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name some match ups and give the winner
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boxer by a country mile, a 20 year old Mike Tyson would DESTROY anyone who has ever competed in MMA.
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klitschko vs lesnar
klitschko wins
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boxer.
A top boxer would not let it go to ground where they would struggle.
The difference of punching skills between the skills of a top pro boxer and a top MMA dork is insane
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boxer by a country mile, a 20 year old Mike Tyson would DESTROY anyone who has ever competed in MMA.
qft
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qft
bump for truth
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An MMA fighter would win but thats just the nature of the 2 sports, the real athletes are in boxing.
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bodybuilders would destroy them all
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like I said all you really have to do is look at the paydays.money talks bullshit walks..who?in there right mind would be an MMA fighter that makes 10-15 thousand a fight.and sometimes a couple hundred thousand a fight.when good boxers,Tyson,Roy Jones,DA la hoya,make 20 million per fight.I mean come on people no one would chose to make thousands when (if they were good enough) could make millions.case closed.
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This is something that the japs need to test and get it over with, have a few top rated boxers take on some top MMA guys in japan (we all know how fucked up the athletic commissions are in the states, they wont sanction anything) and have em go at it. To finally put this question to rest.
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what rules would the fight be under? what size gloves are they wearing? Lesnar would get a double leg on klitchko and ground and pound till the end in mma rules. In boxing rules lesnar would get his face caved in though...
Too vague a question.
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This is something that the japs need to test and get it over with, have a few top rated boxers take on some top MMA guys in japan (we all know how fucked up the athletic commissions are in the states, they wont sanction anything) and have em go at it. To finally put this question to rest.
yea but like I said what top ranked boxer that makes millions is gonna wast time going to fight for a couple thousand.
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It all depends on the format.
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a boxer with NO takedown defence is gonna beat the best mma fighter?
OH BROTHER
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jay cutler would beat lesnar in a bb fight
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
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what rules would the fight be under? what size gloves are they wearing? Lesnar would get a double leg on klitchko and ground and pound till the end in mma rules. In boxing rules lesnar would get his face caved in though...
Too vague a question.
agreed the rules may very well dictate who won.
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depends on the rules. Boxing rules- boxer, mma rules- mma fighter
mma has just too many things for the boxer to compensate- elbows, knees, kicks, takedowns, submission etc...
by the way i am talking about fighting a top mma fighter like penn or gsp
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
epic attention whoring
by posting like a fuck wit :D
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a boxer would jab the head of them before it went to ground
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
hi brock
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
oh boy ::)
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oh boy ::)
swede is in love with brock
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a boxer would jab the head of them before it went to ground
a top mma fighter at a lighter weight can shoot and take you down really really fast. the boxer is too one dimensional. I am a boxing fan too, and i hate to admit it.....but of cos anything can happen in a fight
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a top mma fighter at a lighter weight can shoot and take you down really really fast. the boxer is too one dimensional. I am a boxing fan too, and i hate to admit it.....but of cos anything can happen in a fight
all fights start standing up
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exactly.
It would finish standing up
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/crack_pipe021105.jpg)
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
Mike would drop Lesnar like a sack of potatoes, then fuck him in the butt.
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name some match ups and give the winner
The boxer would win under Queensbury Rules, and a mixed martial artist would win under MMA rules...obvious isn't it.
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if Tyson Dared to fight Brock. I think people would be shocked.
Tyson would underestimate him and BAAM right hand in face.
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Someone like Mark Coleman or another Olympic level wrestler would take Tyson down in 2 secs..
Olympic wrestler> any boxer
YOu guys really thing even a prime Tyson could stuff a takedown from an Olympic wrestler?
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MMA rules = Mma fighter wins 9 out of 10 (boxer KO chance)
Boxing rules = Boxer wins 10 out of 10
Boxer > MMA figther
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Someone like Mark Coleman or another Olympic level wrestler would take Tyson down in 2 secs..
Olympic wrestler> any boxer
YOu guys really thing even a prime Tyson could stuff a takedown from an Olympic wrestler?
that's not the pt. if you survive those first quick 3 shots that tyson gets off...then of course if you are a ground guy you have him beat. mitch green and a couple yahoos were put in a coma before it ever got to the ground.
silva would jack mike on the ground.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2576993912_dc87158208.jpg)?v=0
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If a MMA fighter takes down a Boxer and use jujitsu tecnic. Its crystal clear.
And I say. Best MMA fighter is NOT an American who knows punching only, BUT FEDOR who knows the grand and JUJITSU tecnic.
P.S. Mark coleman is extremely good at taking down because of his wrestling back ground. But also he is extremely stupid who dont learn any jujitsu tecnic.
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that's not the pt. if you survive those first quick 3 shots that tyson gets off...then of course if you are a ground guy you have him beat. mitch green and a couple yahoos were put in a coma before it ever got to the ground.
silva would jack mike on the ground.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2576993912_dc87158208.jpg)?v=0
If Tyson was close enough to land a strike, he would deffinatly be in range to get taken down.
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If it was under boxing rules then the boxer would win.
If it was under MMA rules, the MMA fighter would win.
Why aren't people understanding this simple concept?
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If it was under boxing rules then the boxer would win.
If it was under MMA rules, the MMA fighter would win.
Why aren't people understanding this simple concept?
narrow minded fools aka Squadfather
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If it was under boxing rules then the boxer would win.
If it was under MMA rules, the MMA fighter would win.
Why aren't people understanding this simple concept?
Right.
