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Layne Norton - “Unleashed”
http://www.biolayne.com/
I find myself torn between wanting to review this DVD from a videographer’s point of view and as a fan of bodybuilding. “Unleashed” excels on both counts!
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As a videographer I can really appreciate the skill with which Unleashed is put together. Though highly polished and professional, make no mistake, this isn’t a film and makes no attempt to feel like a “movie”. Rather , “Unleashed” is a great example of what I would call a high-energy video style.
Quick zooms, active hand-held camera work and quick cutting all add up to give this DVD a very edgy, modern feel. (Think LOST, with muscles!) Gym footage is crisp and well lit. Interviews are nicely composed. Music is used tastefully and Layne’s voice is clear, whether in interview or live in the gym. In short, this is a top notch production by Paul Glinski and Proedit.
Layne is a natural, in more ways than one. Not only is he a drug-free IFPA and NGA pro bodybuilder, but he is also very comfortable and eloquent in front of the camera. Layne sure walks the walk, that is evident from his physique as seen in the gym and in contest footage winning the NGA Heart of America competition in 2006. But he also can talk the talk.
And talk he does!! There is so much good information about nutrition and training on this DVD that many aspiring bodybuilders may wear out the reverse button on their remote controls! “What did he just say?? I gotta write that down!”
The 35 minute minute main feature is packed with great footage and information. Watching this it quickly becomes apparent that Layne knows his stuff. He’s a graduate student studying muscle protein metabolism, so when Layne talks nutrition, I listen!
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Layne’s ideas about training are as in-depth and innovative as his nutrition advice. The gym footage is intense and inspiring all the while infused with Layne’s intelligent commentary. Anyone looking to create a program of diet and exercise to build massive muscles would benefit from owning this DVD and watching it over and over. It’s like a video textbook on the current state of bodybuilding knowledge!
The only shortcoming I found with Unleashed was that even though there was a lot of good scientific information, there wasn’t much of a story. Then I clicked on the bonus features and found something called “Layne vs Nick Katrichis”, a great piece about the rivalry between Norton and a good friend as they train for the same contest. This engaging short video has the same level of expertise as main feature and could easily be on ESPN.
It was very satisfying for me to see Layne more relaxed in a video that had a bit of a story to it. Maybe in future DVDs we can get even more of a day-in-the-life view of Layne’s world and see first hand what it takes to devote oneself to natural bodybuilding and how it affects one’s life.
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The Bonus features contain a lot of “unedited” workout footage for those who want a more relaxed peek into Layne’s training style and philosophy. Yet even this footage is not truly “unedited” and it moves along nicely. A few deleted scenes, including a sometimes funny extended interview at a diner, round out this excellent DVD.
Layne is a smart and personable guy with a lot of information to impart. Unleashed presents Layne in an entertaining way but never wanders far from the business at hand, good solid bodybuilding information.
Watch the teaser...
Unleashed is available from Layne’s website here...
http://www.scivation.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=53
Mike Pulcinella
February 17, 2008
Mike Pulcinella is a videographer/digital editor living in Pennsylvania and the creator of the Raising the Bar bodybuilding documentary series.
http://www.mikepulcinella.com/portfolio.htm
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Nobody has the combination of:
1) Worth Ethic
2) Smart training
3) Decipline dieting
4) Intensity level
5) Drug free status
as Layne Norton.
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I'm sure I remember a thread about Layne using Superdrol. Don't think he denied it.
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its always more interesting to me to see a natural train for maximum results than some juiced up freak who grow just by looking at weights.
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its always more interesting to me to see a natural train for maximum results than some juiced up freak who grow just by looking at weights.
Agreed, all these pros think they are genetic gods who grow from anything. lets see them ditch the sauce and compete naturally. Drugs give you a huge edge, and anyone who claims they are a finishing tough is full of shit up to their eyeballs.
Hmm. I wonder how raising your test levels 1000% could aid in muscle growth ::)
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its always more interesting to me to see a natural train for maximum results than some juiced up freak who grow just by looking at weights.
Very True
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Agreed, all these pros think they are genetic gods who grow from anything. lets see them ditch the sauce and compete naturally. Drugs give you a huge edge, and anyone who claims they are a finishing tough is full of shit up to their eyeballs.
Hmm. I wonder how raising your test levels 1000% could aid in muscle growth ::)
yeah its nothing but just a finishing touch. its a night and day difference, the only thing they have on most of us is genetics. as soon as they drop the juice they look like athletic fitness guys.
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yeah its nothing but just a finishing touch. its a night and day difference, the only thing they have on most of us is genetics. as soon as they drop the juice they look like athletic fitness guys.
Agreed. They do have good genetics and response to the drugs, but when they are off, they are not these muscle building freaks they claim to be that get huge from eating 300 cals a day. Drugs, honestly, make up about 50% of the game.....maybe more. In regards to extreme conditition it's all drugs.
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Agreed. They do have good genetics and response to the drugs, but when they are off, they are not these muscle building freaks they claim to be that get huge from eating 300 cals a day. Drugs, honestly, make up about 50% of the game.....maybe more. In regards to extreme conditition it's all drugs.
Have you yourself tried drugs and then gone off to prove your 50% theory?
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Haha Layne Norton another fucking bullshiter. And you morons eat it up like candy! He's not "natural" in any sense of the word!
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he does look like a natural.
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Haha Layne Norton another fucking bullshiter. And you morons eat it up like candy! He's not "natural" in any sense of the word!
You don't even lift weights. GO to the gym and try building a natural physique. Work hard for 10 years. Have a perfect diet and disciplined lifestyle...
THEN come back and say Layne isn't natural.
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he does look like a natural.
thats not a compliment
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Agreed. They do have good genetics and response to the drugs, but when they are off, they are not these muscle building freaks they claim to be that get huge from eating 300 cals a day. Drugs, honestly, make up about 50% of the game.....maybe more. In regards to extreme conditition it's all drugs.
Me, no, but countless teamates and friends of mine in college and currently, yes. Also, I would love to see a current pro that could step on stage within 50 lbs of their current contest weight in the same condition without steroids. Kevin Levrone is a perfect example of a hyper-responder who used drugs and his amazing drug response to turn himself into a monster. Are you going to try and tell me with a straight face that a guy like Kevin Levrone could compete anywhere near 260 lbs without steroids? He would be on stage at 190 (if he was lucky) in poor condition (compared to before). Today, drugs are a huge part of bodybuilding. The human body was not made to weigh 230 - 280 lbs at under 4% bf....and unless you are very tall it ain't happending without steroids.
The current naturals like j-rod compete at 175 - 190 lbs depending on their height. 230 lb midget pros are called small these days. There is no fucking way drugs are a finishing touch, lmao.
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Me, no, but countless teamates and friends of mine in college and currently, yes. Also, I would love to see a current pro that could step on stage within 50 lbs of their current contest weight in the same condition without steroids. Kevin Levrone is a perfect example of a hyper-responder who used drugs and his amazing drug response to turn himself into a monster. Are you going to try and tell me with a straight face that a guy like Kevin Levrone could compete anywhere near 260 lbs without steroids? He would be on stage at 190 (if he was lucky) in poor condition (compared to before). Today, drugs are a huge part of bodybuilding. The human body was not made to weigh 230 - 280 lbs at under 4% bf....and unless you are very tall it ain't happending without steroids.
