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Title: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 08, 2009, 09:33:38 PM
So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?

Looks like a lot of people saying it’s all going to fall apart.  Just in case, are you stocking up, if so what?  For how many months?  Generator?  Fuel? Food? Water?  What and how much, do tell.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: 240 is Back on February 08, 2009, 09:44:28 PM
I ordered the next 36 months of FLEX and MD in advance. 


Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 08, 2009, 09:46:18 PM
I ordered the next 36 months of FLEX and MD in advance. 



Bahahahaha ;D
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 08, 2009, 09:47:45 PM
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 12:05:23 AM
actually with all the posts being made by everybody, this thread may be more serious than I intended.  Comments anyone?


 Ok, I was serious.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: SAMSON123 on February 09, 2009, 12:21:54 AM
So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?

Looks like a lot of people saying it’s all going to fall apart.  Just in case, are you stocking up, if so what?  For how many months?  Generator?  Fuel? Food? Water?  What and how much, do tell.


Is there really such a thing as preparing for such an event???. I don't think anyone really is aware of what a TOTAL COLLAPSE would involve. Stocking up food??? water??? sanitation??? medical supplies and emergencies??? What TONNAGE of food would be necessary? and how long would this event take place? The 29 depression went on for years. The idea of hiding inside ones home for indefinite periods of time is ludicrous at best. Living in utter fear is worst as it promotes insecurities, violence and an inability to work as a community...suddenly everyone is suspicious to everyone. In all honesty I am not sure what a person could or should do as I don't think but a few are alive who lived through the depression who can tell how they coped. Cities are much bigger, alternative means of survival are much fewer, living off the land is nearly impossible given the speed of a collapse and the unpreparedness to adapt to rural lifestyles on a whim. A collapse would involve the loss of electricity, gas, phones, transportation and in particular hospitals. What would a society do? It would be catastrophic at best and uncivilized at the least. At best americans can only pray that it does NOT happen...
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 12:28:02 AM
Is there really such a thing as preparing for such an event???. I don't think anyone really is aware of what a TOTAL COLLAPSE would involve. Stocking up food??? water??? sanitation??? medical supplies and emergencies??? What TONNAGE of food would be necessary? and how long would this event take place? The 29 depression went on for years. The idea of hiding inside ones home for indefinite periods of time is ludicrous at best. Living in utter fear is worst as it promotes insecurities, violence and an inability to work as a community...suddenly everyone is suspicious to everyone. In all honesty I am not sure what a person could or should do as I don't think but a few are alive who lived through the depression who can tell how they coped. Cities are much bigger, alternative means of survival are much fewer, living off the land is nearly impossible given the speed of a collapse and the unpreparedness to adapt to rural lifestyles on a whim. A collapse would involve the loss of electricity, gas, phones, transportation and in particular hospitals. What would a society do? It would be catastrophic at best and uncivilized at the least. At best americans can only pray that it does NOT happen...
you're right, very right. but an innitial stock of supplies might get some by the innitial shock wave and able to set or gear themselves up for the long haul.  where those who might not have anything when shit hits the fan will find the worst right off the bat.

also your right, for many this isn't going to even be an option if this happens and that's sad...  don't know what to say to that, it's just a fact.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Ganuvanx on February 09, 2009, 12:28:25 AM
Preparing for the worst, hoping for the best:

Guns: 12 gauge tactical with 9 shot capacity, 45 calibre pistol, 22 calibre rifle (plenty of ammo for all)

Food: 600 pounds of rice, 200 pounds of pasta, 200 pounds oatmeal, 300 cans Chunky Soup, 600 cans of various other goodies, lots of spices, sugar, salt etc.

Water: No need to stockpile much of it where I live

Other Useful Items: Bear spray, nano masks, iodine tabs, Bible, knives


Get buying your stuff cuz soon your money is gonna be worthless.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 12:35:45 AM
Preparing for the worst, hoping for the best:

Guns: 12 gauge tactical with 9 shot capacity, 45 calibre pistol, 22 calibre rifle (plenty of ammo for all)

Food: 600 pounds of rice, 200 pounds of pasta, 200 pounds oatmeal, 300 cans Chunky Soup, 600 cans of various other goodies, lots of spices, sugar, salt etc.

Water: No need to stockpile much of it where I live

Other Useful Items: Bear spray, nano masks, iodine tabs, Bible, knives


Get buying your stuff cuz soon your money is gonna be worthless.
good list for the most part.  What about a generator and fuel? 

Protien too.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on February 09, 2009, 12:40:17 AM
(http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/3/P11220601.jpg)
(http://www.the-deer-hunting-guide.com/images/hunting%20rifles.jpg)
(http://www.mtmitchell-cabin.com/cabin.jpg)

(http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/texas/recreation/sabine/red_hills_lake_view.jpg)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 01:00:58 AM

good position.  any other provisions you would recommend?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: SAMSON123 on February 09, 2009, 01:14:27 AM
(http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/3/P11220601.jpg)
(http://www.the-deer-hunting-guide.com/images/hunting%20rifles.jpg)
(http://www.mtmitchell-cabin.com/cabin.jpg)

(http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/texas/recreation/sabine/red_hills_lake_view.jpg)

Not to be defeatist Bindare, but you are doing or thinking of doing the very thing I wrote in my post above. You are living in FEAR, you are suspicious of everyone and because of that everyone will be suspicious of you and will (re)act accordingly. Thinking that guns will save you is ridiculous. I can see already that violence is you M.O. and working with or helping anyone else out will be out of the question as fear will have you believing that everyone you see is OUT TO GET YOU OR YOUR FOOD. While you have listed what seems to be a lot of food, I guarantee you it will be gone in NO TIME. Sadly the people who will go most ROGUE in society will be the police and the military. It will be immediate that they are robbing stores, people, communities and all for the sake of surviving (remember the cops during the Katrina hurricane). While a cabin on a lake seems secluded and safe...I guarantee you those secluded areas will be the first that people will go to (right after they hit the well to do neighborhoods) knowing that many have fled to such areas with supplies in hopes of avoiding the problems. Also have you ever lived in such seclusion? Is the water in the lake safe to drink? are the fish safe to eat? sadly many of these lakes and fish seem pristine (test the water), but are loaded with chemical runoff or poisoned in some other way. Taking a dip now and then or eating some fish while camping maybe fun once in a while, but doing it for a great length of time may expose you to harmful if not deadly toxins and the task of living in such silence (not even a radio) can bring about madness. I remember from history class that the homestead acts which paid people  to move west failed miserably for the new comers, because the isolation drove many insane and these people filled the insane asylums after being alone for extended periods of time. Again I am not being defeatist..just real. Ideally what you desire to do sounds great, but what one thinks about and what one does and the outcome can be dramatically different than what is expected....
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 01:32:17 AM
Not to be defeatist Bindare, but you are doing or thinking of doing the very thing I wrote in my post above. You are living in FEAR, you are suspicious of everyone and because of that everyone will be suspicious of you and will (re)act accordingly. Thinking that guns will save you is ridiculous. I can see already that violence is you M.O. and working with or helping anyone else out will be out of the question as fear will have you believing that everyone you see is OUT TO GET YOU OR YOUR FOOD. While you have listed what seems to be a lot of food, I guarantee you it will be gone in NO TIME. Sadly the people who will go most ROGUE in society will be the police and the military. It will be immediate that they are robbing stores, people, communities and all for the sake of surviving (remember the cops during the Katrina hurricane). While a cabin on a lake seems secluded and safe...I guarantee you those secluded areas will be the first that people will go to (right after they hit the well to do neighborhoods) knowing that many have fled to such areas with supplies in hopes of avoiding the problems. Also have you ever lived in such seclusion? Is the water in the lake safe to drink? are the fish safe to eat? sadly many of these lakes and fish seem pristine (test the water), but are loaded with chemical runoff or poisoned in some other way. Taking a dip now and then or eating some fish while camping maybe fun once in a while, but doing it for a great length of time may expose you to harmful if not deadly toxins and the task of living in such silence (not even a radio) can bring about madness. I remember from history class that the homestead acts which paid people  to move west failed miserably for the new comers, because the isolation drove many insane and these people filled the insane asylums after being alone for extended periods of time. Again I am not being defeatist..just real. Ideally what you desire to do sounds great, but what one thinks about and what one does and the outcome can be dramatically different than what is expected....
Knowlegde does not equal fear. 

