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Title: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 10:37:04 AM
Obama gets an A for style (as usual) and a D for content.  He doesn't get it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.   

I'd give Jindal a C for style and A for content.   He gets it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.

I'd love to see Jindal become more of a national figure.     
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 25, 2009, 10:40:43 AM
Obama gets an A for style (as usual) and a D for content.  He doesn't get it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.   

I'd give Jindal a C for style and A for content.   He gets it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.

I'd love to see Jindal become more of a national figure.     

The sad reality of America 2009 is that style is as important as substance if not more.

I did not like what I saw last night. 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 10:43:38 AM
The sad reality of America 2009 is that style is as important as substance if not more.


Absolutely true.  That's why Obama is president and why someone like Ron Paul will never be president. 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 25, 2009, 10:47:05 AM
Obama gets an A for style (as usual) and a D for content.  He doesn't get it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.   

I'd give Jindal a C for style and A for content.   He gets it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.

I'd love to see Jindal become more of a national figure.     
big brother?... I was wondering when you inner conspiracy theorist would surface :D
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Butterbean on February 25, 2009, 10:48:28 AM
I tried to watch but couldn't.  I know it's irresponsible.  Maybe it was bad Orange Roughy (seriously).
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 25, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
These speeches aren't meant to be a line by line explanation of policy.

Obama hit addressed primary points and concerns (IMO) and addressed the criticism that have been flopping around in the media.

Jindal was horrid on both presentation and content.  

The guy is no doubt smart and does well when talking on his own but he bombed last night



Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 10:54:08 AM
big brother?... I was wondering when you inner conspiracy theorist would surface :D

Hardly.  :)   
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 25, 2009, 10:55:26 AM
These speeches aren't meant to be a line by line explanation of policy.

Obama hit addressed primary points and concerns (IMO) and addressed the criticism that have been flopping around in the media.

Jindal was horrid on both presentation and content.  

The guy is no doubt smart and does well when talking on his own but he bombed last night






Go watch the Schiff video I posted and tell me exactly what Schiff got wrong.

Serious, Schiff breaksd is down detail wise.  Tell me specifically where Schiff is wrong in that Obama is going to destroy this economy even worse.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 10:57:19 AM
I tried to watch but couldn't.  I know it's irresponsible.  Maybe it was bad Orange Roughy (seriously).

Not irresponsible at all. 

What is Orange Roughy? 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Butterbean on February 25, 2009, 11:02:54 AM


What is Orange Roughy? 
Fish. 

Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 25, 2009, 11:07:10 AM
You cannot say Jindal was horrid on content, its just that you don't agree with true conservative philosophy of limited government.  The content was right on in my opinion.  The gov should work for the people to protect us.  We should not be reliant on the gov and its programs.  This is what Obama is setting up.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
Fish. 



Ah so.  Thanks.  Having a Rolaids moment?   :D  I'm a vegetarian.   :)
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
You cannot say Jindal was horrid on content, its just that you don't agree with true conservative philosophy of limited government.  The content was right on in my opinion.  The gov should work for the people to protect us.  We should not be reliant on the gov and its programs.  This is what Obama is setting up.

Yeah.  Agree.  He was on the money.  Stark contrast with Obama.  It seemed like all Obama talked about was how the government was going spend money on one thing or another . . . and restrict private sector compensation.  ::)
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 25, 2009, 11:25:37 AM
You cannot say Jindal was horrid on content, its just that you don't agree with true conservative philosophy of limited government.  The content was right on in my opinion.  The gov should work for the people to protect us.  We should not be reliant on the gov and its programs.  This is what Obama is setting up.

maybe I've just forgotten what limited government looks like since no Republican (including Reagan) has ever actually done it.

Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Butterbean on February 25, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
Ah so.  Thanks.  Having a Rolaids moment?   :D  I'm a vegetarian.   :)
Are you vegan?  I thought vegetarians could eat fish?

Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 11:38:15 AM
Are you vegan?  I thought vegetarians could eat fish?



