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evan centapani
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Well woopedoo, all synthol and stretchmarks.
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hey fat, fat ;D
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Cast members from Deliverance?
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Cast members from Deliverance?
fat kid in first pic is evan centaponi, second one is evan as a sophmore.
evan says eh got up to as fat as 220lbs as a freshman, then over tyhe summer leaned out into the sophmore body you see in the second picture. 220lbs as a freshman before ever working out... thats very fat, fatter than in the first pic.
the point was just that "genetics" dont play as big a role as does hard work, big eating, and drugs.
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fat kid in first pic is evan centaponi, second one is evan as a sophmore.
evan says eh got up to as fat as 220lbs as a freshman, then over tyhe summer leaned out into the sophmore body you see in the second picture. 220lbs as a freshman before ever working out... thats very fat, fatter than in the first pic.
the point was just that "genetics" dont play as big a role as does hard work, big eating, and drugs.
fat kids?
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the point was just that "genetics" dont play as big a role as does hard work, big eating, and drugs.
Wrong! If genetics didn't matter, most of the gym rats who juice, eat and lift hard would look like pros. Genetics is the reason why you will never have Phil Heath's arms or Dorian Yates' back even if you ate, juiced and lifted exactly what they did. Can't believe you made such a dumb statement Candi :-\
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Wrong! If genetics didn't matter, most of the gym rats who juice, eat and lift hard would look like pros. Genetics are the reason why you will never have Phil Heath's arms or Dorian Yates' back even if you ate, juiced and lifted exactly what they did. Can't believe you made such a dumb statement Candi :-\
Spot on as usal big kiwi.
This has been explained to candi many times and he still doesnt get it..maybe he says dumb things to get attention? ???
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Wrong! If genetics didn't matter, most of the gym rats who juice, eat and lift hard would look like pros. Genetics are the reason why you will never have Phil Heath's arms or Dorian Yates' back even if you ate, juiced and lifted exactly what they did. Can't believe you made such a dumb statement Candi :-\
bullshit !
you may not be able to change muscle shape, but if you take hg gear, eat and lift correctly anyone can be as big as a pro.
naturals don't all look the same due to the same reasons - i.e hormones due to differences in natural test levels.
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bullshit !
you may not be able to change muscle shape, but if you take hg gear, eat and lift correctly anyone can be as big as a pro.
naturals don't all look the same due to the same reasons - i.e hormones due to differences in natural test levels.
But they wont look like a pro..just like anyone can lift heavy weights and eat to gain weight , doesnt mean they will look impressive or look like a bodybuilder...
Genetics is a whole pile of things , bellys , insertions , structure etc etc.only the elite have it all.
Candys statement is still wrong IMO. And if you reread kiwis statement it is correct.I could do the same thing as yates in regards to juice,training,diet it doesnt mean ill be pro calibar of course you will get bigger muscles but doesnt mean you will look like yates.
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bullshit !
you may not be able to change muscle shape, but if you take hg gear, eat and lift correctly anyone can be as big as a pro.
naturals don't all look the same due to the same reasons - i.e hormones due to differences in natural test levels.
Sorry, but you are wrong. Mike Matarazzo once (jokingly) said that at least half the audience in a show like the Mr Olympia are on more drugs than the competitors themselves! But then very few of them look like the pros onstage, don't they? Going by your theory, everyone in the pro level should be of the same or similar size as Ronnie Coleman of 2003 or Dorian Yates when he weighed 270 lb in 2007. The reason they don't is because of genetics.
At the top level, all pros do similar amounts of juice, yet some are bigger than others. They all have access to the best gyms and there are no secrets with dieting or juicing or training, but there is only one Phil Heath with arms like the ones he has or Dorian Yates with his calves. Johnnie Jackson probably lifts heavier than Dorian does (not that it matters if he doesn't) and even if he takes the same or more of the drugs than what Dorian did, he'll never have Dorian's calves in a billion years.
