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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BayGBM on February 17, 2009, 08:09:56 AM
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In recent weeks you have watched your huge bodybuilding (best) friend lose a lot of his size. Turns out he needs a kidney transplant. You are fairly certain that his bodybuilding lifestyle led to his misfortune… now, he is stuck on a waitlist hoping for a timely donor. Both he and you know that you are a compatible donor.
• do you offer your kidney?
• he specifically asks you to donate your kidney and says he will never juice again. Do you donate?
What would you do? ???
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You would have to be a match 1st eh?
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In recent weeks you have watched your huge bodybuilding (best) friend lose a lot of his size. Turns out he needs a kidney transplant. You are fairly certain that his bodybuilding lifestyle led to his misfortune… now, he is stuck on a waitlist hoping for a timely donor. Both he and you know that you are a compatible donor.
• do you offer your kidney?
• he specifically asks you to donate your kidney and says he will never juice again. Do you donate?
What would you do? ???
He should not expect you to donate you his kidney. It wasn't your job to wipe his ass although im sure he will be "greatful" for the favor.
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That would be a tough one. Very similar to an alcoholic needing a kidney. I wouldn't want to give it to them if they were going to just destroy what you gave them.
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I would tell him to go fuck himself.
Now, if it was a familly member that needed it and not because he abused the shit out of any kind of drugs, of course I would give him a kidney
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Of course NOT.
He knew the dangers with Steroids, Now he will take the consequences.
Unless you want him to still be big so you can have sex with him and enjoy it?
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Yes, if he agrees not to juice, donate.
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This smells of Don Long ::)
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I would tell him to go fuck himself.
Now, if it was a familly member that needed it and not because he abused the shit out of any kind of drugs, of course I would give him a kidney
Please, don't hold back.... tell us how you really feel. LOL ;D
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You are fairly certain that his bodybuilding lifestyle led to his misfortune…
How much meth and Nubain has this guy done?
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In recent weeks you have watched your huge bodybuilding (best) friend lose a lot of his size. Turns out he needs a kidney transplant. You are fairly certain that his bodybuilding lifestyle led to his misfortune… now, he is stuck on a waitlist hoping for a timely donor. Both he and you know that you are a compatible donor.
• do you offer your kidney?
• he specifically asks you to donate your kidney and says he will never juice again. Do you donate?
What would you do? ???
No because he will juice again,
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Yes, if he agrees not to juice, donate.
He agrees not to juice again. Do you believe him? ???
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Tell him it is like giving blood. The hospital won't let you give a kidney if you've had gay sex within the last 10 years ;D
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Tell him it is like giving blood. The hospital won't let you give a kidney if you've had gay sex within the last 10 years ;D
So you couldn't donate, is that what you're telling us? That's none of our business but thanks for sharing. :)
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Well Bay, I have an answer but I couldn't possibly say as a gentleman never tells.
I might tell a certain select few via pms, but not newbs!!
If only you knew what I know about kidneys!!!
;D
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Well Bay, I have an answer but I couldn't possibly say as a gentleman never tells.
I might tell a certain select few via pms, but not newbs!!
If only you knew what I know about kidneys!!!
;D
Those who care will send you a PM. Stay tuned... ;D
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He agrees not to juice again. Do you believe him? ???
I don't know the person you are talking about but if any of my best friends promised not to use whatever may have made them ill again (I don't have any best friends that use steroids so it would be something else) yes, I would donate. If you have grave doubts about your friend's sincerity in not using again, I'm not sure I would donate.
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How much meth and Nubain has this guy done?
bump!
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You should politely decline, letting him know that kidneys are definetely hard to come by, and that you enjoy having two. But since you are one of his best frineds the least you can do for him is take care of his wife after he is dead.
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Hi Chad Nichols!
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In recent weeks you have watched your huge bodybuilding (best) friend lose a lot of his size. Turns out he needs a kidney transplant. You are fairly certain that his bodybuilding lifestyle led to his misfortune… now, he is stuck on a waitlist hoping for a timely donor. Both he and you know that you are a compatible donor.
• do you offer your kidney?
• he specifically asks you to donate your kidney and says he will never juice again. Do you donate?
What would you do? ???
For a brother? Maybe. For a friend? No. In fact, even when it comes to a brother I would only do it if he were some stupid young kid who took sauce because he wasn't aware of what it could do to him, etc.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He agrees not to juice again. Do you believe him? ???
