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People can be so cruel. After all the good things he did for America...
The crowd packed on the west side of the Capitol grounds serenaded President Bush in mocking fashion when he took to the inaugural stage alongside Vice President Dick Cheney.
"Nah nah nah nah, hey hey, good-bye," a section of the crowd chanted.
The crowd packed immediately below the podium received Bush in stony silence when he took his seat on the stage surrounding the podium where Barack Obama was scheduled to take the oath office to become the 44th president of the United States.
The jeers are among the final public feedback Bush will receive as president.
First Lady Laura Bush and Lynne Cheney received light applause when they were announced to the crowd.
Bush is scheduled to depart from the East Front of the Capitol by helicopter after the swearing-in ceremony.
Obama received the loudest sustained cheers from thousands who chanted his name.
Before Obama took the stage the crowd gave its warmest welcome to former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.)
Vice-president elect Joe Biden and Michelle Obama also received warm welcomes.
House Democratic lawmakers formed a raucous audience from the section of seats rising immediately south of the speaker's podium.
They launched into a "Rahmbo" chant when they spotted White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.
Later, when President Bush left the Capitol grounds in a helicopter, he received some cheers from a crowd of onlookers.
But at least one man was seen giving the chopper what Bush used to call the "one-finger salute."
Another man, with a thick New England accent, yelled, "Go back to Crawford!"
And a woman shouted, "Good riddance! He's leaving!"
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they jeered the poor bastard when he first appeared, again when his chopper took off, then once more when he was transferring from the chopper to his plane (dedicated haters! ;D)
the hecklers kept coming through the broadcast haha.
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Anyone here the crowd singing naa naa naa naaaa naaa naa naaa naaa naaaaa gooooood byeeee ;D
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That truly shows you the attitude of most liberals. That shit is childish and makes me pretty damn angry.
People can be so cruel. After all the good things he did for America...
The crowd packed on the west side of the Capitol grounds serenaded President Bush in mocking fashion when he took to the inaugural stage alongside Vice President Dick Cheney.
"Nah nah nah nah, hey hey, good-bye," a section of the crowd chanted.
The crowd packed immediately below the podium received Bush in stony silence when he took his seat on the stage surrounding the podium where Barack Obama was scheduled to take the oath office to become the 44th president of the United States.
The jeers are among the final public feedback Bush will receive as president.
First Lady Laura Bush and Lynne Cheney received light applause when they were announced to the crowd.
Bush is scheduled to depart from the East Front of the Capitol by helicopter after the swearing-in ceremony.
Obama received the loudest sustained cheers from thousands who chanted his name.
Before Obama took the stage the crowd gave its warmest welcome to former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.)
Vice-president elect Joe Biden and Michelle Obama also received warm welcomes.
House Democratic lawmakers formed a raucous audience from the section of seats rising immediately south of the speaker's podium.
They launched into a "Rahmbo" chant when they spotted White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.
Later, when President Bush left the Capitol grounds in a helicopter, he received some cheers from a crowd of onlookers.
But at least one man was seen giving the chopper what Bush used to call the "one-finger salute."
Another man, with a thick New England accent, yelled, "Go back to Crawford!"
And a woman shouted, "Good riddance! He's leaving!"
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That truly shows you the attitude of most liberals. That shit is childish and makes me pretty damn angry.
::) This is the very least Bush has earned. Has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. The jerk and his henchmen should be in prison. You sir make me damn angry.
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::) This is the very least Bush has earned. Has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. The jerk and his henchmen should be in prison. You sir make me damn angry.
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he's pretty dumb, chances are he's not going to understand it
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::) This is the very least Bush has earned. Has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. The jerk and his henchmen should be in prison. You sir make me damn angry.
Prison? Are you an idiot?
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Prison? Are you an idiot?
no but you are. Bush lied to congress to take us into a war that killed thousands. Yes he should be in prison you idiot.
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no but you are. Bush lied to congress to take us into a war that killed thousands. Yes he should be in prison you idiot.
Bush worked with information he had at the time. If you call that lying then you are an idiot. It's obvious you hate anyone who doesn't agree with what you say. Your views on politics are extremely skewed and you show a deep distaste for anything other than what you believe.
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Bush worked with information he had at the time. If you call that lying then you are an idiot. It's obvious you hate anyone who doesn't agree with what you say. Your views on politics are extremely skewed and you show a deep distaste for anything other than what you believe.
Stop listening to propaganda and get some basic facts into your system. Downing street memos... Bush admin sidestepping the CIA and creating bogus Intel out of the pentagon. Bush lied people died, federal crimes... sorry that fucks with your Fox created delusion.
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/
PBS Frontline: The Dark Side:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/flv/generic.html?s=frol02p77&continuous=1
and the icing on the cake, torture! What I find most ironic, the excuse used by the Bush Admin to excuse torture? Yup, pretty much the same sidestep around the Geneva Conventions that North Vietnamese used to justify torture on Americans...
Prison, Prison Prison... Justice will not be served until Bush and company do time... or worse ;) The trial that won't happen should happen.
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Bush worked with information he had at the time. If you call that lying then you are an idiot. It's obvious you hate anyone who doesn't agree with what you say. Your views on politics are extremely skewed and you show a deep distaste for anything other than what you believe.
Wow. Does reality even get within sniffing distance of that distorted vaccum you live in and call home?
Bush deliberately distorted, omitted, and LIED about information he had for no other reason than he own personal vendetta. He refused to even take counsel from his own father who had much more experience and insight to Iraq.
