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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: big L dawg on February 25, 2009, 11:06:58 AM
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what do you guys think?I know quiet a few people that have died from cigarette's.and even More that have completely ruined there lives from alcohol.yet know plenty marijuana useres that live productive lives.plus out of these three drugs mary Jane is the most bodybuilding friendly.
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what do you guys think?I know quiet a few people that have died from cigarette's.and even More that have completely ruined there lives from alcohol.yet know plenty marijuana useres that live productive lives.plus out of these three drugs mary Jane is the most bodybuilding friendly.
first it's marijuana, then acid, then cocaine, then bank robberies, rape, murder and then steroids and on to the IFBB as a Pro
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first it's marijuana, then acid, then cocaine, then bank robberies, rape, murder and then steroids and on to the IFBB as a Pro
Exactly. Think of the children.
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Few politicians have the balls to back such a bill. This country is full of scared weak people.
Legalize it all. People are going to do what they do either way. The government would get more money taxing it, obviously. Spend less on bullshit "drug prevention" campaigns. Spend less on police/jail guards, due to less crime. You'd experience a few more deaths a year from more people experimenting, but so what.
This will never happen of course, but I'm sure most would be shocked at how things would possibly be better, not worse.
As far as weed, 10% of America smoke anyway, so might as well tax it. The thought of people doing hard time for selling weed, is laughable.
Next on the list, NO SPEED LIMITS outside big cities. Stricter driving tests. Fewer accidents guaranteed. This will never happen because the car industry would suffer with only 25% of current drivers to buy their cars. The fact that old people are even allowed to get behind the wheel, is a disgrace to everyone with a license. Oh, women too, of course. Another upside, less resources taken, less traffic.
Then, tax SUV's more on gas. These thing suck twice the gas, for no good reason. It's great if you like a bigger car, but reality is, few need them.
The fact they tax cigarettes/alcohol because they're "bad" for you, is a joke. The government, tax this, oh but not this. If something is bad for you, shouldn't it be "illegal" like weed.
I need to chill on the caffeine.
Out. ;D
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Few politicians have the balls to back such a bill. This country is full of scared weak people.
Legalize it all. People are going to do what they do either way. The government would get more money taxing it, obviously. Spend less on bullshit "drug prevention" campaigns. Spend less on police/jail guards, due to less crime. You'd experience a few more deaths a year from more people experimenting, but so what.
This will never happen of course, but I'm sure most would be shocked at how things would possibly be better, not worse.
As far as weed, 10% of America smoke anyway, so might as well tax it. The thought of people doing hard time for selling weed, is laughable.
Next on the list, NO SPEED LIMITS outside big cities. Stricter driving tests. Fewer accidents guaranteed. This will never happen because the car industry would suffer with only 25% of current drivers, would still be driving. The fact that old people are even allowed to get behind the wheel, is a disgrace to everyone with a license. Oh, women too, of course. Another upside, less resources taken, less traffic.
Then, tax SUV's more on gas. These thing suck twice the gas, for no good reason. It's great if you like a bigger car, but reality is, few need them.
The fact they tax cigarettes/alcohol because they're "bad" for you, is a joke. The government, tax this, oh but not this. If something is bad for you, shouldn't it be "illegal" like weed.
I need to chill on the caffeine.
Out. ;D
Run for office! ;D
Brilliant ideas
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Marijuana will drive you insane and give you brain cancer!!!
It will make you quit your job and murder your family!!!
It will make you become a crackhead!!!
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Marijuana will drive you insane and give you brain cancer!!!
It will make you quit your job and murder your family!!!
It will make you become a crackhead!!!
But alcohol is so much better right?
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Anyone who thinks that Marijuana SHOULD be ILLEGAL needs a brisk strike from a baseball bat to the cranium.
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Not this shit again....
the problem with marijuana is there is no credible way of determining how high somebody is. You cant have ppl driving around stoned out of their fuking minds man shit just isnt safe. How would you regulate that aspect of it?
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Not this shit again....
the problem with marijuana is there is no credible way of determining how high somebody is. You cant have ppl driving around stoned out of their fuking minds man shit just isnt safe. How would you regulate that aspect of it?
I'd rather have someone hit the bong and go out driving than someone that just left a bar anyday
drunk drivers = fear of head on collisions
stoned drivers= getting stuck behind someone doing 55 in the fast lane
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I'd rather have someone hit the bong and go out driving than someone that just left a bar anyday
drunk drivers = fear of head on collisions
stoned drivers= getting stuck behind someone doing 55 in the fast lane
LOL done that many a times, unfortunately you know and i know that like i stated there is no credible way of determining how high somebody is and a person who is really high is dangerous on the road bro.
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did it ever occur to you that the issue is already there ::) You get pulled over high now, you're going down for it. it won't be any different when it's legal.
"Significant work is being done to develop and implement modified field sobriety tests, which measure the behavior of drivers (reaction time, for example) rather than their bodily fluids.
MPP recommends a policy similar to most state laws on driving under the influence of alcohol: A driver who fails a roadside sobriety test should be required to submit to a blood test by a trained medical professional — or risk criminal and administrative sanctions."
and they can tell the levels with a blood test so if you get pulled over, smell like pot and can't pass the sobriety test, you'd probably get taken in for a blood test. That happens already.
the reason you go down for it now bro is its illegal, when its legal are you proposing that you cant drive high? How will they tell your high? blood test? whats the limit? LOL again ppl dont take into account other problems created by getting rid of ONE. Im all for legalizing weed and steroids for that matter but weed needs to be able to be regulated and as of right now it cannot be.
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Hugo.
Be nice. >:(
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::) I am constantly amazed at the stupidity you display. fucking read what I posted, slowly. Yet again you ask questions already answered. You get an idea locked into your head and there seems to be a barrier you put up that prevents you from reading or listening to what's being said. truly amazing.
i read your fuking post bro stfu and comprefukinhend...you said blood tests i said whats the limit? Maybe you knee jerked like usual and didnt read my post entirely im for legalizing it but at this time its not a feasable option.
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Officer sees lit marijuana in car while someone is operating it. They go to jail.
Officer smells marijuana in car and sees it (lit or not). They go to jail.
Officer determines that they might be high. They go to jail for a day.
Currently officers ALREADY have discretion when dealing with people who "might" be intoxicated or high. They take them to jail anyway if they are driving erratically. Even if they are not intoxicated or high, they can't protest it if the officer thinks that they might be. Just a night in holding.
But for the most part. People drive much better on Marijuana than alcohol. I know people who drive while using marijuana constantly. Alcohol is a whole different ballgame.
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weed should be LEGALIZED and TAXED, easy enough. If someone gets caught drinking and driving, your done, it should be the same as pot, you get pulled over high, your busted. There should be no reason why we cant sit at home and smoke and chill/relax. I work 8-10 hour days, workout, then come home, eat and smoke little bit (im smoking while typing this lol)
i doubt any of this will happen anytime soon but you never know, i didnt think i would see a black presodent this soon either lol as they keeping pushing the subject, more heads will turn, we just need the right people to propose these ideas.
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Officer sees lit marijuana in car while someone is operating it. They go to jail.
Officer smells marijuana in car and sees it (lit or not). They go to jail.
Officer determines that they might be high. They go to jail for a day.
Currently officers ALREADY have discretion when dealing with people who "might" be intoxicated or high. They take them to jail anyway if they are driving erratically. Even if they are not intoxicated or high, they can't protest it if the officer thinks that they might be. Just a night in holding.
But for the most part. People drive much better on Marijuana than alcohol. I know people who drive while using marijuana constantly. Alcohol is a whole different ballgame.
with that quote, your right about going to jail, if they think your high but cant find ANYTHING in our car/pockets, they will most likely let you go, you can always have a excuse why eyes red, just woke up, tired.... lol
i drive 50 miles on the wkends high some times and nothing different, on highways. i just cruise lol sometimes i have to watch my reaction times but have MORE PROBLEMS SOBER than high. but i tend to stay in and not drive if i dont have to when i smoke, just to be safe
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Officer sees lit marijuana in car while someone is operating it. They go to jail.
Officer smells marijuana in car and sees it (lit or not). They go to jail.
Officer determines that they might be high. They go to jail for a day.
Currently officers ALREADY have discretion when dealing with people who "might" be intoxicated or high. They take them to jail anyway if they are driving erratically. Even if they are not intoxicated or high, they can't protest it if the officer thinks that they might be. Just a night in holding.