Quasi-vegan.  There are different definitions of vegetarian.  Some people who only eat chicken and fish call themselves vegetarian.  I don't agree. 

There are ovo-lacto (or lacto-ovo, not sure which is correct), who eat no animal foods, but use dairy (milk, eggs, cheese). 

I've been ovo-lacto for 19 years and gave up eggs and cheese a few years ago after reading The China Study. 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 25, 2009, 11:51:22 AM
Quasi-vegan.  There are different definitions of vegetarian.  Some people who only eat chicken and fish call themselves vegetarian.  I don't agree. 

There are ovo-lacto (or lacto-ovo, not sure which is correct), who eat no animal foods, but use dairy (milk, eggs, cheese). 

I've been ovo-lacto for 19 years and gave up eggs and cheese a few years ago after reading The China Study. 

what's a typical day of eating look like?
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Butterbean on February 25, 2009, 11:53:18 AM
what's a typical day of eating look like?
x2


I just watched a vid of a worm pulled out of a lady's brain because she ate uncooked pork.  Wonder if I could do the quasi-vegan thing.


(didn't mean to derail the thread)
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dan-O on February 25, 2009, 12:00:16 PM
x2


I just watched a vid of a worm pulled out of a lady's brain because she ate uncooked pork.  Wonder if I could do the quasi-vegan thing.


(didn't mean to derail the thread)

Ewwwww!!!  You just derailed my lunch!!
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 25, 2009, 12:01:53 PM
x2


I just watched a vid of a worm pulled out of a lady's brain because she ate uncooked pork.  Wonder if I could do the quasi-vegan thing.


(didn't mean to derail the thread)

No big deal.  I'm sure it will re-rail itself.

Bum - do you eat fish?  Don't they have great fish in Hawaii and sushi too.

Where do you get your protein?
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 12:05:25 PM
Typical eating day looks similar to a carnivore, but without the real thing.  Yesterday:

Meal 1:  50 grams of soy protein, 5 g of creatine, orange.  

Meal 2:  Cinnamon Roll oatmeal with raisins, almonds, banana.

Meal 3:  Subway wrap with avocado, veggies, veggie patty (which isn't that good).  

Meal 4:  Tortilla chips with NO guacamole that my brat kids ate.   >:( >:( >:(

Meal 5:  Vegetarian chicken strips and broccoli over rice.  Lots of Tabasco.  Huge salad with tomatoes, bacon bits, kidney beans, and veganese (fake mayo).  Big Pacific Rose apple.  

Today:

Meal 1:  leftovers from yesterday's Meal 5, orange.  

Meal 2:  about to have oatmeal and raisins again . . . .

We use lots of meat substitutes.  Not tofu.  Made out of soybean.  Really good stuff.  There is imitation steak, burgers, chicken, fish, tuna, corn dogs (which I think my kids put in my lunch today), duck, bologna, turkey, etc., etc.  We just substitute the fake stuff anywhere you'd use the real thing.  It has really improved over the years.  

Now I'm really hungry . . . .  
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 12:09:34 PM
x2


I just watched a vid of a worm pulled out of a lady's brain because she ate uncooked pork.  Wonder if I could do the quasi-vegan thing.


(didn't mean to derail the thread)

Ah trichinosis alive and well I see. 

Years ago a friend of mine returned ground beef to the butcher because it had maggots.  He asked the butcher if it ever happened to him.  Butcher said:  "are you kidding?  I don't eat that stuff."   :D
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
No big deal.  I'm sure it will re-rail itself.

Bum - do you eat fish?  Don't they have great fish in Hawaii and sushi too.

Where do you get your protein?

I don't eat fish.  Not the real thing anway.  We have veggie fish every once in a while. 

I take anywhere from 50 to 100 grams of soy a day.  Plus I get plenty from plant sources (high protein veggie meat, beans, nuts, etc.). 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 25, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
you would normally have a meal of chips and guac?

is this just for health reasons or something else.

I would go nuts eating fish and sushi if I lived in Hawaii.

