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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Fatpanda on February 05, 2009, 12:58:47 AM
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surely one of, if not the best natural around right now
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another from his class win in 08
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8)
surely one of, if not the best natural around right now
discuss
define "netural"...
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No way he's natural in that shot, what a crcok of shit, looks good though.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262249.0;attach=303129;image)
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No way he's natural in that shot, what a crcok of shit, looks good though.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262249.0;attach=303129;image)
that my friend is the product of good nutrition, good training, and hard work.
no drugs
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As natural as circumsized penis.
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I saw his training video squatting 365 for 4 or something. What a beast. ;D
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I saw his training video squatting 365 for 4 or something. What a beast. ;D
Thats prety good considering most getbiggers cant even squat 2 plates.
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I saw his training video squatting 365 for 4 or something. What a beast. ;D
why don't you post a video showing him how much stronger you are ::)
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I can believe that hes natural, very attainable with 5 years of doing everything right.
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lol, natural.....good one.
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lol, natural.....good one.
why is getbig's standard of what's natural or not so low. You guys are pathetic somtimes seriously, if you think this is unnatainable you should stop training now because your never going to fucking get anywhere.
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as natural as a camel toe in 16th century.
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why is getbig's standard of what's natural or not so low. You guys are pathetic somtimes seriously, if you think this is unnatainable you should stop training now because your never going to fucking get anywhere.
Talk about being naive.....have you seen the conditioning this guy comes in with.....he's more ripped than most the guys on the Olympia stage.
Just because he isn't 250lbs doesn't mean he's natural..... ::)
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I believe he's natural. He's extremely methodical, and is very strict with his diet year round, never cheating.
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Talk about being naive.....have you seen the conditioning this guy comes in with.....he's more ripped than most the guys on the Olympia stage.
Just because he isn't 250lbs doesn't mean he's natural..... ::)
he dosen't have one striated muscle in the pictures above.
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he dosen't have one striated muscle in the pictures above.
He is still VERY lean.
There is a pic of him comparing tris with another guy.....no natural gets that lean.
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He is still VERY lean.
There is a pic of him comparing tris with another guy.....no natural gets that lean.
you can, and he does.
if you diet correctly ( as he does), workout correctly (as he does), use correct nutrient timing ( as he does) its very achievable.
and he's not 205 he competes around 175 - although he's looking bigger now 8)
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you can, and he does.
if you diet correctly ( as he does), workout correctly (as he does), use correct nutrient timing ( as he does) its very achievable.
and he's not 205 he competes around 175 - although he's looking bigger now 8)
ok.....so show me another natural with striated tris and glutes.....if it's "very achievable" then why do no naturals have his conditioning?
And believe it or not, other natural bodybuilders know how to train and diet yet are nowhere near as ripped.....but i guess they just don't train/diet as hard, right? ::)
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He is still VERY lean.
There is a pic of him comparing tris with another guy.....no natural gets that lean.
There's plenty of naturals that have insane conditioning... the only difference is they're shredded at 165-185 instead of 225-265. There's a kid i saw on bb.com with striated triceps and glutes, he weighs 155 at 5'6 or 5'7...
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Naturals can get as lean as users imo, but much smaller, and also as dry/dryer because they don't have to worry about drug bloat.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101414.0;attach=158092;image)
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Naturals can get as lean as users imo, but much smaller, and also as dry/dryer because they don't have to worry about drug bloat.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101414.0;attach=158092;image)
I agree. From the top naturals i've seen(true naturals), they can get super shredded and it creates an illusion of them looking wayyyyyyyy bigger than what the scale says. Of course they won't be nearly as big as someone on AAS, but they'll most likely be in just as good if not better condition.
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ok.....so show me another natural with striated tris and glutes.....if it's "very achievable" then why do no naturals have his conditioning?
And believe it or not, other natural bodybuilders know how to train and diet yet are nowhere near as ripped.....but i guess they just don't train/diet as hard, right? ::)
see get roudy's post for more examples ;D
others may train and diet just as hard - but that doesn't mean they are using the correct training or dieting for naturals ;)
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I agree. From the top naturals i've seen(true naturals), they can get super shredded and it creates an illusion of them looking wayyyyyyyy bigger than what the scale says. Of course they won't be nearly as big as someone on AAS, but they'll most likely be in just as good if not better condition.
Yeah I remember seeing an interview with jrod, and he said in normal clothes he hardly looked like he trains, and that backstage "security" tried to stop him going backstage 'cause they didn't think he was a competitor haha.
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you can, and he does.
if you diet correctly ( as he does), workout correctly (as he does), use correct nutrient timing ( as he does) its very achievable.
and he's not 205 he competes around 175 - although he's looking bigger now 8)
very achievable is a load of bullshit, if he is natural he's right at the end of the spectrum for what's achievable naturally.
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incredible physique, this guy deserves mad props
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very achievable is a load of bullshit, if he is natural he's right at the end of the spectrum for what's achievable naturally.
If you think that you will never attain a physique like that, why do you even workout?
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Yeah I remember seeing an interview with jrod, and he said in normal clothes he hardly looked like he trains, and that backstage "security" tried to stop him going backstage 'cause they didn't think he was a competitor haha.
There are pros that are like that to..Lee labrada for one..the shorter pros if in full street trim you wouldnt even know they trained..
And hes not natural , FP is just playing with ya he knows he is not natural. :D
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I thought Getbig was wiser than this..... :-\
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I thought Getbig was wiser than this..... :-\
Kyoshi Moody = Not Natural
JRod = Natural
Look at them and you will see the diffrence.
