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No doubt some of you Liberal's here will criticize it for coming from FOX news.... but does it really matter what news station showed it?
How can 36 Jihad terror camps exist right here in the USA ... and we do nothing? How can our OWN Constitution be allowed to protect these camps?
Discuss....
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The mexican border is wide open. How could they not exist?
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It's not just Fox news, it was on Dateline or Nightline or whatever the other night on CBS.
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yea, just like the weapons of mass destruction. you American are so dumb and gullible. Then again, anyone who get their news from some broken down ex porn star who does videos for gays is really asking to be a laughing stock.
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http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=185279&page=1 (http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=185279&page=1)
No doubt some of you Liberal's here will criticize it for coming from FOX news.... but does it really matter what news station showed it?
How can 36 Jihad terror camps exist right here in the USA ... and we do nothing? How can our OWN Constitution be allowed to protect these camps?
Discuss....
There's problably more than that. A lot of them as fitness boot camps.
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yea, just like the weapons of mass destruction. you American are so dumb and gullible. Then again, anyone who get their news from some broken down ex porn star who does videos for gays is really asking to be a laughing stock.
The only gullible one here is you ....who gets his information about me from a guy here with BPD and who later came on here to apologize to everyone that he was misinformed by a chick I dumped?
Trust me on this..... life for me has never been better for me! And people still guess me for being 8 years younger than I actually am! Nothing broken down about me, son.
Stick to the topic at hand and stop allowing jealousy to rule your life.
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They should get this crap shut down right away, but I have a feeling they have something on their side... C... I... A...
What he said is pure bullshit, these guys are not protected by the constitution ::) Leave it up to this Christian group to be that clueless. They have WMD and we can't do anything, BWHAHAhahahahahahaha... Total setup, planed, inside job... It will be some group like this that launches massive attacks and we'll hear about all the failures and you'll officially be in a full fledged police state. fucking sheep, you guys will just take everything handed to you as gospel to the whole truth.
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They should get this crap shut down right away, but I have a feeling they have something on their side... C... I... A...
What he said is pure bullshit, these guys are not protected by the constitution ::) Leave it up to this Christian group to be that clueless. They have WMD and we can't do anything, BWHAHAhahahahahahaha... Total setup, planed, inside job... It will be some group like this that launches massive attacks and we'll hear about all the failures and you'll officially be in a full fledged police state. fucking sheep, you guys will just take everything handed to you as gospel to the whole truth.
RIGHT ON HUGO.... We can expect another INSIDE JOB to go down with these or some other group(s) being the scape goat. How many times will the masses fall for this crap.??? I guess they will continue to fall until they come to their senses about REALITY...which based on current mindsets...will NOT happen any time soon.
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You could very well be right, Hugo. That's why I wanted to stimulate discussion here.
My question is .... if we didn't "want-more-of-the-same" under what the Bush Admin had given us..... and we voted in Obama-for-change .... then why would set-ups like this go unchanged?
What you are suggesting is that whether we have a Far Left leader or Far Right leader in power here in the US ..... both are happy to create a "police state"?
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You could very well be right, Hugo. That's why I wanted to stimulate discussion here.
My question is .... if we didn't "want-more-of-the-same" under what the Bush Admin had given us..... and we voted in Obama-for-change .... then why would set-ups like this go unchanged?
What you are suggesting it that whether we have a Far Left leader or Far Right leader in power here in the US ..... both are happy to create a "police state"?
yes. I even posted on this back when people were asking why I was voting for Obama. I had figured they would still be able to force situations for the desired outcome assuming Obama is not for something like this and I doubt he is. When something like this happens, multiple attacks, it'll be easy to make sure Obama will only have one direction to go in.
