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Which one is better?
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Marmier.
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cortez
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Cormier. Next question, please.
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cormier
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CHRIS BETTER WHEELS,MARTINEZ THICKER BACK,CORMIER BETTER CONDITIONED AND CONSISTENT WINNER AND MRO PLACER.EDGE CHRIS.
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Chris was probably at his all time best at the 1999 Olympia, while Victor's best was the 2007 Olympia. Who takes this shot?
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Chris was probably at his all time best at the 1999 Olympia, while Victor's best was the 2007 Olympia. Who takes this shot?
this particular, cormier.
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this particular, cormier.
Why?
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Why?
DRIER OVERALL LOOK,
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DRIER OVERALL LOOK,
I care to differ. Martinez is killing Cormier in the ham/glute area here...and the back double is pretty damn close.
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Ab & Thigh.
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Cormier had better condition, sharpness that Vic usually doesn't quite nail. Vic has the better aesthetics, lines and balance. I take Vic on that basis.
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Most muscular.
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I care to differ. Martinez is killing Cormier in the ham/glute area here...and the back double is pretty damn close.
GLUTE NO COMMENT ,CHRIS IS OR AS CLOSE SEPERATION WISE IN THE HAMS,ITS CLOSE AS U SAW IT.BUT CHRIS REMEMBER DID IT FOR 10 OR SO YRS STRAIGHT.
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LAST 2 PICS MOST MUSCULAR FORGET IT CHRIS ALL THE WAY,BUT THE POSITION OF THE SHOT AND LIGHTING IS IN CHRIS'S FAVOR PROBABLY FROM ONE OF THE IRONMANS HE WON.
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I think that Vic has an ever so slight edge on Chris overall. However, I also feel that Chris could have won the Arnold multiple times and probably the Olympia once or twice if he would have kept focus. Chris and Vic don't lack for anything.
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I think that Vic has an ever so slight edge on Chris overall. However, I also feel that Chris could have won the Arnold multiple times and probably the Olympia once or twice if he would have kept focus. Chris and Vic don't lack for anything.
Actually they both fall short in some ways. Cormier never had the superstar quality, no great areas nor were his aesthetics as good as someone like Vic. Vic rarely is as sharp as someone with greater motivation would be.
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Actually they both fall short in some ways. Cormier never had the superstar quality, no great areas nor were his aesthetics as good as someone like Vic. Vic rarely is as sharp as someone with greater motivation would be.
What makes you think Vic is not motivated? Details, my friend, details.
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If he'd have shown up at the Olympia with real leaness instead of slightly lacking, he'd have probably won. He rarely does have that added sharpness that would leave him close to unbeatable. Just about everthing else is there. Weider likes that extra polish in winners, which makes sense.
That last comparison with Cormier is flawed because of the angle and different proximity to the camera. Cormier has no superstar quality, standout parts or the flow of guys with great aesthetics, such as Vic.
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Chris hands down. Vic's a walking oil can.
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Chris hands down. Vic's a walking oil can.
As far as the arms are concerned, yes. Chris has never shown any indication of oil use. You seem him around Venice recently, tommy?
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Why?
Its pretty obvious, check chris back thickness.
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Cormier all day everyday.
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I like Cormier better but I think Vic would have the slight edge in competition
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These two have faced off a few times, with Chris placing better at the 2004 Olympia shown below.
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I think that Vic has an ever so slight edge on Chris overall. However, I also feel that Chris could have won the Arnold multiple times and probably the Olympia once or twice if he would have kept focus. Chris and Vic don't lack for anything.
well...we'll find out in the next 2-3 yrs because he'll have to take it to another level with phil's O trophies almost in the bank.
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These two have faced off a few times, with Chris placing better at the 2004 Olympia shown below.
chris' BS kept him from the O...just a better package than vic.
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You can see there quite clearly that Vic had an advantage in arms and delts, while Cormier was leaner. Cormier's arms like the rest of him were nothin exciting.
As far as their relative placings take that with a grain of salt, the contests are rife with politics and an old hand and favorite would naturally get a higher placing.