I am wise but i don't set my goals as low as you do, based on the progress i have made so far in only 2 years serious training i think a physique like "Jrod" is very attainable naturally. Shit webke do you even lift weights?
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Yes he does look quite big in the first picture but his true size is revealed in the contest photos.
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Naturals can get as lean as users imo, but much smaller, and also as dry/dryer because they don't have to worry about drug bloat.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101414.0;attach=158092;image)
wake up ...this guy is hormonized to the max as well as the guy in the bedroom ..these 2 would not be over 155 lbs dry and peeled as natties not to mention they would be flat as hell
when ya'll gonna learn ?????? :-\
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p.s Whoever said it's easier for naturals to get in good condition is full of shit. We lose a ton of muscle when dieting and Water isn't a fucking issue for pros thanks to direutics. Ronnie Coleman could put tons of barbeque sause on his food right up to the olympia and flex wheeler even eat burgers and fries...
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wake up ...this guy is hormonized to the max as well as the guy in the bedroom ..these 2 would not be over 155 lbs dry and peeled as natties not to mention they would be flat as hell
when ya'll gonna learn ?????? :-\
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha
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Kyoshi Moody = Not Natural
JRod = Natural
Look at them and you will see the diffrence.
I am wise but i don't set my goals as low as you do, based on the progress i have made so far in only 2 years serious training i think a physique like "Jrod" is very attainable naturally. Shit webke do you even lift weights?
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Yes he does look quite big in the first picture but his true size is revealed in the contest photos.
Is this natural?
(http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens1894812module9073018photo_1207934636frank_zane.jpg)
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Your boy has him beat on legs.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262249.0;attach=303130;image)
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p.s Whoever said it's easier for naturals to get in good condition is full of shit. We lose a ton of muscle when dieting and Water isn't a fucking issue for pros thanks to direutics. Ronnie Coleman could put tons of barbeque sause on his food right up to the olympia and flex wheeler even eat burgers and fries...
very true ..anyone who ever tried dieting down clean as I have will tell you
1. you become very very small
2. you cannot get under 6% with just diet
3. your muscles feel flat look flat and SMALL
4. you cannot get the water under the skin cause there are no diuretics
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You have to understand he is very GOOD with different angles.
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p.s Whoever said it's easier for naturals to get in good condition is full of shit. We lose a ton of muscle when dieting and Water isn't a fucking issue for pros thanks to direutics. Ronnie Coleman could put tons of barbeque sause on his food right up to the olympia and flex wheeler even eat burgers and fries...
Those two guys are in the genetic elite..different ball game,
A natural once you get to 8% give or take will turn to shit , flatten out and look skinny , not full hard and lean like thse guys..its impossible for the body to keep on burning fat whilst maintaining muscle..those guys are on "support" I hate to burst your bubble mate but that is reality.
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Those two guys are in the genetic elite..different ball game,
A natural once you get to 8% give or take will turn to shit , flatten out and look skinny , not full hard and lean like thse guys..its impossible for the body to keep on burning fat whilst maintaining muscle..those guys are on "support" I hate to burst your bubble mate but that is reality.
So natural=70s drugs protocols ? ???
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Is this natural?
(http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens1894812module9073018photo_1207934636frank_zane.jpg)
zane wasn't natural but has been known to do tons of volume + cardio and basically eat nothing but protein for extended periods during his diet - a sure fire recipe for disaster.
jrod uses low reps heavy weight ( very efficient at providing maximum protein synthesis and minimum cortisol release). he also uses proper pre/during/post workout nutrition, and eats a high protein diet with plenty of carbs.
he is basically doing everything right.
don't hate - appreciate 8)
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So natural=70s drugs protocols ? ???
No,you now have clen,t3,peptides,gh and a vast array of other stuff to add plus fast acting aas.
Those guys are not natural.
And zane was one of the first to introduce thyroid hormones into his"diet" stack
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Is this natural?
(http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/draft_lens1894812module9073018photo_1207934636frank_zane.jpg)
No, and that's a bad shot of zane, he looks much bigger in other pictures.
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zane wasn't natural but has been known to do tons of volume + cardio and basically eat nothing but protein for extended periods during his diet - a sure fire recipe for disaster.
jrod uses low reps heavy weight ( very efficient at providing maximum protein synthesis and minimum cortisol release). he also uses proper pre/during/post workout nutrition, and eats a high protein diet with plenty of carbs.
he is basically doing everything right.
don't hate - appreciate 8)
The combination of mass and proportion at low bodyfat throws me.
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P.s guys, why would you want to boost these guys ego by saying their on drugs etc. if you keep telling them you can't get a physqiue like that naturally it will boost their ego through the roof wether their on drugs or not they will take it as a huge compliment..
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Don't you think jrod would have much more vascularity and striations, in his upper body especially, if were using? - something McFarland mentioned awhile back. I've never seen a juicer in contest shape with so little vascularity.
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No, and that's a bad shot of zane, he looks much bigger in other pictures.
What are the signs of AAS?
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The combination of mass and proportion at low bodyfat throws me.
Zane is one of the bodybuilders who used drugs for 12 weeks up to the contest and stayed off otherwise i think..
The signs of AAS... full round delts and alot thicker abs are what initially stand out to me usually.
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Zane is one of the bodybuilders who used drugs for 12 weeks up to the contest and stayed off otherwise i think..
