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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2009, 09:23:28 PM »
guess you didn't see where I was going with that.  I thought you might based on past discussions.  It's not literally your single fault, just in that you are a supporter of the lineage of events that bring us to the what and why today.  Start thinking and have some balls not to support wrong, like Gen. Butler




LOL.   He only knows what hannity tells him for the day.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2009, 10:54:44 PM »
I hope people like HH take a few moments and watch some of those vids I posted.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2009, 02:21:45 AM »
I hope people like HH take a few moments and watch some of those vids I posted.


I hope you will get a clue, the man openly supports Iran (and terror organizations) and he is a proud anti Semitic.


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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2009, 03:05:09 AM »
typical of your fucking lies.  posted for others, I don't give a shit what you say ifbb.

Editing Chavez to Manufacture a Slur

Here's a translation of the full passage from Chavez's speech (VoltaireNet, 1/18/06):

The world has an offer for everybody but it turned out that a few minorities--the descendants of those who crucified Christ, the descendants of those who expelled Bolivar from here and also those who in a certain way crucified him in Santa Marta, there in Colombia--they took possession of the riches of the world, a minority took possession of the planet’s gold, the silver, the minerals, the water, the good lands, the oil, and they have concentrated all the riches in the hands of a few; less than 10 percent of the world population owns more than half of the riches of the world.

The biggest problem with depicting Chavez's speech as an anti-Semitic attack is that Chavez clearly suggested that "the descendants of those who crucified Christ" are the same people as "the descendants of those who expelled Bolivar from here." As American Rabbi Arthur Waskow, who questioned the charge, told the Associated Press (1/5/06), "I know of no one who accuses the Jews of fighting against Bolivar." Bolivar, in fact, fought against the government of King Ferdinand VII of Spain, who reinstituted the anti-Semitic Spanish Inquisition when he took power in 1813. According to the Jewish Virtual Library, a Jewish sympathizer in Curacao provided refuge to Bolivar and his family when he fled from Venezuela.

Most of the accounts attacking Chavez (the Daily Standard was an exception) left the reference to Bolivar out entirely; the Wiesenthal Center deleted that clause from the speech without even offering an ellipsis, which is tantamount to fabrication.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2805


"Anti-liberal I am, anti-imperialist even more so, but anti-Semitic, never, that's a lie," --Hugo Chavez

also there's no proof he supports terror organizations, that's propaganda.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2009, 03:16:35 AM »
Targeting Hugo Chavez

Since taking office in February 1999, America's dominant media have relentlessly attacked Chavez because of the good example he represents and threat it might spread in spite of scant chance it will in today's climate.

Yet some of his fiercest critics maintain pressure and show up often on the Wall Street Journal's op-ed page. Most recently on November 10 by its America's columnist, Mary O'Grady. Her style is agitprop. Her space a truth-free zone.  Her latest in an article headlined "Hugo Chavez Spreads the Loot" referring to what The New York Times calls "Suitcasegate."

It played out in a Miami show trial that concluded on November 3 with Franklin Duran found guilty of acting as an unregistered agent of the Venezuelan government in the US. He's co-owner of the private Venezuelan motor oil company, Venoco. It's unconnected to the government, but that's not what prosecutors charged, what jurors were pressured to conclude after initially being deadlocked, and what O'Grady picked up on and claims.

She calls Hugo Chavez "the intellectual author of his crime," whatever that means, but O'Grady doesn't explain. "The problem for Mr. Chavez is that, for almost a decade, Latin American 'democrats' (i.e. Colombia's fascist and US vassal leader Alvaro Uribe) have been accusing Venezuela of violating the sovereignty of its neighbors by supporting the radical left with money and weapons."

With no proof whatever, she means the FARC-EP (the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) and wrote about it in her March 10 column titled "The FARC Files." In it, she accused Chavez, Ecuador's Correa, Bolivia's Morales, and Nicaragua's Ortega of being "four best friends of terrorists." Citing bogus laptop documents "show(ing) that Mr. Chavez (& Co.) and (the FARC-EP are) not only ideological comrades, but also business partners and political allies in the effort to wrest power from Mr. Uribe." She listed a menu of charges that were bogus on their face, then later exposed and dropped for lack of evidence.

Of course, they were preposterous in the first place, but were resurrected in September by the US Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Control (OFAC) in designating one former and two current high-ranking Venezuelan officials as FARC-EP collaborators. Accused are Hugo Carvajal, head of the Military Intelligence Directorate and Henry de Jesus Rangel Silva in charge of the Directorate of Intelligence and Prevention Services (DISIP).