But for the most part. People drive much better on Marijuana than alcohol. I know people who drive while using marijuana constantly. Alcohol is a whole different ballgame.
goodness gracious man didnt we have this debate like a week ago? Weed and alcohol arent the same and cannot necissarily be regulated the same way. Stoned drivers can be just as dangerous as drunk drivers bro its ignorant to think otherwise. You need a way of field testing for marijuana and a blood limit fot thc or whatever else you want.
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with that quote, your right about going to jail, if they think your high but cant find ANYTHING in our car/pockets, they will most likely let you go, you can always have a excuse why eyes red, just woke up, tired.... lol
i drive 50 miles on the wkends high some times and nothing different, on highways. i just cruise lol sometimes i have to watch my reaction times but have MORE PROBLEMS SOBER than high. but i tend to stay in and not drive if i dont have to when i smoke, just to be safe
But it's a justification for a search and/or a night in jail. This is enough to catch 90% of the guys since they most likely have the pot in their car.
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Not this shit again....
the problem with marijuana is there is no credible way of determining how high somebody is. You cant have ppl driving around stoned out of their fuking minds man shit just isnt safe. How would you regulate that aspect of it?
I feel you are misguided on many things, but i agree here.
this is why i oppose legalization of weed. You'll have ten million idiots smoking pot on their way to work monday morning. They will be worse drivers, even if only by a small percentage. That % wil lead to more accidents nationwide. This can't really be denied. If you impair the abilities of ten million drivers, a few are going to have accidents.
You can say "it's better than driving drunk"... but that makes no sense. I can rape a chick and tell the judge "it's better than killing her". It still has negative consequences.
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your right, it isnt safe to drive high BUT your more capable of driving high than drunk, plus you can smoke yourswelf to death, drinking you can!!!!! thats a huge point to make, you cant kill yourself from pot!!! as long in a moderate, responsible, fashion
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your right, it isnt safe to drive high BUT your more capable of driving high than drunk, plus you can smoke yourswelf to death, drinking you can!!!!! thats a huge point to make, you cant kill yourself from pot!!! as long in a moderate, responsible, fashion
More capable of with alcohol - BUT - less capable than when completely sober.
I'm sure you could snort coke and be a better driver than someone with alcohol in them. Should we legalize coke for drivers too?
It 100% willl lead to more traffic fatalities. On roads where you and I drive every day. If I got paralyzed by some dumbshit pothead 16 year old who giggled his way thru a red light, i'd be pretty pissed.
Sure, it can happen now. but it'll be more likely if legalized. My bro and I argue a lot about this. He has to admit we'll have more fatalities.
I'd be fine with it - IF - being caught driving under influence of weed was an automatic 5 year prison sentence. Would you be cool with that, guys?
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I feel you are misguided on many things, but i agree here.
this is why i oppose legalization of weed. You'll have ten million idiots smoking pot on their way to work monday morning. They will be worse drivers, even if only by a small percentage. That % wil lead to more accidents nationwide. This can't really be denied. If you impair the abilities of ten million drivers, a few are going to have accidents.
You can say "it's better than driving drunk"... but that makes no sense. I can rape a chick and tell the judge "it's better than killing her". It still has negative consequences.
I think that a few accidents is worth the problem of Marijuana being against the law. So many problems it's absurd.
Waste of $
Waste of lives who are sent to prison.
Waste of manhours.
Waste of time.
Waste of energy.
Environment damage.
Underground trade profiting druglords and gangs.
Etc.
I think that this same argument was used to KEEP prohibition on the laws. But we all know how that turned out. You can't outlaw alcohol, it doesn't work. You can't outlaw marijuana, it doesn't work.
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exactly, they have to have a reason to search, legally you can deny a search, it all depends on the officer i think. its just like drinking and driving and smoking, it should be enforced the same cause your mind is chemically altered.
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why in the hell do you think they would not be able to establish a blood level limit? If the driver can't pass the roadside test, busting him for DUI is not going to be a problem.
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I never said they couldnt or that it wasnt possible did i? Also dragging everysingle person in for a blood test that is suspected of being to high to drive is silly, you need a court order to get a blood test also your looking at what about 30 bucks a drug test.
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More capable of with alcohol - BUT - less capable than when completely sober.
I'm sure you could snort coke and be a better driver than someone with alcohol in them. Should we legalize coke for drivers too?
It 100% willl lead to more traffic fatalities. On roads where you and I drive every day. If I got paralyzed by some dumbshit pothead 16 year old who giggled his way thru a red light, i'd be pretty pissed.
Sure, it can happen now. but it'll be more likely if legalized. My bro and I argue a lot about this. He has to admit we'll have more fatalities.
I'd be fine with it - IF - being caught driving under influence of weed was an automatic 5 year prison sentence. Would you be cool with that, guys?
Hell no!
1 DUI = A few days in jail and community service and or a fine of a few thousand dollars
2 DUI = a few months in jail and community service and or a fine
3 DUI = loss of license
3 strike rule.
Marijuana should be less severe than Alcohol since it impairs drivers less.
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I never said they couldnt or that it wasnt possible did i? Also dragging everysingle person in for a blood test that is suspected of being to high to drive is silly, you need a court order to get a blood test also your looking at what about 30 bucks a drug test.
It should be like this:
Operating a motor vehicle = consent to test.
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will there more people driving high after legal than before? Why?
I want Coca leaves legalized. Hugo Chavez chews them for energy.
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More capable of with alcohol - BUT - less capable than when completely sober.
I'm sure you could snort coke and be a better driver than someone with alcohol in them. Should we legalize coke for drivers too?
It 100% willl lead to more traffic fatalities. On roads where you and I drive every day. If I got paralyzed by some dumbshit pothead 16 year old who giggled his way thru a red light, i'd be pretty pissed.
Sure, it can happen now. but it'll be more likely if legalized. My bro and I argue a lot about this. He has to admit we'll have more fatalities.
I'd be fine with it - IF - being caught driving under influence of weed was an automatic 5 year prison sentence. Would you be cool with that, guys?
your right but you have to look at a bigger picture, ALOT OF PEOPLE GO TO WORK HIGH, DRIVE HIGH IN THE MORNINGS!!! ITS THERE ALREADY. legalizing pot wont change the amount of people using it, it wont. what it should change is the fact if your a respnsible adult, using in moderaton, responsibly, should not waste tax payers money tio send soemone to jail or even court just for pot. treat it like alcohol in the sence of driving high, smoking in public type thing.
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I feel DUIers should be sentenced to 1 year in prison, automatically.
They're taking a 1000+ deadly weapon at very high speeds with intentionally impaired abilities. They might as well be firing bullets into the air over a crowd and hoping they don't land on anyone's heads.
it's INCREDIBLY irresponsible to drive drunk. You KNOW your car is a heavy and fast weapon. To get F'ed up and drive home - seriously - the cop should be able to break the leg on teh spot of anyone who fails the breathalizer.
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will there more people driving high after legal than before? Why?
b/c its legal...LOL
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will there more people driving high after legal than before? Why?
not at all, it wont change nothing
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legalizing pot wont change the amount of people using it, it wont.
If there is at least 1 person in america who doesn't smoke weed because it's illegal, then your statement is patently false.
getbiggers, is there at least 1 in 305 million people who don't use it because it's illegal?
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your right but you have to look at a bigger picture, ALOT OF PEOPLE GO TO WORK HIGH, DRIVE HIGH IN THE MORNINGS!!! ITS THERE ALREADY. legalizing pot wont change the amount of people using it, it wont. what it should change is the fact if your a respnsible adult, using in moderaton, responsibly, should not waste tax payers money tio send soemone to jail or even court just for pot. treat it like alcohol in the sence of driving high, smoking in public type thing.
legalizing pot would definitly change the number of ppl using it, these ppl selling pot and going to jail for pot arent going to go straight and become model citizens. They arent doing these actions to stick it to the man or make a poltical point they are doing it to make money and if you take this away they will find something else another drug, robbery, theft they arent magically going to get full time jobs and go straight.
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i was married 2 weeks when I got the call that my new bride was nearly pushed off a bridge when a drunk mailman ran into her car at 70+ miles per hour on a 2-lane bridge. rainy night, she's coming home form work, and drunk hits her. Then, he gets out and tries to give her a hug as she's climbing out the window of her totaled car, smashed into the outer bridge barrier.
Fuck that drunk asshole, and fuck anyone here who defends DUIers.