The current naturals like j-rod compete at 175 - 190 lbs depending on their height. 230 lb midget pros are called small these days. There is no fucking way drugs are a finishing touch, lmao.
Good anser! Thanks.
There is no way a human being can go 220 miles per hour without a Formula One race car under him. Is that cheating?
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As much as people take the piss outta layne (including me)
he isn't a bad guy at all. Very helpful
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"Think Lost with MUSCLES!"
Gayer than squatting on an AIDS dig because you are stressed out
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I think Layne is overrated, his physique is good but compared to other naturals out there is no comparison. He's leagues below someone like a Jeff rodriquez.
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looks like shit
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he's a strong bastard, you have to give him that and he's done the most he can with his genetics.
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he's a strong bastard, you have to give him that and he's done the most he can with his genetics.
too bad the 'balls to the walls' type of mentality got him benching more than his pec can hold ...
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Haha Layne Norton another fucking bullshiter. And you morons eat it up like candy! He's not "natural" in any sense of the word!
Would love to hear your 'theory' on that one. As a life-time drug free bodybuilder myself I get a kick out of comments like yours when they are directed at people like Layne.
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jaejonna dropping Jeru the Damaja like math in this thread.
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he does look like a natural.
looks like shit
X2
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Looks like DA loaned him his toupee :-\
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Would love to hear your 'theory' on that one. As a life-time drug free bodybuilder myself I get a kick out of comments like yours when they are directed at people like Layne.
See the other threads on Layne Norton you dumbass. Norton has never been "natural". But if you think diet drugs and prohormones make you natural well more power to you. You're probably a fraud as well.
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well if you want to get on stage and look like that you need stuff like that otherwise you will end up looking like a grasshopper, he looks somewhat full and when completely natural thats quite impossible imo. maybe hes a natural trainer but only uses stuff in his preparation.
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Did Layne really use PHs? Prove? What other stuff did he use? Prove?
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Did Layne really use PHs? Prove? What other stuff did he use? Prove?
Shut up.....you're just a child.
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its always more interesting to me to see a natural train for maximum results than some juiced up freak who grow just by looking at weights.
Layne is more natural than ONE!!!!!!
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Shut up.....you're just a child.
hahahahahahahahaha
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No offense to naturals out there (I was one for 15 years before crossing over)...but I gotta say I am surprised there is even a market for "natural" bodybuilding DVDs in the first place. Even as a natural the only bodybuilding DVD I ever found worth a look were Ronnie's just because of the level of intensity and poundages he trained with in the gym. To me the fact that Ronnie was sauced out of his mind really didn't factor into whether his DVD was worth watching.
On the other hand watching a "natural" bodybuilding oriented DVD seems simply like a televised nap.
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See the other threads on Layne Norton you dumbass. Norton has never been "natural". But if you think diet drugs and prohormones make you natural well more power to you. You're probably a fraud as well.
Wow...resorting to petty name calling. Did you pound your keyboard really hard typing that make sure I knew you were mad? As far as being a fraud....I compete in the WNBF and used ONE BOTTLE of AST's Androstene (or whatever the first one was that came out)....found no resutls from it. Then later I tried Ultimate Nutrition's NOR-19. Again, one bottle. I didnt really see that much either if I recall. Didnt feel the justification of $$$$$ > results. So, if in your pristine eyes that makes me not drug free....so be it.
As far as other thread....I asked you a direct question. YOU. Not what other people say...what YOUR reasoning's are. Lastly...I know you've been called out to show a pic...care to impress me with how you can back yourself up?
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hahahahahahahahaha
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x2 for MM
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Wow...resorting to petty name calling. Did you pound your keyboard really hard typing that make sure I knew you were mad? As far as being a fraud....I compete in the WNBF and used ONE BOTTLE of AST's Androstene (or whatever the first one was that came out)....found no resutls from it. Then later I tried Ultimate Nutrition's NOR-19. Again, one bottle. I didnt really see that much either if I recall. Didnt feel the justification of $$$$$ > results. So, if in your pristine eyes that makes me not drug free....so be it.
As far as other thread....I asked you a direct question. YOU. Not what other people say...what YOUR reasoning's are. Lastly...I know you've been called out to show a pic...care to impress me with how you can back yourself up?
. I tried this and that but didn't get any results???? Yadda yadda. It's always the same bs with you "natural" guys. The only thing natural is food and lifting. Period. Otherwise just another fraud trying to make a living deceiving people. I mean who the hell respects you guys besides naive teenagers and clueless fans? Give it up and either actually train naturally or poney up the nutsack and try steroids.....stuff that actually works. Because a cycle of testosterone is way safer than prohormones.
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. I tried this and that but didn't get any results???? Yadda yadda. It's always the same bs with you "natural" guys. The only thing natural is food and lifting. Period. Otherwise just another fraud trying to make a living deceiving people. I mean who the hell respects you guys besides naive teenagers and clueless fans? Give it up and either actually train naturally or poney up the nutsack and try steroids.....stuff that actually works. Because a cycle of testosterone is way safer than prohormones.
Wow...did you start crying while typing that? As far as who respects me? Lets see...umm...dont care. You think I'm going to ever be on the cover of SI or any other major magazine? Will I ever be the spokesman for Nike? Nope. Nope. As far as training naturally...its what I have been doing for the last 25+ years. If you recall...those PH's came out in '96 or so. So, that makes it now 13yrs since that stuff was in my system. I am not disagreeing with you one bit on the safety thing either. Again I ask you...can we see what you look like so we may compare you to Layne or do we get more of your lip service? (My guess is we wont)
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Wow...did you start crying while typing that? As far as who respects me? Lets see...umm...dont care. You think I'm going to ever be on the cover of SI or any other major magazine? Will I ever be the spokesman for Nike? Nope. Nope. As far as training naturally...its what I have been doing for the last 25+ years. If you recall...those PH's came out in '96 or so. So, that makes it now 13yrs since that stuff was in my system. I am not disagreeing with you one bit on the safety thing either. Again I ask you...can we see what you look like so we may compare you to Layne or do we get more of your lip service? (My guess is we wont)
Haha it wouldn't matter if my physiqe is worse or bettr than Layne's. Like I told your lover liberalismo it doesn't matter. What matters is Layne is not natural. Plus I never said he has a shitty physique. That's not the point.
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strong guy....
a bit over top on the "gym attitude"
but looks like he loves training...
moves more weight than 80% of pro's ive seen on video
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Haha it wouldn't matter if my physiqe is worse or bettr than Layne's. Like I told your lover liberalismo it doesn't matter. What matters is Layne is not natural. Plus I never said he has a shitty physique. That's not the point.
My lover....ha ha ha ha. Wow...you're reaching now. I am STILL waiting for you to give me your reason why you think he's not natural. Lets hear it. Otherwise your just another "I cant do it, so others cant either" type of person.