Throughout their reigns as Mr Olympia, both Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman had competitors trying to equal or surpass them in terms of size and muscularity. And save for a couple of guys who had the genetics for it (like Nasser and Jay), no one else could come close to them muscularity wise. Genetics are the reason why you can take someone like Kenny Jones, inject him with everything you can get your hands on and still not have him come anywhere near the shape Ronnie Coleman displayed at his best onstage.
Drugs will help you build more muscle than what you can naturally and do it quicker. But no drugs or training or dietary principles will change your calves to resemble those of Dorian Yates if your calves were 11" to start with, to give an example. Genetics is also the reason why some pros stay healthy (relatively speaking) and retain a head full of hair in spite of mega dosing stuff, while others have their body and organs break down and fail.
Genetics is a whole pile of things , bellys , insertions , structure etc etc.only the elite have it all.
Absolutely right!
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Everyone was skinny or fat at some point in his life.
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But they wont look like a pro..just like anyone can lift heavy weights and eat to gain weight , doesnt mean they will look impressive or look like a bodybuilder...
Genetics is a whole pile of things , bellys , insertions , structure etc etc.only the elite have it all.
Candys statement is still wrong IMO. And if you reread kiwis statement it is correct.I could do the same thing as yates in regards to juice,training,diet it doesnt mean ill be pro calibar of course you will get bigger muscles but doesnt mean you will look like yates.
you are right, if you took what yates took you'll probably have better arms and no gut ;D
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Sorry, but you are wrong. Mike Matarazzo once (jokingly) said that at least half the audience in a show like the Mr Olympia are on more drugs than the competitors themselves! But then very few of them look like the pros onstage, don't they? Going by your theory, everyone in the pro level should be of the same or similar size as Ronnie Coleman of 2003 or Dorian Yates when he weighed 270 lb in 2007. The reason they don't is because of genetics.
At the top level, all pros do similar amounts of juice, yet some are bigger than others. They all have access to the best gyms and there are no secrets with dieting or juicing or training, but there is only one Phil Heath with arms like the ones he has or Dorian Yates with his calves. Johnnie Jackson probably lifts heavier than Dorian does (not that it matters if he doesn't) and even if he takes the same or more of the drugs than what Dorian did, he'll never have Dorian's calves in a billion years.
Throughout their reigns as Mr Olympia, both Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman had competitors trying to equal or surpass them in terms of size and muscularity. And save for a couple of guys who had the genetics for it (like Nasser and Jay), no one else could come close to them muscularity wise. Genetics are the reason why you can take someone like Kenny Jones, inject him with everything you can get your hands on and still not have him come anywhere near the shape Ronnie Coleman displayed at his best onstage.
Drugs will help you build more muscle than what you can naturally and do it quicker. But no drugs or training or dietary principles will change your calves to resemble those of Dorian Yates if your calves were 11" to start with, to give an example. Genetics is also the reason why some pros stay healthy (relatively speaking) and retain a head full of hair in spite of mega dosing stuff, while others have their body and organs break down and fail.
Absolutely right!
mike isn't exactly going to come out and tell the truth - i.e anyone could be as big as him if they took illegal drugs too. he's not the only 'pro' to make this claim, yet as soon as they all come off they look like aids victims i.e. prince, titus, levrone, etc
yes genetics does involve a load of things, insertions, structure etc as will said. However your argument that ronnie and yates were special or genetic freaks is simply a guess. you have no clue what they take, and saying that every pro is on virtually the same thing is a guess too, in fact , many like milos, gh15, doggcrapp, priest, disgusted etc all disagree regading dosages. i read kamali and johnny jackson say the dosages chad wanted them to take would kill them - clearly ronnie didn't mind - and funnily enough was the largest ever.
reg park was considered a genetic freak, never to be beaten on size, then arnold, then haney, then dorian, then ronnie. the one thing they all have in common is larger doses.
steroids + training = size
diet + training = cuts
the rest i leave to genetics, which will be reflected in the judging or should i say 'personal preference' in the same way someone compares 2 faces and decides who is better looking.
