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Thoughts?
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Pics or it didn't happen.
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Nassoil looking good. Both of his wonky eyes are pointing approximately to the same direction.
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Thoughts?
Looks Kamaliesque.
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total wreck .. why put synthol in his shoulders..
when they already made his arms look small???
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looking great, did he place top 3 that year?
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looking great, did he place top 3 that year?
ahahaha "looking great"... ahahahahaha
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hahah what a complete joke, he looks like shit.
maybe he just forgot to diet, or just thought loading synthol in his shoulders would be enough..
whata fucken oil bag loser.. o by the way he beats up on women
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Bigbobs, do you think that Nasser should get a free pass in years he competed that weren't between 1995 and 1999?
It's about a bodybuilders ENTIRE body of work, not just contest you pick and choose.
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looking great, did he place top 3 that year?
Come on "jt," we're schmoe bros and all, but you can't honestly think that he looks great there. :-\
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looking great, did he place top 3 that year?
Top 3 in biggest Oil Trader yes.
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Nassoil looking good. Both of his wonky eyes are pointing approximately to the same direction.
;D ;D
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Nasser looking massive there!
The "delts" issue has already been discussed many times. It was not synthol in there, but accumulated scar tissue - this was also confirmed by the expert Dante right here in the G&O board a while back.
And relentless like I said Nasser's legacy is untouched by his last few shows. Once you achieve legendary status you can do anything and place any which way and you are still a legend. For example, Samir Bannout trying to make a comeback and not placing well did not take away from his legendary status. If Ronnie Coleman continues to compete for years and falls out of the top 10 or even if he starts to look worse than Kovacs he is still 8 time Mr. Olympia and nothing can take away from that.
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Bigbobs, do you think that Nasser should get a free pass in years he competed that weren't between 1995 and 1999?
It's about a bodybuilders ENTIRE body of work, not just contest you pick and choose.
BTW he placed 5th in 2000, not sure why you're cutting off your range at 1999
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The "delts" issue has already been discussed many times. It was not synthol in there, but accumulated scar tissue - this was also confirmed by the expert Dante right here in the G&O board a while back.
yes because dante is known to be a truthtelling person on getbig ::)
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Nasser looking massive there!
The "delts" issue has already been discussed many times. It was not synthol in there, but accumulated scar tissue - this was also confirmed by the expert Dante right here in the G&O board a while back.
And relentless like I said Nasser's legacy is untouched by his last few shows. Once you achieve legendary status you can do anything and place any which way and you are still a legend. For example, Samir Bannout trying to make a comeback and not placing well did not take away from his legendary status. If Ronnie Coleman continues to compete for years and falls out of the top 10 or even if he starts to look worse than Kovacs he is still 8 time Mr. Olympia and nothing can take away from that.
You are comparing Nasser to men who have won the Olympia; Nasser did not. Nasser was a very bright star, but it was for a very short time. Nasser is one of the all time greats, but there are many others from the 90s who outshone Nasser.
Flex Wheeler
Kevin Levrone
Ronnie Coleman
Shawn Ray
Chris Cormier (Im on the fence about including him, but I will anyway)
Dorian Yates
Nasser was able to win the Arnold and place 2nd at the Olympia, but all of these men save Chris Cormier have more impressive resumes.
Your idolatry of Nasser leads me to believe you are a champion of the disillusioned.
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BTW he placed 5th in 2000, not sure why you're cutting off your range at 1999
Yes, he placed 5th in 2000, but he still looked off his top form. If you want to include that as one of his better years, then fine.
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You are comparing Nasser to men who have won the Olympia; Nasser did not. Nasser was able to win the Arnold and place 2nd at the Olympia, but all of these men save Chris Cormier have more impressive resumes.
Point is when someone has earned legendary status, future placings do not have any negative bearing on that. Doesn't matter if a Mr. Olympia title was given or not (and in his case should have been given).
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Flex Wheeler
Kevin Levrone
Ronnie Coleman
Shawn Ray
Chris Cormier (Im on the fence about including him, but I will anyway)
Dorian Yates
Nasser was able to win the Arnold and place 2nd at the Olympia, but all of these men save Chris Cormier have more impressive resumes.