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If there is at least 1 person in america who doesn't smoke weed because it's illegal, then your statement is patently false.
getbiggers, is there at least 1 in 305 million people who don't use it because it's illegal?
lol ok, im sure SOME may not use it because its illegal but it wont change alot, i mean, its not like folks will be walking diwn the street smoking, its like drinking in public, you can get in trouble so it should be the same as drink, and thats it. let us reap off the benefits of taxing pot
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tony amazes me, there he goes again asking something that's been addressed. He talks about draggin every single person in for a test after I stated clearly stated it was dependent on the roadside test. If they pass the test, fine. If they don't pass the test, haul them in and test them. This shit already happens.
they get a blood test if the refuse a breathalizer and a judge signs a court order, with marijuana there is no breathalyzer so everybody brought in(i figured that part was implied brain child) suspected of being high will need a blood test.
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so is beer. People don't drive drunk because beer is legal.
less ppl would drink beer which would equate to less ppl driving drunk if it was illegal. Same thing but in the other direction with pot bro.
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If there is at least 1 person in america who doesn't smoke weed because it's illegal, then your statement is patently false.
getbiggers, is there at least 1 in 305 million people who don't use it because it's illegal?
fo sho, if i could do it everynow and again and not be afraid of getting caught or being afraid of a drug test i would.
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It should be like this:
Operating a motor vehicle = consent to test.
I kinda like that but it could be easily abused.
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I would just like to see anyone who drives a half-ton vehicle at 65 mph while 'compeltely fucked up' be beaten with an ABS baton for their deeds.
Videotape the whole thing. Take the test. Fail. Tell them what's coming. Then smack them in the legs a few times with the baton.
They won't be driving drunk again because they won't be driving for a bit with 2 legs in casts.
bar business may decline, but society productivity will increase and less innocents will die.
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sorry to hear that 240 i hope your wife was ok...youre still a political piece of shit though ;D sorry just felt like it was too luvey dovey.
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sorry to hear that 240 i hope your wife was ok...youre still a political piece of shit though ;D sorry just felt like it was too luvey dovey.
:) and you still couldn't think your way out of a Dubya Doggy bag.
But it's nice to see you on my side of the legalization issue.
My brother and I fight about this topic constantly. He doesn't worry about the added numbers of stoned asshats on the road, I do.
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If you legalize it the government would have to empty the jails of convicted drug users. Ain't never gonna happen.
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If you legalize it the government would have to empty the jails of convicted drug users. Ain't never gonna happen.
Thats something i never thought about you think they would do it? technically they broke the law, could be grandfathered in you broke the law before it was repelled?
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i was married 2 weeks when I got the call that my new bride was nearly pushed off a bridge when a drunk mailman ran into her car at 70+ miles per hour on a 2-lane bridge. rainy night, she's coming home form work, and drunk hits her. Then, he gets out and tries to give her a hug as she's climbing out the window of her totaled car, smashed into the outer bridge barrier.
Fuck that drunk asshole, and fuck anyone here who defends DUIers.
It's not always clear cut. I know many guys who go out with their friends and drink 4 or 5 beers and a few hours later go and get some food and then drive straight home.
They should all be punished, but a 1 year prison term is too severe. I know someone who was in a drunk auto crash and fled the scene and was later sentenced to a lot of community service and a fine. This person never drinks and drives anymore and if they had spent an entire year in prison, they would have never even had the chance to fix themselves since they would have been branded for life.
TONS of people drink and drive, but only a small fraction end up in auto accidents. Coming up with draconian punishments for something like this is never the answer.
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guess you would be wrong about that ;)
The Volstead Act has been the direct result of creating more crime in the State of New Jersey than there ever has been before.
It has endangered the life and limb of those using the public streets, through autos being operated by drunken drivers; it may be that there were just as many auto drivers that drank before prohibition, but what they drank did not affect their ability to run an automobile with safety. To-day one or two drinks create a menace to life and limb to those who use our streets and highways.
Statistics have shown that drivers of automobiles arrested for drunkenness have increased 100 per cent in the last few years. Some one may ask where do they get it?
If some one would ask the question: Where can't you get it? It would be more difficult to answer.
Testimony of Henry Hilfers, President, New Jersey State Federation of Labor, The National Prohibition Law, Hearings before the Subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Sixty-Ninth Congress, April 5 to 24, 1926"
during Prohibition drunken driving busts went up 81 percent.
http://www.nuyakacreek.com/blog/2004/11/american-winery-remembers-prohibition.htm
Bingo!
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Thats something i never thought about you think they would do it? technically they broke the law, could be grandfathered in you broke the law before it was repelled?
Emptying the jails is a GOOD THING.
Less tax dollars spent keeping people in jail over a goddamn plant!!!!!!
Something like 50,000 tax dollars per year to house 1 person in prison.
Multiply that by the several hundred thousand in prison for marijuana across the country.
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guess you would be wrong about that ;)
The Volstead Act has been the direct result of creating more crime in the State of New Jersey than there ever has been before.
It has endangered the life and limb of those using the public streets, through autos being operated by drunken drivers; it may be that there were just as many auto drivers that drank before prohibition, but what they drank did not affect their ability to run an automobile with safety. To-day one or two drinks create a menace to life and limb to those who use our streets and highways.
Statistics have shown that drivers of automobiles arrested for drunkenness have increased 100 per cent in the last few years. Some one may ask where do they get it?
If some one would ask the question: Where can't you get it? It would be more difficult to answer.
Testimony of Henry Hilfers, President, New Jersey State Federation of Labor, The National Prohibition Law, Hearings before the Subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Sixty-Ninth Congress, April 5 to 24, 1926"
during Prohibition drunken driving busts went up 81 percent.
http://www.nuyakacreek.com/blog/2004/11/american-winery-remembers-prohibition.htm
LOL this was in the 1920's bro hahahaha im guessing you never took a stats class along with your "anthropology classes"? There are so many other possible contributing factors to this is retarted in your very post it says that the number may have been the same only that more ppl were arrested.
You really are under the impression that the number of ppl who smoked pot and drove wouldnt increase if it was made legal?
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Emptying the jails is a GOOD THING.
Less tax dollars spent keeping people in jail over a goddamn plant!!!!!!
Something like 50,000 tax dollars per year to house 1 person in prison.
Multiply that by the several hundred thousand in prison for marijuana across the country.
OHHHH goodness come on liberalismo we went over this bro...these ppl arent model citizens the majority arent going to go straight and become productive members of society. They werent selling/trafficking weed to make a political point bro they were doing it to make money and if they dont have weed to sell they will find another way to make their money the majority of them illegally.
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I don't think you should drink and drive and worse, you shouldn't be an asian woman and drive either. :D Oh shit, Hugo said a racist thing, he's a hypocrite! ;D
hahahahaha
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LOL this was in the 1920's bro hahahaha im guessing you never took a stats class along with your "anthropology classes"? There are so many other possible contributing factors to this is retarted in your very post it says that the number may have been the same only that more ppl were arrested.
You really are under the impression that the number of ppl who smoked pot and drove wouldnt increase if it was made legal?
LOL, but but but that was the 1920's haha bla bla bal Anthropology bla bla
Nice meltdown. I'll take that as Score: hugo.
::) you sir are a raging jack ass
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emptying the jails?
lol it'll never happen.
unemployment will instantly go up 1% from the number of inmates alone.
how many prison employees would lose their jobs?
would crime go up when pot dealers who have been inside learning to kill for 20 years suddenly come out horny, hungry, and as stupid as ever?
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OHHHH goodness come on liberalismo we went over this bro...these ppl arent model citizens the majority arent going to go straight and become productive members of society. They werent selling/trafficking weed to make a political point bro they were doing it to make money and if they dont have weed to sell they will find another way to make their money the majority of them illegally.
I know TONS of marijuana smokers who were sent to jail who were, in fact, model citizens.
There is nothing wrong with making money, especially if you're just selling a plant that makes people feel good.
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emptying the jails?
lol it'll never happen.
unemployment will instantly go up 1% from the number of inmates alone.
how many prison employees would lose their jobs?
would crime go up when pot dealers who have been inside learning to kill for 20 years suddenly come out horny, hungry, and as stupid as ever?
I don't see it happening. Especially if they were just charged with marijuana.
The prisons are FULL. We're having to let Child molesters go so that we can house drug offenders. It's time to clear them out and release the people who aren't real criminals. People selling or smoking a fucking plant aren't criminals, they aren't any different at the core than people who smoke tobacco or drink a beer every now and then.
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Forgive me for not reading the thread, but what could you people possibly be debating about?
Legalize Marijuana and tax it, it's a no brainer.
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I know TONS of marijuana smokers who were sent to jail who were, in fact, model citizens.
There is nothing wrong with making money, especially if you're just selling a plant that makes people feel good.
marijuana smokers or dealers? smokers dont go to prison they may go to jail for a few hours until they make bail but they dont go to prison that is unless the maybe have some weight on them? what where these marijuana "smokers" arrested for specifically? You are talking about emptying prison from what i take not jail?
