now.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Tesla on January 19, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
The main reason why it's hard to understand string theory is because it's incomplete.  At this point it's a series of more or less ad hoc mathematical conjectures about the dynamics of 1-dimensional objects and the goal is to build a world-system from these postulates.  No one knows if it is even possible to do so but a lot of people have staked their careers on it.  There are many different variants of string theory as well.  

I started off doing theoretical physics in grad school but switched over to applied mathematics because of bullshit like string theory.  Theoretical physicists are just as prone to fads and fallacies as anyone else and string theory is good evidence of this.  There have been a lot of really smart people working on it for a while, to no avail.  

If you want to learn some physics you'd be much better served to learn about Newtonian physics, thermodynamics, relativity, stuff that has a solid experimental basis.  
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: ibfasport on January 19, 2009, 06:42:12 PM
I don't know S.T. but there are 7+3+1= 11 dimension
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Sam on January 19, 2009, 06:44:36 PM
Heres the man himself
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: blazer000 on January 19, 2009, 06:46:13 PM
well
here is the deal
atoms are made of protons neutrons and electrons, protons and neutrons being the subatomic particles located in the nucleus. This is where an atoms mass comes from, as, compared to protons and neutrons ( which are basically the same mass) electrons have an extremely small mass. electrons are also very very far away from the nucleus with respect to their size. Liken it to a golf ball in the middle of a football field.  So what is an atom mostly made of? Empty space. THEORETICALLY if you ,,for example,,leaned up against a wall for an infinite amount of time, you would pass right through it. Now we all know that wouldn't happen, but, in theory, it is not impossible. String theory has to do with what the actual subatomic particles are made of. This is where my knowledge stops.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: liberalismo on January 20, 2009, 10:16:03 AM
Great gimmick.

You are truly a Google warrior.

Huh?
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: lovemonkey on January 20, 2009, 10:18:26 AM
Huh?

Watch it so he doesn't add you to the "Schmoe-list".   ::) ::)
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: BayGBM on January 20, 2009, 10:20:12 AM
Can anyone give me a simplified summary of string theory? Everything I read about it online is just too damn complicated. I figured there would be plenty of getbiggers who understand it.

String theory is so last century.  K-theory is where it's at!

Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: ~flower~ on January 20, 2009, 10:26:00 AM
sevatase could tell you using godmind in hyperspace.   :)
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Oaf on January 20, 2009, 02:18:50 PM
String theory is so last century.  K-theory is where it's at!



I'm just surprised you didn't say that string theory was somehow related to G4P .... you seem to think everything else is!!

 ;D
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: BayGBM on January 20, 2009, 04:12:36 PM
I'm just surprised you didn't say that string theory was somehow related to G4P .... you seem to think everything else is!!

 ;D

You've obviously got cock on the brain.  Good luck with that.  ;)
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: physicsgeek on January 20, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
I'm a physics graduate student and I could not give a good explanation of string theory. Never even taken a course in it.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Samourai Pizzacat on January 20, 2009, 04:36:39 PM
I'm a physics graduate student and I could not give a good explanation of string theory. Never even taken a course in it.

wonderful contribution!  please more! ;D
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: cauthon on January 20, 2009, 04:37:50 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/string_theory.png)
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Eisenherz on January 20, 2009, 04:38:03 PM
I'm a physics graduate student and I could not give a good explanation of string theory. Never even taken a course in it.

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: physicsgeek on January 20, 2009, 04:42:28 PM
Thanks for the update.

Well im sure I know more than you. Large amount of dimensions. Everything is made up of tiny oscillating strings. Fits well with duality. It is unproven but sheds light on super symmetry.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: MAXX on January 20, 2009, 04:45:09 PM
it is what it is. a theory.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: stuntmovie on January 20, 2009, 04:58:05 PM
Blaze, what you recently stated is interesting.

A few years back, I picked up a book on String Theory thinking that it would have something to do with the ODDS that casinos figure that they need in order to give all casino games a slight advantage over the players. (Dumb! huh??)

Needless to say, I was completely wrong and asked a professor who is a bit smarter than myself to explain "basic" string theory to me while having a cup of Starbuck's Coffee on the local campus.

He laughed and merely suggested that I start by reading a book on another subject. The book was/is called "Dancing Wu Li Masters" and is probably the simplest explanation of Quantum Mechanics available today. I assumed that such reading would eventually lead me to unraveling the mysteries of String Theory or at least a basic understanding of what the hell it is.

I actually did read Dancing Wu Li Masters about 8 times in my humble attempt to understand QM and then enable me to leap into the depths of ST, but I never was prepared to proceed further into that subject matter.

I asked a genius physicist friend of mine how come I could not comprehend QM after eight successful attempts of reading the book cover to cover.

He simply said that I shouldn't feel too stupid concerning the subject of Quantum Mechanics because  even the experts in the field of QM have difficulty in understanding because it is so contradictory to the Newtonian way of see the world in which the things we see are not actually what they appear to be.

And he concluded by stating exactly what you stated .... "You can pass through a solid wall!"

