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At 9:35pm local time, three and a half hours after polls closed and with 94.2% of voted counted, Venezuela’s National Electoral Council announced that Venezuelans had voted 54.4% to 45.6% in favor of a constitutional amendment to eliminate the two-term limit on all elected office.
Chávez supporters celebrated the nearly 9-point victory margin with enthusiasm, as it will allow President Hugo Chávez to run for a third full term in 2012.
According to the CNE, abstention was relatively low, at 33%, with about 11 out 16 million registered voters voting, which is about two million more votes than in 2007, for the failed constitutional reform referendum that would have altered 69 articles of Venezuela’s constitution.
Chávez and his supporters had argued that the elimination of term limits is necessary to allow Chávez to govern for longer than the four years remaining in his term, in order to complete Venezuela’s transition to “Bolivarian Socialism.”
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/4213
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I guess if the requirement is that he must be re-elected democratically it's not too bad, still it's a move towards dictatorship.
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Hugo i don't know if your from there but do you think there was a little strong arming
pushing people to vote his way? Seems like he's a dictator.
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Hugo i don't know if your from there but do you think there was a little strong arming
pushing people to vote his way? Seems like he's a dictator.
Do you have evidence of this accusation? It's of course what the opposition will say happend. I'm sure they will say worse than that.
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Great....nothing better than another racist dictator in the world.
And the best part is that we have a gay moderator who admires him :-\
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Great....nothing better than another racist dictator in the world.
And the best part is that we have a gay moderator who admires him :-\
I'm not gay ::) seems like you can't make a post without inserting some bullshit.
Is he racist for saying gringo go home? (he's talking about American attempt to influence Venezuelan political affairs) Or is he racist for paying attention to the indigenous people who were for the most part treated like garbage under a European ruling class? facts are that more lives have been improved under Hugo than they were before. Poverty is down, education is up. No not all things are perfect but what do you expect with the type of American backed opposition he faces? If you don't think they've tried to undermine ever bit of the way, you're wrong. What was that argument you guys used to claim Palestine? lol...
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I'm not gay ::) seems like you can't make a post without inserting some bullshit.
Is he racist for saying gringo go home? (he's talking about American attempt to influence Venezuelan political affairs) Or is he racist for paying attention to the indigenous people who were for the most part treated like garbage under a European ruling class? facts are that more lives have been improved under Hugo than they were before. Poverty is down, education is up. No not all things are perfect but what do you expect with the type of American backed opposition he faces? If you don't think they've tried to undermine ever bit of the way, you're wrong. What was that argument you guys used to claim Palestine? lol...
Meltdown ;D
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Meltdown ;D
where? I missed it and I love a good meltdown.
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where? I missed it and I love a good meltdown.
It's the second time you deny something on this thread....hmmm....
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It's the second time you deny something on this thread....hmmm....
oh please, where did I meltdown?. In reality you just don't want to answer my post so it's easy to just call meltdown. I guess you haven't seen me meltdown. There's no doubt when I do.
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why am I even talking to you. I said I was done and the first moment I give you a chance, you go right back to the same style of crap trolling and lies. I'm done.
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I guess if the requirement is that he must be re-elected democratically it's not too bad, still it's a move towards dictatorship.
Give me a dictatorship of the people and you can keep your democracy of the elites any day.
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why am I even talking to you. I said I was done and the first moment I give you a chance, you go right back to the same style of crap trolling and lies. I'm done.
Thanks....I appreciate the entertainment ;D
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Any who still view Chávez as a democrat should ponder the events of last week. The Director of Human Rights Watch/Americas, José Miguel Vivanco, held a press conference in Caracas to release a 230-page report detailing Chávez’ assault on democracy. Upon returning to his hotel, this respected Chilean human rights lawyer and his assistant were met by 20 armed men, who hustled them off to the airport for the next flight out of the country. Their supposed offense: doing human rights work on a tourist visa. The reality: a typical Chávez ploy – veiling repression in a pretense of legalism. The message to all human rights defenders in Venezuela: If we can expel Human Rights Watch, imagine what we can do to you.