Be honest.You have no clue what Zane was taking and for how long. ;D
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Zane is one of the bodybuilders who used drugs for 12 weeks up to the contest and stayed off otherwise i think..
The signs of AAS... full round delts and alot thicker abs are what initially stand out to me usually.
huge upper traps too. jrod doesn't have them.
vascularity, especially at that conditioning level - he doesn't have that either.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262249.0;attach=303130;image)
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/recent/FerrignoLou_1.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262249.0;attach=303130;image)
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/recent/FerrignoLou_1.jpg)
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they are standing alone in the pics, in person lou outweighs him by 100lbs and is almost a foot taller.
check out jrods videos, he's not huge and i believe he is not on gear.
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Be honest.You have no clue what Zane was taking and for how long. ;D
neither do you fucktard, i was just guessing
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they are standing alone in the pics, in person lou outweighs him by 100lbs and is almost a foot taller.
check out jrods videos, he's not huge and i believe he is not on gear.
Spot on, seeing them alone in photos is impossible to compare.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262249.0;attach=303130;image)
(http://www.musclememory.com/images/recent/FerrignoLou_1.jpg)
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Lou is fucking dwarfing him, you can see Jrod's clavicles for christs sake and his arms look about 17 inches maximum.
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they are standing alone in the pics, in person lou outweighs him by 100lbs and is almost a foot taller.
check out jrods videos, he's not huge and i believe he is not on gear.
During competition, the 6 ft 5 in[5] (195 cm) Ferrigno's contest weight was 285lb (130kg) in 1975.JRod is about 5' 9" and 235 lbs at 13 % and 220 lbs at 7 % bodyfat.That's 65 pounds and 8 inches difference.Even allowing for height difference JRod seems to be carryong a lot of mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Ferrigno
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/J-Rod/
Checked them his pics on myspace.On some he looks clean and his physqiue seems achievable for a batty.I still think he might have been using gear to keep mass while he was cutting down before the contest.Oh well.... :-\
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Never heard of this guy, don't care who he is and he isn't natural. That is all, dismissed.
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Never heard of this guy, don't care who he is and he isn't natural. That is all, dismissed.
Thanks, I gotta get home.
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neither do you fucktard, i was just guessing
Just kidding mate. Of course you know! :D
I'm just gobsmacked that these naturals seem as good as top bodybuilders of yesterday,without taking any AAS.
(http://musclememory.com/magCovers/md/md0612.jpg)
Guess there must have been something wrong with Franco's genetics,training or diet.
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Thanks, I gotta get home.
no problem. Sometimes you just gotta cut thru all the BS on here.
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Where's the problem, i think jrod is on muscletech!
Just kidding mate. Of course you know! :D
I'm just gobsmacked that these naturals seem as good as top bodybuilders of yesterday,without taking any AAS.
Guess there must have been something wrong with Franco's genetics,training or diet.
muscletech.
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Just kidding mate. Of course you know! :D
I'm just gobsmacked that these naturals seem as good as top bodybuilders of yesterday,without taking any AAS.
(http://musclememory.com/magCovers/md/md0612.jpg)
Guess there must have been something wrong with Franco's genetics,training or diet.
Franco's regime was top notch with all the anavar he abused ....
however : J rod 's genetics are from Niburu thus making him vastly superior .... he stays away from AAS for fear of turning into somethink like the Hulk :o
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OK THEN, post pictures of what you think is a very good "Natural" physique.
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OK THEN, post pictures of what you think is a very good "Natural" physique.
Here's what Sebastian thinks is attainable naturally:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_K44VqhNa9KA/SLcWLoDJVkI/AAAAAAAAAQo/Xzr7SOtGARM/S660/jimmy_somerville.jpg)
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And here's what one should look like after a few cycles...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162166.0;attach=186013;image)
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And here's what one should look like after a few cycles...
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=162166.0;attach=186013;image)
;D
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Please,more shot of guys in their tighty whities in their bedrooms...
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He's natural.
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/Feb203rd20200920-20MM-20offseason20.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/Feb203rd20200920-20SC-20offseason20.jpg)
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Here's what Sebastian thinks is attainable naturally:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_K44VqhNa9KA/SLcWLoDJVkI/AAAAAAAAAQo/Xzr7SOtGARM/S660/jimmy_somerville.jpg)
Loooking hard as a cock there.
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Another liar
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P.s guys, why would you want to boost these guys ego by saying their on drugs etc. if you keep telling them you can't get a physqiue like that naturally it will boost their ego through the roof wether their on drugs or not they will take it as a huge compliment..
Too true......
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OK THEN, post pictures of what you think is a very good "Natural" physique.
'Probably' natural.. ;D
(http://www.t-nation.com/forum_images/5/e/5e403-ot.jpg)
(http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/images2/rollon.jpg)
(http://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/stanislaus-zbyszko.jpg)
No one can be positively sure.You have to remember JRod has the benefit of creatine and protein powders.His physique does make you wonder as to what he would define as natural.
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He's natural.
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/Feb203rd20200920-20MM-20offseason20.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/Feb203rd20200920-20SC-20offseason20.jpg)
In these shots...yes..looks totally attainable the "natural" way...
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'Probably' natural.. ;D
(http://www.functionalhandstrength.com/images2/rollon.jpg)
all red wine and cocaine....
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'Probably' natural.. ;D
New criteria for being natural.
-You must have been born in the 1930's or earlier.