These charges came after Chavez expelled the US ambassador in solidarity with Bolivia's Evo Morales. A day earlier, he dispatched the US envoy for instigating violent anti-government protests.

What's happening relates to Colombia's early 2008 Ecuadorean incursion. An illegal cross-border raid with the help of US Special Forces. They attacked and slaughtered 20 or more people while they slept, including 16 FARC-EP members. One being its second in command, Raul Reyes. Its public voice, key peace negotiator since the 1990s, and lead figure in the Chavez-arranged releases of hostages they held. A humanitarian effort he was vilified for with the usual kinds of political charges often made against him.

Noted Latin American expert James Petras calls the FARC-EP the "longest standing, largest peasant-based guerrilla movement in the world (that was) founded in 1964 by two dozen peasant activists (to defend) autonomous rural communities from" Colombian military and paramilitary violence. It's a "highly organized 20,000 member guerrilla army with several hundred thousand local militia and supporters...." It now numbers about 10,000 - 15,000 "distributed throughout the country" and still a force to be reckoned with.

When its leader, Manuel Marulanda, died in March, Petras paid homage to him in a powerfully moving article. He explained that for over "60 years he organized peasant movements, rural communities and, when all legal democratic channels were effectively (and brutally) closed, he built the most powerful sustained guerrilla army and supporting underground militias in Latin America." Besides its fighters, it included (and still largely does) "several hundred thousand peasant-activists, (and) hundreds of village and urban militia units" united against the most brutally repressive Latin American government (regardless of who leads it) and his vast supportive entourage.

Marulanda "defied them all - those in their mansions, presidential palaces, military bases, torture chambers, and bourgeois editorial offices." These brave fighters nonetheless persist. The same ones O'Grady attacks and the Venezuelan leader as equally committed to justice and freedom as they are.

She takes full advantage of Duran's conviction for supposedly conspiring to conceal the "origin and destination" of a suitcase filled with $800,000 and for acting as an "unregistered agent" for his country on US soil. Prosecutors claimed it was for Argentina President, Christina Kirchner. For her successful campaign last year. A charge both presidents deny. Venezuela's foreign minister, Nicolas Maduro, as well (earlier in the year) calling the case "absolutely rigged (and that) the person who said he is an agent of our government lied."

As a Miami trial approached, Maduro questioned the impartiality of the venue, saying: "Those who appoint the public prosecutors and judges in Florida are those who run the mafia, linked to people of Cuban origin who are totally opposed to the sovereign process in our country" and, of course, are committed to removing Castro and his brother.

Today, "Suitcasegate" is front-page news in Venezuela and Argentina. In America as well at times and in O'Grady's November 10 commentary.

In December 2007, Duran and three businessmen came to Miami. Their purpose - to advise their business partner, Guido Antonini, a Venezuelan-American businessman who was caught with the money months earlier in a Buenos Aires airport. At the time, Argentine judge Marta Novatti ordered his arrest, but he evaded authorities and returned to Miami where he lives in its wealthy Key Biscayne suburb. Argentina twice requested his extradition on charges of money laundering, but US authorities refused and instead used him to advantage.

Antonini wasn't charged. In return, he allowed the FBI to wire him to record conversations with Duran and the others. At trial, he was the star witness after proceedings were at first delayed. All four defendants originally pleaded not guilty. Then, after threats and bribes, three agreed to plea bargains, including Venoco's co-owner, Carlos Kauffman, who testified against Duran at trial.

Edward Shohat represented him. He denounced it as a "political circus" and said he plans to appeal because the FBI entrapped Duran, the charges are false, and the whole scheme is an attack against America's ideological Latin American enemies, especially Chavez.

Early in the trial, Shohat filed a motion to dismiss and was rejected. He argued that the law Duran supposedly broke is unconstitutional because it's vague as to what type behavior is illegal so its use is solely for political purposes.

He referred to 18 USC, 951 - "Agents of foreign governments." It states:

"the term 'agent of a foreign government' means an individual who agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official, except that such term does not include -

(1) a duly accredited diplomatic or consular officer....;

(2) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored official or representative of a foreign government;

(3) any officially and publicly acknowledged and sponsored member of the staff (thereof - from paragraphs 1 and 2); or

(4) any person engaged in a legal commercial transaction" - except if "such person agrees to operate within the United States subject to the direction or control of a foreign government or official."