The summary expulsion of one of the hemisphere’s leading human rights defenders is symptomatic of a much broader pattern. The Human Rights Watch report finds that discrimination on political grounds is a “defining feature” of the Chávez presidency. Thus, Chávez fires and blacklists political opponents from state agencies and from the national oil company. He denies citizens access to social programs based on their political opinions. He punishes media outlets, labor unions and civil society for their legitimate criticism or political activity. Another “defining feature” of Chavismo, reports Human Rights Watch, is an “open disregard for the principle of separation of powers…and, specifically, the notion that an independent judiciary is indispensable for protecting fundamental rights.”
The story of how Chávez took over the courts, detailed by Human Rights Watch, is revealing. At the time of the attempted coup against him in 2002, the 20 justices of the Venezuelan Supreme Court were widely viewed to be evenly split between pro and anti-Chávez sympathizers. After the coup, a chamber of the court found insufficient evidence to prosecute four generals allegedly involved in the coup. Another chamber found enough valid signatures on a petition to require a referendum to recall Chávez. This prompted then Vice President José Vicente Rangel to denounce the judges who issued this “immoral” ruling as, themselves, “perpetrators of a coup.”
But removing the justices posed a problem: The Constitution required a two-thirds vote of the National Assembly for removal. At the time, Chávez held only a slim majority. Under cover of law, Chávez found a two-part solution. First, his majority passed a court-packing law to add 12 more justices to the Court – all Chavistas. As one pro-government legislator declared just before the new names were made public, “n the list of potential candidates there is no one who will act against us.” Second, Chávez passed a new law allowing indefinite suspension of a justice, or annulment of her appointment, by simple majority vote. Criteria for nullification include, for example, that a justice’s “public attitude…undermines the majesty or prestige of the Supreme Court.”
Within weeks, the three justices most criticized by the Chavistas were removed. With the Supreme Court gutted, the rest of the judiciary was easy pickings. The new Supreme Court removed and replaced some 400 lower court judges. Soon it became commonplace for any judge who dared to rule in favor of the political opposition to find herself removed or recused. In some egregious cases, even the new Court could not bring itself to rule in favor of the government. In 2005, it ruled that the attorney general could not sue a major newspaper for an editorial criticizing his office. In 2006, it found a due process violation in a hearing where the person charged was neither heard nor legally represented. But more typically, concludes Human Rights Watch, the new Supreme Court has failed to uphold human rights “in the most prominent and politically sensitive cases of arbitrary state action by the Chávez government.”
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Sounds great Hugo, if this was America u'd be running for ur bunker but because he's some leftwing douchebag its ok. He has closed all radio and Tv stations that don't support him. He arrests those who don't agree with him. he courts with the enemies of this country. He is no different then any other Latin American dictator.
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Sounds great Hugo, if this was America u'd be running for ur bunker but because he's some leftwing douchebag its ok. He has closed all radio and Tv stations that don't support him. He arrests those who don't agree with him. he courts with the enemies of this country. He is no different then any other Latin American dictator.
that's more your fault than his.
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Bill clinton would still be president if there were no terms limits in USA> sad but true.
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That would be ok w/ me if Newt came along with him. The mid 90s were good.
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Sounds great Hugo, if this was America u'd be running for ur bunker but because he's some leftwing douchebag its ok. He has closed all radio and Tv stations that don't support him. He arrests those who don't agree with him. he courts with the enemies of this country. He is no different then any other Latin American dictator.
Sounds like Lincoln
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that's more your fault than his.
Wow..what a lib...its my fault he wants to control the media and allow nothing but BS pro gov programming. Ur an amazing left wing apologist.
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Do you have evidence of this accusation? It's of course what the opposition will say happend. I'm sure they will say worse than that.
Was not accusing I was asking your point of view, i don't know much about him and thought
you might since you use the same name bro.
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I guess if the requirement is that he must be re-elected democratically it's not too bad, still it's a move towards dictatorship.
DICTATORSHIP....Just like in america
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HH6 you prick.
Why did you make the leader of some thirdworld banana republic batshit crazy? Did you sleep with his chica or something?
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Is Hugo a modern day Robin hood?? :o
BTW, hh6,.... national security doesnt just exist in america....some other countries have it too. ::)
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Wow..what a lib...its my fault he wants to control the media and allow nothing but BS pro gov programming. Ur an amazing left wing apologist.
guess you didn't see where I was going with that. I thought you might based on past discussions. It's not literally your single fault, just in that you are a supporter of the lineage of events that bring us to the what and why today. Start thinking and have some balls not to support wrong, like Gen. Butler
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guess you didn't see where I was going with that. I thought you might based on past discussions. It's not literally your single fault, just in that you are a supporter of the lineage of events that bring us to the what and why today. Start thinking and have some balls not to support wrong, like Gen. Butler
LOL. He only knows what hannity tells him for the day.