Cus americans are STILL believing that the punch is the strongest weapon.
Then why FEDOR is the strongest? Think about it..
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If it was under boxing rules then the boxer would win.
If it was under MMA rules, the MMA fighter would win.
Why aren't people understanding this simple concept?
MMA rules = Mma fighter wins 9 out of 10 (boxer KO chance)
Boxing rules = Boxer wins 10 out of 10
Boxer > MMA figther
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if Tyson Dared to fight Brock. I think people would be shocked.
Tyson would underestimate him and BAAM right hand in face.
Your out of your Swedish mind.
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If a MMA fighter takes down a Boxer and use jujitsu tecnic. Its crystal clear.
And I say. Best MMA fighter is NOT an American who knows punching only, BUT FEDOR who knows the grand and JUJITSU tecnic.
P.S. Mark coleman is extremely good at taking down because of his wrestling back ground. But also he is extremely stupid who dont learn any jujitsu tecnic.
SAMBO
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MMA rules = Mma fighter wins 9 out of 10 (boxer KO chance)
Boxing rules = Boxer wins 10 out of 10
Boxer > MMA figther
No ground tecnic = nothing
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SAMBO
Yes
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I hope you are joking....
Fedor is a SAMBO champ, not ju jutsi
why did you modify? lol
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Fedor is a SAMBO champ, not ju jutsi
Sorry! I misunderstand with Kimbo! ;D
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MMA rules = Mma fighter wins 9 out of 10 (boxer KO chance)
Boxing rules = Boxer wins 10 out of 10
Boxer > MMA figther
Based on that logic I agree - it is possible. But it would have to be a very, very quick boxer.
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Based on that logic I agree - it is possible. But it would have to be a very, very quick boxer.
Right.
He must K.O before he is taken down.
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boxer by a country mile, a 20 year old Mike Tyson would DESTROY anyone who has ever competed in MMA.
your high boxers get homphobic when tied up by a grappler over exhauxt themselves and fall victum to the reverse naked choke
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There has never been a better fighter/bodybuilder than Chris Cook
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this is what would happen when you fuck with the typical boxer in the real world.now an MMA guy fighting more than one person might not be as good.he can't take one guy to the ground or the other guy would be kickin the shit outa him..
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this is what would happen when you fuck with the typical boxer in the real world.now an MMA guy fighting more than one person might not be as good.he can't take one guy to the ground or the other guy would be kickin the shit outa him..
nice.
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this is what would happen when you fuck with the typical boxer in the real world.now an MMA guy fighting more than one person might not be as good.he can't take one guy to the ground or the other guy would be kickin the shit outa him..
good stuff. that's what i'm saying. you can easily see how tyson put 2-3 guys down at an elevator...given he got off first and was throwing a s##tload vs that guy in the video. people in the club parking lot said tyson got off three shots first and mitch green didnt bother with getting up. i'd say as crazy as tyson is he goes into flashback boxing mode on you instantly, keeps his technique and sits on his punches. it's no different than that brasilian juju guy keeping his head against that bother and putting him to sleep.
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if the rules are boxing the boxer wins easy, but if its "anything goes" I think an MMA fighter has the advantage since a bozer is probably clueless about submission holds and fighting on the floor
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this is what would happen when you fuck with the typical boxer in the real world.now an MMA guy fighting more than one person might not be as good.he can't take one guy to the ground or the other guy would be kickin the shit outa him..
typical boxer?
for as many punches as the guy threw and landed, he didnt ko or even really hurt the guys. they got up every time and even followed him for some more.
for all we know, this guy has done jujitsu his whole life and took up "boxing" in the last week.
a real boxer would have dropped those guys in one punch.
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fighters fight - anythin goes- and boxers box.
everytime a boxer even thought about doing MMA, they always demanded certain rules.
that doesnt happen in a real fight.
a top mma guy would beat most boxers, but the boxer would always have punch to win.
fedor and karelin would crush everyone.
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some people just don't understand what the average boxer is capable of.I have an old buddy from high school that used to be gold glove.He was a good amature.but not good enough to be a pro.we was in a bar about two years back and there was three guys back by the pool tables being rude to there server.my friend knew the server and asked if he could help.she told him to tell them to leave the bar.needless to say they didn't go quietly but within 30-45 seconds two of them were out cold snoring and the third had ran.now like I said this is an (old) amature fighter.Imagine what an in shape pro would be capable of in a bar fight.
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some people just don't understand what the average boxer is capable of.I have an old buddy from high school that used to be gold glove.He was a good amature.but not good enough to be a pro.we was in a bar about two years back and there was three guys back by the pool tables being rude to there server.my friend knew the server and asked if he could help.she told him to tell them to leave the bar.needless to say they didn't go quietly but within 30-45 seconds two of them were out cold snoring and the third had ran.now like I said this is an (old) amature fighter.Imagine what an in shape pro would be capable of in a bar fight.
I agree. most just don't get it.
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this is what would happen when you fuck with the typical boxer in the real world.now an MMA guy fighting more than one person might not be as good.he can't take one guy to the ground or the other guy would be kickin the shit outa him..
your on glue those fools are drunk and that is no boxing ring. The guy is just trying to keep them off and get out. Its a park there is no ref there to stop the stabbing
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some people just don't understand what the average boxer is capable of.I have an old buddy from high school that used to be gold glove.He was a good amature.but not good enough to be a pro.we was in a bar about two years back and there was three guys back by the pool tables being rude to there server.my friend knew the server and asked if he could help.she told him to tell them to leave the bar.needless to say they didn't go quietly but within 30-45 seconds two of them were out cold snoring and the third had ran.now like I said this is an (old) amature fighter.Imagine what an in shape pro would be capable of in a bar fight.
agree.
unless that bar is full of pro mma fighters.