But apparently you'd have to tune the molecules in your own body and adjust them to pass through the molecules in the wall.

But I really think he was merely trying to tell me that when you look deeply enough, we are only masses of energy without physical components.

I've been giving that some deep thought lately and kind of feel a bit like how I think Johnny Falcon  feels on some occasions.

Maybe Johnny knows more about this than I suspect.

There is one exceptional problem in the realm of QM that is thought provoking... I won't go into complete details but if you store a cat in a box and there are only two distinct possibilities about that cat once you open that box (dead cat or living cat), the reality of that dead cat or living cat only materializes when you open that box and look at that damn cat. That's a simple explanation of a very interesting subject.

Sort of like asking yourself, does something really exist if you are not looking at it?

Or is there any noise when a tree falls in a forest if you are not there to hear it?

Simple questions that get very involved and complicated when studied by those who understand QM.

Maybe Mr Falcon can help us out a bit here. I sure ain;t too very smart enough to go beyond what I've already stated.


Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Viking11 on January 20, 2009, 05:30:05 PM
I'd take a couple of physics courses to get a grounding in physics, then maybe go to a seminar or two on it. Basically, all matter is composed of 'vibrating strings', or something similiar. Essentially matter is energy. It just doesn't feel that way when you have 5 or 600 lbs on your back at the squat rack.....
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Marty Champions on January 20, 2009, 05:49:25 PM
string theory

if you move just one 'thing' to x degree then the ('mechanics' 'composition' )of {matter or 'being'} that are possibly known  and unknown, become manipulated in near or far proximity, then global, then universal
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Tapeworm on January 20, 2009, 05:54:09 PM




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Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Marty Champions on January 20, 2009, 06:00:23 PM
omitting magnetism and electricity for now

we can use sound to manipulate particle formation. like a high pitch breaking glass

perhaps holy sacred songs providing the right rhythms /tones to modify something seen or unseen?
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: cauthon on January 21, 2009, 11:55:44 AM
Blaze, what you recently stated is interesting.

A few years back, I picked up a book on String Theory thinking that it would have something to do with the ODDS that casinos figure that they need in order to give all casino games a slight advantage over the players. (Dumb! huh??)

Needless to say, I was completely wrong and asked a professor who is a bit smarter than myself to explain "basic" string theory to me while having a cup of Starbuck's Coffee on the local campus.

He laughed and merely suggested that I start by reading a book on another subject. The book was/is called "Dancing Wu Li Masters" and is probably the simplest explanation of Quantum Mechanics available today. I assumed that such reading would eventually lead me to unraveling the mysteries of String Theory or at least a basic understanding of what the hell it is.

I actually did read Dancing Wu Li Masters about 8 times in my humble attempt to understand QM and then enable me to leap into the depths of ST, but I never was prepared to proceed further into that subject matter.

I asked a genius physicist friend of mine how come I could not comprehend QM after eight successful attempts of reading the book cover to cover.

He simply said that I shouldn't feel too stupid concerning the subject of Quantum Mechanics because  even the experts in the field of QM have difficulty in understanding because it is so contradictory to the Newtonian way of see the world in which the things we see are not actually what they appear to be.

And he concluded by stating exactly what you stated .... "You can pass through a solid wall!"

But apparently you'd have to tune the molecules in your own body and adjust them to pass through the molecules in the wall.

But I really think he was merely trying to tell me that when you look deeply enough, we are only masses of energy without physical components.

I've been giving that some deep thought lately and kind of feel a bit like how I think Johnny Falcon  feels on some occasions.

Maybe Johnny knows more about this than I suspect.

There is one exceptional problem in the realm of QM that is thought provoking... I won't go into complete details but if you store a cat in a box and there are only two distinct possibilities about that cat once you open that box (dead cat or living cat), the reality of that dead cat or living cat only materializes when you open that box and look at that damn cat. That's a simple explanation of a very interesting subject.

Sort of like asking yourself, does something really exist if you are not looking at it?

Or is there any noise when a tree falls in a forest if you are not there to hear it?

Simple questions that get very involved and complicated when studied by those who understand QM.

Maybe Mr Falcon can help us out a bit here. I sure ain;t too very smart enough to go beyond what I've already stated.




QM is fucked up.

Let me  break it down  in  meathead terms. There are many possible outcomes to every situation. Say you are deadlifting, the bar is loaded on the ground, you have three distinct possibilities, you can attempt the lift and fail, attempt the  lift and succeed or walk away and not attempt the lift at all. How this scenario turns out is unknown until you do one of the above. Simple concept.

Now, you are alone and you close your eyes and roll a pair of dice. Now, the way you and I see the world is that the outcome of this situation is unknown until the dice stop rolling and then the outcome is set in stone. Whatever landed face up is the only possible outcome. According to QM, the situation is still completely unknown. Until you open your eyes, the dice exist only as a probability. Once you  open your eyes this probability function 'collapses' into one of the many possible outcomes.

The basic idea is that everything is just energy of one sort or another. The world as we see it (discrete objects, events etc) exists only because we are there to see it that way. As soon as we stop looking, it goes back to being a big mess of probabilities.