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I hope people like HH take a few moments and watch some of those vids I posted.
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I hope people like HH take a few moments and watch some of those vids I posted.
I hope you will get a clue, the man openly supports Iran (and terror organizations) and he is a proud anti Semitic.
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typical of your fucking lies. posted for others, I don't give a shit what you say ifbb.
Editing Chavez to Manufacture a Slur
Here's a translation of the full passage from Chavez's speech (VoltaireNet, 1/18/06):
The world has an offer for everybody but it turned out that a few minorities--the descendants of those who crucified Christ, the descendants of those who expelled Bolivar from here and also those who in a certain way crucified him in Santa Marta, there in Colombia--they took possession of the riches of the world, a minority took possession of the planet’s gold, the silver, the minerals, the water, the good lands, the oil, and they have concentrated all the riches in the hands of a few; less than 10 percent of the world population owns more than half of the riches of the world.
The biggest problem with depicting Chavez's speech as an anti-Semitic attack is that Chavez clearly suggested that "the descendants of those who crucified Christ" are the same people as "the descendants of those who expelled Bolivar from here." As American Rabbi Arthur Waskow, who questioned the charge, told the Associated Press (1/5/06), "I know of no one who accuses the Jews of fighting against Bolivar." Bolivar, in fact, fought against the government of King Ferdinand VII of Spain, who reinstituted the anti-Semitic Spanish Inquisition when he took power in 1813. According to the Jewish Virtual Library, a Jewish sympathizer in Curacao provided refuge to Bolivar and his family when he fled from Venezuela.
Most of the accounts attacking Chavez (the Daily Standard was an exception) left the reference to Bolivar out entirely; the Wiesenthal Center deleted that clause from the speech without even offering an ellipsis, which is tantamount to fabrication.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2805
"Anti-liberal I am, anti-imperialist even more so, but anti-Semitic, never, that's a lie," --Hugo Chavez
also there's no proof he supports terror organizations, that's propaganda.
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Targeting Hugo Chavez
Since taking office in February 1999, America's dominant media have relentlessly attacked Chavez because of the good example he represents and threat it might spread in spite of scant chance it will in today's climate.
Yet some of his fiercest critics maintain pressure and show up often on the Wall Street Journal's op-ed page. Most recently on November 10 by its America's columnist, Mary O'Grady. Her style is agitprop. Her space a truth-free zone. Her latest in an article headlined "Hugo Chavez Spreads the Loot" referring to what The New York Times calls "Suitcasegate."
It played out in a Miami show trial that concluded on November 3 with Franklin Duran found guilty of acting as an unregistered agent of the Venezuelan government in the US. He's co-owner of the private Venezuelan motor oil company, Venoco. It's unconnected to the government, but that's not what prosecutors charged, what jurors were pressured to conclude after initially being deadlocked, and what O'Grady picked up on and claims.
She calls Hugo Chavez "the intellectual author of his crime," whatever that means, but O'Grady doesn't explain. "The problem for Mr. Chavez is that, for almost a decade, Latin American 'democrats' (i.e. Colombia's fascist and US vassal leader Alvaro Uribe) have been accusing Venezuela of violating the sovereignty of its neighbors by supporting the radical left with money and weapons."
With no proof whatever, she means the FARC-EP (the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) and wrote about it in her March 10 column titled "The FARC Files." In it, she accused Chavez, Ecuador's Correa, Bolivia's Morales, and Nicaragua's Ortega of being "four best friends of terrorists." Citing bogus laptop documents "show(ing) that Mr. Chavez (& Co.) and (the FARC-EP are) not only ideological comrades, but also business partners and political allies in the effort to wrest power from Mr. Uribe." She listed a menu of charges that were bogus on their face, then later exposed and dropped for lack of evidence.
Of course, they were preposterous in the first place, but were resurrected in September by the US Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Control (OFAC) in designating one former and two current high-ranking Venezuelan officials as FARC-EP collaborators. Accused are Hugo Carvajal, head of the Military Intelligence Directorate and Henry de Jesus Rangel Silva in charge of the Directorate of Intelligence and Prevention Services (DISIP).