Bush is a complete lying idiot. And so is anyone that is still buying into the bullshit agenda on their side.
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What Obama should have done was show up on the 19th and throw Bush's suitcase out on the front lawn, frog marched him out there and then publicly broke his foot off in his ass.
Buhhh Byeeeeee little Bush.
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What Obama should have done was show up on the 19th and throw Bush's suitcase out on the front lawn, frog marched him out there and then publicly broke his foot off in his ass.
Buhhh Byeeeeee little Bush.
Slight problem with that: Obama wasn't President then; Bush was.
You (and a number of other liberals) act as if Obama beat Bush in the election: NEWS FLASH! It was the end of his second term. Bush was going to leave office, REGARDLESS of who won the 2008 election.
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Stop listening to propaganda and get some basic facts into your system. Downing street memos... Bush admin sidestepping the CIA and creating bogus Intel out of the pentagon. Bush lied people died, federal crimes... sorry that fucks with your Fox created delusion.
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/
PBS Frontline: The Dark Side:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/flv/generic.html?s=frol02p77&continuous=1
and the icing on the cake, torture! What I find most ironic, the excuse used by the Bush Admin to excuse torture? Yup, pretty much the same sidestep around the Geneva Conventions that North Vietnamese used to justify torture on Americans...
Prison, Prison Prison... Justice will not be served until Bush and company do time... or worse ;) The trial that won't happen should happen.
we have been over this time and time again there was intel out there that pointed to Iraq having wmd...Water boarding is debateable as torture as well...under the geneva convention sleep deprivation could be torture, shit keeping ppl in jail cells could be deemed torture under the geneva convention.
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I expect nothing else from those hardcore obamabots that represents what is wrong in america its either your with us or against us mentality that keeps us from coming together...change you can believe in folks.
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Typical liberal scum bags.No class in defeat"they cheated" NO CLASS IN VICTORY.
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Slight problem with that: Obama wasn't President then; Bush was.
You (and a number of other liberals) act as if Obama beat Bush in the election: NEWS FLASH! It was the end of his second term. Bush was going to leave office, REGARDLESS of who won the 2008 election.
Newsflash for you. I never said Obama was POTUS on the 19th. Reading is FUNduhmental!
Considering that McLame was nothing but the Bush principles continued... America decisively rejected that concept as failing and said, well.... what was it they said? Oh yeah..... Na Na Na Na Gooodbyeeee!
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I expect nothing else from those hardcore obamabots that represents what is wrong in america its either your with us or against us mentality that keeps us from coming together...change you can believe in folks.
Like Little Bush vs The World? "Come and get it?"
But don't worry. After the worst President in history, the next two terms for Obama is going to be a cakewalk.
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Like Little Bush vs The World? "Come and get it?"
But don't worry. After the worst President in history, the next two terms for Obama is going to be a cakewalk.
LOL again you should try and actually contribute to a intelligent debate instead of spewing your ignorance around the board. You seem to think that obama being elected turns me off of America, while your patriotism and loyalty maybe so easily swayed mine is not. I hope obama does great i hope he does so great i vote for him in 4 yrs I also hope he doesnt do half the shit he wants to do but that doesnt mean i hope he does bad.
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Its not right. Regardless, there is a time and place for everything, and that was not it. But, I am not surprised at the conduct of immature welfare cases who think Bush caused Katrina.
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Typical liberal scum bags.No class in defeat"they cheated" NO CLASS IN VICTORY.
Yes. Why can't people be more classy?
Its too bad he didnt die and it would have been a double blessing if his son died as well.
Hey, that's pretty classy, wishing Teddy kennedy would have passed on. You're a class act!
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Yes. Why can't people be more classy?
Hey, that's pretty classy, wishing Teddy kennedy would have passed on. You're a class act!
The man killed a women.Let her die and didnt do a thing to help her.He deserved the death penalty.Ask Mary Joe Kepeckny[sp]if they think hes worthy of death.His son is a stoned out freak who has been in rehab three times and then makes laws for us to follow.Also worthy of death.I guess though,Teddy is a lib and they are allowed to kill women or rape them like Clinton and you defend it.
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So did Laura Bush.
So let her die too.
Amazing display of cooperative braincells you got there pal.
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So did Laura Bush.
So let her die too.
Amazing display of cooperative braincells you got there pal.
Laura Bush killed a women?Or are you saying she went to rehab?Now,my brain cells obviously arent as great as yours,BUT I said "he went to drug rehab three times THEN is allowed to make laws for us to follow".Correct me if Im wrong,but Laura Bush made no laws,had no power to make laws,and has made or voted on no laws.Patrick Kennedy has and has voted in drug laws while he is using hardcore drugs.If you cant see a HUGE differance there then perhaps you better check your brain cells PAL.
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Laura Bush killed a women?Or are you saying she went to rehab?Now,my brain cells obviously arent as great as yours,BUT I said "he went to drug rehab three times THEN is allowed to make laws for us to follow".Correct me if Im wrong,but Laura Bush made no laws,had no power to make laws,and has made or voted on no laws.Patrick Kennedy has and has voted in drug laws while he is using hardcore drugs.If you cant see a HUGE differance there then perhaps you better check your brain cells PAL.
You have to be a gimmick of Hugo or RPF, designed to emphasize the idiotic mindset of inbred hillbillies without any real logic or education. It almost worked guys, but you went overboard on this post.
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But it's ok when it concerns people like Allen, Craig, Foley who voted on the very laws they were breaking?