Fear was the duct tape plastic episode after 9/11.  I think/hope we're past such bs.  But with this economic crap being a very real posibility, it sure doesn't hurt to be stocked up.  Especially with supplies that have a long shelf life.  If nothing happens, you just did some shopping in advance and if some other natural catasophe occures, you're hooked up so it's good even if there isn't a problem now.  Better safe than sorry and geared to where you didn't lose either way.  Has nothing to do with fear.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: loco on February 09, 2009, 03:19:07 AM
This all reminds me of Y2K.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 03:25:53 AM
This all reminds me of Y2K.
not me, I knew y2k was pure crap ;)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 09, 2009, 04:54:46 AM
Samson is right in a lot of ways but also very wrong.  In a shit hits the fan scenario you have to look out for yourself and your family.  Le'ts face it .....we don't live in the 1920's and 1930's where people pretty much lived on farms for the most part or owned land.  The country was much more accessible etc.  There was much more a sense of community.  We are also much more reliant on other people for our ability to survive....i.e. grocery stores for food.......the city for clean water.  We also live in a much more dangerous world.  Lots of criminals and other people that just need that reason to become a criminal walking around our streets WITH guns.  If the economy collapses it will be MUCH rougher on the average person than any depression of the 30's.  The government will be out in droves patrolling and controlling everything.  Rioting, looting will happen on massive scale.  Don't think for a moment it wouldn't.  I mean come on..........look at the shit that happens on a daily basis when our society is INTACT! ??????????  There will be a lot of good people that wll band together and help each other........always have and always will be.  But we are talking something the likes we have never seen in the history of our country.  Lots of families and people lived off the grid so to speak in the 1930's.  Not true nowadays.  I mean shit I'd hate to be in a huge city when the SHTF.  You thought Katrin was bad????? Fuck LA and NYC would be fucking nightmares. 

I just laugh when I see all these stupid Hollywood people or other rich celebs on tv.  Their money won't mean shit in a economic collapse.  Nobody's will.  They'll be like every other joe struggling to survive. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Fury on February 09, 2009, 05:06:46 AM
I always thought it would be cool to ride the rails across the country!
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: CQ on February 09, 2009, 05:09:00 AM
All jokes aside, most my assets aren't liquid - businesses and property. I was intending to anyway, but I am liquidating at a greater rate now as our dollar is pegged to the US dollar, and although many Americans don't care - I care deeply about the dollar since I travel, move, partly live and spend larger amounts of money abroad, and with all due respect don't feel too great having what is a large amount [to me] stuck in US currency. I long dumped my actual cash out of the US dollar.

Plus, so my sibling - who is all uber geeky and Ivy League educated tells me - now is the time to buy some stocks, and my money would be better off there.

That said, I don't think for a split second the US will collapse, it won't - ever. But I have been on the negative end traveling with a weaker US dollar, and it really isn't too cute.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 09, 2009, 05:14:04 AM
All jokes aside, most my assets aren't liquid - businesses and property. I was intending to anyway, but I am liquidating at a greater rate now as our dollar is pegged to the US dollar, and although many Americans don't care - I care deeply about the dollar since I travel, move, partly live and spend larger amounts of money abroad, and with all due respect don't feel too great having what is a large amount [to me] stuck in US currency. I long dumped my actual cash out of the US dollar.

Plus, so my sibling - who is all uber geeky and Ivy League educated tells me - now is the time to buy some stocks, and my money would be better off there.

That said, I don't think for a split second the US will collapse, it won't - ever. But I have been on the negative end traveling with a weaker US dollar, and it really isn't too cute.

haha I'm sure Russia, England, China, Rome and just about every powerful country at one time thought the same thing.  America may not collapse tomorrow, or even in our lifetime.  But if we keep in the direction we are headed it will be here sooner rather than later.  I mean how can you even think for a second it could never happen?  The entire world economy is on the brink of something never seen in the history of the world.  Either you're naive or really don't grasp the seriousness of the situation.  With all due respect. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: big L dawg on February 09, 2009, 05:18:56 AM
Is there really such a thing as preparing for such an event???. I don't think anyone really is aware of what a TOTAL COLLAPSE would involve. Stocking up food??? water??? sanitation??? medical supplies and emergencies??? What TONNAGE of food would be necessary? and how long would this event take place? The 29 depression went on for years. The idea of hiding inside ones home for indefinite periods of time is ludicrous at best. Living in utter fear is worst as it promotes insecurities, violence and an inability to work as a community...suddenly everyone is suspicious to everyone. In all honesty I am not sure what a person could or should do as I don't think but a few are alive who lived through the depression who can tell how they coped. Cities are much bigger, alternative means of survival are much fewer, living off the land is nearly impossible given the speed of a collapse and the unpreparedness to adapt to rural lifestyles on a whim. A collapse would involve the loss of electricity, gas, phones, transportation and in particular hospitals. What would a society do? It would be catastrophic at best and uncivilized at the least. At best americans can only pray that it does NOT happen...

at best we can pray? :-\.yea ok....
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 05:19:36 AM
So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?

Looks like a lot of people saying it’s all going to fall apart.  Just in case, are you stocking up, if so what?  For how many months?  Generator?  Fuel? Food? Water?  What and how much, do tell.


Here is my plan so far:

1.  I have three SHTF duffle bags.  One at home, one at work, and one in the car.  I have everything I need in there for most scenarios and for three to five days of survival.  

2.  My friend owns a hunting store near me and I got everything I need before its banned that is still legal.  I am focusing on ammo mostly since i already have rifles, handguns, and a shotgun.

3.  Get water to last you at least a week.  Its cheap and stores well.

4.  I need to get canned food to stock up.

5.  Keep your cars filled with gas.

6.  Keep a stash of cash.

7.  Get a crank/solar radio that does not need battiers to operate.

  
Make  
  
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 05:21:24 AM
Paragraphs would be nice.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 05:27:40 AM
Samson is right in a lot of ways but also very wrong.  In a shit hits the fan scenario you have to look out for yourself and your family.  Le'ts face it .....we don't live in the 1920's and 1930's where people pretty much lived on farms for the most part or owned land.  The country was much more accessible etc.  There was much more a sense of community.  We are also much more reliant on other people for our ability to survive....i.e. grocery stores for food.......the city for clean water.  We also live in a much more dangerous world.  Lots of criminals and other people that just need that reason to become a criminal walking around our streets WITH guns.  If the economy collapses it will be MUCH rougher on the average person than any depression of the 30's.  The government will be out in droves patrolling and controlling everything.  Rioting, looting will happen on massive scale.  Don't think for a moment it wouldn't.  I mean come on..........look at the shit that happens on a daily basis when our society is INTACT! ??????????  There will be a lot of good people that wll band together and help each other........always have and always will be.  But we are talking something the likes we have never seen in the history of our country.  Lots of families and people lived off the grid so to speak in the 1930's.  Not true nowadays.  I mean shit I'd hate to be in a huge city when the SHTF.  You thought Katrin was bad????? Fuck LA and NYC would be fucking nightmares. 