If anyone finds this  stuff interesting Google schrodinger's cat. A great book (although not just about QM) is A Brief History of Time.


Einstein on QM 'I like to think the moon is there even when I am not looking at it.'
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: slacker on January 21, 2009, 12:09:25 PM
well
here is the deal
atoms are made of protons neutrons and electrons, protons and neutrons being the subatomic particles located in the nucleus. This is where an atoms mass comes from, as, compared to protons and neutrons ( which are basically the same mass) electrons have an extremely small mass. electrons are also very very far away from the nucleus with respect to their size. Liken it to a golf ball in the middle of a football field.  So what is an atom mostly made of? Empty space. THEORETICALLY if you ,,for example,,leaned up against a wall for an infinite amount of time, you would pass right through it. Now we all know that wouldn't happen, but, in theory, it is not impossible. String theory has to do with what the actual subatomic particles are made of. This is where my knowledge stops.
dont google big sentences you dont understand
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: CalvinH on January 21, 2009, 12:12:27 PM
So where's the pics of chicks in g-strings ???
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Marty Champions on January 21, 2009, 12:14:49 PM
string theory

if you move just one 'thing' to x degree then the ('mechanics' 'composition' )of {matter or 'being'} that are possibly known  and unknown, become manipulated in near or far proximity, then global, then universal

QFT
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: slacker on January 21, 2009, 12:16:02 PM
Blaze, what you recently stated is interesting.

A few years back, I picked up a book on String Theory thinking that it would have something to do with the ODDS that casinos figure that they need in order to give all casino games a slight advantage over the players. (Dumb! huh??)

Needless to say, I was completely wrong and asked a professor who is a bit smarter than myself to explain "basic" string theory to me while having a cup of Starbuck's Coffee on the local campus.

He laughed and merely suggested that I start by reading a book on another subject. The book was/is called "Dancing Wu Li Masters" and is probably the simplest explanation of Quantum Mechanics available today. I assumed that such reading would eventually lead me to unraveling the mysteries of String Theory or at least a basic understanding of what the hell it is.

I actually did read Dancing Wu Li Masters about 8 times in my humble attempt to understand QM and then enable me to leap into the depths of ST, but I never was prepared to proceed further into that subject matter.

I asked a genius physicist friend of mine how come I could not comprehend QM after eight successful attempts of reading the book cover to cover.

He simply said that I shouldn't feel too stupid concerning the subject of Quantum Mechanics because  even the experts in the field of QM have difficulty in understanding because it is so contradictory to the Newtonian way of see the world in which the things we see are not actually what they appear to be.

And he concluded by stating exactly what you stated .... "You can pass through a solid wall!"

But apparently you'd have to tune the molecules in your own body and adjust them to pass through the molecules in the wall.

But I really think he was merely trying to tell me that when you look deeply enough, we are only masses of energy without physical components.

I've been giving that some deep thought lately and kind of feel a bit like how I think Johnny Falcon  feels on some occasions.

Maybe Johnny knows more about this than I suspect.

There is one exceptional problem in the realm of QM that is thought provoking... I won't go into complete details but if you store a cat in a box and there are only two distinct possibilities about that cat once you open that box (dead cat or living cat), the reality of that dead cat or living cat only materializes when you open that box and look at that damn cat. That's a simple explanation of a very interesting subject.

Sort of like asking yourself, does something really exist if you are not looking at it?

Or is there any noise when a tree falls in a forest if you are not there to hear it?

Simple questions that get very involved and complicated when studied by those who understand QM.

Maybe Mr Falcon can help us out a bit here. I sure ain;t too very smart enough to go beyond what I've already stated.



stay off google
Title: String Theory easily explained
Post by: Stark on January 21, 2009, 12:16:26 PM
http://www.neonbubble.com/article/string-theory-explained-simply
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: Marty Champions on January 21, 2009, 12:17:11 PM
string theory

if you move just one 'thing' to x degree then the ('mechanics' 'composition' )of {matter or 'being'} that are possibly known  and unknown, become manipulated in near or far proximity, then global, then universal
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: Stark on January 21, 2009, 12:18:14 PM
string theory

if you move just one 'thing' to x degree then the ('mechanics' 'composition' )of {matter or 'being'} that are possibly known  and unknown, become manipulated in near or far proximity, then global, then universal

that doesn't explain it
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: James Phoenix on January 21, 2009, 01:05:30 PM
Cauthon gave a good explanation on reality; I'll add the following:
(My ideas on it are influenced by Immanuel Kant, Perennial Philosophy, Bertrand Russell, and Cognitive Theory Model)
This isn't string theory, as string theory is one set of 'string theories' that will supposedly be united under the umbrella of an "M Theory".
As of now, it's not complete - though a form of it may one day be inherent in evolved beings.

Reality is a closed circuit.

There are two aspects of it - God(all that is reality), and mind.
This is the link between quantum physics and metaphysics - the relationship between mind and matter. The point is to figure out how reality is programmed to recognise mind - and vice-versa.