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yes genetics does involve a load of things, insertions, structure etc as will said. However your argument that ronnie and yates were special or genetic freaks is simply a guess. you have no clue what they take, and saying that every pro is on virtually the same thing is a guess too, in fact , many like milos, gh15, doggcrapp, priest, disgusted etc all disagree regading dosages.
I forgot who I was arguing with ;D
Going back to your post though, fair enough that I have no idea what Dorian or Ronnie were taking. But same goes for you and everyone else. The variation in dosages among these guys is a whole different topic altogether, but I'd say the dosages would be very similar, cause a lot of these guy do interact and know each other quite well. There aren't millions of substances out there for these guys to take - it's the same bunch of things and I'd say the differences in the amount they take would be minimal.
My point is that you have guys like Nasser, Dorian and Ronnie who are freaks among genetic freaks. Not all of their size and muscularity can be attributed to juice. Genetics dictates the size and shape of your muscles, along with your response to juice, your body's resiliency and so on. Which is why no matter how much you make someone like Kenny Jones lift or eat or juice, you'll never get him to come anywhere near how big and freaky Dorian or Ronnie were.
So juice is a big part of the equation, but not the determining factor when it comes to how big you can get or whether you can compete and win in pro shows. If you have read anything about amateurs who try their hand at competing, you'll find that a lot of them, including top names like Phillip Goglia (who wrote a great article in FLEX back in the 90s) admit that no matter what they take and how committed they are with their diet and insane they are with their training, they would never be Mr Olympia.
Same reason why Chris Lund said that if you combine Rich Gaspari's heart with Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable Mr Olympia ;)
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Same reason why Chris Lund said that if you combine Rich Gaspari's heart with Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable Mr Olympia ;)
U look at Cormier, wheeler and Dillet, all caught up in the Venice beach scene and who got the latest rims.
Really a shame none of them reached their genetic potential. Venice Beach ruined them
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I forgot who I was arguing with ;D
Going back to your post though, fair enough that I have no idea what Dorian or Ronnie were taking. But same goes for you and everyone else. The variation in dosages among these guys is a whole different topic altogether, but I'd say the dosages would be very similar, cause a lot of these guy do interact and know each other quite well. There aren't millions of substances out there for these guys to take - it's the same bunch of things and I'd say the differences in the amount they take would be minimal.
My point is that you have guys like Nasser, Dorian and Ronnie who are freaks among genetic freaks. Not all of their size and muscularity can be attributed to juice. Genetics dictates the size and shape of your muscles, along with your response to juice, your body's resiliency and so on. Which is why no matter how much you make someone like Kenny Jones lift or eat or juice, you'll never get him to come anywhere near how big and freaky Dorian or Ronnie were.
So juice is a big part of the equation, but not the determining factor when it comes to how big you can get or whether you can compete and win in pro shows. If you have read anything about amateurs who try their hand at competing, you'll find that a lot of them, including top names like Phillip Goglia (who wrote a great article in FLEX back in the 90s) admit that no matter what they take and how committed they are with their diet and insane they are with their training, they would never be Mr Olympia.
Same reason why Chris Lund said that if you combine Rich Gaspari's heart with Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable Mr Olympia ;)
i can see your point, and will's.
i still disagree though :D
if you take 2 identical twins, give 1 human grade gear, proper diet , and use progressive resistance.
if the other twin lacks in any one of these factors the difference in physique will be vast.
the same vast difference you see in the pro's with the added difference of structure, shape etc
hell compare greg kovac when he first arrived on the scene to now - same genetics, but gear, igf, and god knows what else has caused him to develop palumboism, the gut etc
physiques will always look different due to general genetic differences between people, but size and condition is controlable with gear, diet, and lifting.
also look at the justin harris pics on he other thread - 2 years ago he thought he had a lagging bodypart ( due to genetics) 2 years later, he ups the dosage, changs the excercise and boom - wings.
do not believe the myth.