:P
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yeah but they are pakis they dont throw bombs they strap it to their backs and blow you up fast
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first fight
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those fools are gayer than tacobell those arent real fights
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More often than not MMA.When the boxer is on the ground he is helpless.
The biggest punchers in boxing always have a chance though.
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This is ancient.
It was already settled way back in UFC#1.
The pure Jiu-Jitsu fighter beat the boxer without so much as a scratch.
Even ninjas beat boxers apparently:
Francois Botha was a pretty good boxer(he went 10 or 12 rounds with Tyson, and had him beat on points before being knocked out).
Well his record as a kickboxer was like 2-10. And his two victories were over guys with injuries.
So boxing is a great skill, as part of a larger skill set, but it doesn't do well in single-style vs. single-style matches.
It's too 1-dimensional.
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some people just don't understand what the average boxer is capable of.I have an old buddy from high school that used to be gold glove.He was a good amature.but not good enough to be a pro.we was in a bar about two years back and there was three guys back by the pool tables being rude to there server.my friend knew the server and asked if he could help.she told him to tell them to leave the bar.needless to say they didn't go quietly but within 30-45 seconds two of them were out cold snoring and the third had ran.now like I said this is an (old) amature fighter.Imagine what an in shape pro would be capable of in a bar fight.
man... we are talking about going one on one with a SKILLED mma fighter, not some bums drinking in a bar and only got the wide right swing in their book.
a skilled mma fighter is good in striking too (lidell, sliva, gsp..) and can also handle bums in a bar.
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This is ancient.
It was already settled way back in UFC#1.
The pure Jiu-Jitsu fighter beat the boxer without so much as a scratch.
Even ninjas beat boxers apparently:
Francois Botha was a pretty good boxer(he went 10 or 12 rounds with Tyson, and had him beat on points before being knocked out).
Well his record as a kickboxer was like 2-10. And his two victories were over guys with injuries.
So boxing is a great skill, as part of a larger skill set, but it doesn't do well in single-style vs. single-style matches.
It's too 1-dimensional.
yeah....i got ufc 1 dvd. it was embaressing for the boxer cos he was a boxing champion in his weight (light heavy weight i think) and he even had a glove on cos he thinks his boxing can win ANYONE in ANY FIGHT, but he was wrong... out the fancy footwork and arm speed didn't help.
boxers who go into mma know better now....
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if the rules are boxing the boxer wins easy, but if its "anything goes" I think an MMA fighter has the advantage since a bozer is probably clueless about submission holds and fighting on the floor
duh? good post.
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man... we are talking about going one on one with a SKILLED mma fighter, not some bums drinking in a bar and only got the wide right swing in their book.
a skilled mma fighter is good in striking too (lidell, sliva, gsp..) and can also handle bums in a bar.
agreed.but If I'm fighting multiple people I would prefer a boxing pedigree.listen I love MMA and watch the sport way more than boxing these days.but most of you guys are underestimating what an average boxer is capable of.let alone an Olympic caliber boxer.or a pro.
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Wrestler vs boxer? I'd put my money on the wrestler.
Wrestler with submissions vs boxer? I'd put my money and my car on the wrestler.
Wrestler with submissions and kickboxing vs boxer? I'd put my house, money and car on the wrestler.
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boxers are only good in BOXING.....
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[youtube][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8MqBZ_x_3w/youtube]
every boxer in this video has made more in one year than any MMA fighter has made in there entire career.even the old boxers from way back made more $...so..If MMA fighters are Superior why not go make some real money?
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[youtube][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8MqBZ_x_3w/youtube]
every boxer in this video has made more in one year than any MMA fighter has made in there entire career.even the old boxers from way back made more $...so..If MMA fighters are Superior why not go make some real money?
So what? More boxers beating other boxers.
It doesn't matter if they make more money, because it's already been proven that they lose to fighters from more versatile styles.
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[youtube][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8MqBZ_x_3w/youtube]
every boxer in this video has made more in one year than any MMA fighter has made in there entire career.even the old boxers from way back made more $...so..If MMA fighters are Superior why not go make some real money?
are we comparing earnings now ???
money and superiority in FIGHTING are two different things.
I don't think bill gates can even throw a jab..... ::)
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are we comparing earnings now ???
money and superiority in FIGHTING are two different things.
I don't think bill gates can even throw a jab..... ::)
Grasping at straws.
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agreed.but If I'm fighting multiple people I would prefer a boxing pedigree.listen I love MMA and watch the sport way more than boxing these days.but most of you guys are underestimating what an average boxer is capable of.let alone an Olympic caliber boxer.or a pro.
Absolutely. I've said this before in another thread that started the same arguement.
A boxer spends years honing his ability to punch hard and fast. All that training leaves a very strong impression even after the boxer stops training. The disparity between damage average trained boxer can do when compared with the average Joe is huge.
Average joe punch - getting hit by a wiffle ball bat
Average boxer - baseball bat.
MMA fighters include boxing in their training but its part of their overall arsenal. An MMA fighter is better able to adapt to a real fight situation since he's trained in a number of aspects in the fight game and not just one.
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The point of this thread is to determine whether boxers are better than fighters with a diverse skill set.
Well such matches have happened, and every time those matches happen, the boxers lose.