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I don't see it happening. Especially if they were just charged with marijuana.
The prisons are FULL. We're having to let Child molesters go so that we can house drug offenders. It's time to clear them out and release the people who aren't real criminals. People selling or smoking a fucking plant aren't criminals, they aren't any different at the core than people who smoke tobacco or drink a beer every now and then.
Not true these ppl are sociopaths bro, do you really think these ppl are going to straighten up and go legit? These ppl arent commiting these crimes b/c the believe marijuana should be legal and they are justified. They are doing it to get money you seem to never want to address this fact they will find another way to make money bro. If they werent willing to get a job before hand what makes you think they will after marijuana is legalized?
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marijuana smokers or dealers? smokers dont go to prison they may go to jail for a few hours until they make bail but they dont go to prison that is unless the maybe have some weight on them? what where these marijuana "smokers" arrested for specifically? You are talking about emptying prison from what i take not jail?
Shit, I know tons of Marijuana smokers and a few who went to prison for possession of large amounts of weed or for multiple offenses.
I also knew tons of Marijuana growers in my day, and many in my area were just typical rednecks looking to earn an extra buck for their families. One guy got sent to prison for something like 7 years not too long ago because the cops found his marijuana farm.
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Not true these ppl are sociopaths bro, do you really think these ppl are going to straighten up and go legit? These ppl arent commiting these crimes b/c the believe marijuana should be legal and they are justified. They are doing it to get money you seem to never want to address this fact they will find another way to make money bro. If they werent willing to get a job before hand what makes you think they will after marijuana is legalized?
You're a crazy fucker. Marijuana smokers are "sociopaths"? MOST of the pot smokers that I know hold fulltime jobs and have families and are model citizens. Sociopaths? What the fuck?
Marijuana smokers are "committing the crime" because they like marijuana, it makes them feel good.
Many growers want to earn money, and there is nothing wrong with that. Many that I knew back in the day worked and grew for extra money.
Many drug dealers won't get jobs when Marijuana is legalized...But how the hell is this an argument against legalizing marijuana? It isn't.
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If there is at least 1 person in america who doesn't smoke weed because it's illegal, then your statement is patently false.
getbiggers, is there at least 1 in 305 million people who don't use it because it's illegal?
A greater number of people use it because it's illegal, young people in particular, than avoid it because it's illegal.
By the way, Holland has "succeeded in making pot boring", and the use among citizens there is very small versus our own (again, with the young in particular). Why can't we do that?
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Shit, I know tons of Marijuana smokers and a few who went to prison for possession of large amounts of weed or for multiple offenses.
I also knew tons of Marijuana growers in my day, and many in my area were just typical rednecks looking to earn an extra buck for their families. One guy got sent to prison for something like 7 years not too long ago because the cops found his marijuana farm.
OK so these ppl werent just smoking weed then where they? they were either dealing or in possesion of large amounts there is a difference.
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You're a crazy fucker. Marijuana smokers are "sociopaths"? MOST of the pot smokers that I know hold fulltime jobs and have families and are model citizens. Sociopaths? What the fuck?
Marijuana smokers are "committing the crime" because they like marijuana, it makes them feel good.
Many growers want to earn money, and there is nothing wrong with that. Many that I knew back in the day worked and grew for extra money.
Many drug dealers won't get jobs when Marijuana is legalized...But how the hell is this an argument against legalizing marijuana? It isn't.
look up the definition of sociopath...
Yes smokers is another issue they as we have shown dont go to prison in the vast majority of cases.
These ppl wont be able to grow and sell if it was legalized b/c it would be regulated so are they going to get a second job? NO if they were willing to do that they would have done it instead of selling weed, they will find another easy illegal way to subsidize their income.
one arguement you have for legalizing it is not wasting money on ppl who get sent to prison for it. you just admitted that dealers wont get jobs that means they will deal something else you understand? this invalidates your arguement for legalizing it for that reason.
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A greater number of people use it because it's illegal, young people in particular, than avoid it because it's illegal.
By the way, Holland has "succeeded in making pot boring", and the use among citizens there is very small versus our own (again, with the young in particular). Why can't we do that?
I agree after a good amount of time use would decrease after being legalized...what percentage of ppl use in holland as opposed to the US?
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look up the definition of sociopath...
Yes smokers is another issue they as we have shown dont go to prison in the vast majority of cases.
These ppl wont be able to grow and sell if it was legalized b/c it would be regulated so are they going to get a second job? NO if they were willing to do that they would have done it instead of selling weed, they will find another easy illegal way to subsidize their income.
one arguement you have for legalizing it is not wasting money on ppl who get sent to prison for it. you just admitted that dealers wont get jobs that means they will deal something else you understand? this invalidates your arguement for legalizing it for that reason.
This is nonsense. In many states only something like 5 ounces can lead to several years in prison. There are tons of incidences where simple possession has led to many years behind bars. Lives ruined. You've never established that most possession charges do not result in prison or even long term jail time. All costs money.
All of the various searches and seizures and countless man hours needed to organize marijuana busts also costs tons and tons of money.
What would the marijuana dealers do if marijuana becomes legal? Would they find some unknown source of illegal income? I doubt it. This is not what happened after prohibition. The mobsters and bootleggers simply found other means of making money, mostly legitimate. Getting people to find jobs is another topic that deserves its own focus and strategy, but your arguments don't make sense here. Are you claiming that marijuana should not be legalized because it would put drug dealers out of jobs? ::)
Even if few dollars would be saved by getting rid of drug dealers from jail (something that clearly isn't true) there are tons of money spent in other ways in the war on drugs as mentioned above and these all would be cut and would save money.
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This is nonsense. In many states only something like 5 ounces can lead to several years in prison. There are tons of incidences where simple possession has led to many years behind bars. Lives ruined. You've never established that most possession charges do not result in prison or even long term jail time. All costs money.
All of the various searches and seizures and countless man hours needed to organize marijuana busts also costs tons and tons of money.
What would the marijuana dealers do if marijuana becomes legal? Would they find some unknown source of illegal income? I doubt it. This is not what happened after prohibition. The mobsters and bootleggers simply found other means of making money, mostly legitimate. Getting people to find jobs is another topic that deserves its own focus and strategy, but your arguments don't make sense here. Are you claiming that marijuana should not be legalized because it would put drug dealers out of jobs? ::)
Even if few dollars would be saved by getting rid of drug dealers from jail (something that clearly isn't true) there are tons of money spent in other ways in the war on drugs as mentioned above and these all would be cut and would save money.
we always do this start out with small posts and move towards novels
Youve never established that simple possesion charges lead to long prison sentences...5 ounces is a good amount of pot bro thats almost a fuking lb. The idea is that you arent simply smoking that amount by yourself its implied that you are dealing.
You love that mobsters example dont you, well do some research many of them continued their life of crime also what other drug was around at that time that was readily available for them to hock? these days crack, coke, X, meth, etc...are all readily available for these guys to peddle. I dont know where you got "Are you claiming that marijuana should not be legalized because it would put drug dealers out of jobs?" that from im saying the drug dealers will still be drug dealers so your arguement that it would result in less ppl in prison while probably true to a degree would not be significant in reality as they would probably just deal another drug or find another easy way of making money.
I agree with the last paragraph although i think the amount of money saved when you take into account the problems legalizing it would produce would be much less then one might think. It seems like your suggesting legalizing all drugs and again weve gone over that and the problems it would create.
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I agree after a good amount of time use would decrease after being legalized...what percentage of ppl use in holland as opposed to the US?
stats/links to back up this claim of weed boredom, american muscle? sounds interesting.
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stats/links to back up this claim of weed boredom, american muscle? sounds interesting.
Thats the reason i asked for the percentage that use there and here so we could get a better estimate of the difference if any.
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Thats the reason i asked for the percentage that use there and here so we could get a better estimate of the difference if any.
ah gotcha.
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Hell yes they should legalize and tax it.
While they're at it they should legalize and tax prostitution too.
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we always do this start out with small posts and move towards novels
Youve never established that simple possesion charges lead to long prison sentences...5 ounces is a good amount of pot bro thats almost a fuking lb. The idea is that you arent simply smoking that amount by yourself its implied that you are dealing.
16 ounces are in a pound. 5 ounces is actually around the amount that most people keep just for a good supply for a length of time. Most people don't want to keep having to buy marijuana every week. Large stashes aren't uncommon.
You love that mobsters example dont you, well do some research many of them continued their life of crime also what other drug was around at that time that was readily available for them to hock? these days crack, coke, X, meth, etc...are all readily available for these guys to peddle.
One less thing for them to sell would be a great improvement. Not that I don't support legalizing other drugs also. I do.