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Everyone needs to understand that the president is a USELESS figure who takes his orders from HIGHER UPS....In order to understand what is happening in america and the world one must first understand the system that is government. It should be obvious now that america is NOT a democracy. It should be clear that BIG BUSINESS and INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE run america...not a president. Obama has said/promised much before he was actually made president...NONE OF IT WILL HAPPEN. His agenda will be what those who he answers to say it is...just like George Bush and every president before him. Does anyone really think George Bush had anything in his head other than the thought of the next swig of Jack Daniels??? He was told what to say, what to do, and how to say or do it. He (now Obama is being used) is bringing into being the type of world those influential people and big business wants. Senior Bush called it a New World Order. It is a term that was around long before senior Bush, so that informs everyone how long these persons and businesses have been in power bringing what they want into being. The masses have no say and can do nothing about it. To add justifications to their actions these influential people plan terrorist attacks, wars, propaganda, they control the media, the news, opinions, mindsets and they use it to their advantage. When the war was needed to justify stealing Iraqs oil...a staged event was orchestrated, the world trade was controlled demolitioned, pentagon hit with a missile and the media used to propagate LIES AND DECEIT to justify war. Here we are again with a orchestrated financial meltdown, mortgage meltdown, incompetence in government(deliberate) and a world wide disaster in the financial markets neext will be riots over money as banks close, food riots as stores close, job riots as more industries close then mass chaos...all orchestrated to serve a purpose.
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So then, Hugo ... if I understand you correctly you are saying that the most powerful man/leader in the modern world (Obama) must know about these publicized Jihad camps here on US soil? I mean he has to, right? Since you and I can openly watch these clips provided by Dateline and FOX news ....so Obama cannot be ignorant to these clips?
But you are ALSO saying that even if Obama knows about them (whether they are Jihad based or CIA set-ups) .... he is unable to do anything about them at all because the people he selected into government with him bully him into doing what they have planned for creating a police state here in America?
I'm confused.
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SAMSON123.... what then is that purpose? How does chaos and riots fulfill a better purpose for these people in power down the road? What's the point?
I'm trying to understand and keep an open mind here.
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So then, Hugo ... if I understand you correctly you are saying that the most powerful man/leader in the modern world (Obama) must know about these publicized Jihad camps here on US soil? I mean he has to, right? Since you and I can openly watch these clips provided by Dateline and FOX news ....so Obama cannot be ignorant to these clips?
But you are ALSO saying that even if Obama knows about them (whether they are Jihad based or CIA set-ups) .... he is unable to do anything about them at all because the people he selected into government with him bully him into doing what they have planned for creating a police state here in America?
I'm confused.
that's a good point. I don't see how Obama can turn a blind eye now that it's hit the news... but... Of course there are always things we might not be considering. What if he's told that it's a black op/sting to suck in real bad guys. Or hell, I hope I'm wrong about them and it actually is a sting to suck in bad guys, but with the BS that goes on, it could be either imo. On 9/11 and the london bombings they just happened to be having multiple exercises occuring for exactly what was about to happen. They think of ways to fool officials and the system.
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SAMSON123.... what then is that purpose? How does chaos and riots fulfill a better purpose for these people in power down the road? What's the point?
I'm trying to understand and keep an open mind here.
The purpose is WORLD CONTROL AND OWNERSHIP. Since that can not be accomplished by a few dusty old men in secret rooms they have to create situations where they get the masses to believe something and then get the military to carry it out. I gave you the example of Iraq. The powerful elite wanted control over the oil in Iraq (Iraq has the BEST grade of crude oil in the world) so they orchestrated 911, claimed it was Osama, then the Taliban, then Al Quaida (just pick any patsy) and they used this to go into Iraq to commandeer the oil. There always must be a JUSTIFICATION for these actions...they (influential) don't want to be seen as the BAD GUYS by just attacking,....they want to make the masses think they are the GOOD GUYS by attacking.
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Interesting stuff, guys. I have to admit I had already considered your theories ....even though none of us really want to believe it as truth.