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strong guy....
a bit over top on the "gym attitude"
but looks like he loves training...
moves more weight than 80% of pro's ive seen on video
Agreed, amazing strength
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You guys that rag him, think about this. He started out as a normal guy that loved working out. He decided to learn as much as he could about what he loved, training and dieting. The majority of people that train, know very little about nutrition and working out. They just do whatever everyone else does. He has now dedicated his life to learning as much as possible with how the body deals with amino's and all that fun stuff. That's a hell of a lot more than what most people do.
Regardless if he is natural or not, you can still learn from the video. He has done more with what he has than 99% of the people on this board.
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Agreed, all these pros think they are genetic gods who grow from anything. lets see them ditch the sauce and compete naturally. Drugs give you a huge edge, and anyone who claims they are a finishing tough is full of shit up to their eyeballs.
Hmm. I wonder how raising your test levels 1000% could aid in muscle growth ::)
My biggest problem with these liars (pro bbers), is that they NEVER want to give the drugs ANY credit. It amusing to hear their bullshit, they are all genetically gifted, have great metabolisms, et cetera.....yet here they are, juicing. Some for decades. Funny the difference one can see when they come "off". They shrink almost overnight. ::)
BTW, good review GatomJP. I don't own any bbing dvd's (other than Pumping Iron), but this one sounds interesting. I may have to buy it. Oh yeah.....You're not Matt C. ;) ;D
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My lover....ha ha ha ha. Wow...you're reaching now. I am STILL waiting for you to give me your reason why you think he's not natural. Lets hear it. Otherwise your just another "I cant do it, so others cant either" type of person.
I'm 6'5 and have been as heavy as 250 with visible abs. Not "big" but better than 90% of the population. I never ragged on Layne's physique or strength. And I think he's got a great attitude and seems like a good guy. But his natural hype is bullshit. Plain and simple. That's my opinion. If you don't like get over it. Why do you feel the need to defend the guy so damn much. Probably deep down you know as well as I do that his whole natural angle is just a way for him to market himself, sell his shitty supplements and MAKE MONEY! Afterall........working out is his livelihood and he'd never make it as a pro and he wouldn't make any money if he was another gymrat on roids. So he plays the look at me I'm natural card and everyone buys into it. I mean look at this thread and all the other ones. Layne isn't the only guy that works out in the gym, has discipline and work ethic, and knows a lot about training and nutrition. Lots of guys do and they sure as hell aren't jumping on the "natural" bandwagon. There is NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL he's natural come contest time. If you believe that you're a moron. Plain and simple! I, like tons of others, know what it takes to diet and get into contest shape and I've done it naturally and enhanced. They are ENTIRELY two different things and produce entirely two different results. Fuck my pictures were are your pictures?????????????????
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I mean my god..........have any of you ever even gotten into contest shape? If you think for a second he is natural in that above pic you guys are fucking clueless. Which doesn't mean shit.....there are tons of clueless people walking around in society.......BBing is no different.
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I'm 6'5 and have been as heavy as 250 with visible abs. Not "big" but better than 90% of the population. I never ragged on Layne's physique or strength. And I think he's got a great attitude and seems like a good guy. But his natural hype is bullshit. Plain and simple. That's my opinion. If you don't like get over it. Why do you feel the need to defend the guy so damn much. Probably deep down you know as well as I do that his whole natural angle is just a way for him to market himself, sell his shitty supplements and MAKE MONEY! Afterall........working out is his livelihood and he'd never make it as a pro and he wouldn't make any money if he was another gymrat on roids. So he plays the look at me I'm natural card and everyone buys into it. I mean look at this thread and all the other ones. Layne isn't the only guy that works out in the gym, has discipline and work ethic, and knows a lot about training and nutrition. Lots of guys do and they sure as hell aren't jumping on the "natural" bandwagon. There is NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL he's natural come contest time. If you believe that you're a moron. Plain and simple! I, like tons of others, know what it takes to diet and get into contest shape and I've done it naturally and enhanced. They are ENTIRELY two different things and produce entirely two different results. Fuck my pictures were are your pictures?????????????????
Working out is his livelihood? Wow...must mean that the PhD he got isnt going to do him any good. 6'5 and 250...how much shit were/are YOU on? So you ARE the type who took the shit because you couldnt do it without? Point is you DID rag on his physique. You did so because you are saying his physique is NOT able to be obtained without drugs. As far as getting over it...if you dont believe he ISNT on something...GET OVER IT. Deep down I believe him because I have seen how long it has taken him to get where he is at. From where he started till now. The guy didnt blow up. Thus my belief he isnt on anything. No, Layne isnt the only one who works out (wow that comment by you must have taxed you). He definitely HAS marketed himself. His (un)popularity on the boards is phenomenal. The guy gives out a tremendous amount of helpful advice. When was the last time YOU did that? Again, calling me a moron shows what a weak argument you have. I have been competing for the last 20yrs. Been bodybuilding for 25. My highest weight was 230lbs. A FAT 230. I hover around 210 in off season now. My best dead is 565, bench 380, and squat 500. Sound like someone who is using?? It took me until 2005 to turn pro. I have made tremendous changes in CONDITIONING as I know that I will probably not gain a shit load more than what I am at right now. Doesnt make me want to use though. Below is a pic of me before my last show (competed at around 190). Its a pic where I look my best. I have others, but thats what you're getting. I have shown it and many have critcized. Do I care? Nope. I know what my status is. I can deal with it....can you?
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I mean my god..........have any of you ever even gotten into contest shape? If you think for a second he is natural in that above pic you guys are fucking clueless. Which doesn't mean shit.....there are tons of clueless people walking around in society.......BBing is no different.
Oh, and if you even want me posting my diet, training, and supps for that show...do a search for my posts. I did it already.
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I'm 6'5 and have been as heavy as 250 with visible abs. Not "big" but better than 90% of the population. I never ragged on Layne's physique or strength. And I think he's got a great attitude and seems like a good guy. But his natural hype is bullshit. Plain and simple. That's my opinion. If you don't like get over it. Why do you feel the need to defend the guy so damn much. Probably deep down you know as well as I do that his whole natural angle is just a way for him to market himself, sell his shitty supplements and MAKE MONEY! Afterall........working out is his livelihood and he'd never make it as a pro and he wouldn't make any money if he was another gymrat on roids. So he plays the look at me I'm natural card and everyone buys into it. I mean look at this thread and all the other ones. Layne isn't the only guy that works out in the gym, has discipline and work ethic, and knows a lot about training and nutrition. Lots of guys do and they sure as hell aren't jumping on the "natural" bandwagon. There is NO WAY IN FUCKING HELL he's natural come contest time. If you believe that you're a moron. Plain and simple! I, like tons of others, know what it takes to diet and get into contest shape and I've done it naturally and enhanced. They are ENTIRELY two different things and produce entirely two different results. Fuck my pictures were are your pictures?????????????????
You're a liar. Stop claiming you're 6'5" and 250 with visible abs. You're the only fraud here as you CONSTANTLY refuse to post pictures to BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.