P.S. Laura Bush killed someone too.
P.S.S. It is "women" only in plural form, not singular.
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You have to be a gimmick of Hugo or RPF, designed to emphasize the idiotic mindset of inbred hillbillies without any real logic or education. It almost worked guys, but you went overboard on this post.
That darn HYPOCRISY... so subtle, so invisible, so hard to recognize it.... deadly little thing it is. Especially the way it delivers self-pwnage every single time.
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Laura Bush killed a women?Or are you saying she went to rehab?Now,my brain cells obviously arent as great as yours,BUT I said "he went to drug rehab three times THEN is allowed to make laws for us to follow".Correct me if Im wrong,but Laura Bush made no laws,had no power to make laws,and has made or voted on no laws.Patrick Kennedy has and has voted in drug laws while he is using hardcore drugs.If you cant see a HUGE differance there then perhaps you better check your brain cells PAL.
If anyone besides Teddy K. had been in that car with Mary Jo Kopechne, he'd still be in prison today.
So did Laura Bush.
So let her die too.
Amazing display of cooperative braincells you got there pal.
If you think Laura being in an accident at age 17 that killed the driver of the other car is at all the same as leaving someone to die alone in a car in a lake, then you're an idiot. Surely you're not that stupid to even compare the two.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
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An accident is an accident.
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An accident is an accident.
Ted Kennedy walking away from Mary Jo Kopechne and leaving her to die was no accident. Totally different than two teenage girls in a car having a collision late at night. Ted's a corrupt scumbag who thinks he's above the law, like the rest of his family. I mean I don't wish death on him, but neither do I have any respect for the guy.
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You have to be a gimmick of Hugo or RPF, designed to emphasize the idiotic mindset of inbred hillbillies without any real logic or education. It almost worked guys, but you went overboard on this post.
Please tell me one thing in the post that is wrong.Did Laura Bush kill someone like Kennedy did?Did she drive drunk,get in an accident,leave the person to drown,go home and call the lawyer instead of the police.Please enlighten me super lib.Did Patrick Kennedy pass laws while being a self admitted drug addict,bi-polar,alcaholic[his words not mine]?Please show me the error of the post.My bet,you will insult me,but NEVER prove one word wrong.Thats your MO.
Now as far as those other senators and congressman,put a rope around their necks,string them up for treason.
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didn't bush coincidentally kill her ex, who happened to be in a car with another girl?
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didn't bush coincidentally kill her ex, who happened to be in a car with another girl?
That had to be just a tragic coincidence...even if there's no such thing as coincidence.
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There's a time and a place for everything, though, and the Inauguration event was not the time to jeer a departing President.
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That had to be just a tragic coincidence...even if there's no such thing as coincidence.
Yep.
Although I bet if Michelle Obama had creamed her ex (who dumped her for her best friend) by slamming her car into his car door at a high rate of speed, there would be quite a few CTers coming from the right.
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Yep.
Although I bet if Michelle Obama had creamed her ex (who dumped her for her best friend) by slamming her car into his car door at a high rate of speed, there would be quite a few CTers coming from the right.
The good thing is Teddy will be dead shortly,so Mary Joe will have her revenge.Hopefully it will be slow and painful so he can understand the suffering drowning is.Im sure 240 will blame Palin for his cancer though.
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we have been over this time and time again there was intel out there that pointed to Iraq having wmd...Water boarding is debateable as torture as well...under the geneva convention sleep deprivation could be torture, shit keeping ppl in jail cells could be deemed torture under the geneva convention.
As usual all you do is ignore the facts and make up your own reality. The downing street memos show the Bush admin was actively tailoring intelligence around the goal of going to war. Stop the bullshit Tony. The fiasco around the forged yellow cake documents show an intelligence effort to falsify intelligence. Somebody was out there creating bogus intelligence. Pull your head out of your ass. If you have someone out there doing that and at the same time you have the downing street memos revealing the fix what the fuck do you think was happening you gomer? We know for a fact the Bush admin didn't get the intelligence they wanted from the CIA and so they went to the pentagon where an intelligence gathering effort was made there outside the CIA. It just so happens that all the info that turned out to be bogus came from the pentagon. You have to be absolutely stupid if you can't add 2+2 on this.
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is a lib and they are allowed to kill women or rape them like Clinton and you defend it.
bahahaha, there was no 'rape'.
so...its ok for bush to be responsible for the ACTUAL deaths, rapes and murders of hundreds of thousands but GOD FORBID that Clinton have CONSENSUAL sex with an aide!!! oh god the horror!!! THE EVIL, EVIL HORROR!!!! hahahahahahahahah
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As usual all you do is ignore the facts and make up your own reality. The downing street memos show the Bush admin was actively tailoring intelligence around the goal of going to war. Stop the bullshit Tony. The fiasco around the forged yellow cake documents show an intelligence effort to falsify intelligence. Somebody was out there creating bogus intelligence. Pull your head out of your ass. If you have someone out there doing that and at the same time you have the downing street memos revealing the fix what the fuck do you think was happening you gomer? We know for a fact the Bush admin didn't get the intelligence they wanted from the CIA and so they went to the pentagon where an intelligence gathering effort was made there outside the CIA. It just so happens that all the info that turned out to be bogus came from the pentagon. You have to be absolutely stupid if you can't add 2+2 on this.
was bush influencing other countries intel as well?, maybe you could talk to hh6 about this? My point is that there was intel that pointed to iraq having or trying to obtain wmd this you can not deny. Also water boarding is debateable as torture you didnt even touch that, the geneva convention is written so broadly and in such a way that keeping somebody in a cell could be interpreted as torture as well.