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New criteria for being natural.
-You must have been born in the 1930's or earlier.
;)
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I think JRod carries great mass on his legs for such a low bodyfat.
Is taking clenbuterol considered natural? :-\
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During competition, the 6 ft 5 in[5] (195 cm) Ferrigno's contest weight was 285lb (130kg) in 1975.JRod is about 5' 9" and 235 lbs at 13 % and 220 lbs at 7 % bodyfat.That's 65 pounds and 8 inches difference.Even allowing for height difference JRod seems to be carryong a lot of mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Ferrigno
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/J-Rod/
Checked them his pics on myspace.On some he looks clean and his physqiue seems achievable for a batty.I still think he might have been using gear to keep mass while he was cutting down before the contest.Oh well.... :-\
ffs - that is the wrong jrod ::)
the one i posted have never been 235lbs, he gets up to 205 at his heaviest.
check out the other pics by mazrim - he is clearly natural, just a very methodical, hard working natural.
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Looks like he could be natural. Some of the angles just make him look bigger than he is.
Guarantee he pulls more pussy than 99% of gear users.
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He also hasn't gotten a whole lot bigger since his very first show either as he consistently weighs about 175 ish. He def. has made improvements though.
First show:
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/May20200520-20Jeff20Rodriguez20Chic.jpg)
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He also hasn't gotten a whole lot bigger since his very first show either as he consistently weighs about 175 ish. He def. has made improvements though.
First show:
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/May20200520-20Jeff20Rodriguez20Chic.jpg)
yip, damn impressive physique.
i'm hard on many that claim natural on this site, however i really think jrod is.
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No way he's natural in that shot, what a crcok of shit, looks good though.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=262249.0;attach=303129;image)
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(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/May20200520-20Jeff20Rodriguez20Chic.jpg)
But naturally achievable physique here.....;D
I stand corrected about his weight ,Fatpanda. :(
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surely one of, if not the best natural around right now
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Woah! Very impressive Jeff. Putting me to shame as usual. I hope you can keep a good bit of that mass when you diet down. Jeff is always very full in the offseason.
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very true ..anyone who ever tried dieting down clean as I have will tell you
1. you become very very small
2. you cannot get under 6% with just diet
3. your muscles feel flat look flat and SMALL
4. you cannot get the water under the skin cause there are no diuretics
You are wrong about the water. It is actually easier to lose the water IMO dieting down without diuretics. Diuretics just makes your flat. Water isn't selectively pulled out sub q. It is pulled out everywhere including muscle.
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He's a natural lying piece a shit.
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He's a natural lying piece a shit.
;D
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perfect physique for both bodybuilding and pulling pussys all around the world
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damn. best natty for sure. he should compete against Layne sometime.
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perfect physique for both bodybuilding and pulling pussys all around the world
He always manages to stay really lean. I am almost as heavy as his competition weight but i am no where near that big. I guess because he loses quite a few pounds in the final weeks of dieting.
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He always manages to stay really lean. I am almost as heavy as his competition weight but i am no where near that big. I guess because he loses quite a few pounds in the final weeks of dieting.
do you have ripped glutes? ;D
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do you have ripped glutes? ;D
Not like his
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He always manages to stay really lean. I am almost as heavy as his competition weight but i am no where near that big. I guess because he loses quite a few pounds in the final weeks of dieting.
Yop Jrod should say fuck off to the natty statue and use some orals the last 4 weeks 8)
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damn. best natty for sure. he should compete against Layne sometime.
(http://www.theocbwebsite.com/OCBChamps/LayneNorton1.jpg)(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/laynenorton/Layne%20Hand%20on%20Hips%20Most%20muscular.jpg)
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damn. best natty for sure. he should compete against Layne sometime.
You mean the other "natural" liar guy?
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I saw his training video squatting 365 for 4 or something. What a beast. ;D
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that my friend is the product of good nutrition, good training, and hard work.
no drugs
Are you with him 24 by 7? Then you really don't know if he is All "Natural" OR All "drugs"
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During competition, the 6 ft 5 in[5] (195 cm) Ferrigno's contest weight was 285lb (130kg) in 1975.JRod is about 5' 9" and 235 lbs at 13 % and 220 lbs at 7 % bodyfat.That's 65 pounds and 8 inches difference.Even allowing for height difference JRod seems to be carryong a lot of mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Ferrigno
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/J-Rod/
Checked them his pics on myspace.On some he looks clean and his physqiue seems achievable for a batty.I still think he might have been using gear to keep mass while he was cutting down before the contest.Oh well.... :-\
HAHAHAHA you are fuckin kidding, right?
dude is 175.5 lbs as a middleweight but is 220 lbs @ 7% ;D
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/browse/index.php?mode=browse&id=8798&eventcode=1285
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He also hasn't gotten a whole lot bigger since his very first show either as he consistently weighs about 175 ish. He def. has made improvements though.
First show:
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/May20200520-20Jeff20Rodriguez20Chic.jpg)
This picture unfortunately really does sum up bodybuilding. You train like a Nazi, spend tons of bread & time on your effort, and in the end, even if you win, you just end up standing on the loading dock, by the dumpster, all by yourself.
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HAHAHAHA you are fuckin kidding, right?
dude is 175.5 lbs as a middleweight but is 220 lbs @ 7% ;D
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/browse/index.php?mode=browse&id=8798&eventcode=1285
In one of my posts I mistook him for someone else. OK?! >:(
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I think JRod carries great mass on his legs for such a low bodyfat.