Your idolatry of Nasser leads me to believe you are a champion of the disillusioned.
Far from it. Your list contains FIVE Americans and one Anglo-Saxon Englishman. For Nasser to match and surpass most of those resumes is a stunning achievement.
Nasser the Slavic/Egyptian European with his Arabic name to come do what he did in such a biased sport is truly fucking amazing.
If he was an American , particularly a white American, with a name like Jack Williams , he would have won about 4 Olympias and 3 Arnold classics.
Wake and smell the coffee.
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Point is when someone has earned legendary status, future placings do not have any negative bearing on that. Doesn't matter if a Mr. Olympia title was given or not (and in his case should have been given).
It is a desperate measure on their part. Faced with Nasser's clear brilliance they resort to a silly argument.
It's like arguing that Ali was not a great fighter because he fought some bad opponents and lost some fights at the very end of his career.
Stinks of absolute desperation.
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If he was an American , particularly a white American, with a name like Jack Williams , he would have won about 4 Olympias and 3 Arnold classics.
Wake and smell the coffee.
QFT.
And for the record Nasser also argues that Markus Ruhl and Milos Sarcev would have placed better than they did had they been American or on friendlier terms with the judging panel. Even though Nasser does not see eye to eye with Milos he can give praise where it's due - a trait of a class act.
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It is a desperate measure on their part. Faced with Nasser's clear brilliance they resort to a silly argument.
It's like arguing that Ali was not a great fighter because he fought some bad opponents and lost some fights at the very end of his career.
Stinks of absolute desperation.
x2. Great example.
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Point is when someone has earned legendary status, future placings do not have any negative bearing on that. Doesn't matter if a Mr. Olympia title was given or not (and in his case should have been given).
I think that is very subjective. While Mohammad Ali, Joe Montana, Michael Jordan and others did not tarnish their legacy, there are also some people in sports who DID tarnish their legacy by attempting a comeback or continuing on past their prime. Nasser was not at the top of his sport like Ronnie was for so long.
It's not like Nasser did what Flex Wheeler did and just compete in a show or two, then retire. By the way, Flex finished 7th at the 2002 Olympia and 3rd at his last contest (2003 Ironman). Nasser continued to compete even when he had no chance of placing well or even looking respectable onstage.
Not only that, but the way Nasser looked was beyond awful. He was a watery, fat, lumpy mess. It wasn't like he still sported great shape and size...he looked HORRIBLE.
Stop the lovefest with Nasser. If you were at least Nasser's lover or boyfriend, I would have respect that you were standing by your man. However, it seems are you just obsessed with the guy and continue on with this ridiculous drivel of how he was the greatest.
NO ONE is buying what you are trying to sell, bigbobs.
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Far from it. Your list contains FIVE Americans and one Anglo-Saxon Englishman. For Nasser to match and surpass most of those resumes is a stunning achievement.
Nasser the Slavic/Egyptian European with his Arabic name to come do what he did in such a biased sport is truly fucking amazing.
If he was an American , particularly a white American, with a name like Jack Williams , he would have won about 4 Olympias and 3 Arnold classics.
Wake and smell the coffee.
You are going to the race card now? Pathetic!
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It is a desperate measure on their part. Faced with Nasser's clear brilliance they resort to a silly argument.
It's like arguing that Ali was not a great fighter because he fought some bad opponents and lost some fights at the very end of his career.
Stinks of absolute desperation.
Nasser compared with Ali? That's not a logical comparison. Ali reached the very heights of greatness and defeated many worthy opponents in dramatic battles. Nasser's closest brush with the top of his sport was a 2nd place at the 1997 Olympia. I DO BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT CONTEST. But guess what? He didn't.
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I think that is very subjective.
Exactly - you think Nasser did not achieve legendary status - I do. Live with it and move on. Or we can slug like Hulkster and ND for years :)
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Nasser at his prime was better than anyone in the 90's.
The judges placed Flex above him a few times even though Flex was narrow, had no lats, calf implants, over-proportionate shoulders and arms. Otherwise, they still fairly placed Nasser above him at the 95 Olympia, 96 Olympia, and would have in 97 (but Flex lied that he got attacked by Ninjas and beat them up)
Levrone could not beat Nasser in his prime (lost to him in 96 O, 97 O, and 98 O, as well as a few Arnold Classics during those years including 99). Levrone was placed higher in 95 by one placing but that was unfair.