I'm going to go have sushi for lunch here in a few minutes:

http://www.jatbar.com/reviews/Palo_Alto/Hommas_Brown_Rice_Sushi.asp

btw - do you think Jindal is a vegetarian?  He's looks emaciated and he's Indian and many of them are vegetarian
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 12:21:03 PM
No.  I had a craving that my kids ruined.  But they will be making a donation to the Beach Bum Guacamole Fund this weekend, so I'll have a chance to eat it. 

It's purely for health reasons.  My family tree is terrible (cancer, heart disease, etc. all over the place).  I made the connection between diet and disease when a friend of mine had a heart attack.  He didn't smoke or drink.  Lived a pretty clean life.  The doc pretty much turned him into a vegetarian, telling him his heart disease was diet related.  I started doing homework and realized that what the doc said was true.  I wanted to reduce my risk factors.  Easily one of the best things I've ever done.  I rarely get sick (colds, etc.).  I never have stomach problems.  I feel great.  While my dad took medication for his blood pressure and cholesterol, my numbers are normal.  I'm not immune, but I've significantly reduced the risk of getting sick (both short-term and long-term illnesses).  And I didn't really give up anything.  I don't miss the real thing because the substitutes are so good.   

You should read The China Study.  Fascinating book.  A friend of mine was talking my ear off about it and I finally got it.  Some eye opening stuff.     
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: 240 is Back on February 25, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
B- for jindal's content.

Really, the bio on obama was unnecessary.  He droned on and on.  He could have used that time to kick the stim package in the balls and deliver a better solution.

maybe he doesnt have one.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Hedgehog on February 25, 2009, 02:29:26 PM
I tried to watch but couldn't.
Why couldn't you?
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Butterbean on February 25, 2009, 03:37:18 PM
bacon bits,

Are those soy?


What brand name imitation meats do you think tastes best?


Would reading the China Study make me cry?  No details please.


Thanks for all this info Beach!





Why couldn't you?
Felt sick - couldn't concentrate on what he was saying - plus Nancy Pelosi was freaking me out.  Can't pinpoint why.  I think it was the fish.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dan-O on February 25, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
Are those soy?


What brand name imitation meats do you think tastes best?


Would reading the China Study make me cry?  No details please.


Thanks for all this info Beach!




Felt sick - couldn't concentrate on what he was saying - plus Nancy Pelosi was freaking me out.  Can't pinpoint why.  I think it was the fish.

Dude, I know!!!  It wasn't just the fish, you're being way too generous.  Having to stare at Biden's & Pelosi's mugs (especially Pelosi's) in the background during Obama's entire speech was distracting to say the least.  Ewwwwww.  And the way she did her cheesy, smiley, happy-happy drama queen introduction before Obama's speech...  Ewwwww again.  That came across as even more patronizing than Jindal's alleged "Mr. Rogers" bit.  Dang that woman grates on my nerves.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 25, 2009, 04:54:03 PM
Are those soy?


What brand name imitation meats do you think tastes best?


Would reading the China Study make me cry?  No details please.


Thanks for all this info Beach!


No problem . . . (I was going to say mang.  What's the female equivalent?). 

I'm not sure what the bacon bits are made out of.  Could be soy, but I'm not sure.  It's the regular kind you find on the shelf that isn't made from real bacon. 

I think Worthington makes the best products.  http://www.seeveggiesdifferently.com/products.aspx?coid=23|59|59&family=363|634|675 

That's the brand we use most often.  Here is what I had last night (the chicken strips I mentioned):
http://www.seeveggiesdifferently.com/product_detail.aspx?family=366&id=4971

You can usually find these in the frozen foods section at any store (Safeway, Foodland, etc.). 

Not sure if The China Study will make you cry,  :D, but it will challenge what you've been taught about diet your entire life.  I know you don't want details, but one of the things I learned is that doctors get almost no training in nutrition, so they really aren't in the best position to give us advice about diet. 