I dont know where you got "Are you claiming that marijuana should not be legalized because it would put drug dealers out of jobs?" that from im saying the drug dealers will still be drug dealers so your arguement that it would result in less ppl in prison while probably true to a degree would not be significant in reality as they would probably just deal another drug or find another easy way of making money.
This is an assumption which I've never seen evidence for. Historically it just doesn't work. It would be like saying that the bootleggers would somehow find some other crime to commit, but the truth is that they didn't. Nor did the operators of speakeasies.
Marijuana growers would still likely grow marijuana, just legally.
Even if the sellers find something else to do illegally, this is one less thing that police have to bother with.
I agree with the last paragraph although i think the amount of money saved when you take into account the problems legalizing it would produce would be much less then one might think. It seems like your suggesting legalizing all drugs and again weve gone over that and the problems it would create.
The problems of the drug war FAR outweigh any potential problems that might be caused by drugs being legal.
Look into it. Deeply. Make a list of all of the problems CREATED by the war on drugs. Directly and indirectly.
Then make a list of potential problems that might occur of all drugs were legal.
Weigh them. Think of ways to reduce problems but still keeping drugs legal. Weigh them again.
The answer becomes obvious. The Drug war does much much more harm than good.
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This is nonsense. In many states only something like 5 ounces can lead to several years in prison. There are tons of incidences where simple possession has led to many years behind bars. Lives ruined. You've never established that most possession charges do not result in prison or even long term jail time.
I doubt that. Proof?
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This is nonsense. In many states only something like 5 ounces can lead to several years in prison. There are tons of incidences where simple possession has led to many years behind bars. Lives ruined. You've never established that most possession charges do not result in prison or even long term jail time.
The "lives ruined" are the fault of the possesors of those lives (and that weed). They broke the law and got CAUGHT! Yet, you're blaiming the COPS, for doing their job?
Lost in all this blubbering is the simple fact that legalizing weed isn’t going to help California one bit.
California’s had a great economy before, and it didn’t have to legalize weed (or any other recreational drugs) to do it. Then again, with some of the goofball policies in that state, the politicians there are probably already smoking ganga.
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He makes some very good points.that cover alot of the things people have posted in this thread.
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judge telling it like it is
cops speaking the truth as well
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I support legalization, but it just seems their movement would be so much more successful if it wasn't pushed and vocalized by neo-hippie douche bags with pathetic justifications. "We need it to sleep" or "I have ambiguous back pain and all that helps is the gange", is just weak sauce. The powers that be can see right through that bullshit.
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I support legalization, but it just seems their movement would be so much more successful if it wasn't pushed and vocalized by neo-hippie douche bags with pathetic justifications. "We need it to sleep" or "I have ambiguous back pain and all that helps is the gange", is just weak sauce. The powers that be can see right through that bullshit.
Indeed!!
There are plenty of sleep aids and medicines for back pain. But, I don't recall anyone firing up a Sominex blunt, or rolling down the street, smoking Doan's pills, sipping on gin and juice.
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this is a really good film on the subject posted by MB yesterday.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=EYOZY16K
yep.thats a very good documentary.Although most getbig members have ADHD.they won't watch a ten minute vid let alone an hour and half film.they will just argue there uninformed opinion.that film has good science and statistics backing it.
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Indeed!!
There are plenty of sleep aids and medicines for back pain. But, I don't recall anyone firing up a Sominex blunt, or rolling down the street, smoking Doan's pills, sipping on gin and juice.
Laid back?
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this is a really good film on the subject posted by MB yesterday.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=EYOZY16K
I wonder if anyone else will watch. ???
240, tonymctones you going to watch?
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this is a really good film on the subject posted by MB yesterday.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=EYOZY16K
I listened to about 30 minutes. It's clearly an advocacy piece. Not a documentary. Citing Snoop Dogg and other music industry figures as people who smoke pot doesn't really help. lol. :)
But it is informative. I'd be interested to hear the other side of the argument.
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he starts explaining "The Union" @ the 49th minute. Then gets into the prison industrial complex after
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I doubt that. Proof?
Some state laws:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4564
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4530
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4552
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4528
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4555
Many states include prison time for even less than 1 1/2 ounces. Generally it is several years for more than several ounces simply for possession, especially if it is a 2nd or 3rd offense.
It's not uncommon for someone to spend SEVERAL YEARS in prison all over marijuana possession.
Federal laws:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4575
Possession
Any amount (first offense) misdemeanor 1 year
Sale or Cultivation
Less than 50 kg felony 5 years
50 to 100 kg felony 20 years
100 to 1,000 kg felony 5 - 40 years
1000 kg or more felony 10 years - life
So someone growing a large farm with Marijuana can get LIFE in prison. LIFE in prison for growing a plant!
Free country? BULLSHIT!
More info....
Since 1992, approximately six million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges, a greater number than the entire populations of Alaska, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming combined.
YEAR MARIJUANA ARRESTS
2001 723,627
2000 734,498
1999 704,812
1998 682,885
1997 695,200
1996 641,642
1995 588,963
1994 499,122
1993 380,689
1992 342,314
"Prisoners sentenced for drug offenses constituted the largest group of Federal inmates (55%) in 2001, down from 60% in 1995 (table 18). On September 30, 2001, the date of the latest available data in the Federal Justice Statistics Program, Federal prisons held 78,501 sentenced drug offenders, compared to 52,782 in 1995."
Over 80% of the increase in the federal prison population from 1985 to 1995 was due to drug convictions.
"The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, some 701 per 100,000 of the national population."
According to a report on prison growth by the Urban Institute's Justice Policy Center, "Every dollar transferred to a “prison community” is a dollar that is not given to the home community of a prisoner, which is often among the country’s most disadvantaged urban areas.
http://skeptically.org/recdrugs/id8.html
55 years in prison for selling marijuana
http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm
Jonathan Magbie died three months ago while serving a 10-day sentence for marijuana possession in a jail in Washington, D.C. Magbie, a 27-year-old quadriplegic, used marijuana to treat his chronic pain. He was unable to breathe on his own, and the jail -- unequipped to meet his medical needs -- allowed him to die while in custody.
And last year, a 19-year-old Florida college student was brutally raped by his cellmate while serving the first of four weekends in jail for a small-scale marijuana offense.
And the year before that, 20-year-old Jose Colon -- just months away from being the first in his family to obtain a college degree -- was shot and killed by police in a raid in which eight ounces of marijuana were seized. Colon wasn't even a suspect. He just happened to be visiting the house being raided, and he had no drugs or weapons on him.
http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm
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The "lives ruined" are the fault of the possesors of those lives (and that weed). They broke the law and got CAUGHT! Yet, you're blaiming the COPS, for doing their job?
Lost in all this blubbering is the simple fact that legalizing weed isn’t going to help California one bit.
California’s had a great economy before, and it didn’t have to legalize weed (or any other recreational drugs) to do it. Then again, with some of the goofball policies in that state, the politicians there are probably already smoking ganga.
Your logic is GROTESQUE.
The lives ruined by the drug war is NOT the fault of the drug offenders, but rather the government. EVERYONE has the right to put what they want into their own bodies, period. The government does not have a right to rob people of their civil liberties and freedom.
Your argument is that if a law exists, and if someone breaks it and is punished, it is the persons fault who breaks the law. But this reasoning is fallacious because not all laws are just.
It would be like claiming that slaves who run away from their masters, and thus broke the law, were at fault if they got punished. You're ignoring the fact that slavery itself is unjust, just as you are ignoring the fact that drug laws are inherently unjust and irrational.
I'm not blaming the cops. I'm blaming the politicians. The lawmakers.
Legalizing marijuana will help California and it will help the United States in general. It will save money. Period.
Marijuana has had a decent economy in the past with Marijuana outlawed, but if marijuana were legal at that time it would have been even better. And right now neither California or the United states can afford throwing people in prison over plants.
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Hey, at least he could smoke a doob to ease the pain, eh? :D
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I listened to about 30 minutes. It's clearly an advocacy piece. Not a documentary. Citing Snoop Dogg and other music industry figures as people who smoke pot doesn't really help. lol. :)
But it is informative. I'd be interested to hear the other side of the argument.
haha.listened to 30 minutes and got snoop dog out of it.now we see the mentality were dealing with here.wow!
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what you did liberalismo is provide parameters you know and i know that generally on a first offense you arent given the full penalty sure theyre exceptions but you normally will not serve prison time for simple possesion if its not deemed you were selling the drug b/c you have an obscene amount of it....FUCK YEA you get life if youre in possesion of 1000 kilos? LOL WTF ARE THINKING. Im sure ppl who went to jail for traffic tickets or any number of other small crimes have been harmed in jail thats no arguement to get rid of traffic laws and your examples are no arguement to get rid of marijuana laws.