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Working out is his livelihood? Wow...must mean that the PhD he got isnt going to do him any good. 6'5 and 250...how much shit were/are YOU on? So you ARE the type who took the shit because you couldnt do it without? Point is you DID rag on his physique. You did so because you are saying his physique is NOT able to be obtained without drugs. As far as getting over it...if you dont believe he ISNT on something...GET OVER IT. Deep down I believe him because I have seen how long it has taken him to get where he is at. From where he started till now. The guy didnt blow up. Thus my belief he isnt on anything. No, Layne isnt the only one who works out (wow that comment by you must have taxed you). He definitely HAS marketed himself. His (un)popularity on the boards is phenomenal. The guy gives out a tremendous amount of helpful advice. When was the last time YOU did that? Again, calling me a moron shows what a weak argument you have. I have been competing for the last 20yrs. Been bodybuilding for 25. My highest weight was 230lbs. A FAT 230. I hover around 210 in off season now. My best dead is 565, bench 380, and squat 500. Sound like someone who is using?? It took me until 2005 to turn pro. I have made tremendous changes in CONDITIONING as I know that I will probably not gain a shit load more than what I am at right now. Doesnt make me want to use though. Below is a pic of me before my last show (competed at around 190). Its a pic where I look my best. I have others, but thats what you're getting. I have shown it and many have critcized. Do I care? Nope. I know what my status is. I can deal with it....can you?
::) Honestly I really don't give a shit about you and your physique.
Layne Norton AINT natural plain and simple. If you believe he is yes you are a moron. PhD in nutritional science? HAHA. Trust me if he didn't market himself like he does he wouldn't be making shit as far as money in the fitness/bodybuilding industry. That's my point. PhD in nutritional sciences these days has you waiting tables. I know.......I minored in Kinesiology. Hence my point that if he was just another joe blow in the world of bodybuilding he wouldn't be making a name for himself so he jumps on the "Look at me I'm natural" bandwagon makes a name of himself an BAM.....he's extraordinary in everyone's eyes. This song and dance has been going on for the last 30 years in "natural bodybuilding". I mean you fuckers act like you are the first ones who ever trained naturally. You look at guys that were IN FACT natural back in the day and they look nothing like Layne at 28 years old or however old the guy is.
Liberalismo.......6'5 250 aint that big. Point is I know what it takes to get into contest shape naturally and enhanced. And they are worlds apart. Especially with an 18 inch arm. Ooooops sorry 17.5.
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So DrugFree4Life do you believe Sporto aka Tommy Jeffers is natural as well? LMAO!
I know for a fucking FACT that guy is NOT natural. He's a "scivation" athlete like Norton! Haha you guys really are MORONS!
Are huge amounts of bronkaid natural in your opinion? LOL. What is natural in your opinion schmoe?
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::) Honestly I really don't give a shit about you and your physique.
Layne Norton AINT natural plain and simple. If you believe he is yes you are a moron. PhD in nutritional science? HAHA. Trust me if he didn't market himself like he does he wouldn't be making shit as far as money in the fitness/bodybuilding industry. That's my point. PhD in nutritional sciences these days has you waiting tables. I know.......I minored in Kinesiology. Hence my point that if he was just another joe blow in the world of bodybuilding he wouldn't be making a name for himself so he jumps on the "Look at me I'm natural" bandwagon makes a name of himself an BAM.....he's extraordinary in everyone's eyes. This song and dance has been going on for the last 30 years in "natural bodybuilding". I mean you fuckers act like you are the first ones who ever trained naturally. You look at guys that were IN FACT natural back in the day and they look nothing like Layne at 28 years old or however old the guy is.
Liberalismo.......6'5 250 aint that big. Point is I know what it takes to get into contest shape naturally and enhanced. And they are worlds apart. Especially with an 18 inch arm. Ooooops sorry 17.5.
Not caring about my physique? Wow..that hurts me. Makes me want to just plain stop lifting. So, please, post this pic of a 6'5, 250lb, visible abs specimen that you are. Once again, I doubt you will post. I doubt you have gotten above 200 and seen your abs. To be honest, its people like yourself that instantly come back with the disbelief and finger pointing of "obviously lying" towards people like Layne. Just admit it...you realized you would look like crap as a natural, so you went the route of steroids. No biggie. I have nothing against people that use. Who cares? Its their choice. Funny thing, you make people who use look like the assholes for always claiming those who dont use, do in fact use. Laynes degree will probably allow him to get hooked up with some pharmaceutical firm....your "minor" is simply an over-glorified personal training certification. Lastly...you and many others talk about guys who look natural "back in the day" versus now? Here's a challenge for you....find me a contest diet/appraoch of someone back then...and then compare it to how someone preps now. Bottom line is:
1) You wont post a pic because you cant back yourself up
2) You wont post a comparison of diets of natural guys
3) You will continue to just spew out the same old dribble you have for this whole thread.
Give it up....you look worse ON than Layne does NOT JUICING. Its under your skin and IN YOUR HEAD. Now go pound on your keyboard with another witty reply.
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If you "know for a fucking FACT" that he isnt. Why not share the "fucking FACT" with everyone and back yourself up? If not, your full of it as much as you claim Layne is. What does being a sponsored bodybuilder have to do with his claim? Not much, but maybe it burns you that he might get his stuff for free and you have to supplement your income with a 2nd job because your minor in counting reps doesnt offer you the ability to buy what you really want?
Wow...now I am a schmoe. HA HA. Am I getting in your head? Can your fingers keep up with the furry building in your head?
P.S. Sorry, cant touch the ephedrine myself as WNBF says its a no-no. Cant say anything about anyone else but me. I know the IFPA allowed it...maybe they still do. Wow...you really have a hard-on for natural guys. ;D
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Working out is his livelihood? Wow...must mean that the PhD he got isnt going to do him any good. 6'5 and 250...how much shit were/are YOU on? So you ARE the type who took the shit because you couldnt do it without? Point is you DID rag on his physique. You did so because you are saying his physique is NOT able to be obtained without drugs. As far as getting over it...if you dont believe he ISNT on something...GET OVER IT. Deep down I believe him because I have seen how long it has taken him to get where he is at. From where he started till now. The guy didnt blow up. Thus my belief he isnt on anything. No, Layne isnt the only one who works out (wow that comment by you must have taxed you). He definitely HAS marketed himself. His (un)popularity on the boards is phenomenal. The guy gives out a tremendous amount of helpful advice. When was the last time YOU did that? Again, calling me a moron shows what a weak argument you have. I have been competing for the last 20yrs. Been bodybuilding for 25. My highest weight was 230lbs. A FAT 230. I hover around 210 in off season now. My best dead is 565, bench 380, and squat 500. Sound like someone who is using?? It took me until 2005 to turn pro. I have made tremendous changes in CONDITIONING as I know that I will probably not gain a shit load more than what I am at right now. Doesnt make me want to use though. Below is a pic of me before my last show (competed at around 190). Its a pic where I look my best. I have others, but thats what you're getting. I have shown it and many have critcized. Do I care? Nope. I know what my status is. I can deal with it....can you?
nice gyno
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I dont know about him being natural on stage. I know several npc state winners, that qualify for the nationals, that arn't natural that don't look as ripped and dry as him in contest shape. However in the video of him in the gym, he looks like an average gym goer thats been doing it for a couple of years.