MMA>Grapplers>Strikers
CASE CLOSED
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bodybuilders would destroy them all
;D ;D ;D
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Street fight? Just challenge BJ Penn, "Hell yeah, thought you'd never ask."
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Fedor > Everyone.
Not only Sambo but Judo as well and has even outstruck CroCop when he faced him. Sambo has a distinct advantage over jui-juitsu because of the latter's lack of leg submissions.
Only thing boxers have is excellent hand speed therefore a puncher's chance in knocking out an MMA guy who would obviously try and take it to the ground. Extremely large heavyweight boxers such as the Klitschko bros use their jab to keep the distance of their opponents. But grappling, they'd have no hope.
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If you watch a lot of MMA fights you'll see that only most fighters want to naturally stand up and swing at each other. Look at the fight between Evans and Griffin. That was a glorified kickboxing match. In fact if you look at Evans he never submitted an opponent and is 13-0-1. And you could argue that tie all day.
I think it's human nature to want to stand and fight not take someone down. If you take into account plus the ego of a fighter and in my opinion you'll end up with a stand up fight. I've met my fair share of fighters and ALL of them want to knock out the other guy as a first option.
But it's like it's been said. If the fight is under boxing rules the boxer wins that majority of the time. If it's MMA rules and the MMA fighter chooses to NOT let it be a stand up fight then the MMA fighter wins the majority of the time. If the MMA fighter tries to prove something and doesn't take the fight to the ground then your going to more or less have a boxing match in an MMA ring, and a boxing match is for boxers.
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does anyone actually know what MMA stands for
MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so your all comparing apples to oranges.
chuck liddel against mike tyson and tyson will go to sleep the end
As for top earners int he UFC they are making millions each year off endorsments contracts alone.
ali and foreman barely made that in their careers
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MMA rules MMA guy should win every time. I dont think too many boxers can counteract head kicks, joint locks and take downs.
Boxing rules, it depends on the MMA fighter. Obviously a submission artist with nominal striking would get killed, but a superior striker would have a chance at winning.
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does anyone actually know what MMA stands for
MIXED MARTIAL ARTS so your all comparing apples to oranges.
chuck liddel against mike tyson and tyson will go to sleep the end
As for top earners int he UFC they are making millions each year off endorsments contracts alone.
ali and foreman barely made that in their careers
hey retard, ever heard of time value of money? ali and foreman were paid like 5 million to fight their rumble in the jungle fight, which in todays terms is equivalent to close to 20+ million
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Fedor > Everyone.
Not only Sambo but Judo as well and has even outstruck CroCop when he faced him. Sambo has a distinct advantage over jui-juitsu because of the latter's lack of leg submissions.
Only thing boxers have is excellent hand speed therefore a puncher's chance in knocking out an MMA guy who would obviously try and take it to the ground. Extremely large heavyweight boxers such as the Klitschko bros use their jab to keep the distance of their opponents. But grappling, they'd have no hope.
WTF are you on about? BJJ has leg locks you dope.
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[youtube][http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8MqBZ_x_3w/youtube]
every boxer in this video has made more in one year than any MMA fighter has made in there entire career.even the old boxers from way back made more $...so..If MMA fighters are Superior why not go make some real money?
Big pay days are coming, the Top UFC guys will make millions this year. MMA has only been mainstreem in North America for 3-4 years at most. How big were boxing pay days in there first years of existance?
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WTF are you on about? BJJ has leg locks you dope.
Sambo leg locks > BJJ leg locks.
Many BJJ tounries dont even allow leg locks.
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Sambo leg locks > BJJ leg locks.
Many BJJ tounries dont even allow leg locks.
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A leg lock is leg lock. There's nothing magical about a heel hook or a knee bar. In MMA you see BJJ guys going for the legs regularly. And now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen Fedor going for a leg.
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This is a moot point, and was settled years ago. Boxers are the best at boxing, period. Having 0 takedown defense means you will be on your back and if you don't train subs and sub defense, you are screwed. So under boxing rules, boxer wins. Under unified MMA rules MMA wins.
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This is a moot point, and was settled years ago. Boxers are the best at boxing, period. Having 0 takedown defense means you will be on your back and if you don't train subs and sub defense, you are screwed. So under boxing rules, boxer wins. Under unified MMA rules MMA wins.
x2 agreed it comes down to the rule's
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x2 agreed it comes down to the rule's
Yes and with the minimum amount of rules, ie closest to a fight, the MMA guy has a distinct advantage.
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hey retard, ever heard of time value of money? ali and foreman were paid like 5 million to fight their rumble in the jungle fight, which in todays terms is equivalent to close to 20+ million
Using that formula the biggest payday was the second Dempsey-Tunney fight.Both fighter were paid 1 million dollars.A tidy sum now.A colossal sum in 1929 adjusting for inflation and the low taxes of the period.
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Yes and with the minimum amount of rules, ie closest to a fight, the MMA guy has a distinct advantage.
yes maybe.but I'll tell yea.there's no rules in a bar brawl.and If I was in one I wouldn't care to be any good at say BBJ.I'd want to be the best striker in the bar.If I'm facing multiple people in a fight give me the boxing skills.
and as far as the people saying I was grasping at straws with the money earning.Man if anyone of you had a chance to make in ONE night what you were looking to make your intire career you wouldn't do it?please.
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This is ancient.
It was already settled way back in UFC#1.
The pure Jiu-Jitsu fighter beat the boxer without so much as a scratch.