Is taking clenbuterol considered natural? :-\
Is taking ephedra or ephedrine considered natural these days?
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This picture unfortunately really does sum up bodybuilding. You train like a Nazi, spent tons of bread and time on your effort, and in the end, even if you win, you just end up standing on the loading dock, by the dumpster, all by yourself.
Wow! So true.
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(http://www.theocbwebsite.com/OCBChamps/LayneNorton1.jpg)(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/laynenorton/Layne%20Hand%20on%20Hips%20Most%20muscular.jpg)
as far as naturals go, jrod is on another level from layne.
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haha, what a thread.
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This picture unfortunately really does sum up bodybuilding. You train like a Nazi, spent tons of bread and time on your effort, and in the end, even if you win, you just end up standing on the loading dock, by the dumpster, all by yourself.
Wow! You just summed up my life, tommy. 'Cept for the effort and winning and stuff.
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qft
do you know what his training routine is like? :o
max-ot
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"jrod" is far from natural and is drugged up to the max. How do these liars live with themselves?
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the jealousy is delicious.
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(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/May20200520-20Jeff20Rodriguez20Chic.jpg)
He looks to be 170 pounds in that pic. He looks ripped onstage. If I had to bet the rent check, I'd go with natural, only because he's so small. If he was that ripped at 220, i'd call BS
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You can just guess which twinks are going to the gym today..."Man, I can attain that naturally. Just the right diet, training and OTC supplements! I'll show those haters..." And then 5 years from now, 10 lbs of lean muscle later....they give up. hahaha
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You can just guess which twinks are going to the gym today..."Man, I can attain that naturally. Just the right diet, training and OTC supplements! I'll show those haters..." And then 5 years from now, 10 lbs of lean muscle later....they give up. hahaha
is that an excerpt from your latest autobiography?
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I see we have two on that list...hahaha
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surely one of, if not the best natural around right now
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LOL at anyone who really thinks this guy is clean. Does he actually claim he is? If so, someone should beat the shit out of him.
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just because you didn't look as good on steroids doesn't mean you have to call bullshit on him.
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just because you didn't look as good on steroids doesn't mean you have to call bullshit on him.
Oh brother ::) You actually think this guy is not on gear? Someone should beat the shit out of you too.
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175.5 lbs @ 5'9 if thats not attainable nothing is ::)
after all thats what most people in this thread are saying, right?
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About as "advanced" a physique as you will ever see right here...
BTW, brutal bedroom wall panoramic print. ;D
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175.5 lbs @ 5'9 if thats not attainable nothing is ::)
after all thats what most people in this thread are saying, right?
it's not about the amount of muscle....
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BTW, brutal bedroom wall panoramic print. ;D
Is that a natural picture too? ::) ::)
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About as "advanced" a physique as you will ever see right here...
BTW, brutal bedroom wall panoramic print. ;D
Not only is that a dandy print, I think Home Fries has stolen Leafybug's comforter.
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175.5 lbs @ 5'9 if thats not attainable nothing is ::)
after all thats what most people in this thread are saying, right?
And another one who doesn't have a slightest clue what it is like to a) diet in general and b) to do it naturally.
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If you think that you will never attain a physique like that, why do you even workout?
It's called a reality check, successful goal setting requires achievable and not too distant goals. J-rod's physique is inspiring, but not realistic for all but the most dedicated bodybuilders.
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175.5 lbs @ 5'9 if thats not attainable nothing is ::)
after all thats what most people in this thread are saying, right?
Mindspin looked better than this guy (and this guy is on). It's very unlikely that he is totally natural. If so, this guy has some of the best gentics I have ever seen. You get to caught up in the numbers. 176 lbs of muscle is a lot of muscle if you are completely shredded at 5'9. Imo. this guy is to ripped and to full to be natural. As many have said, when you are natural, and you diet for real, your msucle looks flat and you get small. Flex Wheeler was about 180 lbs as an amateur and juiced to the gills. I guess this guy has beter genetics than Flex Wheeler.
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so to you -- a natural looks like some one who has never lifted a weight -- alright -- gotcha.
You don't much about anything do you? You can have two guys with the exact body composition relative to fat & muscle and the same body structure, height, etc. However, if one is juiced and the other isn't, they will look very different. Again, it's not about he amount of muscle.
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Again, it's not about he amount of muscle.
Yep. Forget about stats on paper.
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there is an easy test to determine if someone is mostly steroid free: feel their testicles. for someone to have that much mass at that level of hardness naturally, you still need lots of naturally supplied testosterone. he better have balls 2-2.5 inches long.
my guess is that he doesn't
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there is an easy test to determine if someone is mostly steroid free: feel their testicles. for someone to have that much mass at that level of hardness naturally, you still need lots of naturally supplied testosterone. he better have balls 2-2.5 inches long.
my guess is that he doesn't
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I like to lick testicles with my tongue. I will find out for you.
Fixed ;)
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ok.....so show me another natural with striated tris and glutes.....if it's "very achievable" then why do no naturals have his conditioning?
And believe it or not, other natural bodybuilders know how to train and diet yet are nowhere near as ripped.....but i guess they just don't train/diet as hard, right? ::)
Do a web search for Brian Whitacre. As far as striated glutes and triceps. Seen 'em myself last year at the 2008 WNBF Pro International. Did everyone have them? Nope. I think that the glute striation thing is probably a 60% genetic / 40% diet thing when it comes to low bodyfat. I say this because my left tricep shows great striation...yet my right doesnt show as much.