One question I have SAMSON is this ..... if 9/11 was an inside job ..... there had to have been so many CIA, and government, and military personal aware of the plot that at SOME point in the last eight years...... at least one of those inside people must have had their conscience kick in and in a guilt attack and think "Damn, we set up all those innocent people in both towers and lead all those brave Fireman to their deaths and let their children fatherless! I HAVE to come forward and tell everyone what our government has done!"
It would be the ULTIMATE Dateline or 20/20 exclusive!!!! Big money payout to confess and ease the guilt! Yet not even one person has done this.
Not one.
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actually with all government agencies so compartmentalized it might not involve as many as you think. The right people in the right places. Obviously with the multiple mock scenarios going at the same time the real thing was happening, they felt the wool needed pulled over a lot of eyes...
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http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=185279&page=1 (http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=185279&page=1)
No doubt some of you Liberal's here will criticize it for coming from FOX news.... but does it really matter what news station showed it?
How can 36 Jihad terror camps exist right here in the USA ... and we do nothing? How can our OWN Constitution be allowed to protect these camps?
Discuss....
Can't we just get past this BS? I mean seriously. I thought with the exception of HH6, most of us here have moved beyond that kind of juvenile rhetoric. I think the stunning GOP loss last fall should have taught people that kind of crap doesn't fly with proper thinking people, ...and I've come to believe that most of us who post here have more intelligence than that. Was I wrong?
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For some reason I get drawn back into Fox bashing... call me childish but I just can't help it ;D
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For some reason I get drawn back into Fox bashing... call me childish but I just can't help it ;D
CHILD! lol
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actually with all government agencies so compartmentalized it might not involve as many as you think. The right people in the right places. Obviously with the multiple mock scenarios going at the same time the real thing was happening, they felt the wool needed pulled over a lot of eyes...
Okay so ... with government agencies having the right people in the right places at the right time for 9/11 ...... I still want to know how many people you think knew about this? It had to be many dozens? Actually ...a couple hundred is probably more accurate?
Yet, these same inside people probably earn anywhere from 60K-90K in these government positions, yes? Yet, for that salary they were willing to go with the flow and allow 3500 innocent people die in the towers that day? All so our government could invade Iraq and secure better gas prices for us at the gas station?????
And still not ONE person come forward to spill the beans on this inside job after EIGHT years???
Help me understand, Hugo.
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Can't we just get past this BS?
We should replace the word liberal with something else.
You damn "election-winners" and your MSNBC...
something like that.
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Okay so ... with government agencies having the right people in the right places at the right time for 9/11 ...... I still want to know how many people you think knew about this? It had to be many dozens? Actually ...a couple hundred is probably more accurate?
Yet, these same inside people probably earn anywhere from 60K-90K in these government positions, yes? Yet, for that salary they were willing to go with the flow and allow 3500 innocent people die in the towers that day? All so our government could invade Iraq and secure better gas prices for us at the gas station?????
And still not ONE person come forward to spill the beans on this inside job after EIGHT years???
Help me understand, Hugo.
I don't know, now we're getting into facts i would have to be involved myself to know. do you think it was just coincidence that they were having exercises in London for exactly the same stations and for the same scenario at the same moment the real thing went down? And for that to be the case on 9/11 too? what are the odds of that? If it looks like a duck.....
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also, this new world/one world crap has been around firmly embedded in an elite class for so long and they're freaky serious about making it happen. The end justifies the means for these guys. Doesn't shock me a bit that none of these people would come forward. They were born into and raise the ideology/goal.
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We should replace the word liberal with something else. You damn "election-winners" and your MSNBC...
something like that.
Rob, I am glad you joined us. I wanted to get your feed-back on this issue. Can you throw in your 2 cents on these Jihad camps? I want to hear it.
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also, this new world/one world crap has been around firmly embedded in an elite class for so long and they're freaky serious about making it happen. The end justifies the means for these guys. Doesn't shock me a bit that none of these people would come forward. They were born into and raise the ideology/goal.