Even ninjas beat boxers apparently:
Francois Botha was a pretty good boxer(he went 10 or 12 rounds with Tyson, and had him beat on points before being knocked out).
Well his record as a kickboxer was like 2-10. And his two victories were over guys with injuries.
So boxing is a great skill, as part of a larger skill set, but it doesn't do well in single-style vs. single-style matches.
It's too 1-dimensional.
Tyson KOd Botha in the fifth round in 1996.Tyson was on the downward slope then.If any boxer could make the transition to MMA it would be Mike in his prime (1986-88)
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Tyson KOd him in the fifth round in 1996.Tyson was on the downward slope then.If any boxer could make the transition to MMA it would be Mike in his prime (1986-88)
exactly.and everyone keeps talking about a boxer making the transition to MMA.instead of an MMA fighter making the transition to Boxing.
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yes maybe.but I'll tell yea.there's no rules in a bar brawl.and If I was in one I wouldn't care to be any good at say BBJ.I'd want to be the best striker in the bar.If I'm facing multiple people in a fight give me the boxing skills.
and as far as the people saying I was grasping at straws with the money earning.Man if anyone of you had a chance to make in ONE night what you were looking to make your intire career you wouldn't do it?please.
What about takedown defence?
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A leg lock is leg lock. There's nothing magical about a heel hook or a knee bar. In MMA you see BJJ guys going for the legs regularly. And now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen Fedor going for a leg.
Right, and a strike is a strike, so there no difference between Muay Thai and Tae Kwon do, according to your brilliant logic.
Oleg Taktorov was a master of leg locks.
IMO Sambo > BJJ as Sambo covers everything, BJJ has little focus on leg locks.
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Right, and a strike is a strike, so there no difference between Muay Thai and Tae Kwon do, according to your brilliant logic.
Oleg Taktorov was a master of leg locks.
IMO Sambo > BJJ as Sambo covers everything, BJJ has little focus on leg locks.
Please explain to me the fundamental difference in applying a knee bar or a heel lock in sambo and BJJ. Let's see what you can come up with.
And while you're at it you might as well explain to me why the ratio of fights finished by an arm lock vs fight finished by a leg lock is probably close to 100:1 if not more. That might give you a clue why the focus of BJJ isn't on leg locks genius.
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Easy there rough rider, its the same difference as applying a kimura from BJJ-catch wrestling-Sambo ect. There is no real difference, other than what is focused on in training. Off the top of my head I recall Oleg Knee barring Mark Kerr recently, Josh Barnett finishing Pawel Nastula witha ankle lock and Yoshida with a heel hook, and Arlovski finished Big Tim with a heel hook. Arm/shoulder locks are used alot more frequently but the good catch wrestlers and Sambo guys are still effective with leg/ankle locks.
Are you a fighter ?
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put it this way,floyd mayweather wouldnt last 30 seconds against bj penn,gomi ect in a mma match.mayweather would be subbed so quick he wouldnt even know what happened.rickson and rorion gracie both challenged tyson in 93 or so and tysons camp never responded,tysons camp knew they had everything to lose,tyson getting his ass kicked by a 175lb slim brazilian guy wouldnt be to good for tysons future,lol.boxers got destroyed in the earlier ufc,s against grapplers,just check the ufc fight stats.boxers are good at what they do but boxing is not an efficiant self defense art in combat,its great combined with bjj but by itself youll be in deep shit if a wrestler or bjj grabs you if you miss your one punch chance
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Easy there rough rider, its the same difference as applying a kimura from BJJ-catch wrestling-Sambo ect. There is no real difference, other than what is focused on in training. Off the top of my head I recall Oleg Knee barring Mark Kerr recently, Josh Barnett finishing Pawel Nastula witha ankle lock and Yoshida with a heel hook, and Arlovski finished Big Tim with a heel hook. Arm/shoulder locks are used alot more frequently but the good catch wrestlers and Sambo guys are still effective with leg/ankle locks.
Are you a fighter ?
No I'm not.
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put it this way,floyd mayweather wouldnt last 30 seconds against bj penn,gomi ect in a mma match...
Exactly. Why is this even a debate?
The very best boxers would still lose to grapplers because they have no take down defence, and their striking range is limited. The only way a boxer would win is if, like someone said, the MMA guy let his ego get the better of him and decided to trade blows. The idea of Evander Holyfield evading the take down attempts of a division 1 wrestler is silly. He wouldn't know what to do, and even some training in take down defence wouldn't make up for the skill gap in that particular aspect of fighting. He would be taken down like any other boxer that attempted to fight a grappler in an MMA setting. Ask Kimbo.
Nobody cares about the idea of MMA guys making the transition to boxing, because boxing is a less accurate representation of a real fight due to lack of grappling, kicking, etc. People want to know who the better fighters are, and outside of a 1-on-1 street fight, an MMA arena is the most logical place to determine that.
I concede that boxers make more money than MMA fighters - though I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic.
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Adam Corolla said it best tonight on BDSSP. When asked who was tougher, he said,"Two and a Half words, Ground N Pound. Boxers have eight counts, MMA fighters have guys continuing the fight on the ground and elbowing the temple."
Best boxer in the world would be crazy to fight the equivalent in the same weight class from MMA.
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I don't know why everyone on this board thinks Tyson was the greatest boxer and would therefore do well in MMA. The dude was an absolute killing machine don't get me wrong, but most boxing experts don't put him anywhere near being the greatest ever. I mean ESPN had him at # 50 on their 50 greatest boxers of all time list. Again I'm not trying to say Tyson in his prime wasn't spectacular however If you asked me to name 5 boxers from the catalog of boxing history who I thought would do well in MMA, I don't think I would put him in there.