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I don't remember the snoop dogg part, must have been small. They didn't cite these guys, they just had spots of opinion like from Joe Rogan dropped in. Nothing to do with the information covered. Odd you're interested in the other side of the argument after cutting short the side you heard from. I will give you props for listening to 30 minutes. That's a record for you.
I had to go look for the snoop part, they just noted all the musicians that smoke pot and ran through a quick list of some names. big deal. You made it sound like he was cited as some expert or something. The film is really good.
Are you kidding? Are they going to say something profound in the remaining 45 minutes that I didn't watch? I doubt it. I know what the basic arguments are in favor legalization and they really didn't say much that I hadn't already heard in the first 30 minutes.
I could go back and highlight all of the dum dums who they mentioned and who made dumb comments, but the funniest is Snoop. What a role model. lol . . .
If I get a chance and I have the desire I might look for the other side of the coin. I doubt it's as harmless as they tried to make it out to be.
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Some state laws:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4564
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4530
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4552
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4528
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4555
Many states include prison time for even less than 1 1/2 ounces. Generally it is several years for more than several ounces simply for possession, especially if it is a 2nd or 3rd offense.
It's not uncommon for someone to spend SEVERAL YEARS in prison all over marijuana possession.
Federal laws:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4575
Possession
Any amount (first offense) misdemeanor 1 year
Sale or Cultivation
Less than 50 kg felony 5 years
50 to 100 kg felony 20 years
100 to 1,000 kg felony 5 - 40 years
1000 kg or more felony 10 years - life
So someone growing a large farm with Marijuana can get LIFE in prison. LIFE in prison for growing a plant!
Free country? BULLSHIT!
More info....
http://skeptically.org/recdrugs/id8.html
55 years in prison for selling marijuana
http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm
http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm
Sorry but this does not support your contention that: "There are tons of incidences where simple possession has led to many years behind bars. Lives ruined. You've never established that most possession charges do not result in prison or even long term jail time."
The people spending "many years behind bars" are probably dealers or those dumb enough to have enough to make it look like they are dealers.
If someone doesn't want their life "ruined" for breaking the law then they shouldn't break the law.
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Your logic is GROTESQUE.
The lives ruined by the drug war is NOT the fault of the drug offenders, but rather the government. EVERYONE has the right to put what they want into their own bodies, period. The government does not have a right to rob people of their civil liberties and freedom.
Your argument is that if a law exists, and if someone breaks it and is punished, it is the persons fault who breaks the law. But this reasoning is fallacious because not all laws are just.
It would be like claiming that slaves who run away from their masters, and thus broke the law, were at fault if they got punished. You're ignoring the fact that slavery itself is unjust, just as you are ignoring the fact that drug laws are inherently unjust and irrational.
I'm not blaming the cops. I'm blaming the politicians. The lawmakers.
Legalizing marijuana will help California and it will help the United States in general. It will save money. Period.
Marijuana has had a decent economy in the past with Marijuana outlawed, but if marijuana were legal at that time it would have been even better. And right now neither California or the United states can afford throwing people in prison over plants.
Nonsense. You may disagree with drug laws, but they are not unjust and I doubt those spending time in prison for violating drug laws were engaging in civil disobedience. Comparing drug laws to slavery is beyond idiotic. You should slap yourself upside the head for that one.
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He's done stuff like that the whole time he's been on getbig. Back in general, his favorite thing to do was to pick out one sentence from whatever you posted and make a case of it, ignoring the rest of the story.
::)
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Arnold knows whats up
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You guys that hang on to these old beliefs.and support unjust outdated laws are dinosaurs.I don't even smoke weed.but I support a persons right to put what they want in there body steroids,weed,alcohol, what ever.I mean seriously you think our government is just in outlawing a Plant?Really?seriously?give me a break.
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we promise to examine 1/3 of what you post as the other side of the coin. ::)
Trying . . . to . . . give . . . a . . . rip. . . . . Sorry. Cannot. :) You have way too much emotionally invested in this board. ::)
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we promise to examine 1/3 of what you post as the other side of the coin. ::)
man its pointless...don't mention the profitability of hemp.the provin propaganda and out right lies of negative health effects.dismiss the cops saying it's a waste of time and tax payer money.don't worry about the pharmaceutical companies that fight like hell to keep it illegal so they can keep there clientele high.(it's not what drugs your taking it's who's).never mind the 2 years of research they did on the subject prior to making the film..............SNOOP DOG...?
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i hear this pro-weed stuff form my brother every day. i dont buy it. too many ignorant assholes would be handing it to their little brothers on the playgrounds. too many selfish cuuntrags would smoke for 8 hours then drive to the CircleK and run me over.
Nope. I'd pistol whip the shit out of a drunk driver if he hit me, and i'd do the same to a weeded out driver. Fuck you, get behind the wheel without your bearings.
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240, do you also think industrial hemp should stay illegal? They can't smoke that and drive. They'll just be layed out with a massive headache and no buz.
legalize that, i'm fine with that. i'm fine with anything to fix the economy.
(drill baby drill would only make fatcats rich, let's be honest here)
All I know is, there are so many ignorant fvcks in my town who would smoke and drive. If I saw it today, I'd probably goad him into a fight, subdue the guy and make a citizens arrest on the pot driving. Yes, I would. I'm that kinda asshole, a real advocate for safe roads. Plus when I was little, a girl from my grade school was killed by a drunk driver. And after my wife got hit, that was the last straw. I do see ppl at bars and I do start shit with them for driving drunk. I'll call a guy a piece of shit in front of his girl, etc, and yes, I really do. Go ahead and swing. The cops will come and guess what, you ain't drivin then.
Meltdown. I hate DUI pricks. Hate them with a passion.
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The face of legalized pot . . . lol . . .
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well, according to tony, less people would be driving drunk if drinking was illegal. Since there is no question whatsoever that the bulk of DUI is alcohol related, do you also advocate a return to prohibition? I understand your rage against intoxicated drivers and trust me I share it. No doubt about it, people should not partake and drive.
I don't think prohibition would work. It didnt work back then.
I DO think that "you fail a breathalizer and we break either your hand or your foot, and you do 370 days in the state Penn would most certainly work.
If I fired a bullet onto the populated roads blindly, I'd be seeing that kinda jail time easily.
Yet a guy can drive a 1000 pound truck at 70 mph down a populated street and get 18 hours in country lockup and probation?
F that. F them. You drive drunk, you get bones broken. End of story.
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There is no point in arguing with idiots. Once someone gets an idea in their head, they will argue it until their faces turn red even if they know they are wrong, because they want to admit it publicly.
The facts are simple, and people who want to keep the government in our lives are fools. They also show their hypocrisy concerning marijuana and alcohol. The truth is that marijuana MUST be legalized ASAP, and the same goes for MOST drugs that are now illegal. There will be downsides, but the upsides of legalization FAR OUT WEIGH the downsides. The downsides of legalization are MUCH SMALLER than the downsides of prohibition. Simple fact: Harm reduction.
I don't see the point in arguing with people who will never get it, or who already get it and won't admit it. It's a waste of time.
We all need to keep researching the matter. Learn more things and perhaps the people wrong on the issue will become right on the issue.
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I've actually said that same line on many occations. This is why I have also thought cops should just put a bullet in a driver when they take off instead of engaging in a high speed chase. because it's the same as the guy having a loaded weapon and firing it blindly into a populated area. They would get shot for that.
good call. i can see if the guy has a reason. has to crap and hates public restrooms, ya know.
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i hear this pro-weed stuff form my brother every day. i dont buy it. too many ignorant assholes would be handing it to their little brothers on the playgrounds. too many selfish cuuntrags would smoke for 8 hours then drive to the CircleK and run me over.
Nope. I'd pistol whip the shit out of a drunk driver if he hit me, and i'd do the same to a weeded out driver. Fuck you, get behind the wheel without your bearings.
I agree that DUI laws should be alot stricter.but everything else your saying is pretty moronic.you don't think that ignorant asshole is handing it to his little brothers in the playground now?If the guys an idiot before legalization he will be an idiot after legalization.
I don't think prohibition would work. It didn't work back then.
I DO think that "you fail a breathalizer and we break either your hand or your foot, and you do 370 days in the state Penn would most certainly work.
If I fired a bullet onto the populated roads blindly, I'd be seeing that kinda jail time easily.
Yet a guy can drive a 1000 pound truck at 70 mph down a populated street and get 18 hours in country lockup and probation?