Most often, this law only applies to enemy spies in wartime or against agents committing espionage. In other words, individuals engaged in activities violating the nation's security. Against Duran, it involved a mysterious cash-filled suitcase having nothing to do with security or any connection to Chavez and his government. Antonini and Kauffman testified otherwise. That Venezuela's state oil company, PDVSA, supplied it, and Chavez directed the operation and cover-up from his office. Of course, it's their word with no proof.

On tape, Duran and his co-defendants said Chavez and Kirchner promised Antonini protection if he was charged in an Argentine court. At trial, Duran said that he lied to convince Antonini to be tried in Argentina if it came to that. For its part, Argentina accused Antonini of working for the CIA. It's quite possible given his known links to Chavez opposition groups. He worked for Venoco from 2000 - 2002 when its then owner, Isaac Perez Recao, was involved in the April 2002 (two-day aborted) coup. Venezuela's 48-hour president, Pedro Carmona, also headed Venoco at the time. The connection between him, Recao, and Antonini seems more than coincidental.

cont... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10945

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2009, 03:24:07 AM »
Hugo Chavez, the FARC Laptops, and the Non-Existent Emails
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4063

word documents, no e-mails... hmmmm....  setup?  naaaaah... who would do something like that ::)  How dumb would it be to do all that via e-mail even if he was doing it?  He knows the cia is all over him like flies on shit so again most of this stuff turns out to be so laughable it's absurd.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2009, 06:39:59 AM »
Chavez is screwed oil production is down almost a million barrels and they have no way to increase it since they are not paying the contractors.

http://www.petroleumworld.com/storyt09021202.htm
CARACAS
Petroleumworld.com, Feb 12, 2009

According to its the EIA Montly Oil Report, Venezuela 's crude output in January was 2.18 million barrels (mbpd) , the International Energy Agency said Wednesday.

According to EIA production fell from the December 2.3 mbpd level as the country begun to comply with its OPEC quota and instructed several oil ventures to curb output and reduced shipments to two U.S. refineries, the IEA noted in the   Report.

The IEA estimates, Venezuela 's sustainable production capacity stands at 2.5 million barrels a day.

Venezuela still  insists in claiming an output above 3 millon of barrels of crude a day.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/02/20092162216925714.html
Hugo Chavez's victory in Sunday's referendum on term limits for elected officials appears to have reinforced the Venezuelan president's hold on power, but a looming economic crisis is overshadowing celebrations.

The Venezuelan leader has built his popularity on his massive social programmes to help the poor, but they are under threat from a global economic crisis and the plummeting price of oil.

"There will be a severe impact on the Venezuelan economy and we don't know how long it will last," says Edgardo Lander, a former social science professor at the University of Central Venezuela.

Oil revenues account for more than 90 per cent of Venezuela's national income and the price of a barrel has slumped to $40 from a peak of almost $150 last year.

Inflation has rocketed by 30 per cent, the highest in Latin America, and analysts predict that the economy could contract by more than four per cent this year.

"A lot of tough decisions will have to made," Lander says of a Chavez government that will face re-election in 2013.

Analysts say he could make those decisions soon, carrying out unpopular policy changes during the "honeymoon period" following his referendum win.

"The Chavez revolution has a free hand now to take important decisions," says Luis Vicente Leon of the Datanalisis polling firm.

Chavez could decide to tackle inflation, possibly by devaluing the Venezuelan currency, or Bolivar, reports say.

But many agree he is unlikely to make any cuts to the social programmes where billions of dollars have been pumped into health and education services.

"He needs to maintain his link to the people," Leon says.

Funding issues

Augusto Monteil, a national assembly member from Chavez's United Socialist Party of Venezuela, says a likely immediate impact of the "yes" win in Sunday's referendum was that the programmes could even be expanded.

But he also admits there could be less funding available for the programmes during a time of crisis.

"If the national budget is diminished then of course there will be less, but the percentage will remain the same," he says.

The government has said it will rely on its massive reserves, estimated to be at least $64bn.

But the opposition, defeated in Sunday's referendum, warns that a reliance on spending national savings carries its own risks.

Teodoro Petkoff, the editor of Tal Cual, an opposition magazine, says that "the government is using its reserves because it believes that oil price will recover - but if that doesn't happen we will have a real problem".