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No I'm not.
didnt think so
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I don't know why everyone on this board thinks Tyson was the greatest boxer and would therefore do well in MMA. The dude was an absolute killing machine don't get me wrong, but most boxing experts don't put him anywhere near being the greatest ever. I mean ESPN had him at # 50 on their 50 greatest boxers of all time list. Again I'm not trying to say Tyson in his prime wasn't spectacular however If you asked me to name 5 boxers from the catalog of boxing history who I thought would do well in MMA, I don't think I would put him in there.
who do you feel are the best boxers of all time?
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Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, JCC, JMM, Bernard Hopkins to name a few of my favorites.
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I don't know why everyone on this board thinks Tyson was the greatest boxer and would therefore do well in MMA. The dude was an absolute killing machine don't get me wrong, but most boxing experts don't put him anywhere near being the greatest ever. I mean ESPN had him at # 50 on their 50 greatest boxers of all time list. Again I'm not trying to say Tyson in his prime wasn't spectacular however If you asked me to name 5 boxers from the catalog of boxing history who I thought would do well in MMA, I don't think I would put him in there.
First of all he is a heavyweight.The most effective fighters-not necessarily the best- are found in the heavyweight division.In his very short prime, he was the most powerful and devastating combination puncher in the history of heavyweight boxing.So he had the ability to hurt and quickly take out his opponent.Compared,say,to someone like say Ali, Tyson had a low centre of gravity and an incredible uppercut and bodypunching skills,which would be useful against takedowns. I would say the big explosive punchers like Foreman or Lewis would also be quite effective,but they are tall men.
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mma fighters FIGHT, boxers BOX. simple as that.
boxing is a pure sport. and yes, it takes lots of skill and discipline
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didnt think so
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Adam Corolla said it best tonight on BDSSP. When asked who was tougher, he said,"Two and a Half words, Ground N Pound. Boxers have eight counts, MMA fighters have guys continuing the fight on the ground and elbowing the temple."
Best boxer in the world would be crazy to fight the equivalent in the same weight class from MMA.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "crazy", but yes, the point is made.
Telling words, since Adam is a former boxing trainer.
I know you like the BJJ, but sometimes you go overboard with hyperbolic statements defending your style.
I don't know why everyone on this board thinks Tyson was the greatest boxer and would therefore do well in MMA. The dude was an absolute killing machine don't get me wrong, but most boxing experts don't put him anywhere near being the greatest ever. I mean ESPN had him at # 50 on their 50 greatest boxers of all time list. Again I'm not trying to say Tyson in his prime wasn't spectacular however If you asked me to name 5 boxers from the catalog of boxing history who I thought would do well in MMA, I don't think I would put him in there.
They think he's the greatest because his power allowed him to look very impressive against a weak heavyweight division.
I certainly don't think he was the greatest, and I've argued that on here before.
The same topics come up on here all the time.
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I don't know why everyone on this board thinks Tyson was the greatest boxer and would therefore do well in MMA. The dude was an absolute killing machine don't get me wrong, but most boxing experts don't put him anywhere near being the greatest ever. I mean ESPN had him at # 50 on their 50 greatest boxers of all time list. Again I'm not trying to say Tyson in his prime wasn't spectacular however If you asked me to name 5 boxers from the catalog of boxing history who I thought would do well in MMA, I don't think I would put him in there.
If Cus D'Amato didn't die and allow Don King to get his meat hooks into the boy (and he was a boy at the time) he COULDA been one of the greatest. Tyson always listened to Cus and was the only one who any real control and authority over the beast. And Cus was gold all the way. Pure gold
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I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "crazy", but yes, the point is made.
Telling words, since Adam is a former boxing trainer.
I know you like the BJJ, but sometimes you go overboard with hyperbolic statements defending your style.
They think he's the greatest because his power allowed him to look very impressive against a weak heavyweight division.
I certainly don't think he was the greatest, and I've argued that on here before.
The same topics come up on here all the time.
Tyson wasn't the greatest heavyweight.No.But in his peak years he was very hard to hit clean,had a great jab and great counterpunching and combination skills.He was a great heavyweight.
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Easy there rough rider, its the same difference as applying a kimura from BJJ-catch wrestling-Sambo ect. There is no real difference, other than what is focused on in training. Off the top of my head I recall Oleg Knee barring Mark Kerr recently, Josh Barnett finishing Pawel Nastula witha ankle lock and Yoshida with a heel hook, and Arlovski finished Big Tim with a heel hook. Arm/shoulder locks are used alot more frequently but the good catch wrestlers and Sambo guys are still effective with leg/ankle locks.
Are you a fighter ?
Mussolini knows his shit...
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Lesnar would probably take tyson even standing up
Mean right hand
I think mike at 20 would knock Brocks Block off...could be wrong.. but he was strong and fast...Lesnar wouldnt know what was comming...No combos or nothing...just one left to the chin....down goes brock
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Mussolini knows his shit...
I've done a few pro fights, lost my last one. I had pics of me getting my face smashed on here awhile back
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Anyone else ever fought MMA on here?