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well...we'll find out in the next 2-3 yrs because he'll have to take it to another level with phil's O trophies almost in the bank.
I don't think anybody in the public really has much of an idea of what Vic will look like come the Arnold in early March. There are no videos or pics of Vic circulating around the net. That said, it looks as if he has recovered from the leg injury. I think he will take the Arnold with a good showing. Kai? Please!
Problem is, Vic has to prove himself all over again since he has been out of competition for a full year a half. He will go into the Olympia and compete against a well-rested Phil Heath.
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Chris doesn't get enough credit as a hardcore bodybuilder. The guy may have had a partying lifestyle and screwed up on his diet/contest-prep...but he did not train like a pussy! Few bodybuilders trained as heavy as Chris.
7 days out of the 2004 O, he's doing hacks with 8 plates a side and the leg press machine maxed out on plates! Dude was an animal. If he could have kept the extracurriculars under control, he would have taken the Arnold a few times and maybe an Olympia or two. Bottom line is that Chris liked to party and have fun...nothing wrong with that.
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Most all the time there were a couple of guys better than Cormier, the hype on him was tremendous. I don't believe for a minute that he didn't reach his potential, he just wasn't good enough to be great in relation to others.
Vic has greater potential, the big thing is the determination to get really lean, something he hasn't done much of yet.
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not even close, cormier
probably the most underrated pro of the last 20 years
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well...we'll find out in the next 2-3 yrs because he'll have to take it to another level with phil's O trophies almost in the bank.
Phil looks great compared with smaller bodybuilders and when he is standing alone, but he will have trouble when matched up with the wider bodybuilders like Victor. Let's face it, the Olympia lineup this year was weak with an out-of-shape Jay Cutler and no Vic or Kai. Dennis also missed his peak pretty badly. Phil will have a tougher road this year.
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Most all the time there were a couple of guys better than Cormier, the hype on him was tremendous. I don't believe for a minute that he didn't reach his potential, he just wasn't good enough to be great in relation to others.
Vic has greater potential, the big thing is the determination to get really lean, something he hasn't done much of yet.
I don't get it when you guys say Vic hasn't been in good shape very often. The dude brings shredded glutes and hams to every contest. Is this not "getting lean"?
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close, but i got to go with chris
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cormier uncrowned Mr. Olympia
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Vicchris Cortinez.
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Coca Cola or Pepsi?
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cormier better waist abs and no gut
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Cormier
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Vic.
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not even close, cormier
probably the most underrated pro of the last 20 years
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I think Vic will go down as the more successful bodybuilder. Chris had the whole package, but he was facing tougher lineups back during the mid-90s into the early 2000s. Vic is wiping up guys nowhere close to Flex, Paul, Ronnie, Dorian, Shawn, Nasser, etc. Chris had to face the best of the best.
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chris' BS kept him from the O...just a better package than vic.
Chris had some opportunities to take it:
- He got "sick" during an appearance down in Mexico a few weeks before the 2000 Olympia and had withdraw, Ronnie looked good but many people thought Kevin Levrone (2nd) could have taken the show.
- Chris showed up in less-than-stellar condition at the 2002 Olympia and placed 3rd behind Kevin Levrone (who had small legs) and Ronnie (who was flat as a pancake). I think this is where Chris really missed a great opportunity to take the title.
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Chris was money at the 1999 Olympia and could have placed 2nd, ahead of Flex.
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Chris hands down. Vic's a walking oil can.
Agreed.
I also think Cormier is more aesthetic and balanced. Vic looks like he shit his pants in some poses, like he's wearing a diaper... can't explain it better... the legs look short in some poses, like the back db. :D
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Cormier , for those who don't have a clue about bb, is the most complete and symetric bb of the 90's. Vic is oil filled, awkward, shitty when opens uo, long torso short legs, and it can go on and on. Chris wins by a country mile
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Cormier , for those who don't have a clue about bb, is the most complete and symetric bb of the 90's. Vic is oil filled, awkward, shitty when opens uo, long torso short legs, and it can go on and on. Chris wins by a country mile
I think Shawn Ray and Chris were the most complete guys in the 90s, with Chris having an edge in height (which does matter). Chris wasn't missing anything...he had the entire package.