I just laugh when I see all these stupid Hollywood people or other rich celebs on tv.  Their money won't mean shit in a economic collapse.  Nobody's will.  They'll be like every other joe struggling to survive. 
good post
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 09, 2009, 05:31:03 AM
Paragraphs would be nice.

333386 instead of canned food you should look into freeze dried backpacking type food or MREs.  Richmoor, BackPacker's Pantry, etc.  You can find some good deals on ebay.  They only require water and are a lot lighter than canned food.......i.e. very mobile they last for 5 years and taste way better than canned food.  They have shit like brownies, cinnamon rolls, Pad Thai?  LOL.    You can throw several in your bug out bags.  

This is a cool site www.mredepot.com 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 05:31:13 AM
Here is my plan so far:

1.  I have three SHTF duffle bags.  One at home, one at work, and one in the car.  I have everything I need in there for most scenarios and for three to five days of survival.  

2.  My friend owns a hunting store near me and I got everything I need before its banned that is still legal.  I am focusing on ammo mostly since i already have rifles, handguns, and a shotgun.

3.  Get water to last you at least a week.  Its cheap and stores well.

4.  I need to get canned food to stock up.

5.  Keep your cars filled with gas.

6.  Keep a stash of cash.

7.  Get a crank/solar radio that does not need battiers to operate.

  
Make  
  
not bad but sounds like more of a list for a natural disaster and not something that can go for months or more...
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 05:31:59 AM
some good advice in the thread, please keep it coming.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 09, 2009, 05:33:53 AM
not bad but sounds like more of a list for a natural disaster and not something that can go for months or more...

Yeah or something that can get him to where he needs to go in the short term.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 05:36:45 AM
333386 instead of canned food you should look into freeze dried backpacking type food or MREs.  Richmoor, BackPacker's Pantry, etc.  You can find some good deals on ebay.  They only require water and are a lot lighter than canned food.......i.e. very mobile they last for 5 years and taste way better than canned food.  They have shit like brownies, cinnamon rolls, Pad Thai?  LOL.    You can throw several in your bug out bags.  

This is a cool site www.mredepot.com 

Cool.  I will check it out. 

I am also thinking about learning about freshwater fishing.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: CQ on February 09, 2009, 05:39:33 AM
haha I'm sure Russia, England, China, Rome and just about every powerful country at one time thought the same thing.  America may not collapse tomorrow, or even in our lifetime.  But if we keep in the direction we are headed it will be here sooner rather than later.  I mean how can you even think for a second it could never happen?  The entire world economy is on the brink of something never seen in the history of the world.  Either you're naive or really don't grasp the seriousness of the situation.  With all due respect. 

I don't think it will collapse fully - as I seriously don't.

England isn't the empire builder it was no, and it may have "collapsed", but its still a great nation, offering a solid 1st world standard of living. Bear in mind, I think all this USA is the best is sheer arrogance not based on fact anyway.The best would be US, Canada, Oz, NZ, much of Europe, and a few of us down here IMO. All different, but great nations.

Many will line up to prop up the USA, as its a unique position - when they sneeze we all catch a cold.

My island, and the few other wealthy tax havens down here - will face disaster if the USA collapses. When I say disaster, I mean on a scale you can't comprehend. Ambulances - you know what ours are? Private jets to get us to the USA. My birth island is population 6,000. My island wont even show up on most maps. We are all tiny and cannot survive without the outside world, we are 95% dependent on it.

We are the most extreme case possible yes, but the US collapsing will affect the world - so the world will prop it up, and toss whatever cash they can at it. The US will flounder, go down and all sorts - but collapse - no.

So perhaps, I am naive, and obviously have a twisted view on things due to my locale being a place where those with money hide it - but I recall when I said the US dollar and economy would be trash way back, due to what I saw here, I got flamed to a crisp. I was right though, and I think I am right on this.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 09, 2009, 05:45:12 AM
1st world standard of living in England?????//.  Hahah when was the last time you went to London or traveled throughout England?  The English are more fed up with their government and economy/country than we are.  It's hardly a 1st world standard of living.  Like America it's becoming a third world country with the middle class being relegated to the rich and the poor.  You sound like you have money so maybe being middle class doesn't mean much to you.  But England is far from a 1st world country.  It's one of the most expensive countries in the world to live.  And let's not talk about their freedoms or lack thereof.

I don't know maybe you and I have a very different view of what a 1st world country is.  To me it's a country with the strongest middle class in the world..............aka America 40 years ago........the greatest amount of prosperity spread over the largest amount of people per their country.  England is a country of elites......much like the direction we are headed.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: 2ND COMING on February 09, 2009, 06:05:46 AM
I don't have shit to my name, literally.

 :-\

maybe 240 will let me borrow a pistol for the time being.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 09, 2009, 06:08:01 AM
I don't have shit to my name, literally.

 :-\

maybe 240 will let me borrow a pistol for the time being.

Hey bro......molotav cocktails are cheap and very effective  ::)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: 2ND COMING on February 09, 2009, 06:12:55 AM
Hey bro......molotav cocktails are cheap and very effective  ::)

its funny you mention mcocks..me and my buddies used to make em with news paper and toss em in to hempstead turnpike in broad fucking day light lmao. Those were the days....
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on February 09, 2009, 06:16:42 AM
its funny you mention mcocks..me and my buddies used to make em with news paper and toss em in to hempstead turnpike in broad fucking day light lmao. Those were the days....

The down trodden have used molotav cocktails against sophisticated armies for decades.........they are very effective. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 06:17:33 AM
its funny you mention mcocks..me and my buddies used to make em with news paper and toss em in to hempstead turnpike in broad fucking day light lmao. Those were the days....

No kidding.  I remember the Bronx back in the 80's and 90's on 4th of July.  It sounded like a war zone and it was great.  Now, you get caught with fireworks and your in jail.

Those were the days.  
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on February 09, 2009, 07:40:05 AM
Not to be defeatist Bindare, but you are doing or thinking of doing the very thing I wrote in my post above. You are living in FEAR, you are suspicious of everyone and because of that everyone will be suspicious of you and will (re)act accordingly. Thinking that guns will save you is ridiculous. I can see already that violence is you M.O. and working with or helping anyone else out will be out of the question as fear will have you believing that everyone you see is OUT TO GET YOU OR YOUR FOOD. While you have listed what seems to be a lot of food, I guarantee you it will be gone in NO TIME. Sadly the people who will go most ROGUE in society will be the police and the military. It will be immediate that they are robbing stores, people, communities and all for the sake of surviving (remember the cops during the Katrina hurricane). While a cabin on a lake seems secluded and safe...I guarantee you those secluded areas will be the first that people will go to (right after they hit the well to do neighborhoods) knowing that many have fled to such areas with supplies in hopes of avoiding the problems. Also have you ever lived in such seclusion? Is the water in the lake safe to drink? are the fish safe to eat? sadly many of these lakes and fish seem pristine (test the water), but are loaded with chemical runoff or poisoned in some other way. Taking a dip now and then or eating some fish while camping maybe fun once in a while, but doing it for a great length of time may expose you to harmful if not deadly toxins and the task of living in such silence (not even a radio) can bring about madness. I remember from history class that the homestead acts which paid people  to move west failed miserably for the new comers, because the isolation drove many insane and these people filled the insane asylums after being alone for extended periods of time. Again I am not being defeatist..just real. Ideally what you desire to do sounds great, but what one thinks about and what one does and the outcome can be dramatically different than what is expected....