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do not believe the myth.
OK, thank you Einstein ;D
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OK, thank you Einstein ;D
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have you seen once were warriors kiwiol ?
some scary guys in that movie - is new zealand that bad ?
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Everyone was skinny or fat at some point in his life.
TRUE,BUT IT'S THE MIDDLE ROAD COMBO TRAITS.that most pros are at that make them big and lean from the get go.fuller muscle look even half trained or just from playing sports,skinny guys can get bigger but always will trail most natural mesomorph types,heavy guy will be bigger mass wise but trail in good natural shape and muscle leaness.
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Epic genetics
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Nasser el Sonbaty
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/146/images/Nasser_El_Sonbaty_63.jpg) (http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/view/18551/146/Nasser-El-Sonbaty.html)
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Can anyone fins the one with Tom platz, his legs were so fucking small.
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swede
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dorian yates
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lool.
I need to jump on the juice ;D
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cumdizzle is a cock inhaling idiot.
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;D
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haha
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markus ruhl
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canadian_muscle
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;D
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haha
who is that ?
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who is that ?
Me before I forced myself to eat, Just ate shit foods one or max twice a day and drank alot of cola lol
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BOOM!!!
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Are you implying there is hope for squad after all? ???
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who is that ?
Moosegays wet dream.
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Nasser el Sonbaty
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Im amazed how narrow he looks there and how he turned into a monster.
Maby there is hope for me afterall lol.
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fat kid in first pic is evan centaponi, second one is evan as a sophmore.
evan says eh got up to as fat as 220lbs as a freshman, then over tyhe summer leaned out into the sophmore body you see in the second picture. 220lbs as a freshman before ever working out... thats very fat, fatter than in the first pic.
the point was just that "genetics" dont play as big a role as does hard work, big eating, and drugs.
Uh yeah genetics determine how much each of those three factors all play out for you, kid. Hope this Helps
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Alex Federov weighed in at 280lbs on stage at the Olympia in 2005.
He didn't place.
Genetics.
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yup.. thats genetic structure... becoming huge and ripped is one thing... but becoming a good bodybuilder is somehting totally different... good point io..
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Looking at pics before people start training is pointless.
Take Nasser and say Woody Allen , if Woody Allen done everything nasser did to acheive his development I bet you everything I have Woody Allen would look nothing like the nasser end result.
You cant turn a chihuahua into a great dane...genetics , the potential must be there first.
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Alex Federov weighed in at 280lbs on stage at the Olympia in 2005.
He didn't place.
Genetics.
With good pecs he would mr mr O for a long time.
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you are right, if you took what yates took you'll probably have better arms and no gut ;D
haha ;D , the only thing That im close to Dozer at the moment is his tummy
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Well it shows there might be hope for Candidizzle yet!!
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Looking at pics before people start training is pointless.
none of those pics - besides evan centaponi as litle fat kid- are before training.
iin fact one of em's already juicing ;) "grainy"
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none of those pics - besides evan centaponi as litle fat kid- are before training.
iin fact one of em's already juicing ;) "grainy"
Nasser? that was when he was a soccer player..A sport that requires the opposite of BB so any gym work done would not have been to get "bigger"
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You cant just look at someone and tell what their Genetics are like.Its all on a cellular level....Androgen receptors,Muscle fibre recruitment ect.Thats how you have someone like Dorian who was skinny as a rake,then soon as he started training/using AAS he grew like a weed.Its the DNA on the inside that you cant see what makes you look/respond like a Pro.....