I don't know. He may be genuinelly regretful and never juice again, or he may be so addicted psychologically to steroids that he will juice again regardless, a la Wheeler, Long and Prince. Who knows? But this is jnot the real issue. The real issue is this: does an adult in full possesion of his mental faculties, being fully aware of the potential risks of steroids and yet decided to take them anyway even deserve a new kidney? Food for thought. Personally, no friend is worth undergoing a painful, dangerous, potentially fatal and life-long debilitating surgery for. This is the kind of shit you only even consider for a brother/son/spouse/sweetheart.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He agrees not to juice again. Do you believe him? ???
No... i don't think people understand this concept but once you are a juice you are ALWAYS a juicer. It isn't physically addicting but... there is something about it that will always draw a person back i have noticed. I can assure you Arnold is still doing it although legally. I have never known anyone to come off cold turkey to never touch it again in their life. See Don Long.
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For a brother? Maybe. For a friend? No. In fact, even when it comes to a brother I would only do it if he were some stupid young kid who took sauce because he wasn't aware of what it could do to him, etc.
Good answer!
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if he does some cyp and deca and a little anadrol his size and kidneys will be fine ;)
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If I was a perfect match, I'd do it unconditionally for a friend.
I do have a bodybuilding friend who gave his kidney to his brother. Since then my friend has competed in the NPC Nationals 3 times.
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Tought question.
If i thought he was sincere and he couldn't get another kidney i would help him out.
You can live perfectly fine with one kidney.
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Why Selling Kidneys Should Be Legal
By ALEXANDER BERGER
On Thursday, I will donate one of my kidneys to someone I’ve never met. Most people think this sounds like an over-the-top personal sacrifice. But the procedure is safe and relatively painless. I will spend three days in the hospital and return to work within a month. I am 21, but even for someone decades older, the risk of death during surgery is about 1 in 3,000. My remaining kidney will grow to take up the slack of the one that has been removed, so I’ll be able do everything I can do now. And I’ll have given someone, on average, 10 more years of life, years free of the painful and debilitating burden of dialysis.
If kidney donation is this easy, why do the stereotypes about heroic sacrifice persist? Part of the problem is history: before modern medical advances, organ donation used to be quite painful and dangerous. But organ donation advocates also deserve some of the blame. In a misguided attempt to make the families of brain-dead patients consent to the posthumous donation of their organs, advocates treat donors like saints. But deifying donors only serves to make not donating seem normal. When I first told some friends and family that I wanted to donate a kidney, they assumed I’d gone off my rocker. They saw it as a crazy act of self-sacrifice, rather than what it is — one of the many ways a reasonably altruistic person can help others.
This is a serious problem, because there aren’t nearly enough saints in the country to tackle the growing waiting list for a kidney. More than 34,000 people joined the waiting list in 2010; fewer than 17,000 received one. Thousands of people die waiting each year.
This is a tragedy, but it doesn’t have to be this way. The people waiting for kidneys aren’t dying because of kidney failure; they’re dying because of our failure — without Congress’s misguided effort to ban organ sales, they would have been able to get the kidneys they desperately needed.
It has been illegal to compensate kidney donors in any way since 1984. The fear behind the law — that a rich tycoon could take advantage of someone desperately poor and persuade that person to sell an organ for a pittance — is understandable. But the truth is that the victims of the current ban are disproportionately African-American and poor. When wealthy white people find their way onto the kidney waiting list, they are much more likely to get off it early by finding a donor among their friends and family (or, as Steve Jobs did for a liver transplant in 2009, by traveling to a region with a shorter list). Worst of all, the ban encourages an international black market, where desperate people do end up selling their organs, without protection, fair compensation or proper medical care.
A well-regulated legal market for kidneys would not have any of these problems. It could ensure that donors were compensated fairly — most experts say somewhere in the ballpark of $50,000 would make sense. Only the government or a chosen nonprofit would be allowed to purchase the kidneys, and they would allocate them on the basis of need rather than wealth, the same way that posthumously donated organs are currently distributed. The kidneys would be paid for by whoever covers the patient, whether that is their insurance company or Medicare. Ideally, so many donors would come forward that no patient would be left on the waiting list.