The guns were for hunting food, just like the fishing rod. Im not living in fear, those are just things that are already at my fingertips for use, why not utilize them? I could survive in a cabin for a long time as long there are deer and fish, rabbits, etc... Chances of survival are way better up in the woods then in the city, there is TONS of free land, that's for sure.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: SAMSON123 on February 09, 2009, 08:11:38 AM
OK...it is Monday and so far so good. That does not mean the prophesy is false..... but so far so good. I was expecting to hear the market start out falling like crazy, but not yet so far. There unfortunately was a long list of business' mentioned that would most likely fail this year: RITEAID, CHRYSLER, SBARRO, SIX FLAGS,  SIRIUS SATELLITE, KRISPY KREME, TRUMP ENTERTAINMENT CASINOS, BLOCKBUSTERS etc etc etc and that is not good news either.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 08:23:13 AM
Preparing for the worst, hoping for the best:

Guns: 12 gauge tactical with 9 shot capacity, 45 calibre pistol, 22 calibre rifle (plenty of ammo for all)

Food: 600 pounds of rice, 200 pounds of pasta, 200 pounds oatmeal, 300 cans Chunky Soup, 600 cans of various other goodies, lots of spices, sugar, salt etc.

Water: No need to stockpile much of it where I live

Other Useful Items: Bear spray, nano masks, iodine tabs, Bible, knives


Get buying your stuff cuz soon your money is gonna be worthless.

Yeah, that Bible gonna come in handy.   ::)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 08:26:15 AM
Here is my plan so far:

1.  I have three SHTF duffle bags.  One at home, one at work, and one in the car.  I have everything I need in there for most scenarios and for three to five days of survival.  

2.  My friend owns a hunting store near me and I got everything I need before its banned that is still legal.  I am focusing on ammo mostly since i already have rifles, handguns, and a shotgun.

3.  Get water to last you at least a week.  Its cheap and stores well.

4.  I need to get canned food to stock up.

5.  Keep your cars filled with gas.

6.  Keep a stash of cash.

7.  Get a crank/solar radio that does not need battiers to operate.

  
Make  
  


Going along with a "what if" scenario is fine and dandy... but if you already have these items on hand... well  I am just amazed at your level of paranoia.  This pretty much screams LOSER persona.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hereford on February 09, 2009, 08:28:35 AM
Being prepared means you are a loser?

Wow.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 08:33:15 AM
Being prepared means you are a loser?

Wow.

Yeah.  Living under the belief that it is going to resemble some kind of zombie outbreak and you are going to use guns and weapons to take lives while "defending yourself". 

 ::)

I guess we can prepare for a post nuke type landscape or Mad Max future as well.  No electricity, no gasoline, etc..

Last time I saw "preparations" like this under way.. it was the simpletons thinking the Y2K was going to end to the world. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hereford on February 09, 2009, 08:39:22 AM
So you think the general populance isn't going to go absolutly ape-shit if things fell apart? Do you believe people won't kill you for nothing if they could get away with it, a la Katrina, LA '92. etc...
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on February 09, 2009, 08:40:28 AM
Yeah.  Living under the belief that it is going to resemble some kind of zombie outbreak and you are going to use guns and weapons to take lives while "defending yourself". 

 ::)

I guess we can prepare for a post nuke type landscape or Mad Max future as well.  No electricity, no gasoline, etc..

Last time I saw "preparations" like this under way.. it was the simpletons thinking the Y2K was going to end to the world. 

 I dare you to try and force your way into my shelter with that attitude when the shit hits the fan.  ;D
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 08:43:16 AM
So being prepared for looters, drug addicts, desperate people, shortages, is paranoia?

You have no idea what is coming buddy.  Dont say I did not warn you.  Check out the other post I listed about Gerald Celente and his track record and trends that are coming.

Listen to Schiff.  He called this one 1000% spot on and look at what he is saying now.

Look at how scared shit Obama is lately.  no more Hope and Change - just fear and doom.

He knows what is coming too.

Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Straw Man on February 09, 2009, 09:07:50 AM
So being prepared for looters, drug addicts, desperate people, shortages, is paranoia?

You have no idea what is coming buddy.  Dont say I did not warn you.  Check out the other post I listed about Gerald Celente and his track record and trends that are coming.

Listen to Schiff.  He called this one 1000% spot on and look at what he is saying now.

Look at how scared shit Obama is lately.  no more Hope and Change - just fear and doom.

He knows what is coming too.

Jeez man - shouldn't you just kill yourself now (jk)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 09:11:35 AM
Jeez man - shouldn't you just kill yourself now (jk)

Not at all.  Just prepared for anything and make plans accordingly. 

1.  Dont take on unnecessary debt.

2.  Pay off existing debts.

3.  Streamline and cut fat out of business.  For example, we just made a small switch in the office that saved us $150 a month on our phone bill.

4.  Save up supplies in case of an emergency. 


If you put your head in the sand that is fine, but if you want to realize just WTF is going on than you need to listen to the people who called 100000% the disaster we are facing, when all the other "trusted" voices did not.
 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Straw Man on February 09, 2009, 09:17:56 AM
I've probably got 300 cans of canned fish (salmon, tuna, sardines) in my house but I wasn't preparing for a doomsday scenario.  Just found some really good deals at high end product and stocked up. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 09:22:19 AM
Jeez man - shouldn't you just kill yourself now (jk)

For real.

Hang on... I got to head to Walmart and buy 3 bags to sit at home like some Ruby Ridge hillbilly or Waco fanatic preparing for the END OF DAYS cause we got a black man as President.

You better shut your mouff boy so you can use it for better purposes, like for instance clutching an extra dagger between your teeff so you can be "prepared" for when the electricity is gone, the water is gone, the last bit of food left is the family pet, and you got debt ridden looters at your door trying to get yo Season 3 Hee Haw DVD set.  

Gotta be prepared right.  Cause cities are going to burn, riots are going to break out and citizens are going to kill other's in "self defense" and never ever have to worry about the damn po-pos arresting them for murder.

Gotta have a real backwoodedmindfuck mentality to survive what's coming...
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 09:27:15 AM
Keep living in your fantasy world if you want.

There is nothing wrong with being prepared for SHTF situations.

All I am saying is that the same people who called this meltdown while others did not see it coming are saying other sorts of things as well.

You guys want to listen to the talking heads who dont know squat, fine, but I will at least consider those who have a proven track record of being accurate. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: headhuntersix on February 09, 2009, 09:32:25 AM
Its not going to happen like that..it will be a gradual erosion of rights and other things. The 3rd world will go to shit and the rest of us will gradually fall apart. I don't think for one minute that will happen but if it did, it would be gradual. If u guys are that worried u need to be doing more then stocking up, I'd start with this ridiculous bill before congress.

I'm not worried about it, I have very marketable skills in a post apocalpyse future.  ;D
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 09:34:25 AM
1.  Dont take on unnecessary debt.

2.  Pay off existing debts.



If the end is coming...wtf does debt matter anyway?   DUH!

But don't worry, I got my shitnz laid out too.  I got a stolen F250 in my garage.  Bought muhself 12 feet of logging chain out at Walmart.  Just as soon as that old radio man sez "it's on", I gonna head down and wrap that chain around my truck and the ATM and snatch that money purse off it's block take that sucker home with me.  You betcha!