At the atomic level, matter consist of atoms; at the subatomic level, matter consist of smaller particles like protons, neutrons. At the quantum level, things work differently:
matter exist as a wave of unlimited potentials.
Think of this wave as consisting of an unlimited amount of dice - the facings of which are determined by observers(mind).

If one aspect of reality did not exist, reality as a whole could not exist.

In this way, we work as 'sensors for reality' or "God's Eyes" if you like. We describe reality through our knowledge of it; however, we can never know 100% of reality - if we did that would destroy the circuit and end existence. God represents 100% knowledge of all existance, and as such 'he' represents the unlimited potential that exist in the universe at the quantum level. It is the purpose of minds to create reality by describing it to itself.

The underlying goal of mind is to attain a greater knowledge of God(reality); this is what drives the universe. It is, however, a futile endeavor - as explained, it is impossible to have complete knowledge of God without destroying the circuit. Minds will possess 99.999999% knowledge of all reality, allowing them to create pocket universes or alter matter at whim, but they will never possess 100% knowledge. At that juncture, such beings would be capable of shrinking matter back to the point of singularity (when all matter was compressed into a single point) before the universe is destroyed.
This cycle (expansion, then reversion back to singularity) is infinite and necessary. Complete unity of the universal mind with God would destroy any sense of self, or ego, and all that would exist is a 'potential' that only exist as just that - a potential. Time would not exist, because time is a relationship of matter in space-time. Effectively, existence would not exist - something that can't actually happen.

The universe can't allow it, because the universe is a system of unlimited potential with checks and balances. Anything that attempted to exist, that creates a paradox within the system, would immediately be extinguished.

Our ideas and political beliefs don't really matter, because we are all driven by the same underlying goal of unity with God. What is a capitalist? A capitalist is an egoist. A capitalist is a capitalist because it suits his station in life (he's rich, so that particular outlook is his). What is a communist? A communist is an egoist. A communist is poor so that particular outlook suits his situation. This is a gross simplification - but always there is the underlying motive of a drive toward unity with God. Fascist or Libertarian - we are all just egoist. All are two sides of the same coin - attempting to achieve that unification (unknowingly), within the framework of their own background. Unity may come peacefully, or through war - either way it will come.

Conflict brings about dominance of one type. The step between many egos working in conflict, is a transitory step in the evolution of mind, which is the reduction of ego through a purging process. The reduction of ego brings one closer to the divine ground(reality). This reduction of ego may come about many ways. For example, our extreme global capitalism may make the price of material goods so cheap that nearly everyone possesses the same items. In that sense we have achieved a form of socialism through capitalism - ironically. From the top to the bottom, we have access to the same technology and knowledge; consequently, we have attained a greater form of communalism. The internet, though driven by advertisement, will also speed up the emergence of the mass mind. With the advent of nano-technology, it is only a matter of time before we are working together as a mass mind - aided by the successor of the internet implanted in our brains. All of humanity will have access to the sum of human knowledge, thus a greater portion of God(reality) is attained by all.

Capitalism or Socialism - it all leads to perfect Communism in the end.

At the same time, innovations in genetic engineering will bring us closer together. We will all be one and the same. Ultimately there will be one brain - with duplicates serving as needed, connected by a massive network. The speed of progress will be unprecedented as humanity follows Moore's law. In fact there will be a much vaguer concept of 'humanity' as the augmentations and genetic engineering will make us something much different from now. From that point we all life outside the Earth 'mass mind' will cease to exist, and we will search space for more minds to incorporate in our never ending quest for godliness. We may absorb other beings into our network, or we may be absorbed. The point is the attainment of a greater portion of reality as a mass mind in our futile quest for union with the divine ground - which inevitably leads to another reversion to singularity (big crunch).
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: burn2live on January 21, 2009, 01:06:26 PM
maybe jonny falcon can explain.

one of the more clued in getbiggers

Give him a bucket of paint and he could explain anything.
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: burn2live on January 21, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
that doesn't explain it

lol!
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: cauthon on January 21, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Cauthon gave a good explanation on reality; I'll add the following:
(My ideas on it are influenced by Immanuel Kant, Perennial Philosophy, Bertrand Russell, and Cognitive Theory Model)
This isn't string theory, as string theory is one set of 'string theories' that will supposedly be united under the umbrella of an "M Theory".
As of now, it's not complete - though a form of it may one day be inherent in evolved beings.

Reality is a closed circuit.

There are two aspects of it - God(all that is reality), and mind.
This is the link between quantum physics and metaphysics - the relationship between mind and matter. The point is to figure out how reality is programmed to recognise mind - and vice-versa.

At the atomic level, matter consist of atoms; at the subatomic level, matter consist of smaller particles like protons, neutrons. At the quantum level, things work differently:
matter exist as a wave of unlimited potentials.
Think of this wave as consisting of an unlimited amount of dice - the facings of which are determined by observers(mind).

If one aspect of reality did not exist, reality as a whole could not exist.

In this way, we work as 'sensors for reality' or "God's Eyes" if you like. We describe reality through our knowledge of it; however, we can never know 100% of reality - if we did that would destroy the circuit and end existence. God represents 100% knowledge of all existance, and as such 'he' represents the unlimited potential that exist in the universe at the quantum level. It is the purpose of minds to create reality by describing it to itself.