One more detail (sorry):  I gave up dairy because of the link between dairy and prostate cancer, and my dad had prostate cancer (among other things).  Okay one more . . . there is also a link between dairy and juvenile diabetes.  And who guess who sponsors juvenile diabetes campaigns here?  Meadow Gold (milk manufacturer). 

But I encourage you to read it.  It is well written and, unlike many "science" books, it's an easy read.     
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 25, 2009, 07:50:11 PM
Obama gets an A for style (as usual) and a D for content.  He doesn't get it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.   

I'd give Jindal a C for style and A for content.   He gets it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.

I'd love to see Jindal become more of a national figure.     

Isn't David Brooks a conservative?

He doesn't seem very impressed with the content of Jindals speech

Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: 240 is Back on February 25, 2009, 08:00:07 PM
Tom Delay denied Brooks was a conservative.  Because he had the audacity to say Jindal's speech wasn't all that great.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 25, 2009, 08:01:51 PM
plus Nancy Pelosi was freaking me out.  Can't pinpoint why.  I think it was the fish.

I didn't have any fish and she freaks me out.  ;D
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 25, 2009, 08:10:56 PM
Tom Delay denied Brooks was a conservative.  Because he had the audacity to say Jindal's speech wasn't all that great.

Brooks is a traditional conservative

Delay is NeoCon, a criminal and a thug

the Rep platform has been hijacked and their only hope of survival is to take it back
 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: 240 is Back on February 25, 2009, 10:31:50 PM
Delay is NeoCon, a criminal and a thug

slow down, it's not like DeLay broke any laws of anything.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Hedgehog on February 26, 2009, 02:38:12 AM
I didn't have any fish and she freaks me out.  ;D
I think this witchhunt of Pelosi is starting to go a little too far.

Being 'freaked out' by looking at her?

Critisize her politics and not her looks.

That whole bay area rat story is another example - turned out to be totally false and just a smearing campaign.

Gotta be fair with her like with anyone else.
JMO.   
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on February 26, 2009, 02:50:19 AM
I think this witchhunt of Pelosi is starting to go a little too far.

Being 'freaked out' by looking at her?

Critisize her politics and not her looks.

That whole bay area rat story is another example - turned out to be totally false and just a smearing campaign.

Gotta be fair with her like with anyone else.
JMO.   

It was a joke.  Relax  :)
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Hedgehog on February 26, 2009, 05:18:10 AM
It was a joke.  Relax  :)
Internets. Serious businesses.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Butterbean on February 26, 2009, 06:17:18 AM


Critisize her politics and not her looks.


I actually think she is quite pretty.  I told you it must have been the fish!   And politically, no, I do not agree w/her on many issues.


It was a joke.  Relax  :)

Internets. Serious businesses.
;D


Beach, thanks again for that info.  I've eaten Morningstar Farms "burgers" and they do taste good.  I will look for more stuff. Thanks!
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 26, 2009, 06:53:31 AM
"maybe I've just forgotten what limited government looks like since no Republican (including Reagan) has ever actually done it".

Well, Reagan had his hands completely full after Carter so he did some deficit spending but he really turned the economy around by his programs and tax cuts (real tax cuts for people and for business).  Seems Obama is following in Carter's footsteps and we'll need a conservative to cut back the overbearing gov that Obama is creating.  Otherwise, I agree with you.  Seems like power corrupts everyone who takes control.  Bush 2 and Obama have been horrible with expanding the size of gov.

Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2009, 06:57:27 AM
"maybe I've just forgotten what limited government looks like since no Republican (including Reagan) has ever actually done it".

Well, Reagan had his hands completely full after Carter so he did some deficit spending but he really turned the economy around by his programs and tax cuts (real tax cuts for people and for business).  Seems Obama is following in Carter's footsteps and we'll need a conservative to cut back the overbearing gov that Obama is creating.  Otherwise, I agree with you.  Seems like power corrupts everyone who takes control.  Bush 2 and Obama have been horrible with expanding the size of gov.



This budget proposal of his is a complete disaster.  I dont want to hear the name GWB ever again after what Obama has done just in the last month.

He has dwarfed everything BUSH did by many multipliers already. 