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"There's a time and a place for everything, though, and the Inauguration event was not the time to jeer a departing President"
Thats exactly right. Its immature and classless. I do not like people like that.
The intell that was provided to the administration was at very least debateable. You cannot be so sure Hugo. I criticize the president and administration for Iraq as well, but if the intell was mixed, then it came down to a judgement.
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"There's a time and a place for everything, though, and the Inauguration event was not the time to jeer a departing President"
Thats exactly right. Its immature and classless. I do not like people like that.
The intell that was provided to the administration was at very least debateable. You cannot be so sure Hugo. I criticize the president and administration for Iraq as well, but if the intell was mixed, then it came down to a judgement.
exactly im not saying he made the right call actually im saying he made the wrong call but enough with the president intentionally lied to lead us to war nonsense. Also to think that we have all info the president or his intel had is just ignorant.
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didn't bush coincidentally kill her ex, who happened to be in a car with another girl?
She must have been quite the mathematician to figure out the calculations needed to perfectly smash that vehicle from a distance. Not that I really care.
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bahahaha, there was no 'rape'.
so...its ok for bush to be responsible for the ACTUAL deaths, rapes and murders of hundreds of thousands but GOD FORBID that Clinton have CONSENSUAL sex with an aide!!! oh god the horror!!! THE EVIL, EVIL HORROR!!!! hahahahahahahahah
Clinto raped Anita Broderick you dumb ass.That was not sex between two conenting adults nit wit.Bush was responsible for a rape?Please give mre the facts on that.Responsible for the death of an innocent person?Who might that be?A filthy Muslim terrorist?Please.
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was bush influencing other countries intel as well?, maybe you could talk to hh6 about this? My point is that there was intel that pointed to iraq having or trying to obtain wmd this you can not deny.(no I don't deny it you assclown, I just got done telling you how that intel came about but you completely igored what I said and as usual just made your own shit up like I never said anything) Also water boarding is debateable as torture you didnt even touch that, the geneva convention is written so broadly and in such a way that keeping somebody in a cell could be interpreted as torture as well.(You can't get past the first point, I think you should tackle one item at a time peabrain)
What the hell are you talking about... wow, you seriously can't even read. Your post doesn't even make sence as a reply ::) Not shocking coming from you, try again.
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HAHA
Democrats sit on the intelligence committees.
They signed of on this.
the brief on pre-war iraq intelligence
http://intelligence.senate.gov/108301.pdf
2003-2004
Republicans Democrats
Pat Roberts, Kansas John D. Rockefeller IV, W.Virginia
Chairman Vice Chairman
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Carl Levin, Michigan
Mike DeWine, Ohio Dianne Feinstein, California
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Ron Wyden, Oregon
Trent Lott, Mississippi Richard Durbin, Illinois
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Evan Bayh, Indiana
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska John Edwards, North Carolina
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Barbara Mikulski, Maryland
John Warner, Virginia
Bill Frist, Tennessee, Ex Officio
Thomas A. Daschle, South Dakota, Ex Officio
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HAHA
Democrats sit on the intelligence committees.
They signed of on this.
the brief on pre-war iraq intelligence
http://intelligence.senate.gov/108301.pdf
2003-2004
Republicans Democrats
Pat Roberts, Kansas John D. Rockefeller IV, W.Virginia
Chairman Vice Chairman
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Carl Levin, Michigan
Mike DeWine, Ohio Dianne Feinstein, California
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Ron Wyden, Oregon
Trent Lott, Mississippi Richard Durbin, Illinois
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Evan Bayh, Indiana
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska John Edwards, North Carolina
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Barbara Mikulski, Maryland
John Warner, Virginia
Bill Frist, Tennessee, Ex Officio
Thomas A. Daschle, South Dakota, Ex Officio
Doh! lol. Remind me never to debate you. :)
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Clinto raped Anita Broderick you dumb ass.That was not sex between two conenting adults nit wit.Bush was responsible for a rape?Please give mre the facts on that.Responsible for the death of an innocent person?Who might that be?A filthy Muslim terrorist?Please.
hahaha. nobody can be this simple.hahahaha
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What the hell are you talking about... wow, you seriously can't even read. Your post doesn't even make sence as a reply ::) Not shocking coming from you, try again.
LOL why the anger hugo?
I read the downing street memo from the link it provided and it doesnt seem to me that they where falsifying info only planning a military action. I can understand your thinking as if you are getting conflicting intelligence and you choose to push one more so than the other you could be looked at as not being truthful.
FACT: there was conflicting intel about iraq and its wmd program not just from our country and britian but from other countries as well.
Again ive asked everybody that has this view this question, why is it that he would go through all of this fabricate intel and not plant wmd? This man could mobilize an entire country the best military force this world has ever seen but he cant plant wmd to validate his "lie"
Your link with videos says that even the head of the CIA said that the info colin powell was reporting on was 100% correct again conflicting reports hindsight is always 20/20 bro.
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You have to be a gimmick of Hugo or RPF, designed to emphasize the idiotic mindset of inbred hillbillies without any real logic or education. It almost worked guys, but you went overboard on this post.
Wish I could take credit for that. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Bush is lucky he didn't get stoned to death with dress shoes yesterday.
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HAHA
Democrats sit on the intelligence committees.