These charges came after Chavez expelled the US ambassador in solidarity with Bolivia's Evo Morales. A day earlier, he dispatched the US envoy for instigating violent anti-government protests.
What's happening relates to Colombia's early 2008 Ecuadorean incursion. An illegal cross-border raid with the help of US Special Forces. They attacked and slaughtered 20 or more people while they slept, including 16 FARC-EP members. One being its second in command, Raul Reyes. Its public voice, key peace negotiator since the 1990s, and lead figure in the Chavez-arranged releases of hostages they held. A humanitarian effort he was vilified for with the usual kinds of political charges often made against him.
Noted Latin American expert James Petras calls the FARC-EP the "longest standing, largest peasant-based guerrilla movement in the world (that was) founded in 1964 by two dozen peasant activists (to defend) autonomous rural communities from" Colombian military and paramilitary violence. It's a "highly organized 20,000 member guerrilla army with several hundred thousand local militia and supporters...." It now numbers about 10,000 - 15,000 "distributed throughout the country" and still a force to be reckoned with.
When its leader, Manuel Marulanda, died in March, Petras paid homage to him in a powerfully moving article. He explained that for over "60 years he organized peasant movements, rural communities and, when all legal democratic channels were effectively (and brutally) closed, he built the most powerful sustained guerrilla army and supporting underground militias in Latin America." Besides its fighters, it included (and still largely does) "several hundred thousand peasant-activists, (and) hundreds of village and urban militia units" united against the most brutally repressive Latin American government (regardless of who leads it) and his vast supportive entourage.
Marulanda "defied them all - those in their mansions, presidential palaces, military bases, torture chambers, and bourgeois editorial offices." These brave fighters nonetheless persist. The same ones O'Grady attacks and the Venezuelan leader as equally committed to justice and freedom as they are.
She takes full advantage of Duran's conviction for supposedly conspiring to conceal the "origin and destination" of a suitcase filled with $800,000 and for acting as an "unregistered agent" for his country on US soil. Prosecutors claimed it was for Argentina President, Christina Kirchner. For her successful campaign last year. A charge both presidents deny. Venezuela's foreign minister, Nicolas Maduro, as well (earlier in the year) calling the case "absolutely rigged (and that) the person who said he is an agent of our government lied."
As a Miami trial approached, Maduro questioned the impartiality of the venue, saying: "Those who appoint the public prosecutors and judges in Florida are those who run the mafia, linked to people of Cuban origin who are totally opposed to the sovereign process in our country" and, of course, are committed to removing Castro and his brother.
Today, "Suitcasegate" is front-page news in Venezuela and Argentina. In America as well at times and in O'Grady's November 10 commentary.
In December 2007, Duran and three businessmen came to Miami. Their purpose - to advise their business partner, Guido Antonini, a Venezuelan-American businessman who was caught with the money months earlier in a Buenos Aires airport. At the time, Argentine judge Marta Novatti ordered his arrest, but he evaded authorities and returned to Miami where he lives in its wealthy Key Biscayne suburb. Argentina twice requested his extradition on charges of money laundering, but US authorities refused and instead used him to advantage.
Antonini wasn't charged. In return, he allowed the FBI to wire him to record conversations with Duran and the others. At trial, he was the star witness after proceedings were at first delayed. All four defendants originally pleaded not guilty. Then, after threats and bribes, three agreed to plea bargains, including Venoco's co-owner, Carlos Kauffman, who testified against Duran at trial.
Edward Shohat represented him. He denounced it as a "political circus" and said he plans to appeal because the FBI entrapped Duran, the charges are false, and the whole scheme is an attack against America's ideological Latin American enemies, especially Chavez.
Early in the trial, Shohat filed a motion to dismiss and was rejected. He argued that the law Duran supposedly broke is unconstitutional because it's vague as to what type behavior is illegal so its use is solely for political purposes.
He referred to 18 USC, 951 - "Agents of foreign governments." It states:
"the term 'agent of a foreign government' means an individual who agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official, except that such term does not include -
(1) a duly accredited diplomatic or consular officer....;
(2) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored official or representative of a foreign government;
(3) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored member of the staff (thereof - from paragraphs 1 and 2); or
(4) any person engaged in a legal commercial transaction" - except if "such person agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official."