_______________________
WTC
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 26, 2009, 07:26:26 AM
True.  Anyone who faulted Bush for excessive spending needs to look at whats going on here because Obama is spending on another level.
He may cut the budget in the second half of his term but that is after 2-3 trillion is spent on his projects and bailouts this year.  Working people will have to pay for this...thats what people are ignoring.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2009, 07:27:33 AM
True.  Anyone who faulted Bush for excessive spending needs to look at whats going on here because Obama is spending on another level.
He may cut the budget in the second half of his term but that is after 2-3 trillion is spent on his projects and bailouts this year.  Working people will have to pay for this...thats what people are ignoring.

Obama is the biggest liar and fraud I have seen in my lifetime.

In one month he literally triples the deficit and then claims to want to cut it in half.

 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 07:33:16 AM
Obama is the biggest liar and fraud I have seen in my lifetime.

In one month he literally triples the deficit and then claims to want to cut it in half.


wow - can I borrow you time machine sometime.

President Barack Obama wants to cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his first term.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2009, 07:35:22 AM
wow - can I borrow you time machine sometime.

President Barack Obama wants to cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his first term.


Drinking again????

Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: BM OUT on February 26, 2009, 07:38:29 AM
big brother?... I was wondering when you inner conspiracy theorist would surface :D

Your right,Obama is in NO WAY my brother,my father,my friend,my neighbor,my countryman.He is a piece of crap,giving the country away to minorities.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 07:41:39 AM
Drinking again????

great response.

The point you obviously missed is that you're criticizing something that he wants achieve 4 years from now. 

how can he by lying about something he wants to achieve 4 years from now?
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2009, 07:53:38 AM
great response.

The point you obviously missed is that you're criticizing something that he wants achieve 4 years from now. 

how can he by lying about something he wants to achieve 4 years from now?

Please, he is spending on levels not even LBJ did. 

Give it up.  Face the facts, your socialist messiah makes GWB look like a cheap date with WTF he is doing.

A Trillion in new welfare spending and bs tax credits.
410 billion in spending (8% increase in discretionary spending)
643 billion in health care
1 Billion to Gaza

Dont talk to me ever about GWB again.  Obama is a spendthrift and doing cocaine again at the pace is spending every, their children, and their childrens' childrens' money.

 
 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 08:25:18 AM
Please, he is spending on levels not even LBJ did. 

Give it up.  Face the facts, your socialist messiah makes GWB look like a cheap date with WTF he is doing.

A Trillion in new welfare spending and bs tax credits.
410 billion in spending (8% increase in discretionary spending)
643 billion in health care
1 Billion to Gaza

Dont talk to me ever about GWB again.  Obama is a spendthrift and doing cocaine again at the pace is spending every, their children, and their childrens' childrens' money.

no joke man - you rant and rave like someone who is off their med's

I am just as suprised as anyone that Obama wants to cut the budget deficit by the end of his first term.  That's an ambitious goal given the spending he's proposing.  Let's not forget that he's going to include the wars in Iraq and Afganistan in the budget so maybe he figures his 2012 budget deficit will be half of this years based on spending much less in Iraq. 

Either way, I'm willing to wait and see some results rather than foam at the mouth like you do on a daily basis on this site
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Hedgehog on February 26, 2009, 09:10:24 AM
"maybe I've just forgotten what limited government looks like since no Republican (including Reagan) has ever actually done it".

Well, Reagan had his hands completely full after Carter so he did some deficit spending but he really turned the economy around by his programs and tax cuts (real tax cuts for people and for business).  Seems Obama is following in Carter's footsteps and we'll need a conservative to cut back the overbearing gov that Obama is creating.  Otherwise, I agree with you.  Seems like power corrupts everyone who takes control.  Bush 2 and Obama have been horrible with expanding the size of gov.



Some deficit spending?

You realize that Carter balanced the budget.

And Reagan did not?

Regardless of what you may think of Carter, I think you perhaps should revise your opinion of Reagan's economic policies.