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nice gyno
1) Where?
2) I am sure you have plenty of first-hand experience with it
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I dont know about him being natural on stage. I know several npc state winners, that qualify for the nationals, that arn't natural that don't look as ripped and dry as him in contest shape. However in the video of him in the gym, he looks like an average gym goer thats been doing it for a couple of years.
Bingo,
Alot of naturals in the gym have much better genetic shape than layne (imo look better)
But.....Layne can get great conditioning - that is why he is a great natural
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1) Where?
2) I am sure you have plenty of first-hand experience with it
ya your moms tits are huge
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ya your moms tits are huge
Your dads are larger and your mom's balls are bigger than yours.
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PhD in nutritional sciences these days has you waiting tables. I know.......I minored in Kinesiology.
I understand your argument regarding Layne leveraging his "natural" status (I could give a damn whether he is or he isn't) to market himself but when you say things like this you really poke holes in your credibility. How the hell does minoring in Kinesiology compare with a PhD in anything?
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I understand your argument regarding Layne leveraging his "natural" status (I could give a damn whether he is or he isn't) to market himself but when you say things like this you really poke holes in your credibility. How the hell does minoring in Kinesiology compare with a PhD in anything?
My point was a degree in nutritional sciences, kinesiology, exercise science, etc. don't pay jack no matter how far you go. The only degree that pays anything outside of working in higher education or doing research is a dietetic degree. And I don't believe Layne is a registered dietician. That's my point. Layne makes his money from hyping his natural status and "scivation" bullshit not because a Phd in nutritional sciences pays so well.
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My point was a degree in nutritional sciences, kinesiology, exercise science, etc. don't pay jack no matter how far you go. The only degree that pays anything outside of working in higher education or doing research is a dietetic degree. And I don't believe Layne is a registered dietician. That's my point. Layne makes his money from hyping his natural status and "scivation" bullshit not because a Phd in nutritional sciences pays so well.
Wow....you know so much about Layne's income AS WELL as his drug-free status. Layne is that you???
P.S. Still waiting for that pic, your "fucking FACT" on that one guy you mentioned, sample contest prep/training of "guys back in the day". I doubt we will see any of that stuff from you. Perhaps your "250 with visible abs" physique needs attention and therefore you cant post.
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from the looks of laynes physique i would say he's natural, however his strength is rediculous for a natural.
its his strength that makes me wonder about him, as there are many powerlifters who use steroids and can't lift those poundages .
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No offense to naturals out there (I was one for 15 years before crossing over)...but I gotta say I am surprised there is even a market for "natural" bodybuilding DVDs in the first place. Even as a natural the only bodybuilding DVD I ever found worth a look were Ronnie's just because of the level of intensity and poundages he trained with in the gym. To me the fact that Ronnie was sauced out of his mind really didn't factor into whether his DVD was worth watching.
On the other hand watching a "natural" bodybuilding oriented DVD seems simply like a televised nap.
If you read the review, it's the INFORMATION that he presents on the DVD that is useful to all BBs, not just the Nattys. If you just want to watch freaks move mountains of iron go to the circus.
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to muscle anus:
you asked drugfree for a photo, when he posted one , you said " i don't give a shit".
also, a minor in something is not the same as a doctorate in something else, you stupid FUCK!!11ASEFPIOUASD
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to muscle anus:
you asked drugfree for a photo, when he posted one , you said " i don't give a shit".
also, a minor in something is not the same as a doctorate in something else, you stupid FUCK!!11ASEFPIOUASD
Well....unfortunately we will never get to see the 250lb-with-visible-abs-mass-monster that is "MuscleMcMannus". Perhaps he doesn't have a camera on his phone...we should cut him some slack.
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to muscle anus:
you asked drugfree for a photo, when he posted one , you said " i don't give a shit".
also, a minor in something is not the same as a doctorate in something else, you stupid FUCK!!11ASEFPIOUASD
Pwned.
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Well....unfortunately we will never get to see the 250lb-with-visible-abs-mass-monster that is "MuscleMcMannus". Perhaps he doesn't have a camera on his phone...we should cut him some slack.
i've never been in shape myself, but if i ever am, i'm sure i'd at least take one photo of myself. this fella claims he was contest ready natural and roided up, yet doesn't have pictures of either.
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Haha you dumbasses just can't let it go can you? Layne is far from natural, get over it!
By the way...only an idiot would post a pic on getbig......photoshop capital of the world.
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::) Honestly I really don't give a shit about you and your physique.
Layne Norton AINT natural plain and simple. If you believe he is yes you are a moron. PhD in nutritional science? HAHA. Trust me if he didn't market himself like he does he wouldn't be making shit as far as money in the fitness/bodybuilding industry. That's my point. PhD in nutritional sciences these days has you waiting tables. I know.......I minored in Kinesiology. Hence my point that if he was just another joe blow in the world of bodybuilding he wouldn't be making a name for himself so he jumps on the "Look at me I'm natural" bandwagon makes a name of himself an BAM.....he's extraordinary in everyone's eyes. This song and dance has been going on for the last 30 years in "natural bodybuilding". I mean you fuckers act like you are the first ones who ever trained naturally. You look at guys that were IN FACT natural back in the day and they look nothing like Layne at 28 years old or however old the guy is.
Liberalismo.......6'5 250 aint that big. Point is I know what it takes to get into contest shape naturally and enhanced. And they are worlds apart. Especially with an 18 inch arm. Ooooops sorry 17.5.
Layne already has a number of pharmacutical job offers when he graduates but now he has his own column in MD which is very impressive.
Fact is that he knows his stuff and that he's 100% natural because he has too much invested in being a natural bodybuilder.
Don't be a hater
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Haha you dumbasses just can't let it go can you? Layne is far from natural, get over it!
By the way...only an idiot would post a pic on getbig......photoshop capital of the world.
..and only an insecure shit like you would constantly question the validity of anothers claim of drug-free status when its so obvious you couldnt get the job done that way yourself.
250lbs with visible abs....smells like bullshit....looks like bullshit....WOW...Muscle McMannus is full of bullshit
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Layne already has a number of pharmacutical job offers when he graduates but now he has his own column in MD which is very impressive.
Fact is that he knows his stuff and that he's 100% natural because he has too much invested in being a natural bodybuilder.
Don't be a hater
Shut up you ugly, queer homosexual turd.
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Shut up you ugly, queer homosexual turd.
Well I can see that this thread has taken a dive! LOLLL!
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..and only an insecure shit like you would constantly question the validity of anothers claim of drug-free status when its so obvious you couldnt get the job done that way yourself.
250lbs with visible abs....smells like bullshit....looks like bullshit....WOW...Muscle McMannus is full of bullshit
And only a charlatan fraud or naive moron would believe Layne's contest ready physique as being natural. There are morons born every minute, that's why the supplement industry is a billion dollar industry. And you're one of them dork!
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And only a charlatan fraud or naive moron would believe Layne's contest ready physique as being natural. There are morons born every minute, that's why the supplement industry is a billion dollar industry. And you're one of them dork!