They signed of on this.
the brief on pre-war iraq intelligence
http://intelligence.senate.gov/108301.pdf
2003-2004
Republicans Democrats
Pat Roberts, Kansas John D. Rockefeller IV, W.Virginia
Chairman Vice Chairman
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Carl Levin, Michigan
Mike DeWine, Ohio Dianne Feinstein, California
Christopher S. Bond, Missouri Ron Wyden, Oregon
Trent Lott, Mississippi Richard Durbin, Illinois
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine Evan Bayh, Indiana
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska John Edwards, North Carolina
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Barbara Mikulski, Maryland
John Warner, Virginia
Bill Frist, Tennessee, Ex Officio
Thomas A. Daschle, South Dakota, Ex Officio
duh... What is your point? They all got to see the fictional intelligence brief crafted in the Pentagon and made their decisions based on lies. Thanks for making my point.
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LOL why the anger hugo?
I read the downing street memo from the link it provided and it doesnt seem to me that they where falsifying info only planning a military action. I can understand your thinking as if you are getting conflicting intelligence and you choose to push one more so than the other you could be looked at as not being truthful.
FACT: there was conflicting intel about iraq and its wmd program not just from our country and britian but from other countries as well.
Again ive asked everybody that has this view this question, why is it that he would go through all of this fabricate intel and not plant wmd? This man could mobilize an entire country the best military force this world has ever seen but he cant plant wmd to validate his "lie"
Your link with videos says that even the head of the CIA said that the info colin powell was reporting on was 100% correct again conflicting reports hindsight is always 20/20 bro.
passage from the July 23 ministers' meeting:
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
So you clown, Richard Dearlove, head of MI6 comes back from Washington and reports that the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. Further, when you have the Yellow Cake forgery and the Bush admin getting the pentagon to come up with intelligence that much turned out to be bad or just outright lies like the bogus link between Saddam and Mohamed Atta it becomes clear that the reality matches what Richard Dearlove reported back.
Most of these crap lies created by the Bush admin through the pentagon went into the intelligence brief for Congress. How can anyone not wonder if force would have been authorized without the effort by the admin to falsify the intelligence?
Fact and I'm sorry this fucks with you so hard that you have to look a fool with your spin attempt: Bush lied and people died. It is a felony to lie to Congress and that's exactly what Bush did. He should have been impeached, tried and sent away.
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passage from the July 23 ministers' meeting:
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.
So you clown, Richard Dearlove, head of MI6 comes back from Washington and reports that the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. Further, when you have the Yellow Cake forgery and the Bush admin getting the pentagon to come up with intelligence that much turned out to be bad or just outright lies like the bogus link between Saddam and Mohamed Atta it becomes clear that the reality matches what Richard Dearlove reported back.
Most of these crap lies created by the Bush admin through the pentagon went into the intelligence brief for Congress. How can anyone not wonder if force would have been authorized without the effort by the admin to falsify the intelligence?
Fact and I'm sorry this fucks with you so hard that you have to look a fool with your spin attempt: Bush lied and people died. It is a felony to lie to Congress and that's exactly what Bush did. He should have been impeached, tried and sent away.
Again so its your impression that there was NO intel saying that iraq had or was working towards wmd not from the US not from britian notfrom any other country?
Again i could understand that being that they would have been pushing certain intel and not others which would be fixing intel to around policy would it not?
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Again so its your impression that there was NO intel saying that iraq had or was working towards wmd not from the US not from britian notfrom any other country?
Again i could understand that being that they would have been pushing certain intel and not others which would be fixing intel to around policy would it not?
Again you're missing the whole point. The only thing that matters is if or if not there was a concerted effort to fix intelligence. That's been shown to be the case, PERIOD! You're attempting a red herring. Adding a truth to a package of lies doesn't preserve the package. It's still a package of lies. The crime is still there and isn't diminished because there may be a truth contained within. It's like saying it's ok to rob your back because some of the money is yours ::) If the intelligence that was not fixed was not strong enough to make a case for war and there was an effort to manufacture intelligence to make the case solid, then the crime is there, how in the hell do you not see that? Your denial as usual is comical.
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Again you're missing the whole point. The only thing that matters is if or if not there was a concerted effort to fix intelligence. That's been shown to be the case, PERIOD! You're attempting a red herring. Adding a truth to a package of lies doesn't preserve the package. It's still a package of lies. The crime is still there and isn't diminished because there may be a truth contained within. It's like saying it's ok to rob your back because some of the money is yours ::) If the intelligence that was not fixed was not strong enough to make a case for war and there was an effort to manufacture intelligence to make the case solid, then the crime is there, how in the hell do you not see that? Your denial as usual is comical.
haha so you have the downing street memo that could be interpreted in the way ive given or your way, what intelligence was fabricated by bush? specifically what intelligence was fabricated by bush.
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Remember the Powell speech at the UN? Well why did Bush go to the UN? Only a short time before that, Bush said F-You to the UN and said we would do it alone. What changed Bush's mind? Why did Powell go to the UN to make the case? So above in the downing street memos we see the head of MI6 saying the intelligence was being fixed. Bush changed coarse on UN approval because Blair made it a stipulation to signing on. So Powell is sent to the UN to make the case and shows up with a 19 page brief with which he proceeds to make the case against Saddam. It then turned out that 11 fucking pages of that was plagiarized from a student paper written around the time of the first gulf war, based on intelligence obtained prior to the 1st gulf war? Oh My God man, if that is not the icing on the "fixing the intelligence" cake. How can you not see all of this Tony? Someone broke into the Nigerian Embassy in Rome, to steal official letterhead which was used to forge the documents connecting Saddam to the purchase. The CIA tells Bush, sorry the intelligence isn't there on Saddam so they make their own intelligence agency in the pentagon to fabricate crap? Hello? Bush lied!!!! It's the only point that matters!!!