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Anyone else ever fought MMA on here?
are you kidding me everyone is training to be a cage fighter these days
most I've met are pretty tuff dudes too :-\
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GSP who is one of the best MMA Guys got knocked out by a bum puncher MATT SERRA imagine if that was a pro fighter like Mayweather or Paqiauo wearing five ounce gloves, he'd still be sleeping. Try using MMA ground fighting in a bar fight and you'll get booted in the head by your opponents friend in the crowd never seen a bar fight end with a leg lock.. MOST K1 guys started in boxing and got there ass kicked and now fight for peanuts. A great boxer could knock out 2or 3 guys easily in a street fight. Good luck to the MMA guy that tries that.
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Most K-1 fighters did not start as boxers.
And in fact, everytime boxers tried to compete in K-1 they got owned - badly.
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Mighty Mo had his jaw broken in his first boxing match. Ray Sefo was knocked almost into a coma in a boxing match. Lebanner suffered the same fate in boxing. Fighting no name boxers yet these guys are at or near the top in K1. Why wouldn't you try boxing first it would only make sense to fight with the potential of making a fortune. Instead of fighting for food. Maurice Smith K1 RULED UFC for some time knocking silly great wrestlers like Mark Steroid Coleman. Lebanner would destroy Smith and get murdered by Klitcko. The only boxers I've seen in K1 are washed up over 40, overweight out of shape guys like Botha who still beat Lebanner.Or Ray Mercer who probably got paid a few bucks to lose in order to try to legitimize K1. Top Boxers could get paid more signing autographs than fighting K1 why bother....St.PIERRE against Mayweather in a 10FT X10FT RING MMA rules MAYWEATHER lasts at least 1 or 2 minutes. Boxing rules 5 ounce gloves GSP Lasts no longer than 15 to 20 seconds including the 10 count. Bar fight 3on 3 MMa vs Boxing = MMA R.I.P.
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Most K-1 fighters did not start as boxers.
And in fact, everytime boxers tried to compete in K-1 they got owned - badly.
Rather debatable assumption.Sometimes even Francois Botha performed creditably in K1:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x207bo
Was Bonjasky still considered an elite K1 fighter in 2004?
Of K-1 fighters who tried to make a transition into the relatively lucrative world of boxing Ray Sefo was a notable failure.
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;D
Muay Thai fighters like Samart Payakaroon or Khaosai Galaxy did manage to make a successful transtion into boxing in their late teens/very early twenties.Smart is considered one of the very greatest ever Muay Thai fighters.
World Champion Vitali Klitschko was also an amateur kickboxer as a teen.
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Rather debatable assumption.Sometimes even Francois Botha performed creditably in K1:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x207bo
Was Bonjasky still considered an elite K1 fighter in 2004?
Of K-1 fighters who tried to make a transition into the relatively lucrative world of boxing Ray Sefo was a notable failure.
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;D
Muay Thai fighters like Samart Payakaroon or Khaosai Galaxy did manage to make a successful transtion into boxing in their late teens/very early twenties.Smart is considered one of the very greatest ever Muay Thai fighters.
World Champion Vitali Klitschko was also an amateur kickboxer as a teen.
what happened in that vid is what would happen to 99% of MMA fighters that steped into a boxing ring.
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MOST K1 guys started in boxing and got there ass kicked and now fight for peanuts. A great boxer could knock out 2or 3 guys easily in a street fight. Good luck to the MMA guy that tries that.
False, false, false...
Most K-1 guys started in Muay-Thai; Seidokaikan Karate; Kyokushin Karate; and Kickboxing.
Why don't you admit you're wrong?
Mighty Mo had his jaw broken in his first boxing match. Ray Sefo was knocked almost into a coma in a boxing match. Lebanner suffered the same fate in boxing. Fighting no name boxers yet these guys are at or near the top in K1. Why wouldn't you try boxing first it would only make sense to fight with the potential of making a fortune.
Why should a K-1 fighter expect to do well in a boxing ring when half his weapons (kicks) are taken away?
That's like saying a marine sniper would get owned in a close quarter duel with 9mm. It's a totally ridiculous argument.
Why do they fight? They fight because they enjoy it.
Rather debatable assumption.Sometimes even Francois Botha performed creditably in K1:
This isn't an assumption - it's a fact.
Boxers get owned in K-1; their proficiency with punching doesn't make up for their lack of range.
Botha performed credibly in K-1? Dude, don't you know his K-1 record is 2 wins, 6 losses? No, you didn't.
And his two wins were over injured fighters. So gimme a break.
BTW it's credibly.
Stop trying to sound intelligent when you can't even spell correctly; it makes your arguments less credible.
Ray Mercer won an Olympic gold medal in boxing, and was the WBO Heavyweight Champ, yet he couldn't hack it in K-1:
Mercer opted to travel to Japan and challenged Musashi(Seidokaikan Karate Fighter) in the kickboxing combat sport K-1 on June 6, 2004. He was knocked down in the first round and went on to lose via unanimous decision. On March 19, 2005, he had one more K-1 bout against Remy Bonjasky, to whom he lost via KO after being caught with a single high kick in the beginning of the first round.That was Bonjaskys only kick in the fight, and he didnt punch even once. As Mercer put it, "I got the shit kicked out of me".
Please refrain from making uninformed comments on shit, thanks.
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You K1 supporters are getting desperate when all you have is BOJANSKY'S win over an old punch drunk guy named RAY MERCER you referred to him as a boxer to try to prove a silly point. I would call him a senior citizen. In describing MERCERS ancient accomplishments of world champ and Olympic champ. Your feeble attempt at trying to give K1 credibility is pathetic. You conveniently forgot to mention that the BOXER RAY MERCER was 48 YEARS OLD*** thats right 48. FRANCOIS BOTHA THE OTHER 40 SOMETHING boxer that you referred to still managed to kick the ass of LEBANNER, AERTS, and if you saw the fight BOJANSKY. All young top 10 contenders in K1 who were all allowed to kick and they still lost to the old man. Send a 48 year old K1 fighter to fight a top 10 contender in boxing. Just remember to send a coffin to put him in after the fight... Get real**
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False, false, false...