Dork??? What are you, 12? 250lbs-with-visible-abs.....riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Let me gues, on top of that you have a 3 masters degrees, live with not one, but TWO super models....and you NET 5.8 million a year from various investments.
Anyone who believes YOUR claims is the obvious idiot.
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Dork??? What are you, 12? 250lbs-with-visible-abs.....riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Let me gues, on top of that you have a 3 masters degrees, live with not one, but TWO super models....and you NET 5.8 million a year from various investments.
Anyone who believes YOUR claims is the obvious idiot.
You're embarrassing yourself melting down left and right over Layne Norton. It's rather pathetic. Why do you care so much about one guy? He's obviously a fake. You're starting to sound like an evangelist at a Benny Hinn event.
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Well I can see that this thread has taken a dive! LOLLL!
Some people can't handle the truth.... ;D
Meltdown..
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You're embarrassing yourself melting down left and right over Layne Norton. It's rather pathetic. Why do you care so much about one guy? He's obviously a fake. You're starting to sound like an evangelist at a Benny Hinn event.
Please produce a melt down. YOU are the one who is probably raging over how no one is coming to your defense. You cared enough to ask for my pic, then tried to play it off like you didnt care about what I looked like. You are so distraught over not being able to accomplish what Layne has that you have to cry 'foul'. Face it....you have epic jealousy of him. I would even go so far as to say Vince has a better physique than you. Hell, at least Vince has the balls to post his pic. You....pfffffft. Ridiculous claim of "250lbs-with-visible-abs". HA HA HA....ok "McMannus"
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Some people can't handle the truth.... ;D
Meltdown..
The only truth is that you are the biggest joke on every big bodybuilding forum on the net.
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Just a quick point of fact to enlighten the debate...
Lets put 6'5'' and 250 lbs with visible abs into perspective: ...at 6'2'' (a full three inches shorter) Arnold Schwatzisname barely had any hint of abs at 250 lbs. Arnold's best-ever showing was 237 lbs at the '74 Olympia, and he only weighed 225 lbs for the '75 Olympia featured in Pumping Iron.
Liberalismo.......6'5 250 aint that big.
...either MuscleMacMannus has a loose interpretation of "with abs" or he's had a hundred gallon horse-faeces-enema.
Either way he's full of horseshit.
The Luke
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Perhaps visible abs means he was wearing one of those old MuscleMag tshirts that were the fake abs showing?
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When guys on the internet say "with abs" It's normally if they were dehydrated and hit the right light in their bathroom mirror, they might see their two upper abs.
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Haha fuckers still melting down left and right over this stupid thread. With abs doesn't mean in contest shape to me. It means they are still "visible". I.e. not just a slab of fat with out any definition i.e. QueerFarts. Lots of powerlifters and strongmen are 280-300lbs with visible abdominal muscles.
Arnold was never 6'2. but your dumbass probably believes he had a legit 21 inch arm. ::) Also his abs were very VISIBLE even when he was bulking and at his heaviest around 19/20 years old. You guys pathetically naive.
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Haha fuckers still melting down left and right over this stupid thread. With abs doesn't mean in contest shape to me. It means they are still "visible". I.e. not just a slab of fat with out any definition i.e. QueerFarts. Lots of powerlifters and strongmen are 280-300lbs with visible abdominal muscles.
Arnold was never 6'2. but your dumbass probably believes he had a legit 21 inch arm. ::) Also his abs were very VISIBLE even when he was bulking and at his heaviest around 19/20 years old. You guys pathetically naive.
Melting? HA HA....even SF/QO posted a pic. Not you. Nope. You are too scared someone will photoshop you. Wow! If you look that good, why would you worry? In any event, you are the who melts down anyone states Layne is natural. Do you wake up in the middle of the night screaming "Laynes not natural!" only to have your boyfriend gently stroke your head and say "Hush little fatty dont you cry...I'm just gonna cum in your eye".
McMannus you seem like the type of guy who makes weekly appointments to your proctologist because you want to be safe and feel early detection is the only way to go.
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Melting? HA HA....even SF/QO posted a pic. Not you. Nope. You are too scared someone will photoshop you. Wow! If you look that good, why would you worry? In any event, you are the who melts down anyone states Layne is natural. Do you wake up in the middle of the night screaming "Laynes not natural!" only to have your boyfriend gently stroke your head and say "Hush little fatty dont you cry...I'm just gonna cum in your eye".
McMannus you seem like the type of guy who makes weekly appointments to your proctologist because you want to be safe and feel early detection is the only way to go.
LMAO! Major meltdown. You must have no life posting this late on a Friday night.
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lmfao at this thread major meltdowns all over ;D
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LMAO! Major meltdown. You must have no life posting this late on a Friday night.
Says the man who replied at 12:45am...ha ha...epic backfire. Try again tubby.
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People who think Layne Norton isn't natural are fucking stupid.
That means you, muscle dumbassmanus. Wow. I think my model female friend who's dumber than dirt knows more than you do. You are so incredibly stupid.
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Says the man who replied at 12:45am...ha ha...epic backfire. Try again tubby.
Haha I was working dumbass.
MarvinEder you're the stupid fuck. Layne isn't natural. You know nothing about competitive bodybuilding at the natural level dipshit.
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MarvinEder you're the stupid fuck. Layne isn't natural. You know nothing about competitive bodybuilding at the natural level dipshit.
Muscle Fuckman us, you're the stupid fuck. Layne is natural. You know nothing about competitive bodybuilding at the natural level dipshit.
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Haha I was working dumbass.
MarvinEder you're the stupid fuck. Layne isn't natural. You know nothing about competitive bodybuilding at the natural level dipshit.
Ahhh..the ol' "I was working excuse". Good thing your pimp allowed you time to quick get on GetBig. Nice guy.
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I compare Layne Norton's dvds to this.
Meaning, I'm not going to be watching it anytime soon.
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you must be one of those posters that doesn't even lift weights.
you don't have experience to base your absurd conclusion on.
shame.
Haha I was working dumbass.
MarvinEder you're the stupid fuck. Layne isn't natural. You know nothing about competitive bodybuilding at the natural level dipshit.
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somebody posted a parody video on here a few days ago, some kids making fun of Layne NOrton and his stomping...that was da funny
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you must be one of those posters that doesn't even lift weights.
you don't have experience to base your absurd conclusion on.
shame.
LMAO! Another schmoe melt down over "natural" bodybuilder status. Layne isn't natural end of story.
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LMAO! Another schmoe melt down over "natural" bodybuilder status. Layne isn't natural end of story.
Still can't handle it that you are wrong. You going to "work" tonight too...then log on and bang on your keyboard some more TRYING in vain to convince people he's not natural? Again..lets see a pic fatty
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Still can't handle it that you are wrong. You going to "work" tonight too...then log on and bang on your keyboard some more TRYING in vain to convince people he's not natural? Again..lets see a pic fatty
he won't post one, he claimed he had 35 inch legs as well, but anyway i agree with you DF4L, Layne is a hell of a natty bodybuilder and tremendously strong.
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So DrugFree4Life do you believe Sporto aka Tommy Jeffers is natural as well? LMAO!