Same with Ray (lost in 95, won 96 but unfairly, lost 97, 98 and I think at least one AC)
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Exactly - you think Nasser did not achieve legendary status - I do. Live with it and move on. Or we can slug like Hulkster and ND for years :)
I do think Nasser was a great bodybuilder and appreciate the physique he brought to the stage during a 4-5 year period. However, its a damn shame Nasser demeaned himself be continuing to compete way past his prime. He ABUSED his body with drugs and became a shell of his former self. Does Nasser admit that taking insulin or any other sort of chemical was a mistake? bigbobs, you have given numerous BS responses as to why Nasser went downhill so quickly, but what is the real reason why he fell off and looked so crappy from 2000 onwards?
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Nasser at his prime was better than anyone in the 90's.
The judges placed Flex above him a few times even though Flex was narrow, had no lats, calf implants, over-proportionate shoulders and arms. Otherwise, they still fairly placed Nasser above him at the 95 Olympia, 96 Olympia, and would have in 97 (but Flex lied that he got attacked by Ninjas and beat them up)
Levrone could not beat Nasser in his prime (lost to him in 96 O, 97 O, and 98 O, as well as a few Arnold Classics during those years including 99). Levrone was placed higher in 95 by one placing but that was unfair.
Same with Ray (lost in 95, won 96 but unfairly, lost 97, 98 and I think at least one AC)
Very few people agree with you bigbobs. Nasser only won ONE major contest (at the 1999 Arnold)...and Kevin Levrone was a very debatable second place!
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I do think Nasser was a great bodybuilder and appreciate the physique he brought to the stage during a 4-5 year period. However, its a damn shame Nasser demeaned himself be continuing to compete way past his prime. He ABUSED his body with drugs and became a shell of his former self. Does Nasser admit that taking insulin or any other sort of chemical was a mistake? bigbobs, you have given numerous BS responses as to why Nasser went downhill so quickly, but what is the real reason why he fell off and looked so crappy from 2000 onwards?
Nasser does not feel it's a "damn shame" that he continued competing - only you and a few haters do. Nasser has already addressed why his placings dropped (and I've given even more detail in some of my posts, detail which came straight from the man himself). You can chose to be in denial and not believe it all you want, but that will not result in me making up any other reasons to entertain you.
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Very few people agree with you bigbobs. Nasser only won ONE major contest (at the 1999 Arnold)...and Kevin Levrone was a very debatable second place!
He won the NOC too, and certain Grand Prix shows. And he would have won more sans the IFBB politics.
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the 1997 Olympia. I DO BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE WON THAT CONTEST. But guess what? He didn't.
So you admit that he should have won but can't understand why fans of Nasser, actually fans of integrity in the sport, are still angry about it? This was a man's life, his career, everything condensed into this one moment and he was totally fucking screwed over.
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So you admit that he should have won but can't understand why fans of Nasser, actually fans of integrity in the sport, are still angry about it? This was a man's life, his career, everything condensed into this one moment and he was totally fucking screwed over.
I admit, it would be a tough pill to swallow, but such is life. Nasser was not the only man to be screwed out of the Olympia. Shawn and Kevin also finished second (both more than Nasser) and continued on with their careers in top form.
Bodybuilding is almost pure subjectivity - screw jobs happen.
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Bodybuilding is almost pure subjectivity - screw jobs happen.
To an extent, however you would never justify an extremely ridiculous judging decision (just as you can never justify an NPC junior beating a top Olympia contender) even when trying to cling to the "subjectivity" argument. Such was the case with with Nasser in some years (particularly 97 Olympia and 94 NOC)
94 could have gone to Ray and 92 could have gone to Levrone, but it was not as silly as 97 going to Yates.
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Nasser does not feel it's a "damn shame" that he continued competing - only you and a few haters do. Nasser has already addressed why his placings dropped (and I've given even more detail in some of my posts, detail which came straight from the man himself). You can chose to be in denial and not believe it all you want, but that will not result in me making up any other reasons to entertain you.