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You cant just look at someone and tell what their Genetics are like.Its all on a cellular level....Androgen receptors,Muscle fibre recruitment ect.Thats how you have someone like Dorian who was skinny as a rake,then soon as he started training/using AAS he grew like a weed.Its the DNA on the inside that you cant see what makes you look/respond like a Pro.....
Word 8)
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You cant just look at someone and tell what their Genetics are like.Its all on a cellular level....Androgen receptors,Muscle fibre recruitment ect.Thats how you have someone like Dorian who was skinny as a rake,then soon as he started training/using AAS he grew like a weed.Its the DNA on the inside that you cant see what makes you look/respond like a Pro.....
okay... but how do you know that ? youve done test on these guys to find this stuff out?
because if you start to look and see..youll find that most of the "mass monsters" moms and dads werent big people..and neither were they as kids... and actually, speaking about androgen receptors, humans have very similar androgen receptor density...s o response to aas is going to be very similar, at tleast at the level of the androgen receptor, in all humans...
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its a latent genetic gift some people have.
i always wonder what i would look like if i was able to take gear etc...then i lose interest lol
I was tall and skinny as akid then at 17 i just started to really broaden significantly with a year before i even trained
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http://www.ophirrugby.com/u18s.htm
That skinny dork in yellow is me at 16.
This was me at 17 still had not started weight training yet but big difference
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You dont know.....Until you start training/taking aas.Thats my point.The "Mass Monsters" Moms and Dads where not big people as they didnt train/take aas.I used to think like you...Then i got off the merry go round.Not to say anyone cant have a great physique,but a pro level physique is un realistic for most.These guys just respond so much better than "Regular" Gym rats.Its shit,but you can only do your best with what the man upstairs gave you....No matter how much effort you put in / how many drugs you take
okay... but how do you know that ? youve done test on these guys to find this stuff out?
because if you start to look and see..youll find that most of the "mass monsters" moms and dads werent big people..and neither were they as kids... and actually, speaking about androgen receptors, humans have very similar androgen receptor density...s o response to aas is going to be very similar, at tleast at the level of the androgen receptor, in all humans...
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you can only do your best
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You have a good attitude tbombz,very motivated guy.You remind me of myself when i was younger.Getting all technical and shit lol ! The money/time i have wasted over the years ! Wouldnt change a thing though :) Enjoyed every minute of the learning process.I just keep it simple nowdays,make good gains,and have a little more $ in my pocket since i dont buy super supplement xyz every week lol
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Genetics make you the stand out in level one and possibly level two in bodybuilding...However if you don't respond to drugs like some others, then you can have all he genetics in the world and it won't matter...
Look at Kamali...He made it to the last level(pro) and now he is not responding to drugs and his whole body is different...Responding to gear at the pro level is everything...Because if it wasn't, Milo's would have something like 72 Wins...And Bob Paris would be a 10 time Mr. Olympia
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okay... but how do you know that ? youve done test on these guys to find this stuff out?
because if you start to look and see..youll find that most of the "mass monsters" moms and dads werent big people..and neither were they as kids... and actually, speaking about androgen receptors, humans have very similar androgen receptor density...s o response to aas is going to be very similar, at tleast at the level of the androgen receptor, in all humans...
steroids, training, insulin, gh also increased AR in the muscle, so even if you have low amounts due to an easy life - or 'poor genetics' as some here would call it. it can all be changed by adding the factors mentioned.
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steroids, training, insulin, gh also increased AR in the muscle, so even if you have low amounts due to an easy life - or 'poor genetics' as some here would call it. it can all be changed by adding the factors mentioned.
What do you mean by this?
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What do you mean by this?
if you have been a coutch potatoe all your life, or pc geek, did zero exercise, did zero physical activity, etc. the AR receptors in your muscles will be lower than someone who plays sports, etc.
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if you have been a coutch potatoe all your life, or pc geek, did zero exercise, did zero physical activity, etc. the AR receptors in your muscles will be lower than someone who plays sports, etc.
Gotcha, thought so. Thanks.