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haha so you have the downing street memo that could be interpreted in the way ive given or your way, what intelligence was fabricated by bush? specifically what intelligence was fabricated by bush.
You fucking retard, there is only one way to interpret this!!!!!!!!
"the intelligence and facts were being fixed
around the policy."
That's from the head of MI6 dumbass!!!!
Obviously the intelligence that came from the pentagon and turned out to be absolute bullshit was fabricated!!!! Obviously the people who prepared Powell's case to present at the UN knew they were using pre-gulf war intelligence plagiarized from a student to make the case.
You think you'll be clever and demand the exact proof of what Bush lied on. But that's not the way it works bubba. That's like saying nobody can be convicted of a crime unless there is actual video of them being caught in the act. All the information needed to show the administration made an effort to fix intelligence is there. The facts across the board all support eachother. If this were any ordinary case it would be a done deal for the prosecution.
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Remember the Powell speech at the UN? Well why did Bush go to the UN? Only a short time before that, Bush said F-You to the UN and said we would do it alone. What changed Bush's mind? Why did Powell go to the UN to make the case? So above in the downing street memos we see the head of MI6 saying the intelligence was being fixed. Bush changed coarse on UN approval because Blair made it a stipulation to signing on. So Powell is sent to the UN to make the case and shows up with a 19 page brief with which he proceeds to make the case against Saddam. It then turned out that 11 fucking pages of that was plagiarized from a student paper written around the time of the first gulf war, based on intelligence obtained prior to the 1st gulf war? Oh My God man, if that is not the icing on the "fixing the intelligence" cake. How can you not see all of this Tony? Someone broke into the Nigerian Embassy in Rome, to steal official letterhead which was used to forge the documents connecting Saddam to the purchase. The CIA tells Bush, sorry the intelligence isn't there on Saddam so they make their own intelligence agency in the pentagon to fabricate crap? Hello? Bush lied!!!! It's the only point that matters!!!
is the the intel that powell went on not the same intel that the director of the CIA looked him in the eye and said was 100% correct?
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is the the intel that powell went on not the same intel that the director of the CIA looked him in the eye and said was 100% correct?
the 19 pages given to Powell was prepared by the British. After they knowingly signed onto the war knowing the intelligence was being fixed in Washington. They aided in the fix after signing on.
and even so, what's your point? Hardly the first time a president would place the ball in a potential scapegoats hands ready to ask the guy to fall on his sword at the first sign of trouble. Doesn't mean anything! Just another red herring attempt.
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the 19 pages given to Powel was prepared by the British. After they knowingly signed onto the war knowing the intellengence was being fixed in Washington. They aided in the fix after signing on.
IC IC so it was not only bush but england as well?
Your post to pbs said that powell meet with the CIA director who said that the intel he had was 100% right.
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IC IC so it was not only bush but england as well?
Your post to pbs said that powell meet with the CIA director who said that the intel he had was 100% right.
Did you not read what I just said or not understand it? You're just doing the same thing, act like I didn't say anything or just interpret what I say to mean what you want. Slow down sparky, go back and read that again because it answers your spin attmept here.
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Did you not read what I just said or not understand it? You're just doing the same thing, act like I didn't say anything or just interpret what I say to mean what you want. Slow down sparky, go back and read that again because it answers your spin attmept here.
im not spinning anything in your link to the pbs site it says that the intel used for powells information was said to be 100% right by the cia director.
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im not spinning anything in your link to the pbs site it says that the intel used for powells information was said to be 100% right by the cia director.
What's your point? You found the scapegoat? Fucking newsflash pal, it's old news. Bush setting up a scapegoat to take the fall doesn't mean jack. It's actually one more thing that makes Bush look guilty.
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What's your point? You found the scapegoat? Fucking newsflash pal, it's old news. Bush setting up a scapegoat to take the fall doesn't mean jack. It's actually one more thing that makes Bush look guilty.
Hugo holy shit are you retarded. First you say that the CIA director says they didn't have intel on wmd's. Then you link him to a site where the CIA director says intel about WMD's that powell has is 100% correct. Which one is it?
Obama 53% of the popular vote
McCain 46% of the popular vote
Yeah America was REALLY sure about Obama.
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Hugo holy shit are you retarded. First you say that the CIA director says they didn't have intel on wmd's. Then you link him to a site where the CIA director says intel about WMD's that powell has is 100% correct. Which one is it?
that not exactly what I said. we're talking about the overall case for war. They did not like what they were getting from the CIA and they did go to Feith at the Pentagon to create and falsify intellegence to bolster the case for war. That's a fact.
Here:
Well, the president wandered into the Situation Room, totally unscheduled, just to say, "Hi. Keep it up! Good work!"-- raise everybody's morale. [He] saw me and dragged me and a few others into the conference room and started talking about Iraq, and having me go through all the evidence that we had piled up from the weeks and months before to see if there was a connection between what had happened on 9/11 and Iraq.