I know for a fucking FACT that guy is NOT natural. He's a "scivation" athlete like Norton! Haha you guys really are MORONS!
Which steroids has Jeffers done, except the short M1T run he admitted to?
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???
;D
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???
;D
;D ;D, best part is after he lifts the dog and stomps off to the garage...hahaha
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he won't post one, he claimed he had 35 inch legs as well, but anyway i agree with you DF4L, Layne is a hell of a natty bodybuilder and tremendously strong.
HA HA HA.....250lbs-visible abs-35" thighs. Wow.... ::)
Dude, you at least posted a pic...and dont make claims you cant back up. This douche....well, his posts speak volumes.
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Juicers look good, naturals look like crap. Hope this helps.
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???
;D
HAHAHAHA my brain hurts from laughing so fuckin hard.
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Juicers look good, naturals look like crap. Hope this helps.
when juicers come of they look crappier than naturals.
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whats the point of training natural.
1. you get little to no results unless you diet and train constantly for 10 years
2. once those 10 years are over and you stop working out they disappear
3. why would you train 10 years to get the same result of 12 week cycle of test
finally who can actually be bothered training years upon years to look just above average
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whats the point of training natural.
1. you get little to no results unless you diet and train constantly for 10 years
2. once those 10 years are over and you stop working out they disappear
3. why would you train 10 years to get the same result of 12 week cycle of test
finally who can actually be bothered training years upon years to look just above average
::)
(http://www.theocbwebsite.com/IFPA/images/Pros/MB/LayneNorton.jpg)(http://kulturystyka.magicsport.pl/IMG/slownik/eugensandow/eugen_sandow2.jpg)
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Being natural all has to do with genetics. Not all natural people will look crappy as Layne, so don't get discouraged. Everybody is different when it comes to muscle shape etc.
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::)
(http://www.theocbwebsite.com/IFPA/images/Pros/MB/LayneNorton.jpg)(http://kulturystyka.magicsport.pl/IMG/slownik/eugensandow/eugen_sandow2.jpg)
??? ???
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/layne_onstage_bdb.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/25a7o5y.jpg)
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??? ???
(http://www.biolayne.com/Bio%20Layne%20Web%20Gallery/Albums/Album6/Large/layne_onstage_bdb.jpg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/25a7o5y.jpg)
Bad/old/offseason pictures not doing the guy's physique justice.
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Being natural all has to do with genetics. Not all natural people will look crappy as Layne, so don't get discouraged. Everybody is different when it comes to muscle shape etc.
Bingo
If Layne had better genetic shape, he would look incredible
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whats the point of training natural.
1. you get little to no results unless you diet and train constantly for 10 years
2. once those 10 years are over and you stop working out they disappear
3. why would you train 10 years to get the same result of 12 week cycle of test
finally who can actually be bothered training years upon years to look just above average
::)
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when juicers come of they look crappier than naturals.
That's because when they come off they are naturals, Mars my friend. ;)
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Haha look at that fucking picture of Sandow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are fucking telling me in contest shape Layne is natural??????? Look at the difference between Sandow who was in fact natural and Layne. There is NO FUCKING way Layne is natural when he's in contest shape. He may not be using anabolics but he sure as fuck aint natural. Some of you have no fucking clue what drugs do to a physique. And diet and nutrition wasn't really that different back in Sandow's time. In fact I'd say those guys were much more intuitive and ate better than people nowadays. You guys act like the lifters of the 30's and 40's were neanderthals or something. They were some of the strongest natural guys to have ever lived back in the day.. And they ate VERY well. With the advent of drugs and supplements bodybuilding nutrition actually went down hill. Food became more processed etc.
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Buy the dvd or don't. Read his material or don't. For a bunch of people that keep posting how stupid/worthless/small he is, this post sure does have a lot of views/responses. All you guys have done is draw attention to him and possibly create more business for him. I think it's funny. Who cares what condition anyone gets in. Who cares if you know someone bigger. Does it really matter? I guess it does to those that have no life, which seems to be quite a few in this thread.
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Buy the dvd or don't. Read his material or don't. For a bunch of people that keep posting how stupid/worthless/small he is, this post sure does have a lot of views/responses. All you guys have done is draw attention to him and possibly create more business for him. I think it's funny. Who cares what condition anyone gets in. Who cares if you know someone bigger. Does it really matter? I guess it does to those that have no life, which seems to be quite a few in this thread.
Hi Layne, just because somone makes a criticism about your physqiue dosen't mean they have no life ok?
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Haha look at that fucking picture of Sandow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are fucking telling me in contest shape Layne is natural??????? Look at the difference between Sandow who was in fact natural and Layne. There is NO FUCKING way Layne is natural when he's in contest shape. He may not be using anabolics but he sure as fuck aint natural. Some of you have no fucking clue what drugs do to a physique. And diet and nutrition wasn't really that different back in Sandow's time. In fact I'd say those guys were much more intuitive and ate better than people nowadays. You guys act like the lifters of the 30's and 40's were neanderthals or something. They were some of the strongest natural guys to have ever lived back in the day.. And they ate VERY well. With the advent of drugs and supplements bodybuilding nutrition actually went down hill. Food became more processed etc.
Pssst....Layne is drug free....
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when juicers come of they look crappier than naturals.
..or in McMannus' case they look just as crappy on.
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Hi Layne, just because somone makes a criticism about your physqiue dosen't mean they have no life ok?
I am a lot of things, but not layne. Go to google, type in 1fast400, see if you can figure it out.
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Haha look at that fucking picture of Sandow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are fucking telling me in contest shape Layne is natural??????? Look at the difference between Sandow who was in fact natural and Layne. There is NO FUCKING way Layne is natural when he's in contest shape. He may not be using anabolics but he sure as fuck aint natural. Some of you have no fucking clue what drugs do to a physique. And diet and nutrition wasn't really that different back in Sandow's time. In fact I'd say those guys were much more intuitive and ate better than people nowadays. You guys act like the lifters of the 30's and 40's were neanderthals or something. They were some of the strongest natural guys to have ever lived back in the day.. And they ate VERY well. With the advent of drugs and supplements bodybuilding nutrition actually went down hill. Food became more processed etc.
Is Eugene Sandow the litmus test for what a drug-free bodybuilder is capable of attaining? Do you think a guy who doesn't take roids or GH can look any better than Sandow? What do you define as "natural?" So is just food "natural" and no protein powders, vitamins or minerals. Or is "natural" any OTC supplements that aren't prohormones?
If Norton isn't "natural" and it's so easy to see that he isn't, can you tell us what he's taking and how he's passing drug tests in two differnt federations? I've heard these claims that most top "naturals" are not natural. Can you please tell me how these guys are getting around the tests?
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Layne NOT NATURAL
Tommy Jeffers aka SPORTO NOT NATURAL
Josh Treninent or whatever NOT NATURAL but more believable than the previous two
By the way dumbass they don't test for a host of things such as Ephedrine. I know Sporto uses ephedrine to get into contest shape. it's all over Lyle McDonald's protocols which he is the poster boy for.
And natural to me is food and food only. Creatine, vitamins, minerals yeah whatever those supplements don't give you the kind of contest shape these natural guys get into.