Most often, this law only applies to enemy spies in wartime or against agents committing espionage. In other words, individuals engaged in activities violating the nation's security. Against Duran, it involved a mysterious cash-filled suitcase having nothing to do with security or any connection to Chavez and his government. Antonini and Kauffman testified otherwise. That Venezuela's state oil company, PDVSA, supplied it, and Chavez directed the operation and cover-up from his office. Of course, it's their word with no proof.
On tape, Duran and his co-defendants said Chavez and Kirchner promised Antonini protection if he was charged in an Argentine court. At trial, Duran said that he lied to convince Antonini to be tried in Argentina if it came to that. For its part, Argentina accused Antonini of working for the CIA. It's quite possible given his known links to Chavez opposition groups. He worked for Venoco from 2000 - 2002 when its then owner, Isaac Perez Recao, was involved in the April 2002 (two-day aborted) coup. Venezuela's 48-hour president, Pedro Carmona, also headed Venoco at the time. The connection between him, Recao, and Antonini seems more than coincidental.
cont... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10945
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Hugo Chavez, the FARC Laptops, and the Non-Existent Emails
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4063
word documents, no e-mails... hmmmm.... setup? naaaaah... who would do something like that ::) How dumb would it be to do all that via e-mail even if he was doing it? He knows the cia is all over him like flies on shit so again most of this stuff turns out to be so laughable it's absurd.
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Chavez is screwed oil production is down almost a million barrels and they have no way to increase it since they are not paying the contractors.
http://www.petroleumworld.com/storyt09021202.htm
CARACAS
Petroleumworld.com, Feb 12, 2009
According to its the EIA Montly Oil Report, Venezuela 's crude output in January was 2.18 million barrels (mbpd) , the International Energy Agency said Wednesday.
According to EIA production fell from the December 2.3 mbpd level as the country begun to comply with its OPEC quota and instructed several oil ventures to curb output and reduced shipments to two U.S. refineries, the IEA noted in the Report.
The IEA estimates, Venezuela 's sustainable production capacity stands at 2.5 million barrels a day.
Venezuela still insists in claiming an output above 3 millon of barrels of crude a day.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/02/20092162216925714.html
Hugo Chavez's victory in Sunday's referendum on term limits for elected officials appears to have reinforced the Venezuelan president's hold on power, but a looming economic crisis is overshadowing celebrations.
The Venezuelan leader has built his popularity on his massive social programmes to help the poor, but they are under threat from a global economic crisis and the plummeting price of oil.
"There will be a severe impact on the Venezuelan economy and we don't know how long it will last," says Edgardo Lander, a former social science professor at the University of Central Venezuela.
Oil revenues account for more than 90 per cent of Venezuela's national income and the price of a barrel has slumped to $40 from a peak of almost $150 last year.
Inflation has rocketed by 30 per cent, the highest in Latin America, and analysts predict that the economy could contract by more than four per cent this year.
"A lot of tough decisions will have to made," Lander says of a Chavez government that will face re-election in 2013.
Analysts say he could make those decisions soon, carrying out unpopular policy changes during the "honeymoon period" following his referendum win.
"The Chavez revolution has a free hand now to take important decisions," says Luis Vicente Leon of the Datanalisis polling firm.
Chavez could decide to tackle inflation, possibly by devaluing the Venezuelan currency, or Bolivar, reports say.
But many agree he is unlikely to make any cuts to the social programmes where billions of dollars have been pumped into health and education services.
"He needs to maintain his link to the people," Leon says.
Funding issues
Augusto Monteil, a national assembly member from Chavez's United Socialist Party of Venezuela, says a likely immediate impact of the "yes" win in Sunday's referendum was that the programmes could even be expanded.
But he also admits there could be less funding available for the programmes during a time of crisis.
"If the national budget is diminished then of course there will be less, but the percentage will remain the same," he says.
The government has said it will rely on its massive reserves, estimated to be at least $64bn.
But the opposition, defeated in Sunday's referendum, warns that a reliance on spending national savings carries its own risks.
Teodoro Petkoff, the editor of Tal Cual, an opposition magazine, says that "the government is using its reserves because it believes that oil price will recover - but if that doesn't happen we will have a real problem".
Spending projects
The spending projects have made Chavez
a popular leader in Venezuela [EPA]
Last week, Haiman El Troudi, the planning minister, pledged to continue the government spending that has made Chavez such a popular leader.