And he said: "Saddam! Saddam! See if there's a connection to Saddam!" And this wasn't "See if there's a connection with Iran, and while you're at it, do Iraq, and while you're at it, do the Palestinian Islamic group." It wasn't "Do due diligence." It wasn't "Have an exhaustive review." It was "Saddam, Saddam." I read that pretty clearly, that that was the answer he wanted.
I said to him, "We have already done that research prior to the attack" -- in fact, we'd done it a couple of times -- "and there's nothing there." And the facial expression back was, "That wasn't the right answer."
So I said, "Well, but we will do it again." And we asked CIA to do it again. CIA did it again, came up with the same answer. That answer was written up and handed to the president by George Tenet in one of his morning meetings, and it said, "For the third or fourth time, we've gone back to look at the relationship between Al Qaeda and Iraq, and there is no real cooperation between those two."
There's a point at which multiple visits by a senior official from the White House -- when he's telling you what he believes over and over and over again, and he's not dissuaded by the evidence that you have to the contrary, and [it's] coming in the context of a public discussion about Iraq -- there's a point at which [it] crosses the line. And you, as an intelligence analyst at CIA, are now thinking, they want me to say X. Whether or not it's true, they want me to say X.
Now, does anyone ever take the analyst aside and say, "To hell with the truth -- write this"? No. It's a little bit more subtle than that, but not a lot more subtle than that.
I remember vividly, in the driveway outside of the West Wing, Scooter Libby, from the vice president's office, grabbing me and saying, "I hear you don't believe this report that Mohamed Atta was talking to Iraqi people in Prague." I said, "I don't believe it because it's not true." And he said: "You're wrong. You know you're wrong. Go back and find out; look at the rest of the reports, and find out that you're wrong." I understood what he was saying, which was: "This is a report that we want to believe, and stop saying it's not true. It's a real problem for the vice president's office that you, the counterterrorism coordinator, are walking around saying that this isn't a true report. Shut up!" That's what I was being told.
I'm somebody who has been in Washington national security for 30 years. I'm not easily intimidated. Imagine if you're an analyst at the CIA who's been there for four or five years.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/interviews/clarke.html#3
Ron Suskind’s new book alleges that the White House ordered the CIA to forge a letter from the head of Iraqi intelligence to Saddam Hussein linking the dictator to the 9/11 terrorists. The American Conservative’s Philip Giraldi argues today that “an extremely reliable and well placed source in the intelligence community” told him Suskind’s overall claim “is correct,” but that it was Douglas Feith’s Office of Special Plans — not the CIA — that forged the letter:
My source also notes that Dick Cheney, who was behind the forgery, hated and mistrusted the Agency and would not have used it for such a sensitive assignment. Instead, he went to Doug Feith’s Office of Special Plans and asked them to do the job. … It was Feith’s office that produced the letter and then surfaced it to the media in Iraq. Unlike the [Central Intelligence] Agency, the Pentagon had no restrictions on it regarding the production of false information to mislead the public. Indeed, one might argue that Doug Feith’s office specialized in such activity.
A CIA counterrorism expert said that, in the run-up to war, Feith’s office recommended that the CIA’s finding of no link between Iraq al Qaeda relations “be ignored. Not challenged, not made the subject of a critical dialogue between policymakers and analysts, but ignored.”
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Wurmser would be the founding participant of the unnamed, secret intelligence unit at the Pentagon, set up in Feith's office, which would be the nucleus of the Defense Department's Iraq disinformation campaign that was established within weeks of the attacks in New York and Washington. While the CIA and other intelligence agencies concentrated on Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda as the culprit in the 9/11 attacks, Wolfowitz and Feith obsessively focused on Iraq. It was a theory that was discredited, even ridiculed, among intelligence professionals. Daniel Benjamin, co-author of The Age of Sacred Terror, was director of counterterrorism at the National Security Council in the late 1990s. "In 1998, we went through every piece of intelligence we could find to see if there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq," he says. "We came to the conclusion that our intelligence agencies had it right: There was no noteworthy relationship between Al Qaeda and Iraq. I know that for a fact." Indeed, that was the consensus among virtually all anti-terrorism specialists.
In short, Wurmser, backed by Feith and Rhode, set out to prove what didn't exist.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html
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On March 9, 2004, Los Angeles Times' staff reporter Greg Miller writes that during testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, George J. Tenet, Director of the CIA, revealed that "A special intelligence unit at the Pentagon provided private prewar briefings to senior White House officials on alleged ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda without the knowledge of [the] CIA Director ... [and the] disclosure suggests that a controversial Pentagon office played a greater role than previously understood in shaping the administration's views on Iraq's alleged ties to the terrorist network behind the Sept. 11 attacks, and that it bypassed usual channels to make a case that conflicted with the conclusions of CIA analysts."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Office_of_Special_Plans
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duh... What is your point? They all got to see the fictional intelligence brief crafted in the Pentagon and made their decisions based on lies. Thanks for making my point.
This was written from the committee's perspective about the information they received leading up to the Iraq war.
You obviously didn't read the document and don't know how the intelligence committee works or its mandate is.
There are many mentions of different information that the senate committee received include a lot of dubious information.
The intelligence has the legal oversight over the intelligence committees and has access to all of the same information that the president has.
Thanks for coming out though.
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This was written from the committee's perspective about the information they received leading up to the Iraq war.
You obviously didn't read the document and don't know how the intelligence committee works or its mandate is.
There are many mentions of different information that the senate committee received include a lot of dubious information.
The intelligence has the legal oversight over the intelligence committees and has access to all of the same information that the president has.