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there is an easy test to determine if someone is mostly steroid free: feel their testicles. for someone to have that much mass at that level of hardness naturally, you still need lots of naturally supplied testosterone. he better have balls 2-2.5 inches long.
my guess is that he doesn't
ummmm id rather guess than do that 'test' ...
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I say this because my left tricep shows great striation...yet my right doesnt show as much.
Maybe you should rotate which hand you jerk off with? 8)
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Maybe you should rotate which hand you jerk off with? 8)
His neck must be striated like Munzer from all the bobbinb up and down he does during 'muscle worship' hahha
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His neck must be striated like Munzer from all the bobbinb up and down he does during 'muscle worship' hahha
hahaha, yes JJ. Are you saying his jaw muscles are heavily developed from the poundages it takes?
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you moron -- you remind me of all those idiots from youtube who believe protein powder and creatine are steroids -- go shoot yourslef.
Thanks..... :'(
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there is an easy test to determine if someone is mostly steroid free: feel their testicles. for someone to have that much mass at that level of hardness naturally, you still need lots of naturally supplied testosterone. he better have balls 2-2.5 inches long.
my guess is that he doesn't
I know you are gay Tim, but daaaaaaaaaaamn ;D
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i can believe he is a natural. he has been training for a long time and seems to know his shit..
That off season photo looks great but he'll look a lot different when he diets down.
If thats not attainable for people who dont juice then what can we expect from working out, only being able to add 10 pounds of muscle you your life. i think not
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I think he's natural, I am Nowhere near his level but in the last 2 years I have come a LONG LONG way and often get the "are you on steroids" questions from people at work (and yeah I love it ;D ). It's funny tho I'm in my 30's now and eat very well all the time, makes you wonder how some of us could have looked if we had the same diet knowledge when we were in the early 20's 8). So yeah I think JRod is a nattie, and seems like a nice guy as well :).
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I think he's natural, I am Nowhere near his level but in the last 2 years I have come a LONG LONG way and often get the "are you on steroids" questions from people at work (and yeah I love it ;D ). It's funny tho I'm in my 30's now and eat very well all the time, makes you wonder how some of us could have looked if we had the same diet knowledge when we were in the early 20's 8). So yeah I think JRod is a nattie, and seems like a nice guy as well :).
Where the hell is your pic big guy? ::) ::)
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Where the hell is your pic big guy? ::) ::)
Welcome to Getbig mate ::).
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Welcome to Getbig mate ::).
LOL. He wouldn't have sassed you if you had your black stars. ;D
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he looks like a jacked tony reali from "around the horn"
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LOL. He wouldn't have sassed you if you had your black stars. ;D
Hahaha Chimps don't rub it in ;D. Speaking of natties I bet Aquiles got his.....danm I'm sick of that dude spaming these forums, guy just won't shut up ;).
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I believe him!
ALL Dextrose 8)
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jrod looking unbelievable as usual
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No doubt the guy looks great. However "natural" is extremely boring NOBODY would buy supplements go to shows (not that many do) if guys that looked like that were poster boys for the IFBB. If you wanna see guys like that get into modeling and buy an Abercrombie catalog. The kid looks great, but most people want to see guys like Ronnie, Phil, Marcus etc. Even though alot of you guys like a man with a aesthetic physique, IFBB bodybuilding would be dead if 95% of guys looked like that. And dont say that IFBB is dead anyway, because they wouldn't still be having shows, sponsors etc if they weren't making money. Natural is great, but this is BB not modeling. :-*
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He looks absolutely fantastic first and foremost, but there's little to no fat in his diet. Unless he's more genetically gifted than we credit him, he's on the crank too. There's no way he can stay that shredded all year round without using something that's not considered natural.
Either way though, he looks great.
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No doubt the guy looks great. However "natural" is extremely boring NOBODY would buy supplements go to shows (not that many do) if guys that looked like that were poster boys for the IFBB. If you wanna see guys like that get into modeling and buy an Abercrombie catalog. The kid looks great, but most people want to see guys like Ronnie, Phil, Marcus etc. Even though alot of you guys like a man with a aesthetic physique, IFBB bodybuilding would be dead if 95% of guys looked like that. And dont say that IFBB is dead anyway, because they wouldn't still be having shows, sponsors etc if they weren't making money. Natural is great, but this is BB not modeling. :-*
Yes, 300lbs with abs is what it's all about...........
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This guy is actually a tiny tit when we match him with drug using pro's. And he is on gear/slin/hgh for years.
A lot of excitement about nothing.
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natural or not that dude is very impressive to me
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I saw his training video squatting 365 for 4 or something. What a beast. ;D
That's pathetic
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That's pathetic
for a natural?? ;D
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I think he's natural, I am Nowhere near his level but in the last 2 years I have come a LONG LONG way and often get the "are you on steroids" questions from people at work (and yeah I love it ;D ). It's funny tho I'm in my 30's now and eat very well all the time, makes you wonder how some of us could have looked if we had the same diet knowledge when we were in the early 20's 8). So yeah I think JRod is a nattie, and seems like a nice guy as well :).
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Ignorance is bliss..... :-\
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Ignorance is bliss..... :-\
Like i said. POST A PICTURE OF WHAT YOU THINK IS THE LIMIT OF NATURAL BODYBUILDING.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=162166.0
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Like i said. POST A PICTURE OF WHAT YOU THINK IS THE LIMIT OF NATURAL BODYBUILDING.