Got 3 loaded guns in every room of the house and random mags of ammo stashed all over.  Got me a fresh garden out back that I just planted a few land mines in just in case those other survivors tries to steal muh tomato plants.  Got 10 gallons of water in every closet and every sink and bathtub in my house is full of sitting water.  

Got all my back issues of Survival Guide and Detective Magazine organized so I can reference them for advice at any given moment.

I been preparing for this moment reallllly good.  I gonna be disappointed if IT REALLY DON'T OCCUR.  AND NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTIVE LAUGH THAT THE INTELLECT MAINSTREAM POPULATION THROWS AT ME.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 09:37:26 AM
Its not going to happen like that..

Watch it dude.  You messing up this Eric and Dylan Wet Dream Fantasy of his. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 09:39:39 AM
Keep living in your fantasy world if you want.

There is nothing wrong with being prepared for SHTF situations.

All I am saying is that the same people who called this meltdown while others did not see it coming are saying other sorts of things as well.

You guys want to listen to the talking heads who dont know squat, fine, but I will at least consider those who have a proven track record of being accurate. 

When this doesn't come pass... and it won't. 

I am going to laugh and mock you on a daily basis for such obvious retardation.

Everybody wants to be a Rambo.   ::)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: headhuntersix on February 09, 2009, 09:45:09 AM
Because land mines are very easy to come by.....and yes lurker, we're appear to be agreeing on something.

Some here are looking at Katerina. U really need to look at what happened there. The response was pretty rapid. But was not coordinated correctly and made it appear to be a disaster. My unit had just returned from FT Polk, LA that Saturday before it hit. All we knew was there was a storm coming and hoped we could get out. 2 days later we were WARNO'd to move back over but that was cancelled because we were headed to Afghanistan. After that we were readied to go to the 2 other big storms that came in, but other units went because of our impending deployment. We learned rather quickly.

This will be gradual..think Children of Men or some of the other movies.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: headhuntersix on February 09, 2009, 09:46:21 AM
When this doesn't come pass... and it won't. 

I am going to laugh and mock you on a daily basis for such obvious retardation.

Everybody wants to be a Rambo.   ::)

No problem being overly cautious as long as people don't take a freak power outage as the END and start eating their neighbors.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 09:52:43 AM
When this doesn't come pass... and it won't. 

I am going to laugh and mock you on a daily basis for such obvious retardation.

Everybody wants to be a Rambo.   ::)

The 1992 Riots never happened?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: 240 is Back on February 09, 2009, 10:00:24 AM
The 1992 Riots never happened?

April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.

First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.

Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey!

(call fire, respond mobil station.
alamidos in Anahiem,
its uhh flamin up good.
10-4 Alamidos in Anaheim)

Never doin no time

When we returned to the pad to unload everything,
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings.
So once again we filled the van until it was full,
since that day my livin' room's been more comfortable.

Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here,
It's getting harder and harder and harder each and every year.

Some kids went in a store with thier mother,
I saw her when she came out she was gettin some pampers.

They said it was for the black man,
they said it was for the mexican,
and not for the white man.

But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King,
It's bout this fucked up situation and these fucked up police.
It's about coming up and staying on top
and screamin' 187 on a mother fuckin' cop.
It's not written on the paper it's on the wall.
National guard??!
Smoke from all around,

bo! bo! bo!

(units, units be advised there is an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 temple,
938 temple... 30 subjects with bags.. tryin to get inside the cb's house)

(as long as I'm alive, I'mma live illegal)

Let it burn, wanna let it burn,
wanna let it burn, wanna wanna let it burn

(I'm feelin' Sad and Blue)

Riots on the streets of Miami,
oh, Riots on the streets of Chicago,
oh, on the streets of Long Beach,
mmm, and San Francisco (Boise Idaho),
Riots on the streets of Kansas City
(Salt Lake, Hunnington Beach, CA),
Tuscalusa Alabama (Arcada Compton Mischigan),
Cleveland Ohio,
Fountain Valley (Texas, Barstow - Let's do this every year),
Paramount, Victorville (Twice a Year),
Eugene OR, Eureka CA (Let it burn, let it burn),
Hesperia (Oh, ya let it burn, wont'cha wont'cha let it burn),
Santa Barbara, Nevada, (let it burn)
Phoenix Arizona,
San Diego, Lakeland Florida, (let it burn)
fuckin... 29 Palms (wontcha let it burn)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: headhuntersix on February 09, 2009, 10:04:46 AM
Thanks for the Sublime interlude.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 10:10:22 AM
Not at all.  Just prepared for anything and make plans accordingly. 

1.  Dont take on unnecessary debt.

2.  Pay off existing debts.

3.  Streamline and cut fat out of business.  For example, we just made a small switch in the office that saved us $150 a month on our phone bill.

4.  Save up supplies in case of an emergency. 


If you put your head in the sand that is fine, but if you want to realize just WTF is going on than you need to listen to the people who called 100000% the disaster we are facing, when all the other "trusted" voices did not.
 

jk = just kidding
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 09, 2009, 10:11:04 AM
Its not going to happen like that..it will be a gradual erosion of rights and other things. The 3rd world will go to shit and the rest of us will gradually fall apart. I don't think for one minute that will happen but if it did, it would be gradual. If u guys are that worried u need to be doing more then stocking up, I'd start with this ridiculous bill before congress.

I'm not worried about it, I have very marketable skills in a post apocalpyse future.  ;D
shut it, you weren't invided to our panic party :D
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: headhuntersix on February 09, 2009, 10:14:05 AM
Thats ok....but I wil provide security.  ;D
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 10:30:40 AM
The 1992 Riots never happened?

So we have downgraded from nation wide ruin and disaster to a contained city riot?   ::)

People rioting because one ninny got his ass whupped by the cops isn't the same as what you are suggesting.  Thanks for amusing me with such a stretch.  Last I checked, during the 1992 riots, I still had electricity, running water, gasoline, and could use my credit card to call in Pizza Hut to visit my house within 20 minutes.

Yeah... Rodney King incident really sparked a survival of the fittest type scenario.   ::)

Look on the bright side, when this doesn't happen (and it won't)  it will mean that your season tickets to the Renaissance Festival will still be good.  And you can still get together Tuesday nights with your buddies to watch the A-Team on tv and play Dungeons and Dragons.

The only thing more amusing than such a thinly veiled display of retarded paranoia would be watching you trying to explain to a cop when he pulled you over why you had a walmart bag of "survival gear" in your car. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
Stay ignorant of facts if you like. 

Two years ago, would you have ever imagined the type of stuff that has happened as of late?

1 year ago, would you have imagined the nonsense going on right now?

I hope I am wrong, but the people who called this economic disaster 1 year before it happened were laughed at.  They were proven right.

Those same people are making similar predictions.  I am listening to them because they have a proven track record of being correct, you do not.


Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 10:40:30 AM
Because land mines are very easy to come by.....

They are.  And cheap too.  You can find them in any third world gift shop.  Heck, I bought mine off Ebay.  Got a good deal too.  Got more than I need really.  Though I suspect that when the "End" is here, and I have to make my last stand, I will be like the Terminator, Rambo, Hades and Pol Pot all rolled into one.  Flinging extra land mines at the incoming masses like Satanic Frisbees From Hell.  

I'm ready for this shitz.  Screw this waiting.  I'm going to shoot up a mall right now.  Cause that the type of mindframe we survivalist must have.  
 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 10:42:31 AM
Stay ignorant of facts if you like. 