F that. F them. You drive drunk, you get bones broken. End of story.
you don't think prohibition would work?no shit It's already been provin it doesn't work.do you think it's actually working now for weed?Hell no it's not working.when has a drug being illegal ever stopped someone that wants to do it from doing it?
I'm all for locking someone up and throwing away the key if they do stupid shit under the influence.be it alcohol,weed or what ever.Hell legalize weed but make a 5 year mandatory sentence for getting busted driving on it.would you vote for that?or just let the people that are already going to drink/smoke and drive get a slap on the wrist when they get pulled over.
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Your logic is GROTESQUE.
The lives ruined by the drug war is NOT the fault of the drug offenders, but rather the government. EVERYONE has the right to put what they want into their own bodies, period. The government does not have a right to rob people of their civil liberties and freedom.
No one is being robbed of anything. And last time I checked, nothing in the Constitution (state or federal) has any clause about smoking tree, being a "civil liberty". The government didn't ruin their lives and neither did the drug war. THE DRUG TAKERS RUINED THEIR LIVES.
Your argument is that if a law exists, and if someone breaks it and is punished, it is the persons fault who breaks the law. But this reasoning is fallacious because not all laws are just.
True. But, you've shown nothing about why this law is unjust, other than it stepping on your toes with regards to getting stoned.
It would be like claiming that slaves who run away from their masters, and thus broke the law, were at fault if they got punished. You're ignoring the fact that slavery itself is unjust, just as you are ignoring the fact that drug laws are inherently unjust and irrational.
Give me a break! Nobody, not the goverment or society-at-large is under any obligation to assist you in becoming a junkie.
I'm not blaming the cops. I'm blaming the politicians. The lawmakers.
In other words, in true liberal fashion, you're blaming everyone BUT YOURSELF.
Legalizing marijuana will help California and it will help the United States in general. It will save money. Period.
Marijuana has had a decent economy in the past with Marijuana outlawed, but if marijuana were legal at that time it would have been even better. And right now neither California or the United states can afford throwing people in prison over plants.
Then, they need to lay off the stuff.
Legalizing marijuana ain't going help California or the United States one bit. Any money that could possibly be made from that would be squandered in about the same time it takes you to fire up a blunt and smoke it, primarily with worker productivity driven down even further and people getting canned for having drugs in their system, when their employers have drug-free policies.
This attempt to utilize an economic crisis to feed your need for weed is as pitiful as it is laughable. California's problem ain't a lack of money; it's SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY on, among other things, welfare and other benefits for people who have no business being in your state in the first place.
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The fact that people are seriously talking about this shows it will be legal someday. Maybe 10 years from now. I'd be surprised if it was sooner.
I'd fully support legalized Marijuana. The idea that's it a dangerous drug when nicotine and Alcohol are for more damaging is ludicrous.
Aside from that obtaining Marijuana is as easy as going to a store.
the fact that's it's "illegal" hasn't stopped it at all. And to imprison someone for it plain stupid and a waste of tax payers money.
It would bring revenue in, just like the taxes on Cigarettes and Booze.
No different.
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The fact that people are seriously talking about this shows it will be legal someday. Maybe 10 years from now. I'd be surprised if it was sooner.
I'd fully support legalized Marijuana. The idea that's it a dangerous drug when nicotine and Alcohol are for more damaging is ludicrous.
Aside from that obtaining Marijuana is as easy as going to a store.
the fact that's it's "illegal" hasn't stopped it at all. And to imprison someone for it plain stupid and a waste of tax payers money.
It would bring revenue in, just like the taxes on Cigarettes and Booze.
No different.
The economic crisis in California is due to items that have NOTHING to do with weed or any other illegal drugs, or people being locked up for having such.
As I said, whatever revenue could be made from such would be SQUANDERED almost as quickly. And that's the heart of matter: Wasteful spending of the money, not lack of the money.
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The economic crisis in California is due to items that have NOTHING to do with weed or any other illegal drugs, or people being locked up for having such.
As I said, whatever revenue could be made from such would be SQUANDERED almost as quickly. And that's the heart of matter: Wasteful spending of the money, not lack of the money.
I agree. The economic crisis in California is not because weed is illegal.
And the money will likely get squandered.
But it still should be legal.
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Don't know if any of this is accurate. Maybe we should ask Snoop Doggy Dogg . . . .
The Marijuana side effects and adverse effects of smoking marijuana
Please note that this article was made with help of proven study's by professionals. I would like to educate those who don't know about marijuana and to help them control their use and still have a good time.
Some of the common side effects of marijuana are:
Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia
Altered time perception
Some people are not affected with these symptoms of marijuana, many are related with the person's health that smoked it, example, people who have a history of mental or health problems should be advised not to smoke or ingest it, unless it was proven that it would not affect his or hers behavior. First time smokers of marijuana should always use a small dose to see how it would effect their body or mind. This is a good way to see if marijuana is OK for you with the minimal side affects and dangers associated with smoking marijuana.
Marijuana causes physical side effects as well when used in large doses. Some can be cured with remedy's that are fairly simple. Water or juice is very good in preventing dry mouth (cotton mouth). Sugar and fat free foods are also great in fixing that hunger you might encounter when smoking or ingesting marijuana. If there is a problem with headache or nausea, a warm bath would help. Things that should be avoided with smoking marijuana are, drinks that contain caffeine, fatty foods with allot of sugar, and excessive exercise.
Physical Adverse Effects of Marijuana
Dry mouth
Nausea
Headache
Tremor
Decreased coordination Increased heart rate
Altered pulmonary status
Altered body temperature
Reduced muscle strength
Decreased cerebral blood flow
Increased food consumption
there are marijuana side effects that alter the brain also. These types of side effects are usually associated with brain distorters. If anyone would have an effect below that they cannot control, they are not recommended to smoke or ingest marijuana. Milder forms of the side effects can be controlled with practice and reminders from a friend with you at the time
Neuropsychiatric Adverse Effects of Marijuana
Anxiety and panic
Paranoia
Confusion
Aggressiveness
Hallucinations
Sedation
Altered libido Possible suicidal ideation
Depersonalization
Derealization
Poor sense of time
Worsened short-term memory
Addictive behaviors
Amotivational syndrome
The worst thing that can happen is that if you smoke by yourself for the first time. You may not notice the marijuana side effects and may hurt yourself or others. Having a good friend near by is a good idea because they can keep you out of harms way and provide assistance if you need it. lastly a reminder, this article is not to scare people out of smoking it. Marijuana effects everyone differently, its just facts to educate those who don't know.
http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijuana-Side-Effects.html
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this weed issue is all over mainstream news this week. Seriously, if they legalize it, i'm going to make it my mission to pistol whip any a-hole that I see driving under the influence of weed. I'll happily post my arrest record when that day comes too.
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this weed issue is all over mainstream news this week. Seriously, if they legalize it, i'm going to make it my mission to pistol whip any a-hole that I see driving under the influence of weed. I'll happily post my arrest record when that day comes too.
dude seriously I feel your pain.But there's more people diving all doped up on pills from the doc that are way worse drugs to be on (Especially when driving) than weed.and alot of them drugs would not be needed if marijuana were legalized.certain drug companies are scared to death of this.they want everyone on there drugs.
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Most people today are driving under the influences of SOMETHING and most of those things are worse than driving on marijuana.
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Well one thing, you won't have to worry too much about with people driving on Marijuana is road rage. 8)
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Don't know if any of this is accurate. Maybe we should ask Snoop Doggy Dogg . . . .
The Marijuana side effects and adverse effects of smoking marijuana
Please note that this article was made with help of proven study's by professionals. I would like to educate those who don't know about marijuana and to help them control their use and still have a good time.
Some of the common side effects of marijuana are:
Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia
Altered time perception
Some people are not affected with these symptoms of marijuana, many are related with the person's health that smoked it, example, people who have a history of mental or health problems should be advised not to smoke or ingest it, unless it was proven that it would not affect his or hers behavior. First time smokers of marijuana should always use a small dose to see how it would effect their body or mind. This is a good way to see if marijuana is OK for you with the minimal side affects and dangers associated with smoking marijuana.
Marijuana causes physical side effects as well when used in large doses. Some can be cured with remedy's that are fairly simple. Water or juice is very good in preventing dry mouth (cotton mouth). Sugar and fat free foods are also great in fixing that hunger you might encounter when smoking or ingesting marijuana. If there is a problem with headache or nausea, a warm bath would help. Things that should be avoided with smoking marijuana are, drinks that contain caffeine, fatty foods with allot of sugar, and excessive exercise.