Hugo, the problem is that this new world/one world elite order you guys speak about has Obama in charge now and we voted him in for change? Having McCain in power would suite your theory much much better? More of the same, no?
And I still just don't buy that this "elite class" (that you claim has been brainwashed) would allow the deaths of thousands of fellow Americans in an inside job in those Twin Towers?
Nazi's (brainwashed by Hitler) killing Jews? I believe that. The Jihad killing Israeli's (or Americans) around the world? I buy that. Israeli's killing Palestinians in the Gaza Strip? We've seen that. The Shona killing Matabele's in Zimbabwe. I have witnessed that.
But governmental Americans killing 3500 fellow Americans in the Twin Towers on 9/11? That seems a tough sell?
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They should get this crap shut down right away, but I have a feeling they have something on their side... C... I... A...
What he said is pure bullshit, these guys are not protected by the constitution ::) Leave it up to this Christian group to be that clueless. They have WMD and we can't do anything, BWHAHAhahahahahahaha... Total setup, planed, inside job... It will be some group like this that launches massive attacks and we'll hear about all the failures and you'll officially be in a full fledged police state. fucking sheep, you guys will just take everything handed to you as gospel to the whole truth.
i ws about to say the same....we r sitting here letting it happen and twiddling our thumbs going (and by we i mean dumbasses) o how could it happen as a rhetoric :-\
lemme ask you this..how the fuck could a buncha 3rd world arabs that learned (apparently) to fly planes at nickle and dime schools pull off 911 when 40 yrs ago we had computers in this country that could track a terabytes worth of info globally / second and record any convo on this planet focusing on key words like "bomb" or "jihad" etc...and we can bring iraq down on its knees in under 24 hours :-\ but we cant stop a few jihad schools here in the US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabyte
fucking sheep i tell ya >:(
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then why would set-ups like this go unchanged?
hey Grant mate..long time..Toxic here..
anyhow..ya prolly wont watch this...its dry..but this is my take on it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574387786893863155&ei=uRifSZPUGZTWqALt5t3XDw&q=secret+govt&hl=en
btw..this guy in the vid is dead now...
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/cooper_update.htm
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All so our government could invade Iraq and secure better gas prices for us at the gas station?????
u make the invasion of Iraq sound so trivial mang lol..i can almost picture you shrug as ya typed that...
seriously mate ..you didn't also buy the " only a few civillian casualties" "our bombs only killed the bad people" line didcha?
how about this for conspiracy theories...ex dead prime minister of pakistan benazir is dead within 2 weeks of saying on UK teli that osama ws murdered and is already dead
below is the video ...why did this NOT make news in the US...i mean bush did declare paki as a friend nation yes? A world leader and a friend in the fight against terrorism says that and it goes unnoticed?? ???
little homeless kids on the streets of pakistan know that osama ws in renal faliure...i dont think caves have dylasis machines
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Everyone needs to understand that the president is a USELESS figure who takes his orders from HIGHER UPS....In order to understand what is happening in america and the world one must first understand the system that is government. It should be obvious now that america is NOT a democracy. It should be clear that BIG BUSINESS and INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE run america...not a president. Obama has said/promised much before he was actually made president...NONE OF IT WILL HAPPEN. His agenda will be what those who he answers to say it is...just like George Bush and every president before him. Does anyone really think George Bush had anything in his head other than the thought of the next swig of Jack Daniels??? He was told what to say, what to do, and how to say or do it. He (now Obama is being used) is bringing into being the type of world those influential people and big business wants. Senior Bush called it a New World Order. It is a term that was around long before senior Bush, so that informs everyone how long these persons and businesses have been in power bringing what they want into being. The masses have no say and can do nothing about it. To add justifications to their actions these influential people plan terrorist attacks, wars, propaganda, they control the media, the news, opinions, mindsets and they use it to their advantage. When the war was needed to justify stealing Iraqs oil...a staged event was orchestrated, the world trade was controlled demolitioned, pentagon hit with a missile and the media used to propagate LIES AND DECEIT to justify war. Here we are again with a orchestrated financial meltdown, mortgage meltdown, incompetence in government(deliberate) and a world wide disaster in the financial markets neext will be riots over money as banks close, food riots as stores close, job riots as more industries close then mass chaos...all orchestrated to serve a purpose.
paragraphs please
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hey Grant mate..long time..Toxic here..
anyhow..ya prolly wont watch this...its dry..but this is my take on it
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574387786893863155&ei=uRifSZPUGZTWqALt5t3XDw&q=secret+govt&hl=en
btw..this guy in the vid is dead now...