The underlying goal of mind is to attain a greater knowledge of God(reality); this is what drives the universe. It is, however, a futile endeavor - as explained, it is impossible to have complete knowledge of God without destroying the circuit. Minds will possess 99.999999% knowledge of all reality, allowing them to create pocket universes or alter matter at whim, but they will never possess 100% knowledge. At that juncture, such beings would be capable of shrinking matter back to the point of singularity (when all matter was compressed into a single point) before the universe is destroyed.
This cycle (expansion, then reversion back to singularity) is infinite and necessary. Complete unity of the universal mind with God would destroy any sense of self, or ego, and all that would exist is a 'potential' that only exist as just that - a potential. Time would not exist, because time is a relationship of matter in space-time. Effectively, existence would not exist - something that can't actually happen.

The universe can't allow it, because the universe is a system of unlimited potential with checks and balances. Anything that attempted to exist, that creates a paradox within the system, would immediately be extinguished.

Our ideas and political beliefs don't really matter, because we are all driven by the same underlying goal of unity with God. What is a capitalist? A capitalist is an egoist. A capitalist is a capitalist because it suits his station in life (he's rich, so that particular outlook is his). What is a communist? A communist is an egoist. A communist is poor so that particular outlook suits his situation. This is a gross simplification - but always there is the underlying motive of a drive toward unity with God. Fascist or Libertarian - we are all just egoist. All are two sides of the same coin - attempting to achieve that unification (unknowingly), within the framework of their own background. Unity may come peacefully, or through war - either way it will come.

Conflict brings about dominance of one type. The step between many egos working in conflict, is a transitory step in the evolution of mind, which is the reduction of ego through a purging process. The reduction of ego brings one closer to the divine ground(reality). This reduction of ego may come about many ways. For example, our extreme global capitalism may make the price of material goods so cheap that nearly everyone possesses the same items. In that sense we have achieved a form of socialism through capitalism - ironically. From the top to the bottom, we have access to the same technology and knowledge; consequently, we have attained a greater form of communalism. The internet, though driven by advertisement, will also speed up the emergence of the mass mind. With the advent of nano-technology, it is only a matter of time before we are working together as a mass mind - aided by the successor of the internet implanted in our brains. All of humanity will have access to the sum of human knowledge, thus a greater portion of God(reality) is attained by all.

Capitalism or Socialism - it all leads to perfect Communism in the end.

At the same time, innovations in genetic engineering will bring us closer together. We will all be one and the same. Ultimately there will be one brain - with duplicates serving as needed, connected by a massive network. The speed of progress will be unprecedented as humanity follows Moore's law. In fact there will be a much vaguer concept of 'humanity' as the augmentations and genetic engineering will make us something much different from now. From that point we all life outside the Earth 'mass mind' will cease to exist, and we will search space for more minds to incorporate in our never ending quest for godliness. We may absorb other beings into our network, or we may be absorbed. The point is the attainment of a greater portion of reality as a mass mind in our futile quest for union with the divine ground - which inevitably leads to another reversion to singularity (big crunch).

You and JF crack me up with your chemical induced delusions. You are both idiots of epic proportion.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: James Phoenix on January 21, 2009, 07:23:33 PM
You and JF crack me up with your chemical induced delusions. You are both idiots of epic proportion.

I, rank among the smartest people in the world.

That's a fact Jack.

Don't include me with other people.

You don't get to be part of the gifted magnet program, or score in the 97th percentile nationally on the Iowa test, by being an idiot.
And that makes me feel very superior to numbnuts such as yourself.

And just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean I'm delusional. I know you haven't read Kant; Russell; Huxley; Neitschze...
studied Perrenial Philosophy, Cognitive Theory Model, etc. I own books by these authors and have actually read them. I speak from memory, not google.

Stick to bench pressing mental midget.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Eisenherz on January 21, 2009, 08:17:43 PM
I, rank among the smartest people in the world.

That's a fact Jack.

Don't include me with other people.

You don't get to be part of the gifted magnet program, or score in the 97th percentile nationally on the Iowa test, by being an idiot.
And that makes me feel very superior to numbnuts such as yourself.

And just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean I'm delusional. I know you haven't read Kant; Russell; Huxley; Neitschze...
studied Perrenial Philosophy, Cognitive Theory Model, etc. I own books by these authors and have actually read them. I speak from memory, not google.

Stick to bench pressing mental midget.

You might understand them but obviously havnt internalised the message as shown by your egotistical verbal outbursts  in the above text.
Interesting what you wrote though, however I have serious doubt that everyone will ever get nano-technology implanted in them, except by force.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: GigantorX on January 21, 2009, 08:24:27 PM
I, rank among the smartest people in the world.

That's a fact Jack.

Don't include me with other people.

You don't get to be part of the gifted magnet program, or score in the 97th percentile nationally on the Iowa test, by being an idiot.
And that makes me feel very superior to numbnuts such as yourself.