He announced plans to spend an additional $225bn by 2013 on more than 200 projects, including a new national railway and an expansion of the Caracas subway system, the Associated Press reported.
The government has also begun distributing $5bn in loans to businesses, community councils and co-operatives to build infrastructure, housing and other projects.
Monteil says this announcement shows that Chavez's plans are very likely to continue as before.
"The philosophy of the government will not change," says Monteil.
"Even during an economic crisis."
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Joker how dare you say a bad word about this saint, he should be your and your children idol ;)
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Joker how dare you say a bad word about this saint, he should be your and your children idol ;)
at least joker contributes with something! unlike you, just spewing bullshit and flames like the troll you are. thank you joker!
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I still laugh when Chavez called Bush the devil. It took iron nuts at the time and most americans agreed by giving Bush a 26% approval rating....
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Most of Venezuela's population is poor and clueless. Those people want a socialist dictator and they want the middle class and the wealthy to suffer, and then to disappear. They are about to get what they are asking for, but they'll regret it later. History repeats itself, Gómez, Jiménez, Chavez...
Term limits have a purpose. After a while, power will make a honest leader corrupt, and it will make a corrupt leader more corrupt and ruthless.
The biggest problem in Venezuela now is personal safety.
There was a time in Venezuela, not long ago, when people got mugged, but not murdered. Now a days, if you get mugged in Venezuela, you can kiss your life goodbye too. Chavez has created hatred between social classes. Venezuela now has the 4th highest homicide rate in the whole world. :(
http://www.derechos.org.ve/publicaciones/infanual/2007_08/131%20seguridad%20ciudadana.pdf
http://www.derechos.org.ve/publicaciones/infanual/2005_06/pdf/seguridadciudadana.pdf
http://www.derechos.org.ve/publicaciones/infanual/2003_04/16seguridadCIUDADAN.pdf
http://www.chacao.gov.ve/plan180/anodespues.pdf
http://www.incosec.org/Microsoft%20PowerPoint%20-%20plan180%20actualizado.pdf
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
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Of course Chavez wants to be on the good side of his Middle Eastern, OPEC buddies. It is a fact that if you oppose Israel, blame them for all of the world's problems and use anti-Jewish slurs in the Middle East, you'll be very popular there.
Is Hugo Chavez to Blame For Venezuela Synagogue Attack?
Written by: Aaron Katsman | February 1, 2009
It seems like state sponsored anti-semitism may be to blame for Friday’s attack against a Caracus synagogue. According to a Jpost report:”The US-based Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said the attack was “not a random event in Venezuela; it is directly related to the atmosphere of anti-Jewish intimidation promoted by President [Hugo] Chavez and his government apparatus.” The suggestion of government sanction for the attack was heard many times from Venezuelan Jews over
the weekend, though most of them would not speak on the record. “I do not expect the law to be enforced,” Hariton said simply. The ADL called on Chavez “to abandon the official government rhetoric of demonization of Israel and Jews and to publicly denounce this wanton act of anti-Semitic violence.”
It’s clearly on thing to oppose military actions taken by the State of Israel. It’s another thing to attack a religious place of worship. It’s no secret that Hugo Chavez ( sounds more like a drink than the name of a serious world leader) is anti-Israel. He has made no secret that he hates Israel as much as he hates the US. Considering all the domestic issues that Chavez is facing, ( gotta hate when the price of crude oil drops by more than $100!) I guess he feels that making Israel the focus of his leadership will somehow distract his angry constituents.
http://israelnewsletter.com/2009/02/01/is-hugo-chavez-to-blame-for-venezuela-synagogue-attack/
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I hope people like HH take a few moments and watch some of those vids I posted.
Hey Hugo! You seem interested in Venezuela's politics and history. I recommend you read about Venezuela's former president, Romulo Betancourt, "The Father of Venezuelan Democracy."
He was neither a puppet of the US nor was he a puppet of Fidel Castro's. Betancourt only looked out for the interests of the Venezuelan people.