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/cooper_update.htm
Hey Toxie! I must definitely WILL watch this. Besides .... you are Pakistani right? So I want to hear all views on this issue!
(Watching the West Indies play England in cricket?)
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u make the invasion of Iraq sound so trivial mang lol ..i can almost picture you shrug as ya typed that...
No Toxie...I don't believe that invading Iraq is trivial to the powers-that-be .... the same people that pulled the strings on Bush ... (and now on Obama). It's very important to them.
What I meant was ...that although the oil issue to so important to the-powers-that-be in this country .... to the common person at the gas tank (like you or me) it seems gas prices are far more trivial than needing to kill 3500 innocent Americans in the Twin Towers, etc, to secure good oil prices .... whether we allowed Bin Laden to do it (despite having all CIA intellegence on his plans) .... or our CIA setting it up from the the inside?
What I was asking Hugo, and SAMSON, was ..... is how can a couple of hundred of "inside" people conduct such a travesty (on their average salaries paid for with our taxes) against the American public on 9/11 ...... and no-one ever come forward with a confession of this?
Not one soul involved in this, with an ounce of guilt, will come forward?????
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Hey Toxie! I must definitely WILL watch this. Besides .... you are Pakistani right? So I want to hear all views on this issue!
well you'll be the first then mate...remember i dont believe in this stuff as an absolute...only a possibility...
and that'll be EX paki mang! :D
Watching the West Indies play England in cricket?)
i live in Maryland man...ya gotta pay an arm n a leg to watch cric on satellite here mate, and even then with the time difference ya end up having to wake up at some wierd hour to watch a game you wont e able to catch the end of >:(
wish America had a cricket team
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No Toxie...I don't believe that invading Iraq is trivial to the powers-that-be .... the same people that pulled the strings on Bush ... (and now on Obama). It's very important to them.
What I meant was ...that although the oil issue to so important to the-powers-that-be in this country .... to the common person at the gas tank (like you or me) it seems gas prices are far more trivial than needing to kill 3500 innocent Americans in the Twin Towers, etc, to secure good oil prices .... whether we allowed Bin Laden to do it (despite having all CIA intellegence on his plans) .... or our CIA setting it up from the the inside?
What I was asking Hugo, and SAMSON, was ..... is how can a couple of hundred of "inside" people conduct such a travesty (on their average salaries paid for with our taxes) against the American public on 9/11 ...... and no-one ever come forward with a confession of this?
Not one soul involved in this, with an ounce of guilt, will come forward?????
firstly , i dont think these folks have an ounce of guilt...nor will we hear a confession...
hell such would be un imaginable in Pakistan (ie confessions and guilt) and pakistan is a 3rd world poor country...
can you fathom to even assume how much better controlled such an industry would be in the US??
i really dont think they give a shit about 3500 people.....you must be a nice dood that such a though is incomprehensibly unfathomable to you but such people do exist...
history has proven that time n again
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Hugo, the problem is that this new world/one world elite order you guys speak about has Obama in charge now and we voted him in for change? Having McCain in power would suite your theory much much better? More of the same, no?
And I still just don't buy that this "elite class" (that you claim has been brainwashed) would allow the deaths of thousands of fellow Americans in an inside job in those Twin Towers?