It's too hard to just post a pic.
Do you know how many supposed natties aren't natural.....?
gh15 says Layne Norton isn't natural.....but if he was natural.....he would definietly be in the upper echelon of natural development.
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It's too hard to just post a pic.
Do you know how many supposed natties aren't natural.....?
gh15 says Layne Norton isn't natural.....but if he was natural.....he would definietly be in the upper echelon of natural development.
gh15 says aliens from Planet nibiru build the pyramids with anti-gravity-element115-laser-scalpels. hope this helps. ;D ;D
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I just noticed that this guy is endorsed by Dave Palumbo's supplement company.
Any bodybuilder in close contact with Palumbo probably is not natural lol.
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gh15 says aliens from Planet nibiru build the pyramids with anti-gravity-element115-laser-scalpels. hope this helps. ;D ;D
Yes, but gh15 himself said that he just said that shit to keep people entertained.
His drug knowledge is top notch...
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I just noticed that this guy is endorsed by Dave Palumbo's supplement company.
Any bodybuilder in close contact with Palumbo probably is not natural lol.
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since when is shooting fake gear NOT natural?? ;D ;D ;D
Yes, but gh15 himself said that he just said that shit to keep people entertained.
His drug knowledge is top notch...
reverse reverse psychology, huh? ;D ;D
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wake up ...this guy is hormonized to the max as well as the guy in the bedroom ..these 2 would not be over 155 lbs dry and peeled as natties not to mention they would be flat as hell
when ya'll gonna learn ?????? :-\
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hi 'jrod'
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a lot of hate towards jrod in this thread :(
you all have to remember he is the role model for using scientific knowledge to build muscle.
1. he uses a workout routine that has been shown to stimulate maximum protein synthesis + strength while keeping cortisol to a minimum. ( yes i can back this with studies)
2. he uses the best possible pre/during/post workout nutrition - shown to increase protein synthesis 400+% reducing cortisol etc.
3. he is extremely methodical with his diet - a diet which has been backed by science to spare maximum protein while dieting, while still providing enough carbs to fuel his workouts. Also when he reduces calories he lowers them very very slowly - again helping keep maximum muscle while dieting.
4. he is extremely methodical with his workouts, using perfect text book form and focussing on the negative with every exercise.
While most in the know, up to date bodybuilders in general may have read about the importance of these factors for maximum effectiveness in your bodybuilding endeavours, how many can honestly say they do everyone 100% of the time?
Don't hate, Appreciate 8)
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a lot of hate towards jrod in this thread :(
you all have to remember he is the role model for using scientific knowledge to build muscle.
1. he uses a workout routine that has been shown to stimulate maximum protein synthesis + strength while keeping cortisol to a minimum. ( yes i can back this with studies)
2. he uses the best possible pre/during/post workout nutrition - shown to increase protein synthesis 400+% reducing cortisol etc.
3. he is extremely methodical with his diet - a diet which has been backed by science to spare maximum protein while dieting, while still providing enough carbs to fuel his workouts. Also when he reduces calories he lowers them very very slowly - again helping keep maximum muscle while dieting.
4. he is extremely methodical with his workouts, using perfect text book form and focussing on the negative with every exercise.
While most in the know, up to date bodybuilders in general may have read about the importance of these factors for maximum effectiveness in your bodybuilding endeavours, how many can honestly say they do everyone 100% of the time?
Don't hate, Appreciate 8)
Yes, all that. What is his AAS stack like?
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Yes, all that. What is his AAS stack like?
whey and creatine :)
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whey and creatine :)
Are you positive he uses no NoXplode?? :o :o
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Are you positive he uses no NoXplode?? :o :o
:-\ maybe...... jeff ?
i read he's now using beta alanine. ;D
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:-\ maybe...... jeff ?
i read he's now using beta alanine. ;D
Helps with overtraining! Combined with creatine and NoXplode, the results are amazing! ;D ;D ;D
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hi 'jrod'
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you can, and he does.
if you diet correctly ( as he does), workout correctly (as he does), use correct nutrient timing ( as he does) its very achievable.
and he's not 205 he competes around 175 - although he's looking bigger now 8)
You my fruend are in complete denial; Natural to you must be 1 gram of test a week.
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a lot of hate towards jrod in this thread :(
you all have to remember he is the role model for using scientific knowledge to build muscle.
1. he uses a workout routine that has been shown to stimulate maximum protein synthesis + strength while keeping cortisol to a minimum. ( yes i can back this with studies)
2. he uses the best possible pre/during/post workout nutrition - shown to increase protein synthesis 400+% reducing cortisol etc.
3. he is extremely methodical with his diet - a diet which has been backed by science to spare maximum protein while dieting, while still providing enough carbs to fuel his workouts. Also when he reduces calories he lowers them very very slowly - again helping keep maximum muscle while dieting.
4. he is extremely methodical with his workouts, using perfect text book form and focussing on the negative with every exercise.
While most in the know, up to date bodybuilders in general may have read about the importance of these factors for maximum effectiveness in your bodybuilding endeavours, how many can honestly say they do everyone 100% of the time?
Don't hate, Appreciate 8)
Could you post a few studies or send me some on these? Particularly the diet aspect (pre-post, etc.). He basically uses the Max-OT diet with very minimal change. I used to do that but the protein intake was monstrous.