The only denial going on here is with you contending that Nasser was the greatest bodybuilder of the 90s. You couldn't be any more wrong. Ronnie in 1998 and 1999 would DESTROY any version of Nasser. Nasser is not in the same league as Ronnie. You can debate Nasser V Yates, Nasser V Levrone, but if you want to debate peak condition, Nasser is OWNED by Ronnie.
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To an extent, however you would never justify an extremely ridiculous judging decision (just as you can never justify an NPC junior beating a top Olympia contender) even when trying to cling to the "subjectivity" argument. Such was the case with with Nasser in some years (particularly 97 Olympia and 94 NOC)
Im not going to disagree with you about the 1997 Olympia; Nasser should have won that show.
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Im not going to disagree with you that Nasser should have won the Olympia 3 times (at least)
Great, so we agree and can move on :)
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Levrone was 2nd in the Mr. Olympia 4 times and won 2 Arnold Classics. That speaks for itself.
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Im not going to disagree with you about the 1997 Olympia; Nasser should have won that show.
Then I think you're half way to realizing why people support Nasser still to this day and shall continue to. Nasser began to lose a little bit of motivation every year after that. Had he been given his Olympia (and I actually think he should already have had 1 or possibly 2 by then) then it would have been the start of a great era for him.
Also bodybuilding missed the chance to not only put the winners medal around the right neck but they missed the chance to have an aspirational Mr Olympia with intelligence and sophistication.
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Point is when someone has earned legendary status, future placings do not have any negative bearing on that. Doesn't matter if a Mr. Olympia title was given or not (and in his case should have been given).
exactly!
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Far from it. Your list contains FIVE Americans and one Anglo-Saxon Englishman. For Nasser to match and surpass most of those resumes is a stunning achievement.
Nasser the Slavic/Egyptian European with his Arabic name to come do what he did in such a biased sport is truly fucking amazing.
If he was an American , particularly a white American, with a name like Jack Williams , he would have won about 4 Olympias and 3 Arnold classics.
Wake and smell the coffee.
another brilliant post from Sharma
spot on as always!
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Not in his best form, but in 02 it was kind of the decline for Nassars competitive career. He was still a big dude, but his best days were behind him, it happens to every pro. Age occurs and the body doesn't respond like it used to. He had a good run and a good career, it was time to retire. I'm sure he felt that way.
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whats with all the nasser love, he looks like a bloated piece of shit in that photo..
He was never good enought o win the MR O title and has been complaining about it ever since,
What kind of pathetic man has been crying about the same thing for over 10 years now. Ita just really sad that he spends all day on his computer trying to convince others out there who have forgotten about him a long time ago that he once look half decent.. (i dont agree i think he looked like shit his whole carreer, but thats a different story)..
The synthol looks terrible, and no it isn't scar tissue, he wont even man up and say that he used oil. And there are many other photo's to prove it..
Nasser i actually pity u stop living in the past and grow up..
OH YES AND STOP SELLING YOUR USED UNDERWEAR TO DIRTY SCHMOES LIKE BIGBOBS AND SHARMA,
or are they the same person, i cant keep track anymore
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selling used undies, beating up women, shooting synthol & being generally despised doesn't make Nasser a legend.
No one in the bodybuilding community considers your joke of an idol a "legend".
You should wake up and smell the falafels. Nasshole bought your friendship.
And relentless like I said Nasser's legacy is untouched by his last few shows. Once you achieve legendary status you can do anything and place any which way and you are still a legend. For example, Samir Bannout trying to make a comeback and not placing well did not take away from his legendary status. If Ronnie Coleman continues to compete for years and falls out of the top 10 or even if he starts to look worse than Kovacs he is still 8 time Mr. Olympia and nothing can take away from that.
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there can be no doubt that the 90's produced some of the greatest BB's in the history of the sport
Wheeler
Ray
Levrone
Yates
coleman
El Sonbaty
IF you measure their greatness if terms of contests won then some on that list may outshine others but if you measure their greatness if terms of a legendary legacy then Nasser reigns supreme.