His minister of energy established the OPEC, which did not go well with the US and Britain. Castro did not like him either, because Betancourt did not support any government that wasn't democratically elected by the people. Were he alive today, Betancourt would of course support Chavez's presidency because he was elected by the people, but he would not support a Chavez dictatorship. Anyway, here is more information in English on Betancourt, very interesting leader with a very interesting life and legacy. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3mulo_Betancourt
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Anyone with common sense would realize how much of a fraud socialist Chavez is. Term limits exist for a reason. And what the hell does Iran have to do with this argument IFBBWannaB? You're an idiot. Iran has done nothing but what the US has been doing for 50 years.
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Anyone with common sense would realize how much of a fraud socialist Chavez is. Term limits exist for a reason. And what the hell does Iran have to do with this argument IFBBWannaB? You're an idiot. Iran has done nothing but what the US has been doing for 50 years.
The US have been calling for the death of all the infidels for 50 years...damn...I must be really out of touch ::)
But I do agree about Chavez, the man is a dictator, I can't believe anyone think otherwise.
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The US have been calling for the death of all the infidels for 50 years...damn...I must be really out of touch ::)
But I do agree about Chavez, the man is a dictator, I can't believe anyone think otherwise.
Oh please........the Royal family is as fucking racist as any Muslim leader. You're arguments are becoming silly. My point is that the US has been funding counter insurgencies for the last 50 years. No different than Iran. Hell I'm not even fucking Arab and I don't like Israel or the Jewish influence in my country. We are just more polite and PC in how we word things.
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Obama might be the next Chavez.
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I still laugh when Chavez called Bush the devil. It took iron nuts at the time and most americans agreed by giving Bush a 26% approval rating....
LOL I laughed when he called Bush a Donkey too.
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He wants to rule with a iron fist, he hates America so I hope he rotts
nd if you like him so much move back there. And all these cry babies if you don't
like America don't move here.
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"He wants to rule with a iron fist, he hates America so I hope he rotts
nd if you like him so much move back there. And all these cry babies if you don't
like America don't move here."--Sean Hannity
Ok, thanks for your original smackdown lol... I'm from America as were my parents and their parents and their parents. You clearly haven't a clue who I am or what I believe which amazes me considering how much I post my opinion here. Don't you have a show to do or something :D
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Since this man has come to power, over a Trillion dollars has gone through his hands. What does his country have to show for it? Skyrocketing homicide rates, food shortages, a rotting capital, a military that's designed to be his personal bodyguard rather than a functioning military, and millions of poor, uneducated, snookered voters.
This man is all bluster. He needs a devil to divert people's attention away from him. Dictators often resort to this tactic to avoid criticism or they just simply state the "revolution" is still ongoing. Without that devil, Chavez has little to no credibility if based on his policies alone. He has even began to attack Obama.
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Ok, thanks for your original smackdown lol... I'm from America as were my parents and their parents and their parents. You clearly haven't a clue who I am or what I believe which amazes me considering how much I post my opinion here. Don't you have a show to do or something :D
Hugo i did't quote you or mention your name, i was saying whoever felt that way
about America that's from somewhere else should stay where they are if
they have a problem with this country.
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Hugo i did't quote you or mention your name, i was saying whoever felt that way
about America that's from somewhere else should stay where they are if
they have a problem with this country.
"and if you like him so much move back there" Kind of draws me into your comment if I favor Chavez for any reason. Beyond that, who the hell else would you have been addressing in the thread. ::)
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Since this man has come to power, over a Trillion dollars has gone through his hands. What does his country have to show for it? Skyrocketing homicide rates, food shortages, a rotting capital, a military that's designed to be his personal bodyguard rather than a functioning military, and millions of poor, uneducated, snookered voters.
What do you expect from a man who once staged a coup?
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What do you expect from a man who once staged a coup?
Bush? We got what I expected.
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Bush? We got what I expected.
Are you not intelligent enough to understand we're discussing Chavez? Quit with the straw man arguments; Bush is irrelevant in most cases when discussing Chavez's past actions - and I certainly have enough criticism of Bush.
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Are you not intelligent enough to understand we're discussing Chavez? Quit with the straw man arguments; Bush is irrelevant in most cases when discussing Chavez's past actions - and I certainly have enough criticism of Bush.
just pointing out the hypocrisy in your focused criticism my little myopic friend ;) nothing straw man about that.
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just pointing out the hypocrisy in your focused criticism my little myopic friend ;) nothing straw man about that.
What has Bush got to do with my statement regarding Chavez's coup attempts? Explain my hypocrisy...