And just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean I'm delusional. I know you haven't read Kant; Russell; Huxley; Neitschze...
studied Perrenial Philosophy, Cognitive Theory Model, etc. I own books by these authors and have actually read them. I speak from memory, not google.

Stick to bench pressing mental midget.


A TRULY EPIC INTERNET MESSAGE FORUM MELTDOWN.
(http://lekowicz.com/wren_forum/wp-content/imageposts/2007/11/mushroom-cloud.jpg)


Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: cauthon on January 21, 2009, 08:27:27 PM
I, rank among the smartest people in the world.

That's a fact Jack.

Don't include me with other people.

You don't get to be part of the gifted magnet program, or score in the 97th percentile nationally on the Iowa test, by being an idiot.
And that makes me feel very superior to numbnuts such as yourself.

And just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean I'm delusional. I know you haven't read Kant; Russell; Huxley; Neitschze...
studied Perrenial Philosophy, Cognitive Theory Model, etc. I own books by these authors and have actually read them. I speak from memory, not google.

Stick to bench pressing mental midget.

Yawn,

You own books AND read them? What a novel idea...

You can claim anything you want. At the end of the day your still on the internet losing your temper over shit on a bb-ing message board. As for your philosophy and metaphysics dribble, you can sit around and argue over unprovable nonsense but your not going to accomplish anything.

Try to keep up son.
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: flagadajones on January 21, 2009, 08:31:42 PM
james penix is just a disturbed teen who daily attempts to kill himself and never goes outside his parents basement.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Soundness on January 21, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
Cauthon gave a good explanation on reality; I'll add the following:
(My ideas on it are influenced by Immanuel Kant, Perennial Philosophy, Bertrand Russell, and Cognitive Theory Model)
This isn't string theory, as string theory is one set of 'string theories' that will supposedly be united under the umbrella of an "M Theory".
As of now, it's not complete - though a form of it may one day be inherent in evolved beings.

Reality is a closed circuit.

There are two aspects of it - God(all that is reality), and mind.
This is the link between quantum physics and metaphysics - the relationship between mind and matter. The point is to figure out how reality is programmed to recognise mind - and vice-versa.

At the atomic level, matter consist of atoms; at the subatomic level, matter consist of smaller particles like protons, neutrons. At the quantum level, things work differently:
matter exist as a wave of unlimited potentials.
Think of this wave as consisting of an unlimited amount of dice - the facings of which are determined by observers(mind).

If one aspect of reality did not exist, reality as a whole could not exist.

In this way, we work as 'sensors for reality' or "God's Eyes" if you like. We describe reality through our knowledge of it; however, we can never know 100% of reality - if we did that would destroy the circuit and end existence. God represents 100% knowledge of all existance, and as such 'he' represents the unlimited potential that exist in the universe at the quantum level. It is the purpose of minds to create reality by describing it to itself.

The underlying goal of mind is to attain a greater knowledge of God(reality); this is what drives the universe. It is, however, a futile endeavor - as explained, it is impossible to have complete knowledge of God without destroying the circuit. Minds will possess 99.999999% knowledge of all reality, allowing them to create pocket universes or alter matter at whim, but they will never possess 100% knowledge. At that juncture, such beings would be capable of shrinking matter back to the point of singularity (when all matter was compressed into a single point) before the universe is destroyed.
This cycle (expansion, then reversion back to singularity) is infinite and necessary. Complete unity of the universal mind with God would destroy any sense of self, or ego, and all that would exist is a 'potential' that only exist as just that - a potential. Time would not exist, because time is a relationship of matter in space-time. Effectively, existence would not exist - something that can't actually happen.

The universe can't allow it, because the universe is a system of unlimited potential with checks and balances. Anything that attempted to exist, that creates a paradox within the system, would immediately be extinguished.

Our ideas and political beliefs don't really matter, because we are all driven by the same underlying goal of unity with God. What is a capitalist? A capitalist is an egoist. A capitalist is a capitalist because it suits his station in life (he's rich, so that particular outlook is his). What is a communist? A communist is an egoist. A communist is poor so that particular outlook suits his situation. This is a gross simplification - but always there is the underlying motive of a drive toward unity with God. Fascist or Libertarian - we are all just egoist. All are two sides of the same coin - attempting to achieve that unification (unknowingly), within the framework of their own background. Unity may come peacefully, or through war - either way it will come.

Conflict brings about dominance of one type. The step between many egos working in conflict, is a transitory step in the evolution of mind, which is the reduction of ego through a purging process. The reduction of ego brings one closer to the divine ground(reality). This reduction of ego may come about many ways. For example, our extreme global capitalism may make the price of material goods so cheap that nearly everyone possesses the same items. In that sense we have achieved a form of socialism through capitalism - ironically. From the top to the bottom, we have access to the same technology and knowledge; consequently, we have attained a greater form of communalism. The internet, though driven by advertisement, will also speed up the emergence of the mass mind. With the advent of nano-technology, it is only a matter of time before we are working together as a mass mind - aided by the successor of the internet implanted in our brains. All of humanity will have access to the sum of human knowledge, thus a greater portion of God(reality) is attained by all.