Reagan got USA into the constant deficit budget spiral.

He continued the deficit budgets even when the economy was running well.

That's totally irresponsible.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: shootfighter1 on February 26, 2009, 09:23:13 AM
I believe that Reagan appropriated 6% deficit spending as a proportion of GDP.  Obama is proposing deficit spending of nearly 13%.
Reagan cut taxes and drastically improved unemployment.  I supposed some good, some bad, but overall, his administration was very sucessful.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 09:55:38 AM
I believe that Reagan appropriated 6% deficit spending as a proportion of GDP.  Obama is proposing deficit spending of nearly 13%.
Reagan cut taxes and drastically improved unemployment.  I supposed some good, some bad, but overall, his administration was very sucessful.

Reagan also raised the payroll tax specifically to create a surplus which he then borrowed to fill the gaps left by his tax cuts.  He basically increased taxes on workers to pay for tax cuts to the wealthly.
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2009, 10:47:48 AM
Isn't David Brooks a conservative?

He doesn't seem very impressed with the content of Jindals speech



So.  And? 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2009, 10:50:35 AM

Beach, thanks again for that info.  I've eaten Morningstar Farms "burgers" and they do taste good.  I will look for more stuff. Thanks!

No problem.  We had Buffalo Wings last night.   :)  http://www.seeveggiesdifferently.com/product_detail.aspx?family=365&id=317
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
So.  And? 

so and.....here's a true conservative responding immediately after hearing Jindal's comments and being extremely critical of the content.

Brooks is a conservative who understands that in time like these it is actually the role of the goverment to take action and in fact the government is the only entity large enough to take action and have some effect. 
Doing nothing would be a disaster.  This has nothing to do with "Big Brother" or other such jargon.

Obama gets an A for style (as usual) and a D for content.  He doesn't get it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.   

I'd give Jindal a C for style and A for content.   He gets it:  Big Brother is not the answer to all of our problems.

I'd love to see Jindal become more of a national figure.     
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
No problem.  We had Buffalo Wings last night.   :)  http://www.seeveggiesdifferently.com/product_detail.aspx?family=365&id=317

do these taste good.  Do you dip them in something?
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2009, 11:21:45 AM
so and.....here's a true conservative responding immediately after hearing Jindal's comments and being extremely critical of the content.

Brooks is a conservative who understands that in time like these it is actually the role of the goverment to take action and in fact the government is the only entity large enough to take action and have some effect. 
Doing nothing would be a disaster.  This has nothing to do with "Big Brother" or other such jargon.


It's a conservative with a different opinion.  Big deal. 

What Jindal said is right on the money.  I really don't care if his delivery was average.  But because style is more important than substance when it comes to presidential elections, he'll definitely have to work on his delivery if he's going to be a serious national candidate.   
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Dos Equis on February 26, 2009, 11:24:22 AM
do these taste good.  Do you dip them in something?

Yep.  Very good.  My wife did the sweet and sour thing last night.  I don't really like that, but I drown it with Tabasco when she does that.  My kids usually use Ranch dressing for those.  Good stuff. 
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 11:27:28 AM
It's a conservative with a different opinion.  Big deal. 

What Jindal said is right on the money.  I really don't care if his delivery was average.  But because style is more important than substance when it comes to presidential elections, he'll definitely have to work on his delivery if he's going to be a serious national candidate.   

he actually critical of the current plan but even more critical of the "do nothing" talking point that is making the rounds.  I think Brooks was more critical of the content than anything else and really didn't spend much time on the style or delivery
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 26, 2009, 11:49:06 AM
he actually critical of the current plan but even more critical of the "do nothing" talking point that is making the rounds.  I think Brooks was more critical of the content than anything else and really didn't spend much time on the style or delivery

TRILLION OF NEW TAXES AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT JINDAL??????
Title: Re: Grading the Speeches
Post by: Straw Man on February 26, 2009, 12:01:28 PM
TRILLION OF NEW TAXES AND YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT JINDAL??????

Isn't Jindal one of the subjects of this thread?