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Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« on: February 15, 2009, 11:56:20 PM »
At 9:35pm local time, three and a half hours after polls closed and with 94.2% of voted counted, Venezuela’s National Electoral Council announced that Venezuelans had voted 54.4% to 45.6% in favor of a constitutional amendment to eliminate the two-term limit on all elected office.

Chávez supporters celebrated the nearly 9-point victory margin with enthusiasm, as it will allow President Hugo Chávez to run for a third full term in 2012.

According to the CNE, abstention was relatively low, at 33%, with about 11 out 16 million registered voters voting, which is about two million more votes than in 2007, for the failed constitutional reform referendum that would have altered 69 articles of Venezuela’s constitution.

Chávez and his supporters had argued that the elimination of term limits is necessary to allow Chávez to govern for longer than the four years remaining in his term, in order to complete Venezuela’s transition to “Bolivarian Socialism.”


http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/4213

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2009, 12:28:59 AM »
I guess if the requirement is that he must be re-elected democratically it's not too bad, still it's a move towards dictatorship.
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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2009, 05:39:39 AM »
Hugo i don't know if your from there but do you think there was a little strong arming
pushing people to vote his way? Seems like he's a dictator.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 06:17:12 AM »
Hugo i don't know if your from there but do you think there was a little strong arming
pushing people to vote his way? Seems like he's a dictator.
Do you have evidence of this accusation?  It's of course what the opposition will say happend.  I'm sure they will say worse than that.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2009, 06:40:31 AM »
Great....nothing better than another racist dictator in the world.

And the best part is that we have a gay moderator who admires him  :-\

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2009, 07:00:53 AM »
Great....nothing better than another racist dictator in the world.

And the best part is that we have a gay moderator who admires him  :-\
I'm not gay ::)  seems like you can't make a post without inserting some bullshit.

Is he racist for saying gringo go home? (he's talking about American attempt to influence Venezuelan political affairs)  Or is he racist for paying attention to the indigenous people who were for the most part treated like garbage under a European ruling class?  facts are that more lives have been improved under Hugo than they were before.  Poverty is down, education is up.  No not all things are perfect but what do you expect with the type of American backed opposition he faces?  If you don't think they've tried to undermine ever bit of the way, you're wrong.  What was that argument you guys used to claim Palestine?  lol...

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 07:08:36 AM »
I'm not gay ::)  seems like you can't make a post without inserting some bullshit.

Is he racist for saying gringo go home? (he's talking about American attempt to influence Venezuelan political affairs)  Or is he racist for paying attention to the indigenous people who were for the most part treated like garbage under a European ruling class?  facts are that more lives have been improved under Hugo than they were before.  Poverty is down, education is up.  No not all things are perfect but what do you expect with the type of American backed opposition he faces?  If you don't think they've tried to undermine ever bit of the way, you're wrong.  What was that argument you guys used to claim Palestine?  lol...

Meltdown  ;D

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 07:13:03 AM »
Meltdown  ;D
where?  I missed it and I love a good meltdown.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2009, 07:15:18 AM »
where?  I missed it and I love a good meltdown.

It's the second time you deny something on this thread....hmmm....

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2009, 07:17:27 AM »
It's the second time you deny something on this thread....hmmm....
oh please, where did I meltdown?.  In reality you just don't want to answer my post so it's easy to just call meltdown.  I guess you haven't seen me meltdown.  There's no doubt when I do.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2009, 07:19:05 AM »
why am I even talking to you.  I said I was done and the first moment I give you a chance, you go right back to the same style of crap trolling and lies.  I'm done.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2009, 07:21:55 AM »
I guess if the requirement is that he must be re-elected democratically it's not too bad, still it's a move towards dictatorship.

Give me a dictatorship of the people and you can keep your democracy of the elites any day.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2009, 07:53:07 AM »
why am I even talking to you.  I said I was done and the first moment I give you a chance, you go right back to the same style of crap trolling and lies.  I'm done.


Thanks....I appreciate the entertainment  ;D

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2009, 10:20:36 AM »
Any who still view Chávez as a democrat should ponder the events of last week. The Director of Human Rights Watch/Americas, José Miguel Vivanco, held a press conference in Caracas to release a 230-page report detailing Chávez’ assault on democracy. Upon returning to his hotel, this respected Chilean human rights lawyer and his assistant were met by 20 armed men, who hustled them off to the airport for the next flight out of the country. Their supposed offense: doing human rights work on a tourist visa. The reality: a typical Chávez ploy – veiling repression in a pretense of legalism. The message to all human rights defenders in Venezuela: If we can expel Human Rights Watch, imagine what we can do to you.