In the end, paying for kidneys could actually save the government money; taxpayers already foot the bill for dialysis for many patients through Medicare, and research has shown that transplants save more than $100,000 per patient, relative to dialysis.
There’s no reason that paying for a kidney should be seen as predatory. Last week, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling legalizing compensation for bone marrow donors; we already allow paid plasma, sperm and egg donation, as well as payment for surrogate mothers. Contrary to early fears that paid surrogacy would exploit young, poor minority women, most surrogate mothers are married, middle class and white; the evidence suggests that, far from trying to “cash in,” they take pride in performing a service that brings others great happiness. And we regularly pay people to take socially beneficial but physically dangerous jobs — soldiers, police officers and firefighters all earn a living serving society while risking their lives — without worrying that they are taken advantage of. Compensated kidney donors should be no different.
When I first heard about altruistic kidney donors, I, too, thought they sounded crazy, a little too good to be true. But two years ago, for a philosophy class I was taking, I read a paper that mentioned offhand how safe the procedure had become. I was intrigued, and the more I learned about how much it would benefit the recipient, the more reasonable it seemed.
I thought about going to a Web site where people who need a kidney post profiles, but I didn’t trust myself to pick fairly. Instead, the summer before my senior year of college, I filled out some forms on the National Kidney Registry Web site. The registry will use my kidney to start a donor chain: it will go to someone who has a willing but incompatible donor, who in turn will donate to the recipient in another incompatible pair, and so on indefinitely. This can be anonymous, but if my recipient would like to meet me someday in the future, I think I’d like to meet him or her too.
Soon after filling out the forms, I visited my doctor and told my parents about my plans. They were nervous, of course, and so am I. I’m not really looking forward to having surgery, or to taking time off from a job I love. But in the scheme of things, I know this is a relatively easy way to really help someone.
People should not have to beg their friends and family for a kidney, nor die while waiting for one. Donating a kidney is one way to help. But it isn’t enough. The only way to really change the terms of the debate and end the waiting lists is to end the ban on compensation and create a legal market for kidneys.
Alexander Berger is a research analyst for GiveWell, a nonprofit that researches charities to help donors decide where to give.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/opinion/why-selling-kidneys-should-be-legal.html?_r=1&hp
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No way. He abused his body and others should pay for it.
If someone is really struck by an illness than a donation is ok.
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Would you donate a kidney for $50,000? The consensus is that would be the going rate if organ sale were permitted (it was banned by law in 1984).
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ya gotta be sure he'll quit the lifestyle.
if he has addict's blood, he's always gonna be addicted to something.
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Give - no. Sell - yes. For a family member the price doubles.
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Your buddy shoulda listened while everyone around him told him to lay off the anabolics. He did it to himself.
As for you, go ahead if you feel you must.
I feel bad for drug addicts.
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Interesting question, Bay. Really a "thought experiment" like we had in philosophy class. I wouldn't do it if I had children, for I would wanna save the kidney for them if they ever needed it. But if I didn't have kids and wasn't planning on having them, I'd donate if it was a REALLY good friend...
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Would you donate a kidney for $50,000? The consensus is that would be the going rate if organ sale were permitted (it was banned by law in 1984).
yup , in a heartbeat
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yup , in a heartbeat
x2 if I didn't have kids plus didn't plan having them...
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Would you donate a kidney for $50,000? The consensus is that would be the going rate if organ sale were permitted (it was banned by law in 1984).
For $50k... fuck yeah, I'd sell my kidney.
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He agrees not to juice again. Do you believe him? ???
based on the evidence there is no reason to believe.
love and compassion for a fellow human is the real question imho
what are willing to do for another fellow human with no expectation
of a return.
sadly most in our society without a bible in the extended hand and a kidney in
the other, not a damn thing.
pray to the flying spaghetti monster.
the only hope for humanity.
r'amen
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In recent weeks you have watched your huge bodybuilding (best) friend lose a lot of his size. Turns out he needs a kidney transplant. You are fairly certain that his bodybuilding lifestyle led to his misfortune… now, he is stuck on a waitlist hoping for a timely donor. Both he and you know that you are a compatible donor.
• do you offer your kidney?
• he specifically asks you to donate your kidney and says he will never juice again. Do you donate?
What would you do? ???
kidney bean
eat them
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On the other hand: have HIS kidneys with some fava beans and a good chianti....