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Layne NOT NATURAL
Tommy Jeffers aka SPORTO NOT NATURAL
Josh Treninent or whatever NOT NATURAL but more believable than the previous two
By the way dumbass they don't test for a host of things such as Ephedrine. I know Sporto uses ephedrine to get into contest shape. it's all over Lyle McDonald's protocols which he is the poster boy for.
And natural to me is food and food only. Creatine, vitamins, minerals yeah whatever those supplements don't give you the kind of contest shape these natural guys get into.
Pssst....Layne is STILL drug free....
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Pssst....Layne is drug free....
You full of it and it isnt truth. Give you a hint...shit.
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Layne NOT NATURAL
Tommy Jeffers aka SPORTO NOT NATURAL
Josh Treninent or whatever NOT NATURAL but more believable than the previous two
By the way dumbass they don't test for a host of things such as Ephedrine. I know Sporto uses ephedrine to get into contest shape. it's all over Lyle McDonald's protocols which he is the poster boy for.
And natural to me is food and food only. Creatine, vitamins, minerals yeah whatever those supplements don't give you the kind of contest shape these natural guys get into.
Who is "they" that do not test for ephedrine? NPC? INBF? ABA? NGA? What if "natural" to another guy is just not using steroids since they are illegal. Ephedrine is still sold OTC and not illegal. Anything OTC is OK with NPC "natural" Do you think Norton and Jeffers are using ephedrine only or ephedrine and steroids? Is there conditioning possible if they were much skinnier and not holding onto so much muscle (which doesn't look like much compared to steroid users)?
The term "natural" used to mean not using steroids. Nothing else was invented yet in the late 1970s when the term was coined. Should there be another term now?
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Buy the dvd or don't. Read his material or don't. For a bunch of people that keep posting how stupid/worthless/small he is, this post sure does have a lot of views/responses. All you guys have done is draw attention to him and possibly create more business for him. I think it's funny. Who cares what condition anyone gets in. Who cares if you know someone bigger. Does it really matter? I guess it does to those that have no life, which seems to be quite a few in this thread.
That's because the Roider/Natty rivalry will go on as long as there is bodybuilding; each side thinking it knows the truth.
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if clen/ECA/t3/peptides/gh/aas using quick esthers is considered natural than yes Layne is natural. :D
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if clen/ECA/t3/peptides/gh/aas using quick esthers is considered natural than yes Layne is natural. :D
Don't you think he'd look much better than he does if he was taking all that stuff? If he's taking what you say, it seems pointless because he's not that big at all. sure his conditioning is great, but he's skinny in comparison to guys I've seen who have only done a cycle or two of d-bol.
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You full of it and it isnt truth. Give you a hint...shit.
Speak english.....
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musclemcfag,
don't meltdown because layne is bigger than you.
try lifting weights, it helps.
Haha look at that fucking picture of Sandow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are fucking telling me in contest shape Layne is natural??????? Look at the difference between Sandow who was in fact natural and Layne. There is NO FUCKING way Layne is natural when he's in contest shape. He may not be using anabolics but he sure as fuck aint natural. Some of you have no fucking clue what drugs do to a physique. And diet and nutrition wasn't really that different back in Sandow's time. In fact I'd say those guys were much more intuitive and ate better than people nowadays. You guys act like the lifters of the 30's and 40's were neanderthals or something. They were some of the strongest natural guys to have ever lived back in the day.. And they ate VERY well. With the advent of drugs and supplements bodybuilding nutrition actually went down hill. Food became more processed etc.
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I'm 6'5 and have similar problems. We just aren't meant to be heavy squatters with good form. But that doesn't mean us taller guys can't get a lot out of squatting. I find a very wide stance makes a world of difference. Toe flare makes a difference as well. But I'm a pussy I guess cause I only squat 300lbs for reps and one rep max close to 375 at 6'5 with 35 inch quads!
HA HA....with all the talk you on the steroid board....and only 1RM at 375? HA HA. 250lbs with visible abs....HA HA HA.... ::)
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HA HA....with all the talk you on the steroid board....and only 1RM at 375? HA HA. 250lbs with visible abs....HA HA HA.... ::)
Haha it was a joke dumbass. 35 inch quads! LOL You're a genius! Nice epic obsession with going through my previous posts.
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Haha it was a joke dumbass. 35 inch quads! LOL You're a genius! Nice epic obsession with going through my previous posts.
I'd just like to say for the record Layne Norton and Doug Miller are NOT natural. Anyone that thinks that is clueless. And by the way....
6'5 250 30 inch quads, 21 inch arms and a 33 inch waist MOTHAFUCKA! ;D
HA HA....now are we to believe you are telling the truth about THOSE stats? Squad/QO called your ass out. Epic lying and changing your story because you really are probably 6'5" 180lbs and LOVE your P90-x workouts.
Oh..and BTW...Layne (as of late) is still natural. ;D
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HA HA....now are we to believe you are telling the truth about THOSE stats? Squad/QO called your ass out. Epic lying and changing your story because you really are probably 6'5" 180lbs and LOVE your P90-x workouts.
Oh..and BTW...Layne (as of late) is still natural. ;D
Oh brother Queerfarts calling me out? LOL HAHAHAH! Wow that holds so much weight around here!
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Buy the dvd or don't. Read his material or don't. For a bunch of people that keep posting how stupid/worthless/small he is, this post sure does have a lot of views/responses. All you guys have done is draw attention to him and possibly create more business for him. I think it's funny. Who cares what condition anyone gets in. Who cares if you know someone bigger. Does it really matter? I guess it does to those that have no life, which seems to be quite a few in this thread.
Are you serious, somebody would really through all the years of training look like Layne Norton. Creating business for what, to look like somebody looks the way he does onstage. There's naturals out there that looks way better then him and you cant be that dumb to say he "never" took roids. All natural bodybuilders are, is people that hadn't got caught with illegal substances to disqualify them out of a natural contest. Plus the people that like to watch bodybuilding shows, could not give a damn about the natural guys look. I mean wtf was he doing when onstage, he hit the most muscular pose and did that arm waving movement wtf was that ???. Does it really matter? I guess it doesn't matter when there's somebody bigger then him going on a "natural" stage and winning the contest.
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Are you serious, somebody would really through all the years of training look like Layne Norton. Creating business for what, to look like somebody looks the way he does onstage. There's naturals out there that looks way better then him and you cant be that dumb to say he "never" took roids. All natural bodybuilders are, is people that hadn't got caught with illegal substances to disqualify them out of a natural contest. Plus the people that like to watch bodybuilding shows, could not give a damn about the natural guys look. I mean wtf was he doing when onstage, he hit the most muscular pose and did that arm waving movement wtf was that ???. Does it really matter? I guess it doesn't matter when there's somebody bigger then him going on a "natural" stage and winning the contest.
Love your blanket statement of "all naturals are is..." ::) Personally I dont give a rats ass if someone uses or doesnt. Just compete in the show that you should. I dont bust my ass to compete against someone breaking the rules. As far what the people who watch the shows care about....have you ever been to a WNBF pro show?