Two years ago, would you have ever imagined the type of stuff that has happened as of late?

1 year ago, would you have imagined the nonsense going on right now?

I hope I am wrong, but the people who called this economic disaster 1 year before it happened were laughed at.  They were proven right.

Those same people are making similar predictions.  I am listening to them because they have a proven track record of being correct, you do not.




All cause we got a black Prez?  Why not come out and say it?

What people are you listening to?  Rush?  BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA

Hope you kept the receipts for all that Ramen Noodles, duct tape and crap.  Getting a refund make be some comfort to the stinging mockery I am going to do to you when this shit doesn't happen.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 10:43:43 AM
There were a lot of rich trust fund kids with your mentality whose parents invested with Madoff in my area that had their heads in the sand thinking they were set for life.  

In the blink of an eye, everything is gone.

Why do you think we as a nation are any different if we are not mindful of what is going on around us?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 10:45:27 AM
All cause we got a black Prez?  Why not come out and say it?

What people are you listening to?  Rush?  BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA

Hope you kept the receipts for all that Ramen Noodles, duct tape and crap.  Getting a refund make be some comfort to the stinging mockery I am going to do to you when this shit doesn't happen.

Obama is a shill for the banks buddy.  He is no different than Bush and only you moron libs who bought into the whole Hope and Change garbage think otherwise. 

TARP 2 coming next week. 

He is not black by the way.  He is 50% white, and the half that is black is 3/4 arab. 

That is another lie pushed by the MSM. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 10:48:42 AM
Oh my God... so it's going to be RICH WHITE KIDS WITH TRUST FUNDS that is coming to steal my tomato plants?  OMG!! OMG!!  With their white docksiders and green Lacoste tennis shirts.

The kids that never lifted a finger in their lives are going to swarm over the wall wielding tennis rackets and polo mallets and take my shit?  Oh Noez!!!  I figured they would have just crashed their BMW into the back of Spagos and took all the appetizers.  

OMG!!  If that is the case, I won't even need all these guns or landmines.  I only have to lay a chocolate bar out in the driveway and they will avoid my house out of fear of the chocolate giving them face pimples.

Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 10:57:52 AM
That was not my point and you know it fool. 

My point was that all things and situations can change on a moments notice, anything. 

Go read about how the civil war started.  People never thought Bull Run was going to turn into a blood bath.  Look at how that worked out.   

For you to be so naive and so blind to what is happening is probably fine for you.  Every generation of people say shit like "Oh, it wont happen to us."  That is my point.  At some point the SHTF whether you like it or not.   

This is not about Obama.  He will be the final nail in the coffin, but he did not cause what is happening. 

Wall Street robber barons and their compatriots in the government caused this.  Your buddies like Barney Frank, Schumer, Dodd, helped this along.  GWB helped this along. 

The government and wall street caused this mess.   
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 10:59:51 AM
Obama is a shill for the banks buddy.  He is no different than Bush and only you moron libs who bought into the whole Hope and Change garbage think otherwise. 

TARP 2 coming next week. 

He is not black by the way.  He is 50% white, and the half that is black is 3/4 arab. 

That is another lie pushed by the MSM. 



But... the neocons kept harping on about a "black man" and the "race" voters...  was that just propaganda?

Now we back to vague things like banks causing the next Nationwide Riots of 1992?   ::)

Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 11:01:47 AM


But... the neocons kept harping on about a "black man" and the "race" voters...  was that just propaganda?

Now we back to vague things like banks causing the next Nationwide Riots of 1992?   ::)



You are not even worth discussing things with, you are a fool.

My point is that it does not take much to set people off. 

What is going on now is far worse and is going to set a lot of people off. 

 

Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 11:04:49 AM
That was not my point and you know it fool. 

My point was that all things and situations can change on a moments notice, anything. 

Go read about how the civil war started.  People never thought Bull Run was going to turn into a blood bath.  Look at how that worked out.   

For you to be so naive and so blind to what is happening is probably fine for you.  Every generation of people say shit like "Oh, it wont happen to us."  That is my point.  At some point the SHTF whether you like it or not.   

This is not about Obama.  He will be the final nail in the coffin, but he did not cause what is happening. 

Wall Street robber barons and their compatriots in the government caused this.  Your buddies like Barney Frank, Schumer, Dodd, helped this along.  GWB helped this along. 

The government and wall street caused this mess.   

What is your point?  Do you even have one behind all that paranoia?

Bull Run was a deliberate army campaign.  Had nothing to do with SHTF?  What is that anyway?  Something like Survival Of The Fittest?  Please explain how that caused a nationwide riot or the need for American citizens in cities to arm themselves, dirupt businesses and barricade their doors.

Civil War?  War is war.  Are you saying a war is coming?  Again, just WHO are you listening to with these predictions?  Some guys in the back of Guns & Ammo For Conspiracy Theroists?  Is that it?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 11:06:23 AM
Fool?  I am not the one stocking up on canned goods, water, and ammo.  And worrying about saving money on my phone bill when the End Of Days come.

Again, 3rd time.... WHO are these people making these predictions?  I want to google them and see how they are telling people to arm themselves, stock up, prepare for riots.

WHO are they again?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 11:07:40 AM
Fool?  I am not the one stocking up on canned goods, water, and ammo.  And worrying about saving money on my phone bill when the End Of Days come.

Again, 3rd time.... WHO are these people making these predictions?  I want to google them and see how they are telling people to arm themselves, stock up, prepare for riots.

WHO are they again?

Peter Schiff, Gerald Celente, Nouriel Roubini to start with.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 11:08:40 AM
Peter Schiff, Gerald Celente, Nouriel Roubini to start with.

Be right back... will try to find links where they are telling people to behave this way.

(unless you have those links handy)
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Straw Man on February 09, 2009, 11:09:05 AM
April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.

First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.

Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey!

(call fire, respond mobil station.
alamidos in Anahiem,
its uhh flamin up good.
10-4 Alamidos in Anaheim)

Never doin no time

When we returned to the pad to unload everything,
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings.
So once again we filled the van until it was full,
since that day my livin' room's been more comfortable.

Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here,
It's getting harder and harder and harder each and every year.

Some kids went in a store with thier mother,
I saw her when she came out she was gettin some pampers.

They said it was for the black man,
they said it was for the mexican,
and not for the white man.

But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King,
It's bout this fucked up situation and these fucked up police.
It's about coming up and staying on top
and screamin' 187 on a mother fuckin' cop.
It's not written on the paper it's on the wall.
National guard??!
Smoke from all around,

bo! bo! bo!

(units, units be advised there is an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 temple,
938 temple... 30 subjects with bags.. tryin to get inside the cb's house)

(as long as I'm alive, I'mma live illegal)

Let it burn, wanna let it burn,
wanna let it burn, wanna wanna let it burn

(I'm feelin' Sad and Blue)

Riots on the streets of Miami,
oh, Riots on the streets of Chicago,
oh, on the streets of Long Beach,
mmm, and San Francisco (Boise Idaho),
Riots on the streets of Kansas City
(Salt Lake, Hunnington Beach, CA),
Tuscalusa Alabama (Arcada Compton Mischigan),
Cleveland Ohio,
Fountain Valley (Texas, Barstow - Let's do this every year),
Paramount, Victorville (Twice a Year),
Eugene OR, Eureka CA (Let it burn, let it burn),
Hesperia (Oh, ya let it burn, wont'cha wont'cha let it burn),
Santa Barbara, Nevada, (let it burn)
Phoenix Arizona,
San Diego, Lakeland Florida, (let it burn)
fuckin... 29 Palms (wontcha let it burn)


great song and great album
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 11:10:10 AM
Be right back... will try to find links where they are telling people to behave this way.