The legacy Nasser created is that despite being a non NPC/non-American, he was the best BB in the world in 1996-1997 and one of the best from 1995-1999. IN spite of the near insurmountable obstacles of the crooked, cheating and unjust politics of the IFBB judges, the acknowledgement from fans the world over that he was the best in those years cannot be denied.
However, Nasser's legend is not based purely on his physique. Moreso, the Man behind the muscles was the phenom so many fans worldwide have come to know and admire.
The intelligence, articulateness, friendliness, personability,generosity,warmth and wit of Nasser to his fans and general public that shone a new light into the dark , misunderstood world of BB- a unique individual who dispelled the negative stereotype of the caveman- like, monosyllabic , roid- raged musclehead.
A man who became the very best in his chosed field and then went beyond that , securing his place in history forever as one of the best BB's of all time and ultimately a true Rennaissance man, transcending the sport itself.
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you know the truth,nasser and wheeler and to a degree leverone all had some subpar or off there best looks,or stayed too long in the game,but never,ever did shawn ray come off in anything less than top or best form why is that?
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you know the truth,nasser and wheeler and to a degree leverone all had some subpar or off there best looks,or stayed too long in the game,but never,ever did shawn ray come off in anything less than top or best form why is that?
1988 he was 13th , other than that he was consistent
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1988 he was 13th , other than that he was consistent
first olympia and yeah a lot of hype and smack talk then too,but he held his head up even with failing test at arnold and then rewinning it,consistent greatness.
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you know the truth,nasser and wheeler and to a degree leverone all had some subpar or off there best looks,or stayed too long in the game,but never,ever did shawn ray come off in anything less than top or best form why is that?
he competed only at the olympia, it's a lot easier to peak when you only do one show
as for nasser, he had 4 great years but a career is measured over many years
he was one of the best of the 90's but not a hall of famer
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Nasser looking massive there!
The "delts" issue has already been discussed many times. It was not synthol in there, but accumulated scar tissue - this was also confirmed by the expert Dante right here in the G&O board a while back.
And relentless like I said Nasser's legacy is untouched by his last few shows. Once you achieve legendary status you can do anything and place any which way and you are still a legend. For example, Samir Bannout trying to make a comeback and not placing well did not take away from his legendary status. If Ronnie Coleman continues to compete for years and falls out of the top 10 or even if he starts to look worse than Kovacs he is still 8 time Mr. Olympia and nothing can take away from that.
another example is gaspari who ws the runner-up 2 haney 3 years, he made a comeback in the 90s and placed 16th or so at the NOC.. still no one talk shit abt him coz his father is not arab!!..
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another example is gaspari who ws the runner-up 2 haney 3 years, he made a comeback in the 90s and placed 16th or so at the NOC.. still no one talk shit abt him coz his father is not arab!!..
And no one talks shit about the Lion from Lebanon whose father was also an arab!!.. ::)
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You are comparing Nasser to men who have won the Olympia; Nasser did not. Nasser was a very bright star, but it was for a very short time. Nasser is one of the all time greats, but there are many others from the 90s who outshone Nasser.
Flex Wheeler
Kevin Levrone
Ronnie Coleman
Shawn Ray
Chris Cormier (Im on the fence about including him, but I will anyway)
Dorian Yates
Nasser was able to win the Arnold and place 2nd at the Olympia, but all of these men save Chris Cormier have more impressive resumes.
Your idolatry of Nasser leads me to believe you are a champion of the disillusioned.
we all agree tht nasser's good years were shorter thn these guys but when all were at their best shawn, kevin, &, chris were always behind nasser..
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And no one talks shit about the Lion from Lebanon whose father was also an arab!!.. ::)
yes but the lion came and left the scene b4 sep. 11, 2001 ;D
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Nasser should've won at least 3 Olympias?!?!?!
96, okay
97...Dorian looked like crap, ANYBODY other than him should've won...
What other years do you guys thing Nasser should've won?? 98 and after was under Ronnie's reign, so it couldn't be then :-\
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'96,maybe but Shanw looked great that year and Dorian didn't look great but not as bas as in '97.'97could have gone to Shawn or Kevin also. Nasser looked better in '96. Other than that, I don't see when he should have won.