Chris looked incredible at the 2001 Ironman.
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Actually they both fall short in some ways. Cormier never had the superstar quality, no great areas nor were his aesthetics as good as someone like Vic. Vic rarely is as sharp as someone with greater motivation would be.
Cormier had the type of physique where you could visually keep adding muscle to him. He could have easily carried 270 pounds on him and look like a beast. Whereas Vic, has maxed out. He's already got the gut.
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Chris Cormier
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Chris%20Cormier/ChrisCormier9.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Chris%20Cormier/ChrisCormier12.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Chris%20Cormier/ChrisCormier78.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Chris%20Cormier/ChrisCormier79.jpg)
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Cormier had the type of physique where you could visually keep adding muscle to him. He could have easily carried 270 pounds on him and look like a beast. Whereas Vic, has maxed out. He's already got the gut.
Vic does appear to be maxed out. Vic was also 5'9', whereas Chris is 5'11". Chris also trained much heavier than Vic. I haven't seen any footage of Vic using the crazy weights Chris used. 8 plates on hacks a week out from the Olympia? Who does that besides Chris?
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Vic does appear to be maxed out. Vic was also 5'9', whereas Chris is 5'11". Chris also trained much heavier than Vic. I haven't seen any footage of Vic using the crazy weights Chris used. 8 plates on hacks a week out from the Olympia? Who does that besides Chris?
Chris needed back thickness, but I believe that due to his injury he could n't train that way.
And another thing that Chirs will go down in history for. being a 6 time runner up in the Arnold Classic
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Cormier had the type of physique where you could visually keep adding muscle to him. He could have easily carried 270 pounds on him and look like a beast. Whereas Vic, has maxed out. He's already got the gut.
All speculation, wishful thinking.
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All speculation, wishful thinking.
It would never happen. But look at his physique, you said yourself, it looks nothing special. that's because nothing jumps out at you. You can keep adding weight to him (Like the guys in Weird Science with the breast thing) like slap some more on his arms, his legs, back, chest. And your looking at prolly 275 @ about 5'11.
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You can keep adding weight to him (Like the guys in Weird Science with the breast thing) like slap some more on his arms, his legs, back, chest. And your looking at prolly 275 @ about 5'11.
What's the point of the exercise, given that you're speculating and could do the same with alot of guys?
Some of those pics here looked morphed-he never had great size, nor great shape-Vic has him on aesthetics, muscle tie-ins and flow. He had average tris and so-so arms (unbalanced upper arms, minimal forearms), small calves and so-so lats, which isn't supposed to happen to someone known for overall balance. Most of the time including that video i don't see great muscle refinement either.
As far as "unrealized potential", that would apply to several guys who i think had better genetics and were also known as underwhelming in the gym, like Dillet and Wheeler.
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These two have faced off a few times, with Chris placing better at the 2004 Olympia shown below.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260895.0;attach=301978;image)
IMO Martinez wins that shot cos he's a lot sharper. Also he has a ripped ass like Cormier's never had so I don't understand people saying Chris had better conditioning.
Martinez wins the suspect biceps and calves award though, so I consider Cormier a greater BB at this point. His waist is never anything but flat either. Martinez looks bigger now maybe, but I can't believe those bis are real, and the calves def aren't. Plus Cormier's old hams were awesome!
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Are these biceps full of oil? Hmmm..........
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Oil in the bis?
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Honestly, Vic's biceps actually throw off the rest of his physique with the OIL.
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8) 8) 8)
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Most muscular.
CC all the way he's probably one of the top 20 bodybuilders of all time.
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CC all the way he's probably one of the top 20 bodybuilders of all time.
He is easily in the top 20, maybe in the top 10.
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Honestly, Vic's biceps actually throw off the rest of his physique with the OIL.
the oil in his calves look bad too.