Capitalism or Socialism - it all leads to perfect Communism in the end.

At the same time, innovations in genetic engineering will bring us closer together. We will all be one and the same. Ultimately there will be one brain - with duplicates serving as needed, connected by a massive network. The speed of progress will be unprecedented as humanity follows Moore's law. In fact there will be a much vaguer concept of 'humanity' as the augmentations and genetic engineering will make us something much different from now. From that point we all life outside the Earth 'mass mind' will cease to exist, and we will search space for more minds to incorporate in our never ending quest for godliness. We may absorb other beings into our network, or we may be absorbed. The point is the attainment of a greater portion of reality as a mass mind in our futile quest for union with the divine ground - which inevitably leads to another reversion to singularity (big crunch).
Pure brilliance.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: James Phoenix on January 21, 2009, 08:39:33 PM
Yawn,

You own books AND read them? What a novel idea...

You can claim anything you want. At the end of the day your still on the internet losing your temper over shit on a bb-ing message board. As for your philosophy and metaphysics dribble, you can sit around and argue over unprovable nonsense but your not going to accomplish anything.

Try to keep up son.

I was trying to have a relaxed discussion until you come on here throwing around your childish insults.
Obviously, it's all theory right now. But it's fun and interesting to discuss as long as you act mature about it.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: James Phoenix on January 21, 2009, 08:50:25 PM
You might understand them but obviously havnt internalised the message as shown by your egotistical verbal outbursts  in the above text.
Interesting what you wrote though, however I have serious doubt that everyone will ever get nano-technology implanted in them, except by force.

Like I said, Cauthon prompted the "egotistical outburst" with his baseless attacks. I was merely defending myself.
Also my strong ego is a sign of my humility: I am not so egotistical to think I am above self-aggrandisement.
I humbly admit I am an animal like everyone else.

People will get nano-technology implanted in them because the economy will make it a necessity to function. That's how technologies that people are initially reluctant to incorporate become accepted. If you want a job that requires instant exchange of information, you will be at a severe disadvantage typing on your laptop, versus someone connected to a grid allowing constant exchange of ideas with thought alone.

Right now there are companies implanting chips in people, serving as an identification tool. They just scan their arm, and the implant gives them access to their place of employment. People are willing to do it because they want the job.

There is always some grumbling at first, but ultimately people give in to technology changes, so that they can keep on par with everyone else.
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: James Phoenix on January 21, 2009, 08:57:10 PM
james penix is just a disturbed teen who daily attempts to kill himself and never goes outside his parents basement.

I do suffer from severe anxiety.

I believe it's due to industrial society, and the resulting lack of control we have over our day to day lives.
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: Necrosis on January 22, 2009, 09:42:07 AM
I do suffer from severe anxiety.

I believe it's due to industrial society, and the resulting lack of control we have over our day to day lives.

the fact that you mentioned the cognitive theoretic model is enough or me to decipher that you are an idiot.

chris langan has done nothing and proved nothing, his ideas are recycled garbage with no axioms, unprovable and utterly retarded. In his video he has several mistakes such as water displacement for brain volume, among other things.

You need more xanax
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: James Phoenix on January 22, 2009, 08:42:21 PM
the fact that you mentioned the cognitive theoretic model is enough or me to decipher that you are an idiot.

chris langan has done nothing and proved nothing, his ideas are recycled garbage with no axioms, unprovable and utterly retarded. In his video he has several mistakes such as water displacement for brain volume, among other things.

You need more xanax

If you feel that you can correct the smartest man in the United States - and possibly the world,
then by all means, kick him an email. I'm sure he'll laugh at you and make you feel like a retard - if he even responds at all.

"Necrosis" from Getbig is writing off the smartest man in the country as utterly retarded; I've heard it all now.   ::)

You clown.
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: richrivers on January 22, 2009, 10:56:03 PM
http://media.libsyn.com/media/skepticsguide/skepticast2009-01-15.mp3

At 29 minutes of the podcast begins an interview with Michio Kaku.  He is both a theoritical physicist of string theory and populizer of science.  In other words, he can explain it with common language as well as anyone.  Good luck. 
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: D-bol on January 22, 2009, 11:58:42 PM

Sort of like asking yourself, does something really exist if you are not looking at it?

Or is there any noise when a tree falls in a forest if you are not there to hear it?


nothing original here, bro

Look for George Berkley (1685-1753): you will find alot of arguments in favour of the idea that matter exists only when we perceive it. I can see that how this idea can be so intriguing to our imagination, but like it or not - matter exists without us perceiving it.

Blessed be science!

 ;D
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: Fatpanda on January 23, 2009, 12:03:19 AM
Can anyone give me a simplified summary of string theory? Everything I read about it online is just too damn complicated. I figured there would be plenty of getbiggers who understand it.

as buddha would say...

nothing - because it doesn't matter, knowing or not knowing will not make you a better human bing to your fellow man.

know thyself and you will know all.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: Joel_A on January 23, 2009, 06:07:30 AM
the great michio kaku gives the best explanations for those of us here who aren't theoretical physicists. ::)


part 1:
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I have watched those videos multiple times before and still have no clue wtf he's talking about.