Spending projects

The spending projects have made Chavez
a popular leader in Venezuela [EPA]
Last week, Haiman El Troudi, the planning minister, pledged to continue the government spending that has made Chavez such a popular leader.

He announced plans to spend an additional $225bn by 2013 on more than 200 projects, including a new national railway and an expansion of the Caracas subway system, the Associated Press reported.

The government has also begun distributing $5bn in loans to businesses, community councils and co-operatives to build infrastructure, housing and other projects.

Monteil says this announcement shows that Chavez's plans are very likely to continue as before.

"The philosophy of the government will not change," says Monteil.

"Even during an economic crisis."

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2009, 08:06:46 AM »
Joker how dare you say a bad word about this saint, he should be your and your children idol  ;)

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2009, 08:19:40 AM »
Joker how dare you say a bad word about this saint, he should be your and your children idol  ;)
at least joker contributes with something!  unlike you, just spewing bullshit and flames like the troll you are.  thank you joker! 

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2009, 09:51:08 AM »
I still laugh when Chavez called Bush the devil.     It took iron nuts at the time and most americans agreed by giving Bush a 26% approval rating....


















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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2009, 10:22:36 AM »
Most of Venezuela's population is poor and clueless.  Those people want a socialist dictator and they want the middle class and the wealthy to suffer, and then to disappear.  They are about to get what they are asking for, but they'll regret it later.  History repeats itself, Gómez, Jiménez, Chavez...

Term limits have a purpose.  After a while, power will make a honest leader corrupt, and it will make a corrupt leader more corrupt and ruthless.

The biggest problem in Venezuela now is personal safety.

There was a time in Venezuela, not long ago, when people got mugged, but not murdered.  Now a days, if you get mugged in Venezuela, you can kiss your life goodbye too.  Chavez has created hatred between social classes.  Venezuela now has the 4th highest homicide rate in the whole world.     :(

http://www.derechos.org.ve/publicaciones/infanual/2007_08/131%20seguridad%20ciudadana.pdf

http://www.derechos.org.ve/publicaciones/infanual/2005_06/pdf/seguridadciudadana.pdf

http://www.derechos.org.ve/publicaciones/infanual/2003_04/16seguridadCIUDADAN.pdf

http://www.chacao.gov.ve/plan180/anodespues.pdf

http://www.incosec.org/Microsoft%20PowerPoint%20-%20plan180%20actualizado.pdf

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2009, 10:30:52 AM »
Of course Chavez wants to be on the good side of his Middle Eastern, OPEC buddies.  It is a fact that if you oppose Israel, blame them for all of the world's problems and use anti-Jewish slurs in the Middle East, you'll be very popular there.

Is Hugo Chavez to Blame For Venezuela Synagogue Attack?
Written by: Aaron Katsman | February 1, 2009

It seems like state sponsored anti-semitism may be to blame for Friday’s attack against a Caracus synagogue. According to a Jpost report:”The US-based Anti-Defamation League (ADL) said the attack was “not a random event in Venezuela; it is directly related to the atmosphere of anti-Jewish intimidation promoted by President [Hugo] Chavez and his government apparatus.” The suggestion of government sanction for the attack was heard many times from Venezuelan Jews over
the weekend, though most of them would not speak on the record. “I do not expect the law to be enforced,” Hariton said simply. The ADL called on Chavez “to abandon the official government rhetoric of demonization of Israel and Jews and to publicly denounce this wanton act of anti-Semitic violence.”

It’s clearly on thing to oppose military actions taken by the State of Israel. It’s another thing to attack a religious place of worship. It’s no secret that Hugo Chavez ( sounds more like a drink than the name of a serious world leader) is anti-Israel. He has made no secret that he hates Israel as much as he hates the US. Considering all the domestic issues that Chavez is facing, ( gotta hate when the price of crude oil drops by more than $100!) I guess he feels that making Israel the focus of his leadership will somehow distract his angry constituents.

http://israelnewsletter.com/2009/02/01/is-hugo-chavez-to-blame-for-venezuela-synagogue-attack/

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2009, 01:03:22 PM »
I hope people like HH take a few moments and watch some of those vids I posted.

Hey Hugo!  You seem interested in Venezuela's politics and history.  I recommend you read about Venezuela's former president, Romulo Betancourt, "The Father of Venezuelan Democracy." 

He was neither a puppet of the US nor was he a puppet of Fidel Castro's.  Betancourt only looked out for the interests of the Venezuelan people.