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What has Bush got to do with my statement regarding Chavez's coup attempts? Explain my hypocrisy...
You're content to view the world through the good guys/ bad guys script handed to you, as are so many others. tools... sheeple... Keep following the script, don't let me get in your way :)
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You're content to view the world through the good guys/ bad guys script handed to you, as are so many others. tools... sheeple... Keep following the script, don't let me get in your way :)
What are you talking about? Chavez has brought some benefits to Venezuela of which I do not doubt for a second - but to align myself with certain people and politicians in agreeing that some of his policies (e.g. increases in murder rates) doesn't make me wrong or myopic. It is a fact that he attempted a coup, this part of his character is open to discussion although I feel you want to bury and censor any negative information surrounding him or become defensive by going on at a tangent by mentioning Bush. It's rather disturbing how defensive of this man you are; even in the light of certain facts.
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What are you talking about? Chavez has brought some benefits to Venezuela of which I do not doubt for a second - but to align myself with certain people and politicians in agreeing that some of his policies (e.g. increases in murder rates) doesn't make me wrong or myopic. It is a fact that he attempted a coup, this part of his character is open to discussion although I feel you want to bury and censor any negative information surrounding him or become defensive by going on at a tangent by mentioning Bush. It's rather disturbing how defensive of this man you are; even in the light of certain facts.
dude, this from you only posting: "what do you expect from a man who attempted a coup" and you're shocked at my comments of what is typical myopic script like thinking for you... come on.. ;)
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dude, this from you only posting: "what do you expect from a man who attempted a coup" and you're shocked at my comments of what is typical myopic script like thinking for you... come on.. ;)
I've posted twice in this thread.
My assertion that his coup was a previous example of his lean towards militarism is refuted by you how? By the ad hominem attacks? :-\
You see, it's simple what's going on here; you see no evil in any of his actions. No matter what the intentions of the coup was (I believe its result have been beneficial to Venezuela) it displays evidence of militarism in his character that exists today.
Now what's your rebuttal? That I'm a short sighted sheep? Because I don't think he's the glorious infallible leader you see him as? As a moderator you sure like to make random/nonsensical statements about Bush in defense of your point.
You're starting to sound like an hippy; so passionate about some off beat way of thinking about a subject that you believe everyone to be idiotic and sheep-like if they disagree.
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Hugo Chavez tried to overthrow Carlos Andres Perez, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people. Chavez tried to overthrow him using military force and violence. But now that Hugo Chavez himself has also been democratically elected by the Venezuelan people, he expects everyone to respect that and not even think about overthrowing him no matter what he does. ::)
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Hugo Chavez tried to overthrow Carlos Andres Perez, a leader who was democratically elected by the Venezuelan people. Chavez tried to overthrow him using military force and violence. But now that Hugo Chavez himself has also been democratically elected by the Venezuelan people, he expects everyone to respect that and not even think about overthrowing him no matter what he does. ::)
Please Loco, no facts! We must preserve the glory that is Hugo Chavez! He is a modern day Saint! :P
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What? I thought there was no actual conspiracy against Hugo? lol...
In the interview(in miami), CAP acknowledged that he is “working to remove Chávez [from power].” “Violence will allow us to remove him,” said CAP, adding that Chávez “must die like a dog, because he deserves it.”
Loco, can you tell us a little about why CAP in his campaign was saying the IMF is "a neutron bomb that killed people, but left buildings standing" and said that World Bank economists were "genocide workers in the pay of economic totalitarianism" and then turn right around and make a deal with them that eventually resulted in the Caracazo?
I would like to know more about this, am I missing something? Still a lot to learn but I'm researching. Interesting stuff.
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What? I thought there was no actual conspiracy against Hugo? lol...
In the interview(in miami), CAP acknowledged that he is “working to remove Chávez [from power].” “Violence will allow us to remove him,” said CAP, adding that Chávez “must die like a dog, because he deserves it.”
Loco, can you tell us a little about why CAP in his campaign was saying the IMF is "a neutron bomb that killed people, but left buildings standing" and said that World Bank economists were "genocide workers in the pay of economic totalitarianism" and then turn right around and make a deal with them that eventually resulted in the Caracazo?
I would like to know more about this, am I missing something? Still a lot to learn but I'm researching. Interesting stuff.
bump for loco, anything you have to add on this? thanks...