The summary expulsion of one of the hemisphere’s leading human rights defenders is symptomatic of a much broader pattern. The Human Rights Watch report finds that discrimination on political grounds is a “defining feature” of the Chávez presidency. Thus, Chávez fires and blacklists political opponents from state agencies and from the national oil company. He denies citizens access to social programs based on their political opinions. He punishes media outlets, labor unions and civil society for their legitimate criticism or political activity. Another “defining feature” of Chavismo, reports Human Rights Watch, is an “open disregard for the principle of separation of powers…and, specifically, the notion that an independent judiciary is indispensable for protecting fundamental rights.”

The story of how Chávez took over the courts, detailed by Human Rights Watch, is revealing. At the time of the attempted coup against him in 2002, the 20 justices of the Venezuelan Supreme Court were widely viewed to be evenly split between pro and anti-Chávez sympathizers. After the coup, a chamber of the court found insufficient evidence to prosecute four generals allegedly involved in the coup. Another chamber found enough valid signatures on a petition to require a referendum to recall Chávez. This prompted then Vice President José Vicente Rangel to denounce the judges who issued this “immoral” ruling as, themselves, “perpetrators of a coup.”

But removing the justices posed a problem: The Constitution required a two-thirds vote of the National Assembly for removal. At the time, Chávez held only a slim majority. Under cover of law, Chávez found a two-part solution. First, his majority passed a court-packing law to add 12 more justices to the Court – all Chavistas. As one pro-government legislator declared just before the new names were made public, “n the list of potential candidates there is no one who will act against us.” Second, Chávez passed a new law allowing indefinite suspension of a justice, or annulment of her appointment, by simple majority vote. Criteria for nullification include, for example, that a justice’s “public attitude…undermines the majesty or prestige of the Supreme Court.”

Within weeks, the three justices most criticized by the Chavistas were removed. With the Supreme Court gutted, the rest of the judiciary was easy pickings. The new Supreme Court removed and replaced some 400 lower court judges. Soon it became commonplace for any judge who dared to rule in favor of the political opposition to find herself removed or recused. In some egregious cases, even the new Court could not bring itself to rule in favor of the government. In 2005, it ruled that the attorney general could not sue a major newspaper for an editorial criticizing his office. In 2006, it found a due process violation in a hearing where the person charged was neither heard nor legally represented. But more typically, concludes Human Rights Watch, the new Supreme Court has failed to uphold human rights “in the most prominent and politically sensitive cases of arbitrary state action by the Chávez government.”
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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2009, 10:23:17 AM »
Sounds great Hugo, if this was America u'd be running for ur bunker but because he's some leftwing douchebag its ok. He has closed all radio and Tv stations that don't support him. He arrests those who don't agree with him. he courts with the enemies of this country. He is no different then any other Latin American dictator.
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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2009, 10:33:03 AM »
Sounds great Hugo, if this was America u'd be running for ur bunker but because he's some leftwing douchebag its ok. He has closed all radio and Tv stations that don't support him. He arrests those who don't agree with him. he courts with the enemies of this country. He is no different then any other Latin American dictator.
that's more your fault than his.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2009, 10:53:43 AM »
Bill clinton would still be president if there were no terms limits in USA>  sad but true.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2009, 11:39:42 AM »
That would be ok w/ me if Newt came along with him.  The mid 90s were good.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2009, 11:48:08 AM »
Sounds great Hugo, if this was America u'd be running for ur bunker but because he's some leftwing douchebag its ok. He has closed all radio and Tv stations that don't support him. He arrests those who don't agree with him. he courts with the enemies of this country. He is no different then any other Latin American dictator.

Sounds like Lincoln

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2009, 12:32:11 PM »
that's more your fault than his.

Wow..what a lib...its my fault he wants to control the media and allow nothing but BS pro gov programming. Ur an amazing left wing apologist.
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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2009, 12:48:51 PM »
Do you have evidence of this accusation?  It's of course what the opposition will say happend.  I'm sure they will say worse than that.

Was not accusing I was asking your point of view, i don't know much about him and thought
you might since you use the same name bro.

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2009, 02:38:09 PM »
I guess if the requirement is that he must be re-elected democratically it's not too bad, still it's a move towards dictatorship.

DICTATORSHIP....Just like in america
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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2009, 09:03:22 PM »
HH6 you prick.

Why did you make the leader of some thirdworld banana republic batshit crazy? Did you sleep with his chica or something?

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2009, 09:17:20 PM »
Is Hugo a modern day Robin hood?? :o

BTW,  hh6,.... national security doesnt just exist in america....some other countries have it too.  ::)

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Re: Chavez wins vote to scrap term limits in Venezuela
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2009, 09:19:17 PM »
Wow..what a lib...its my fault he wants to control the media and allow nothing but BS pro gov programming. Ur an amazing left wing apologist.
guess you didn't see where I was going with that.  I thought you might based on past discussions.  It's not literally your single fault, just in that you are a supporter of the lineage of events that bring us to the what and why today.  Start thinking and have some balls not to support wrong, like Gen. Butler