His minister of energy established the OPEC, which did not go well with the US and Britain.  Castro did not like him either, because Betancourt did not support any government that wasn't democratically elected by the people.  Were he alive today, Betancourt would of course support Chavez's presidency because he was elected by the people, but he would not support a Chavez dictatorship.  Anyway, here is more information in English on Betancourt, very interesting leader with a very interesting life and legacy.    :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3mulo_Betancourt

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2009, 01:59:03 PM »
Anyone with common sense would realize how much of a fraud socialist Chavez is.  Term limits exist for a reason.  And what the hell does Iran have to do with this argument IFBBWannaB?  You're an idiot.  Iran has done nothing but what the US has been doing for 50 years. 

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2009, 02:20:01 PM »
Anyone with common sense would realize how much of a fraud socialist Chavez is.  Term limits exist for a reason.  And what the hell does Iran have to do with this argument IFBBWannaB?  You're an idiot.  Iran has done nothing but what the US has been doing for 50 years. 

The US have been calling for the death of all the infidels for 50 years...damn...I must be really out of touch  ::)

But I do agree about Chavez, the man is a dictator, I can't believe anyone think otherwise.

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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2009, 02:31:28 PM »
The US have been calling for the death of all the infidels for 50 years...damn...I must be really out of touch  ::)

But I do agree about Chavez, the man is a dictator, I can't believe anyone think otherwise.

Oh please........the Royal family is as fucking racist as any Muslim leader.  You're arguments are becoming silly.  My point is that the US has been funding counter insurgencies for the last 50 years.  No different than Iran.  Hell I'm not even fucking Arab and I don't like Israel or the Jewish influence in my country.  We are just more polite and PC in how we word things. 

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2009, 09:37:54 PM »
Obama might be the next Chavez.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2009, 09:43:48 PM »
I still laugh when Chavez called Bush the devil.     It took iron nuts at the time and most americans agreed by giving Bush a 26% approval rating....


















LOL  I laughed when he called Bush a Donkey too.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2009, 12:27:55 PM »
He wants to rule with a iron fist, he hates America so I hope he rotts
nd if you like him so much move back there. And all these cry babies if you don't
like America don't move here.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2009, 01:33:49 PM »
"He wants to rule with a iron fist, he hates America so I hope he rotts
nd if you like him so much move back there. And all these cry babies if you don't
like America don't move here."--Sean Hannity

Ok, thanks for your original smackdown lol...  I'm from America as were my parents and their parents and their parents.  You clearly haven't a clue who I am or what I believe which amazes me considering how much I post my opinion here.  Don't you have a show to do or something :D

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2009, 03:17:04 PM »
Since this man has come to power, over a Trillion dollars has gone through his hands.  What does his country have to show for it?  Skyrocketing homicide rates, food shortages, a rotting capital, a military that's designed to be his personal bodyguard rather than a functioning military, and millions of poor, uneducated, snookered voters.

This man is all bluster.  He needs a devil to divert people's attention away from him.  Dictators often resort to this tactic to avoid criticism or they just simply state the "revolution" is still ongoing.  Without that devil, Chavez has little to no credibility if based on his policies alone.  He has even began to attack Obama.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2009, 04:51:06 PM »
Ok, thanks for your original smackdown lol...  I'm from America as were my parents and their parents and their parents.  You clearly haven't a clue who I am or what I believe which amazes me considering how much I post my opinion here.  Don't you have a show to do or something :D

Hugo i did't quote you or mention your name, i was saying whoever felt that way
about America that's from somewhere else should stay where they are if
they have a problem with this country.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2009, 11:23:28 PM »
Hugo i did't quote you or mention your name, i was saying whoever felt that way
about America that's from somewhere else should stay where they are if
they have a problem with this country.
"and if you like him so much move back there"  Kind of draws me into your comment if I favor Chavez for any reason.   Beyond that, who the hell else would you have been addressing in the thread.  ::)

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2009, 01:11:33 AM »
Since this man has come to power, over a Trillion dollars has gone through his hands.  What does his country have to show for it?  Skyrocketing homicide rates, food shortages, a rotting capital, a military that's designed to be his personal bodyguard rather than a functioning military, and millions of poor, uneducated, snookered voters.

What do you expect from a man who once staged a coup?
الاسلام هو شيطانية

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2009, 01:19:06 AM »
What do you expect from a man who once staged a coup?
Bush?  We got what I expected.