I thought you were an advocate of eating 3 meals a day similar and he eats like 7 or 8.
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About as natural as these
(http://www.universal-ent.net/images/Big_Bust/minka3.jpg)
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Could you post a few studies or send me some on these? Particularly the diet aspect (pre-post, etc.). He basically uses the Max-OT diet with very minimal change. I used to do that but the protein intake was monstrous.
I thought you were an advocate of eating 3 meals a day similar and he eats like 7 or 8.
i advocate 4 meals a day - every 5 hours the 4th meal always being a 100g milk protein drink before bed ( as a 40g casein shake has been shown to take approx 7 hours to digest, with protein synthesis remaining elevated the whole time). i also have a pre workout drink ( 500ml of milk+ 10g creatine).
I have came to this conclusion from reading many studies on meal frequency, diets, synthsis rates/timescales etc that show either no difference or a slight benefit to the lower frequency in terms of muscle and strength gain.
these are just a few studies of many, but are good enjoy:
https://ecss2007.cc.jyu.fi/schedule/proceedings/pdf/1796.pdf (this shows why lower frequency meals are better for strength and muscle mass)
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf ( this explains why you get a better synthesis responce with longer breaks between meals)
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200606_Cribb.pdf (highlights the amazing effects of pre/post supplementation and also highlights how important creatine is for the best effect )
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/pdf/1475-2891-7-23.pdf ( The benefits of high protein diets in sparing muscle while in reduced calories)
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Yes, but gh15 himself said that he just said that shit to keep people entertained.
His drug knowledge is top notch...
gh15's knownledge of anabolics could easily be obtained from training at Gold's Gym Venice, or any serious bodybuilding gym for one year.
He also insist the Egyptian pyramids are made of concrete. ;D
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gh15's knownledge of anabolics could easily be obtained from training at Gold's Gym Venice, or any serious bodybuilding gym for one year.
He also insist the Egyptian pyramids are made of concrete. ;D
And that the aliens have solar panel infrared remote control eyes.
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gh15's knownledge of anabolics could easily be obtained from training at Gold's Gym Venice, or any serious bodybuilding gym for one year.
He also insist the Egyptian pyramids are made of concrete. ;D
Hmm. Vespasian had the Roman Colosseum constructed using concrete in places. Maybe he was onto something? :D
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Everyone knows that Vespasian smoked way too much Roman Red, so his opinion is suspect.
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Everyone knows that Vespasian smoked way too much Roman Red, so his opinion is suspect.
I knew it! >:(
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And that the aliens have solar panel infrared remote control eyes.
talking of Jrod and aliens...
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
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talking of Jrod and aliens...
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
seva is best friends with that jrod - he has had his anus probed many times. :-X
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Here's a video of jrod barbell rowing 335 and 355 lbs about two months ago...
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All the way big dude.
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jrod lookin phenomenal..strong too
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So he's one of those assholes who curls in the power racks. Dick.
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Here's a video of jrod barbell rowing 335 and 355 lbs about two months ago...
his cameraman is lucky the staff didnt catch him filming or they would have revoked his membership
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why is that rommel? :D
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this is the biggest most impressive natural i know.. hes a natty pro as well. Gets smoked though cause he really is natty and most of the guys in the musclemania take more shit then the npc lol... I watched him go from an impressive but small 185-190 when we were kids to all time biggest here which was 210 and it took him 25 years basically. It took me three years of being on small cycles to surpass him when we were kids. LOL...
(http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/images/ernie-richards.jpg)
(http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/images/ernierichards.jpg)
Contest History
2004 Musclemania Superbody Professional 6th Place
2003 Musclemania World Professional 8th Place
2002 Musclemania World Heavyweight Champion
2001 Musclemania World Heavyweight 6th Place
1995 NPC Team Universe Heavyweight 5th Place
1995 NGA American Nationals Heavyweight 5th Place
1995 Musclemania World Heavyweight 3rd Place
1994 NPC Natural Eastern Classic
Achievements
AAAI/ISMA Certified Personal Trainer
1992 Recipient of Certificate of recognition from Governor
LT. Governor of Massachusetts
Featured in International Magazines
Featured on ESPN's American Muscle Magazine
New York and Boston Hardbodies model
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(http://www.fitnessatlantic.com/images/ernie-richards.jpg)
...what height is this guy?
I assume he's not comparable with Shawn Ray (5'7'' 210ish), just how much taller is he?
The Luke
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i advocate 4 meals a day - every 5 hours the 4th meal always being a 100g milk protein drink before bed ( as a 40g casein shake has been shown to take approx 7 hours to digest, with protein synthesis remaining elevated the whole time). i also have a pre workout drink ( 500ml of milk+ 10g creatine).
I have came to this conclusion from reading many studies on meal frequency, diets, synthsis rates/timescales etc that show either no difference or a slight benefit to the lower frequency in terms of muscle and strength gain.
these are just a few studies of many, but are good enjoy:
https://ecss2007.cc.jyu.fi/schedule/proceedings/pdf/1796.pdf (this shows why lower frequency meals are better for strength and muscle mass)
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200806_Layne.pdf ( this explains why you get a better synthesis responce with longer breaks between meals)
http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/conference_presentations/ISSNConference_200606_Cribb.pdf (highlights the amazing effects of pre/post supplementation and also highlights how important creatine is for the best effect )
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/pdf/1475-2891-7-23.pdf ( The benefits of high protein diets in sparing muscle while in reduced calories)
Thank you.