Most K-1 guys started in Muay-Thai; Seidokaikan Karate; Kyokushin Karate; and Kickboxing.
Why don't you admit you're wrong?
Why should a K-1 fighter expect to do well in a boxing ring when half his weapons (kicks) are taken away?
That's like saying a marine sniper would get owned in a close quarter duel with 9mm. It's a totally ridiculous argument.
Why do they fight? They fight because they enjoy it.
This isn't an assumption - it's a fact.
Boxers get owned in K-1; their proficiency with punching doesn't make up for their lack of range.
Botha performed credibly in K-1? Dude, don't you know his K-1 record is 2 wins, 6 losses? No, you didn't.
And his two wins were over injured fighters. So gimme a break.
BTW it's credibly.
Stop trying to sound intelligent when you can't even spell correctly; it makes your arguments less credible.
Ray Mercer won an Olympic gold medal in boxing, and was the WBO Heavyweight Champ, yet he couldn't hack it in K-1:
Please refrain from making uninformed comments on shit, thanks.
I'm well aware of both fighters.
Botha performed reasonably creditably here considering he was a pretty poor K1 fighter and was up against Bonjasky(one of the best k1 fighters of all time) and was winning for the best part of the fight.Who is the boxing equivalent for Bonjasky...Wladimir Klitschko? Do you see any K-1 fighter dominating him for a few rounds of boxing.
You're seriously not suggesting that washed up and disinterested fighters like Botha and Ray Mercer (who has out of the sport of boxing for years with hepatitis B) provide a reasonably good idea about how the most formidable boxers in the last 25 years , Tyson and Lewis at their peak ,would have performed in K1? ??? (BTW I think Mercer would have done quite well in K1 before his diagnosis of hepatitis in 1998.)
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In fairness ,in the beginning of Botha's K1 career I assumed that Botha at least would have performed much better than he ultimately did.... ;D
Some of the kickboxers are excellent fighters. :)
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hmmm... this thread still going on.....
once and for all.... in 8 out of 10 times, boxers win a BOXING match while MMA fighters win a FIGHT (assuming they are both the same level in their own skills)
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You K1 supporters are getting desperate when all you have is BOJANSKY'S win over an old punch drunk guy named RAY MERCER you referred to him as a boxer to try to prove a silly point. I would call him a senior citizen. In describing MERCERS ancient accomplishments of world champ and Olympic champ. Your feeble attempt at trying to give K1 credibility is pathetic. You conveniently forgot to mention that the BOXER RAY MERCER was 48 YEARS OLD*** thats right 48. FRANCOIS BOTHA THE OTHER 40 SOMETHING boxer that you referred to still managed to kick the ass of LEBANNER, AERTS, and if you saw the fight BOJANSKY. All young top 10 contenders in K1 who were all allowed to kick and they still lost to the old man. Send a 48 year old K1 fighter to fight a top 10 contender in boxing. Just remember to send a coffin to put him in after the fight... Get real**
mid forties.... and he was thrown in with the very best k1 fighters....
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Boxing is a brutal sport with phenomenal athletes. It has stood the test of time. Boxing is one dimensional while MMA is geared toward real street fighting. Any MMA guy who would put down boxing has never spent any time punching in the ring. Tapping is easy compared to getting hit 35 times in the face per round.
I would answer it like this. The top boxers would embarrass every MMA champ in every weight category in the boxing ring. Every MMA champ would embarrass most boxing champs in the octagon.
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Boxing is a brutal sport with phenomenal athletes. It has stood the test of time. Boxing is one dimensional while MMA is geared toward real street fighting. Any MMA guy who would put down boxing has never spent any time punching in the ring. Tapping is easy compared to getting hit 35 times in the face per round.
I would answer it like this. The top boxers would embarrass every MMA champ in every weight category in the boxing ring. Every MMA champ would embarrass most boxing champs in the octagon.
I like this post. It's true that in the submission aspect of the game a person can take as much or as little punishment as he chooses. He can tap as soon as his arm gets caught or be a tough guy and get it broken. In striking you can't have your opponent pull his punches. Boxing deals only with striking so it takes it's toll and it doesn't seem like the ref intervenes when a guy is getting railed as quickly as they do in MMA. They seem to leave it to the corner to throw in the towel or wait until the guy drops. Since MMA allows you to keep attacking even when the opponent is down the refs have to be more proactive and are trained to do so. In that sense MMA fighter don't have to endure as much punishment. Also, MMA is still new and they want to be far more cautious that fighters don't get seriously injured and taint the sport.
And you have to compare apples to apples. Just like how absurd it is to compare bodybuilders to fighters. At least there's some relation between boxers and MMA fighters but absolutely none in regard to bodybuilders. Fedor would look ridiculous in a thong, oiled down and posing next to Dex just as much as Dex would look ridiculous trying to trade blows with Fedor in the cage or ring.
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Boxer Vs wrestler in an MMA contest? It depends a lot ,of course on who the boxer and who the wrestler is. Between two competent practitioners of their respective discipline,though, a wrestler will usually win.
I think that's common sense and was the opinion of most knowledgeable people,even before MMA started.