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the oil in his calves look bad too.
Here's Vic without the oil. I don't know why guys go the oil route...it never makes a physique look better.
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Chris was probably at his all time best at the 1999 Olympia, while Victor's best was the 2007 Olympia. Who takes this shot?
chris.. his back ws drier and more detailed..
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chris.. his back ws drier and more detailed..
In some shots...Not all...
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He is easily in the top 20, maybe in the top 10.
::) Everyone talks about "unrealized potential", clearly implying that something was lacking, while at the same time trying to bump him up to one of the best all-time lol.
Cormier comes in at a solid 37th place all-time. He is absolutely bereft of greatness using any criteria, is not even the most aesthetic of his era. The ultimate jack of all trades, master of none.
The comments about oil are in most cases backhanded complements. Vic has the greater potential, lacks less if he gets it together. Don't know if he will though.
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In some shots...Not all...
ys i am talking abt back shots only here and when bth of them were at their best..
still as a whole thing i see chris as a better bb coz of his thickness..
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How old is Cormier now? 42 or so. I wonder if he got really serious for one solid year whether he could still return to near top form.
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ys i am talking abt back shots only here and when bth of them were at their best..
still as a whole thing i see chris as a better bb coz of his thickness..
If both were in their prime? Cormier all the way...I don't know ? But as of lately ..Victors physique is looking a little rough to me .?
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Vic. Cormier only looked that great ONCE! More often than not, he was not in stellar shape.
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Which one is better?
VICTOR (at his best) smashes Cormier. But Cormier gets respect because he was almost always on his game. Victor has bad days more often than Chris did. Victor will win the O and Chris never could.
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yes
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VICTOR (at his best) smashes Cormier.
Cormier (at his best) smashes Victor.
see what I did thar? Words are meaningless without evidence to back it up.
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both better than Dexter
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Who wins this shot?
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Who wins this shot?
vic. hands and legs and ass down.. is this even a question??!!
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vic. hands and legs and ass down.. is this even a question??!!
Funny you should say that cos it's in the quads/calves that Jaw is definitely better. His upper body is bigger too, and abs even sharper. Vic calves are very suspect too. Tough one, Jay is noticeably huger, with better legs. Less sharp around the dets/arms/chest though so it's a tough one. I wouldn't coplain if the wider man won that one. Jay is a lot wider. It's just that big blurry water-retention back that screws it up for Jay.
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Funny you should say that cos it's in the quads/calves that Jaw is definitely better. His upper body is bigger too, and abs even sharper. Vic calves are very suspect too. Tough one, Jay is noticeably huger, with better legs. Less sharp around the dets/arms/chest though so it's a tough one. I wouldn't coplain if the wider man won that one. Jay is a lot wider. It's just that big blurry water-retention back that screws it up for Jay.
jay at his best beats vic. but not that day NOOO..
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jay at his best beats vic. but not that day NOOO..
Are you talking about that shot? Or just recycling what what some people in MD, or on this board, write?
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Victor was much better than Jay at the 2007 Olympia and should have been crowned Mr. Olympia.
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Victor was much better than Jay at the 2007 Olympia and should have been crowned Mr. Olympia.
vic looked awesome in 07 but his calves looked suspicious and i think this in itself should have knocked him down a few points, dennis wolf should have won in 07.
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Are you talking about that shot? Or just recycling what what some people in MD, or on this board, write?
both dex. and vic. were better thn jay in everything on tht day (mr. o. 07).. jay looked very bad and didnt deserve 2 b even 2nd..
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Victor has more Synthol in his calves in those pics, than Nasser & Coleman combined.
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Victor has more Synthol in his calves in those pics, than Nasser & Coleman combined.
ys as most of the black guys his calves are high and not naturally full.. the only black guy i remember with very good calves is paul dillett..
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ys as most of the black guys his calves are high and not naturally full.. the only black guy i remember with very good calves is paul dillett..
Shawn Ray too
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Shawn Ray too
noooo.. shawn's calves r not bad but can't b considered "very good".. they r considerably high..