(unless you have those links handy)

I posted one about Gerald Celente today.  Go check it out. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 11:20:20 AM
All I find on Peter Schiff deals with dollar devaluation.  Nothing about End of Day scenario when looters and armed hillbillys roam the streets.

Gerald Celente - well this pretty much says it all about this dude

On November 14, 2008, Celente appeared on Fox Business Network and predicted economic depression, tax rebellions, food riots, and more concern for buying food than Christmas presents by 2012 in the United States.[1][12] Celente also has predicted in his Top Trends of 2009 newsletter that governments across the country would be squeezing the little guy for every last dime wherever it could.

Celente also predicts in 2009 and beyond food-producing gardens will become common on people's lawns, as resources generally become more scarce. Celente says to escape the mood of economic depression people will be delighting in entertainment and alcohol. Other predictions for 2009 and beyond include a possible revolutionary advance in renewable energy technologies, miracle cures from stem cell research, a shift toward holistic healing practices and a crash of the overpriced college-industrial complex.

rush predicted riots too... even encouraged them...  so far.  Nothing.

Nouriel Roubini a.k.a Dr Doom?  I am not even looking up someone with a name like that.  Pretty easy to guess what they will predict.

I'm really going to feel bad for you if this McGuyver fantasy doesn't come to pass for you.

Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 11:25:07 AM
These guys are proven 1000000000000% correct and you still ignore it.  amazing.

Keep your head in the sand fool. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: big L dawg on February 09, 2009, 11:33:50 AM
I'd rather have it and not need it...than need it and not have it.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 11:37:18 AM
I'd rather have it and not need it...than need it and not have it.

My point exactly.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Straw Man on February 09, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
These guys are proven 1000000000000% correct and you still ignore it.  amazing.

Keep your head in the sand fool. 

Doesn't Schiff think Gold is going to 2000 oz. this year

I'm assume you're on board for that sure thing too
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
Doesn't Schiff think Gold is going to 2000 oz. this year

I'm assume you're on board for that sure thing too

If the dollar collapses as many are predicting due to inflation if definately will go way up.  I dont know how high, but it was 200 an ounce only a few years ago.

Do me a favor, seriously, go to Celente's youtube channel and listen to the interview, 

This guy is not a crackpot at all.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: big L dawg on February 09, 2009, 11:43:14 AM


Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Straw Man on February 09, 2009, 11:51:28 AM
If the dollar collapses as many are predicting due to inflation if definately will go way up.  I dont know how high, but it was 200 an ounce only a few years ago.

Do me a favor, seriously, go to Celente's youtube channel and listen to the interview, 

This guy is not a crackpot at all.

I didn't say Schiff was a crackpot

I asked if you think he's 1000% correct then you'd be crazy not to invest in gold even if you have to borrow $$$ to do it.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 12:18:11 PM
I didn't say Schiff was a crackpot

I asked if you think he's 1000% correct then you'd be crazy not to invest in gold even if you have to borrow $$$ to do it.


Listen to the interview and tel me what you disagree with. 

Also, I am not borrowing anything.

I am focusing on paying off a the few balances on CC I have, streamlining my business as much as possible to save costs.   

I am also hitting the pavement old school for new clients and getting more business.  Face to face, person to person, that is what people want. 

I am not hiding on the basement or anything, but bing realistic that we are not going back to 2006 any time soon.   
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Straw Man on February 09, 2009, 12:43:18 PM
Listen to the interview and tel me what you disagree with. 

Also, I am not borrowing anything.

I am focusing on paying off a the few balances on CC I have, streamlining my business as much as possible to save costs.   

I am also hitting the pavement old school for new clients and getting more business.  Face to face, person to person, that is what people want. 

I am not hiding on the basement or anything, but bing realistic that we are not going back to 2006 any time soon.   

I have not time now to listen to an interview.

My only point was that if you believe these guys (specifally Schiff) are infallible then you should be borrowing money to buy gold.  It's a "sure thing".
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 09, 2009, 12:44:09 PM
OMG now I am really concerned that zombified American trust fund babies are going to be coming after my gold.  Which I buried under my garden.  Under the land mines.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 09, 2009, 12:49:33 PM
OMG now I am really concerned that zombified American trust fund babies are going to be coming after my gold.  Which I buried under my garden.  Under the land mines.

Listen to the damn interview and get back to me.  Tell me specifically what you disagree with.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hereford on February 10, 2009, 09:03:58 AM
Its not going to happen like that..it will be a gradual erosion of rights and other things. The 3rd world will go to shit and the rest of us will gradually fall apart. I don't think for one minute that will happen but if it did, it would be gradual. If u guys are that worried u need to be doing more then stocking up, I'd start with this ridiculous bill before congress.

I'm not worried about it, I have very marketable skills in a post apocalpyse future.  ;D

You're still letting me drive the panzer, right?   :D
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 10, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
I'd rather have it and not need it...than need it and not have it.
boom... exactly.

as I see it now, the situtation is kind of like the USGS telling a town near a volcano that it could blow up but they don't know when and having the people who have some travel bags with a few supplies packed and full tank in the car told they're living in fear.   ::)

I absolutely don't see having some backup shit incase it blows apart as living in fear.  If anything, you're not living in fear because you have some backup plans.  If some did have fear, that's what would ease it.  plus it's just smart.  Why should we have faith in these assclowns running the show?  How many times over the last few hundred years have bankers fucked everyone royally?  What, it can't happen now because they're so much better?  Hell no, those fuckers did the shit on purpose before, they'll do it again. 
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Fury on February 10, 2009, 01:29:16 PM
Where's that massive collapsed everyone was GUARANTEEING who would happen on Monday?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 10, 2009, 01:30:48 PM
Where's that massive collapsed everyone was GUARANTEEING who would happen on Monday?


400 points today buddy!
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Parker on February 10, 2009, 01:55:59 PM
So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?

Looks like a lot of people saying it’s all going to fall apart.  Just in case, are you stocking up, if so what?  For how many months?  Generator?  Fuel? Food? Water?  What and how much, do tell.


Saturday, I saw two brand new Aston AMV8's (Montgomery Co, MD), one was a convert, the other a coupe. All in 5 minutes. At the Starbucks at my Apt complex I saw a Lotus Elise. And I have spotted a Ferrari 599 GTB a few weeks back...

Total collapse...naw...just a figment of a overactive imagination.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: big L dawg on February 10, 2009, 01:57:29 PM
Saturday, I saw two brand new Aston AMV8's (Montgomery Co, MD), one was a convert, the other a coupe. All in 5 minutes. At the Starbucks at my Apt complex I saw a Lotus Elise. And I have spotted a Ferrari 599 GTB a few weeks back...

Total collapse...naw...just a figment of a overactive imagination.

and you base your analysis on some cars you saw...WOW?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hereford on February 10, 2009, 02:07:26 PM
The welfares that live next door have two new SUVs.

They must be finally working and making a KILLING in this economy, eh?


Fancy cars doesn't mean jack. Anyone can get any car (at least temporarily) by signing a few papers.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 10, 2009, 04:03:48 PM
Saturday, I saw two brand new Aston AMV8's (Montgomery Co, MD), one was a convert, the other a coupe. All in 5 minutes. At the Starbucks at my Apt complex I saw a Lotus Elise. And I have spotted a Ferrari 599 GTB a few weeks back...