Nazi's (brainwashed by Hitler) killing Jews? I believe that. The Jihad killing Israeli's (or Americans) around the world? I buy that. Israeli's killing Palestinians in the Gaza Strip? We've seen that. The Shona killing Matabele's in Zimbabwe. I have witnessed that.
But governmental Americans killing 3500 fellow Americans in the Twin Towers on 9/11? That seems a tough sell?
how'd that work out for Kennedy after he set movements in motion to shut the psycho element down?
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They should get this crap shut down right away, but I have a feeling they have something on their side... C... I... A...
What he said is pure bullshit, these guys are not protected by the constitution ::) Leave it up to this Christian group to be that clueless. They have WMD and we can't do anything, BWHAHAhahahahahahaha... Total setup, planed, inside job... It will be some group like this that launches massive attacks and we'll hear about all the failures and you'll officially be in a full fledged police state. fucking sheep, you guys will just take everything handed to you as gospel to the whole truth.
Great post. :)
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how'd that work out for Kennedy after he set movements in motion to shut the psycho element down?
JFK???? So.... an intelligent man-of-change like Obama ... who you voted for... is gonna catch a slug to the head and another through his back while he is parading through Texas with his wife on National TV?
For one..... They don't parade in open air 1964 Lincoln Continentals anymore .......?
And for two .... who would shoot and kill a man we all love .... the man-of-change????
Crazy talk, Hugo?
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JFK???? So.... an intelligent man-of-change like Obama ... who you voted for... is gonna catch a slug to the head and another through his back while he is parading through Texas with his wife on National TV?
For one..... They don't parade in open air 1964 Lincoln Continentals anymore .......?
And for two .... who would shoot and kill a man we all love .... the man-of-change????
Crazy talk, Hugo?
you missed the point.
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Hugo ...... I'm just asking you to explain it better to me......
Don't talk in riddles .... the CIA is not watching us at Getbig?
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Rob, I am glad you joined us. I wanted to get your feed-back on this issue. Can you throw in your 2 cents on these Jihad camps? I want to hear it.
Yes.
if they were real, the govt would have shut them down already. A kid mentions something stupid on a message board and they swarm his ass. You're telling me dudes are running around scremaing about juhad for the cameras and feds can't stop them?
Right.
Dude, it's FOX. I watch it every day. They overdramatize things. Countless times, they'll show some nutjob pondering something and report it as news. They frequently use supposition to try to drum up a story. Remember when the FOX anchor said "handshake with wife, or SECRET TERRORIST FIST BUMP?" WTF was that? They make shit sound a lot worse than it really is for the sake of sensationalism. FOX has been cause 2-3 weeks ago actually using the Republican Party talking points - including typos - as their news stories. I like FOX a lot, because I recognize it's a party mouthpiece for the GOP.
Grant, you're a smart guy, but come on here... both libs and repubs do the same thing - act like drama queen bitches about things. People with common sense are in the middle.
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Hugo, the problem is that this new world/one world elite order you guys speak about has Obama in charge now and we voted him in for change? Having McCain in power would suite your theory much much better? More of the same, no?
And I still just don't buy that this "elite class" (that you claim has been brainwashed) would allow the deaths of thousands of fellow Americans in an inside job in those Twin Towers?
Nazi's (brainwashed by Hitler) killing Jews? I believe that. The Jihad killing Israeli's (or Americans) around the world? I buy that. Israeli's killing Palestinians in the Gaza Strip? We've seen that. The Shona killing Matabele's in Zimbabwe. I have witnessed that.
But governmental Americans killing 3500 fellow Americans in the Twin Towers on 9/11? That seems a tough sell?
Why? All ego & narcissism aside...are American's somehow more intrinsically intelligent than Germans, Palestinians, Israeli's or Zimbabweans? Seems to me history has shown us over & over again, that when powerful entities within a country attempt to incite "genocidal patriotism" within their populace, they often meet with some degree of success. Granted it does require a certain amount of arrogance & hubris, ...but that's something the US hasn't really been in short supply of these past 8 years.