Thanks for coming out though.
wrong:
A 14-page "congressional report made public [December 15, 2005,] concluded that President Bush and his inner circle had access to more intelligence and reviewed more sensitive material than what was shared with Congress when it gave Bush the authority to wage war against Iraq," Dafna Linzer reported in the December 16, 2005, Washington Post.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_administration_lies_that_led_to_war
But you miss the whole point don't you? It's not relevent if the same intelligence is seen by both the president and the Senate Intelligence committee when all the information I've posted above shows an effort originating from the whitehouse to have the intelligence delivered cooked. Kind of a big oops in your thinking huh... yea... Read the above posts man, either you didn't or they went right over your head.
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"There's a time and a place for everything, though, and the Inauguration event was not the time to jeer a departing President"
Thats exactly right. Its immature and classless. I do not like people like that.
The intell that was provided to the administration was at very least debateable. You cannot be so sure Hugo. I criticize the president and administration for Iraq as well, but if the intell was mixed, then it came down to a judgement.
I totally agree.
The jeering of an outgoing President was pretty lowbrow.
Sandra
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What's your point? You found the scapegoat? Fucking newsflash pal, it's old news. Bush setting up a scapegoat to take the fall doesn't mean jack. It's actually one more thing that makes Bush look guilty.
so now its tenet, bush, england, pentegon special unit that are in on the fix? what about the other countries that lended intel to iraqs wmd program?
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so now its tenet, bush, england, pentegon special unit that are in on the fix? what about the other countries that lended intel to iraqs wmd program?
quit with the red herrings dipshit... There's plenty to show a effort was made originating from the whitehouse to cook the intel on Iraq. Intel originating from foreign intelligence services has no bearing on the criminal actions taken by the whitehouse through the pentagon to cook intel. It's like you're saying that the bank robbers should get off because one of the accomplices brought gifts to pass out during the robbery ::)
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IMO, we won't know for certain and could argue forever. I see why some want an investigation, that I can understand. If the administration purposely falsified documents, that is a real problem. I get the impression that there were conflicting reports and the administration chose to go with the ones that suited their agenda in removing Sadaam.
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IMO, we won't know for certain and could argue forever. I see why some want an investigation, that I can understand. If the administration purposely falsified documents, that is a real problem. I get the impression that there were conflicting reports and the administration chose to go with the ones that suited their agenda in removing Sadaam.
There's nothing to argue. These guys are just being assclowns. We know that the white house worked directly with OSP at the pentagon to fix intelligence. We know that most of the intel that turned up to be bullshit originated from OSP. We know they were working with Dick Cheney. We know that they intentionally falisified links between Al Qaeda and Saddam. We know that this was done to bolster the case for war. That lies were manufactured to make this case is simply a known thing. Now people keep tossing red herrings right and left and try to hide the fact under various other details but the fact remains, lies WERE manufactured, intel WAS cooked. What is there to argue about? nothing.
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There's nothing to argue. These guys are just being assclowns. We know that the white house worked directly with OSP at the pentagon to fix intelligence. We know that most of the intel that turned up to be bullshit originated from OSP. We know they were working with Dick Cheney. We know that they intentionally falisified links between Al Qaeda and Saddam. We know that this was done to bolster the case for war. That lies were manufactured to make this case is simply a known thing. Now people keep tossing red herrings right and left and try to hide the fact under various other details but the fact remains, lies WERE manufactured, intel WAS cooked. What is there to argue about? nothing.
That's your opinion.
You bait an argument, I report the evidence that was directly used by the senate.
You argue that it was faked.
This is the inspector general executive summary.
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2007/DODIG.execsummary.020907.pdf
Yet even with all of the information the report on September 2004 still holds true.
Then you call everyone names that disagrees with you.
Nice to see you back. Just like old times.
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You might as well stop arguing with hugo. He has his mind made up. His hate for Bush automatically skews his view of things. Everyone in this thread can clearly see that it pretty much came down to a judgement call. Hugo lets his deep seated hate for bush cloud his judgement and jump to conclusions.
That's your opinion.
You bait an argument, I report the evidence that was directly used by the senate.
You argue that it was faked.
This is the inspector general executive summary.
http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2007/DODIG.execsummary.020907.pdf
Yet even with all of the information the report on September 2004 still holds true.
Then you call everyone names that disagrees with you.
Nice to see you back. Just like old times.
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Didn't bother reading the thread, as I just want to comment on the main topic. Is anybody surprised at all? They are the same dimwits teaching zero discipline to their spoiled brat kids. Bush should have flipped them off.
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What Obama should have done was show up on the 19th and throw Bush's suitcase out on the front lawn, frog marched him out there and then publicly broke his foot off in his ass.
Buhhh Byeeeeee little Bush.
I think I would have paid good money to see that!
Bush is lucky he didn't get stoned to death with dress shoes yesterday.
He was in effigy. On inauguration day, there was a huge hot air balloon (how fitting) with Bush's likeness, tethered to the ground, and people were throwing their shoes at it.
I thought there was something odd about the telecast I saw. It sounded to me like canned applause and didn't sound anything like the applause everyone else was getting. Now it makes sense. The newscast I saw, censored the booing, and substitued the canned applause. IMO Silence would have been better than boo-ing, ...but at long last that stupid fvcker is gone! :)
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...but at long last that stupid fvcker is gone! :)
If only we could say the same thing about you, hootowl...
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If only we could say the same thing about you, hootowl...
{LOL} If I didn't know better, I might say you have a slight crush on me. ;D