Total collapse...naw...just a figment of a overactive imagination.
lol... huh :-\
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: grab an umbrella on February 10, 2009, 04:12:25 PM
lol... huh :-\

Holy shit Hugo is making some intelligent comments in this thread.  Hugo have you been smoking?
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: 240 is Back on February 10, 2009, 05:12:42 PM

400 points today buddy!

1 day late, and only 400 points? 

yeah, the dude on the video declared $ would be toilet paper yesterday.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 10, 2009, 05:21:43 PM
Holy shit Hugo is making some intelligent comments in this thread.  Hugo have you been smoking?
lol, are you saying you agree with people when they're stoned :D
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Fury on February 10, 2009, 05:28:39 PM
1 day late, and only 400 points? 

yeah, the dude on the video declared $ would be toilet paper yesterday.

Hugo had a "bad feeling" about yesterday.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 10, 2009, 05:33:11 PM
Hugo had a "bad feeling" about yesterday.
I'm not happy about the whole fucking mess we're in, big fucking deal...
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Fury on February 10, 2009, 06:05:30 PM
I'm not happy about the whole fucking mess we're in, big fucking deal...

Don't try to pussy foot around it. You said you had a "bad feeling" about yesterday specifically. More failed conspiracy theory bullshit from you. Why try to back pedal now?  ???
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 10, 2009, 06:34:16 PM
Don't try to pussy foot around it. You said you had a "bad feeling" about yesterday specifically. More failed conspiracy theory bullshit from you. Why try to back pedal now?  ???

Dude, these things cant be timed to the day.

We are heading off the damn cliff whether you see it or not.   
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Fury on February 10, 2009, 07:34:43 PM
Dude, these things cant be timed to the day.

We are heading off the damn cliff whether you see it or not.   

All of you were ranting about how that clown was 100% accurate in his predictions. You all even woke up Monday morning talking about how you had "bad feelings" and that it was surely the day the dollar would collapse. Two days later and a mere 381 point dip in the Dow and it's still kicking. Conspiracy theory loses AGAIN.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 10, 2009, 08:36:26 PM
Don't try to pussy foot around it. You said you had a "bad feeling" about yesterday specifically. More failed conspiracy theory bullshit from you. Why try to back pedal now?  ???
idiot ::)  am I the one that brought all the vids saying doom was coming this week?  There is nothing wrong with this thread or the words I used here.  The only thing wrong is your lame attempt to get a meltdown out of me.  embarrased after your pathetic crybaby fail?  You kind of p'wned yourself with that, don't blame me.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: War-Horse on February 10, 2009, 09:15:29 PM
Hey the fed just printed a couple trillion dollars hot off the press.   It should be circulating soon!!      Once this flood of money starts circulating then our dollar will be worth less than the paper its on.     This will catch up and grab us by the neck.

You think china wants to buy some more money from us??  Just lost billions?.......you bet your ass theyll start looking for somewhere else to invest.   You think they cant afford to lose us as a consumption society??   Wisen up....we arent buying lately and they know it.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 18, 2010, 02:31:12 PM
bump, found the thread 3333.

Ha ha.  Good find.  Actually, I am glad I sured up a lot of stuff last winter.  A few more items and I am good to go for at least a month or two.  

I agree with war horse in the post.  The govt bought more time, but basically put off a larger collapse.  However, I heard a good clip on DU ironically that the govt basically transferred the majorproblems from the banks' balance sheets to the taxpayers balance sheet with what they did. 

Sadly, in reading the book I told you about, this has all been planned and done before, now we are in for a soverign debt crisis instead.    
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Parker on January 18, 2010, 03:06:24 PM
So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?

Looks like a lot of people saying it’s all going to fall apart.  Just in case, are you stocking up, if so what?  For how many months?  Generator?  Fuel? Food? Water?  What and how much, do tell.

The problem with Americans or this thinking is that it is inevitable, and cannot be prevented. Americans tend to take a ball-less, non-proactive stance to lifestyle, America and life in general. Sad, that were a country that prides itself from driving away the Brits, being proactive in our endeavor, going to the moon, civil rights, etc. Now on the celebration of MLK, we sit here waiting for others to stand up for us. Waiting foe things to fall apart, just waiting. Malcolm X in a scathing speeach about the Sit-INS had said, "a old woman can sit..." that is what has happened to the American spirit, it's akin to a old woman sitting. Any body can sitvand wait. But Americans are too scared to be leaders, rather be the sheep that they have been conditioned to be.

Funny how we can get on the phone and yell and curse until our cable gets cut back on. Or we can complain to the Electric company when there is a power outage, but when it comes to America going downhill, we say nothing, but blame everybody else but ourselves, like a fat person who doesn't blame their own lack of self control and poor eating habits for their weight gain.
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Skip8282 on January 18, 2010, 03:53:51 PM
The problem with Americans or this thinking is that it is inevitable, and cannot be prevented. Americans tend to take a ball-less, non-proactive stance to lifestyle, America and life in general.

...But Americans are too scared to be leaders, rather be the sheep that they have been conditioned to be.



I disagree.  First, there needs to be an actual valid threat of total collapse.  I can remember in '98-99 being told that 2000 was the end.  Then in 2000 I was told that it wasn't the "real" millennium, so 2001 was the end.  Then when the whole Florida recount shit went down, that was supposed to be the end.  More recently the signing of Copenhagen was supposed to be the end.  In the middle of this current year, a prominent Russian economist is predicting this will be the end of the United States.


IT'S FUCKING OLD ALREADY.  Are we supposed to rise up everytime someone cries it's the end?  Gimme a break...


As for this country going "downhill", I think you would probably find a lot of people will agree with you.  What I don't think you'll find is a lot of people agreeing on why it's going downhill or what the correct remedies should be.

Fear of leadership isn't the issue, IMO.  Knowing which direction to lead the country in, especially a divisive melting pot such as this one, is the real challenge.

Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: SAMSON123 on January 18, 2010, 05:37:34 PM
So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?

Looks like a lot of people saying it’s all going to fall apart.  Just in case, are you stocking up, if so what?  For how many months?  Generator?  Fuel? Food? Water?  What and how much, do tell.


It may have taken a little longer than expected but it seems america and the world sits on this precipice as we speak...

If people have been preparing for what is now considered the inevitable... does it seem like you have prepared enough? have enough food? have enough survival skills? have thought about living without electricity, water, sanitation etc? It may seem odd, but an economic collapse bring all of these things and more...and since no one has really been around to experience these things since the last depression...how does one cope???
Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 18, 2010, 05:54:42 PM
It may have taken a little longer than expected but it seems america and the world sits on this precipice as we speak...

If people have been preparing for what is now considered the inevitable... does it seem like you have prepared enough? have enough food? have enough survival skills? have thought about living without electricity, water, sanitation etc? It may seem odd, but an economic collapse bring all of these things and more...and since no one has really been around to experience these things since the last depression...how does one cope???

I like this site samson

www.survivalblog.com

Title: Re: So who is preparing or prepared for the total collapse?
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 18, 2010, 07:37:46 PM
It may have taken a little longer than expected but it seems america and the world sits on this precipice as we speak...

If people have been preparing for what is now considered the inevitable... does it seem like you have prepared enough? have enough food? have enough survival skills? have thought about living without electricity, water, sanitation etc? It may seem odd, but an economic collapse bring all of these things and more...and since no one has really been around to experience these things since the last depression...how does one cope???
way easier in the country than the city.