Still love the guy, though. He actually tries his best to "dumb" everything down for us normies.
Title: Re: String Theory
Post by: OzmO on January 23, 2009, 03:11:33 PM
Blaze, what you recently stated is interesting.

A few years back, I picked up a book on String Theory thinking that it would have something to do with the ODDS that casinos figure that they need in order to give all casino games a slight advantage over the players. (Dumb! huh??)

Needless to say, I was completely wrong and asked a professor who is a bit smarter than myself to explain "basic" string theory to me while having a cup of Starbuck's Coffee on the local campus.

He laughed and merely suggested that I start by reading a book on another subject. The book was/is called "Dancing Wu Li Masters" and is probably the simplest explanation of Quantum Mechanics available today. I assumed that such reading would eventually lead me to unraveling the mysteries of String Theory or at least a basic understanding of what the hell it is.

I actually did read Dancing Wu Li Masters about 8 times in my humble attempt to understand QM and then enable me to leap into the depths of ST, but I never was prepared to proceed further into that subject matter.

I asked a genius physicist friend of mine how come I could not comprehend QM after eight successful attempts of reading the book cover to cover.

He simply said that I shouldn't feel too stupid concerning the subject of Quantum Mechanics because  even the experts in the field of QM have difficulty in understanding because it is so contradictory to the Newtonian way of see the world in which the things we see are not actually what they appear to be.

And he concluded by stating exactly what you stated .... "You can pass through a solid wall!"

But apparently you'd have to tune the molecules in your own body and adjust them to pass through the molecules in the wall.

But I really think he was merely trying to tell me that when you look deeply enough, we are only masses of energy without physical components.

I've been giving that some deep thought lately and kind of feel a bit like how I think Johnny Falcon  feels on some occasions.

Maybe Johnny knows more about this than I suspect.

There is one exceptional problem in the realm of QM that is thought provoking... I won't go into complete details but if you store a cat in a box and there are only two distinct possibilities about that cat once you open that box (dead cat or living cat), the reality of that dead cat or living cat only materializes when you open that box and look at that damn cat. That's a simple explanation of a very interesting subject.

Sort of like asking yourself, does something really exist if you are not looking at it?

Or is there any noise when a tree falls in a forest if you are not there to hear it?

Simple questions that get very involved and complicated when studied by those who understand QM.

Maybe Mr Falcon can help us out a bit here. I sure ain;t too very smart enough to go beyond what I've already stated.




This sounds like something from the movie, "what the bleep do we know"
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: Necrosis on January 26, 2009, 05:12:10 PM
If you feel that you can correct the smartest man in the United States - and possibly the world,
then by all means, kick him an email. I'm sure he'll laugh at you and make you feel like a retard - if he even responds at all.

"Necrosis" from Getbig is writing off the smartest man in the country as utterly retarded; I've heard it all now.   ::)

You clown.

ya smartest man in the world who has not phd and has not produced one workable theory or significant piece of academia ever. I feel bad for you if you think this guy is the smartest man in the world, he has produced utter shit in his lifetime and continues to fail wrt producing any good literature that is peer reviewed.

Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: kiwiol on January 26, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
as buddha would say...

nothing - because it doesn't matter, knowing or not knowing will not make you a better human bing to your fellow man.

know thyself and you will know all.

Yeah, the Buddha knew it all, including and especially self control about which he spoke volumes, all while weighing around 600 lb ;D

ya smartest man in the world who has not phd and has not produced one workable theory or significant piece of academia ever. I feel bad for you if you think this guy is the smartest man in the world, he has produced utter shit in his lifetime and continues to fail wrt producing any good literature that is peer reviewed.

Agreed. Anyone who drops names of the authors they've read or talk about their IQ and where they rank in the IQ scale to try and establish their being a mental giant is just trying hard albeit unsuccessfully. If Langan is the smartest man in the states, then God help the US before he saves the Queen.
Title: Re: String Theory easily explained
Post by: James Phoenix on January 26, 2009, 09:02:42 PM
ya smartest man in the world who has not phd and has not produced one workable theory or significant piece of academia ever. I feel bad for you if you think this guy is the smartest man in the world, he has produced utter shit in his lifetime and continues to fail wrt producing any good literature that is peer reviewed.



Yes, Langan IS the smartest man in the United States - and maybe the world.

He's taken all the test to prove that.

That's more meaningful than any academic credentials.
He doesn't need academic credentials; he's an autodidact.

People that excel in academics require a degree of intelligence to comprehend the information they acquire - this is true;
however, it is only geniuses like Langan that actually make great innovations in complex subjects like physics and philosophy.
Psychologist say that at an IQ of 120 is sufficient to earn a degree in most scientific fields - save physics.
Well you have to understand that, Langan's IQ of 200 puts him on another plane of comprehension!

The fact that you claim he produces "utter shit" indicates that you haven't read his paper; and if you did, you probably didn't comprehend it.

A smart man understood a complex idea.
A genius created the idea.