Physical Adverse Effects of Marijuana
Dry mouth
Nausea
Headache
Tremor
Decreased coordination Increased heart rate
Altered pulmonary status
Altered body temperature
Reduced muscle strength
Decreased cerebral blood flow
Increased food consumption
there are marijuana side effects that alter the brain also. These types of side effects are usually associated with brain distorters. If anyone would have an effect below that they cannot control, they are not recommended to smoke or ingest marijuana. Milder forms of the side effects can be controlled with practice and reminders from a friend with you at the time
Neuropsychiatric Adverse Effects of Marijuana
Anxiety and panic
Paranoia
Confusion
Aggressiveness
Hallucinations
Sedation
Altered libido Possible suicidal ideation
Depersonalization
Derealization
Poor sense of time
Worsened short-term memory
Addictive behaviors
Amotivational syndrome
The worst thing that can happen is that if you smoke by yourself for the first time. You may not notice the marijuana side effects and may hurt yourself or others. Having a good friend near by is a good idea because they can keep you out of harms way and provide assistance if you need it. lastly a reminder, this article is not to scare people out of smoking it. Marijuana effects everyone differently, its just facts to educate those who don't know.
http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijuana-Side-Effects.html
The only effects I've experienced are increase appetite and altered time perception, meaning time goes by usually faster than usual.
All of the other side effects are rare.
Check out the side effects of Asprin or Caffeine.
Then look at some for other OTC drugs. Then prescription drugs.
Marijuana? Harmless.
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From everything I've heard about it, I wish I could enjoy it myself. One side effect not mentioned is that some might have an allergic reaction which is what I had to it when I tried it as a teen and it wasn't pleasant.
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The only effects I've experienced are increase appetite and altered time perception, meaning time goes by usually faster than usual.
All of the other side effects are rare.
Check out the side effects of Asprin or Caffeine.
Then look at some for other OTC drugs. Then prescription drugs.
Marijuana? Harmless.
bro if those are the only side effects then you are not and have never been a pot head my friend...all those are extremely common among pot smokers
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The fact that people are seriously talking about this shows it will be legal someday. Maybe 10 years from now. I'd be surprised if it was sooner.
I'd fully support legalized Marijuana. The idea that's it a dangerous drug when nicotine and Alcohol are for more damaging is ludicrous.
Aside from that obtaining Marijuana is as easy as going to a store.
the fact that's it's "illegal" hasn't stopped it at all. And to imprison someone for it plain stupid and a waste of tax payers money.
It would bring revenue in, just like the taxes on Cigarettes and Booze.
No different.
I agree that sooner or later it will be legal, that doesnt make it right. Prostitution would bring in money as well so would slavery but that doesnt make these things ok to legalize oz.
I agree when i was younger i had to get a fake id to get booze but i could get drugs with just a simple phone call.
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bro if those are the only side effects then you are not and have never been a pot head my friend...all those are extremely common among pot smokers
u just contradicted yourself...just wake up mctizzones?
what do u expect him to do trip out? u don't trip out on weed. H'es 100% dead on about the effects
maybe add paranoia to the list.
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I agree with you on 99% of things, but this is one where we part ways.
The govt spends too much money on drug enforcement and police state garbage.
I have NEVER smoke a joint in my life yet favor 100% legalizing and taxing pot.
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I agree that sooner or later it will be legal, that doesnt make it right. Prostitution would bring in money as well so would slavery but that doesnt make these things ok to legalize oz.
I agree when i was younger i had to get a fake id to get booze but i could get drugs with just a simple phone call.
There many things that aren't right that are legal. The problems is, these are happening anyway and in many instances police turn a blind to it. For example in San Francisco, Massage Parlors are whore houses. Everyone knows it and the police let it go on. Hookers walk down streets in cities of 100K and every one knows what they are. It continues undisturbed. People routinely smoke pot at concerts, driving there car, in parking lots etc...
The point is, people will do what they want to their bodies regardless of the law. And you are right, it's not right, but it will not stop.
The are 33333 said, there are millions, if not billions spent on local and federal drug enforcement to stop something that will not be stopped. Prohibition didn't work. We should legalize and tax.
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There many things that aren't right that are legal. The problems is, these are happening anyway and in many instances police turn a blind to it. For example in San Francisco, Massage Parlors are whore houses. Everyone knows it and the police let it go on. Hookers walk down streets in cities of 100K and every one knows what they are. It continues undisturbed. People routinely smoke pot at concerts, driving there car, in parking lots etc...
The point is, people will do what they want to their bodies regardless of the law. And you are right, it's not right, but it will not stop.
The are 33333 said, there are millions, if not billions spent on local and federal drug enforcement to stop something that will not be stopped. Prohibition didn't work. We should legalize and tax.
Like I said, and I am being 1000000% truthful in this, I have never smoked a joint in my life. I personally enjoy Miller Lite instead.
However, the government has created far more harm than good in the war on drugs and has created an expensive infrastructure of prisons, cops, parole officers, probation officers, prison guards, swat, DEA, FBI, etc that cost us $$$$$$$$ and only make the problem worse.
In the name of the war on drugs, the govt has taken on powers that the founders themselves would start another revolution over.
I am coming to this from a practicle point of view, not a religious or conservative point of view. The $$$$$$$ we spend is totally wasted.
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u just contradicted yourself...just wake up mctizzones?
what do u expect him to do trip out? u don't trip out on weed. H'es 100% dead on about the effects
maybe add paranoia to the list.
how did i contradict myself?
and the side effects that beach posted are dead on bro maybe not for everybody but in general those side effects are prevalent while smoking pot
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funny shit.
I never saw this flick but now I'm thinking I might need to rent it
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how did i contradict myself?
and the side effects that beach posted are dead on bro maybe not for everybody but in general those side effects are prevalent while smoking pot
Speaking of side effects....
The legal drug, nicotine has a side effect of lung cancer.
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Speaking of side effects....
The legal drug, nicotine has a side effect of lung cancer.
you think smoking marijuana is harmless?
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you think smoking marijuana is harmless?
In reality. It is pretty close to harmless.
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you think smoking marijuana is harmless?
No, but it isn't near are harmful as smoking cigarettes, not even close.
Not near as harmful as bacon.
Not near as harmful as hard liquor.
If fact it's fairly harmless when used in moderation like anything else.
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Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
Friday, July 27, 2007
LONDON — Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.
The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent.
Doctors have long suspected a connection and say the latest findings underline the need to highlight marijuana's long-term risks. The research, paid for by the British Health Department, is being published Friday in medical journal The Lancet.
"The available evidence now suggests that cannabis is not as harmless as many people think," said Dr. Stanley Zammit, one of the study's authors and a lecturer in the department of psychological medicine at Cardiff University.
The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.
There could be something else about marijuana users, "like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses," Zammit said.
Marijuana is the most frequently used illegal substance in many countries, including the United Kingdom and the United States. About 20 percent of young adults report using it at least once a week, according to government statistics.
Zammit and colleagues from the University of Bristol, Imperial College and Cambridge University examined 35 studies that tracked tens of thousands of people for periods ranging from one year to 27 years to examine the effect of marijuana on mental health.
They looked for psychotic illnesses as well as cognitive disorders including delusions and hallucinations, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, neuroses and suicidal tendencies.
They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low.
For example, Zammit said the risk of developing schizophrenia for most people is less than 1 percent. The prevalence of schizophrenia is believed to be about five in 1,000 people. But because of the drug's wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.
The scientists found a more disturbing outlook for "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly: Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.
One doctor noted that people with a history of mental illness in their families could be at higher risk. For them, marijuana use "could unmask the underlying schizophrenia," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University, who was not involved in the study.
Dr. Wilson Compton, a senior scientist at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Washington, called the study persuasive.
"The strongest case is that there are consistencies across all of the studies," and that the link was seen only with psychoses — not anxiety, depression or other mental health problems, he said.
Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.
Scientists think it is biologically possible that marijuana could cause psychoses because it interrupts important neurotransmitters such as dopamine. That can interfere with the brain's communication systems.
Some experts say governments should now work to dispel the misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.
"We've reached the end of the road with these kinds of studies," said Dr. Robin Murray of King's College, who had no role in the Lancet study. "Experts are now agreed on the connection between cannabis and psychoses. What we need now is for 14-year-olds to know it."
In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class "B" category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences.
Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291043,00.html
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Study: Smoking Pot May Increase Risk of Testicular Cancer
Monday, February 09, 2009
AP
Marijuana use may increase the risk of developing testicular cancer, in particular a more aggressive form of the disease, according to a U.S. study published on Monday.
The study of 369 Seattle-area men ages 18 to 44 with testicular cancer and 979 men in the same age bracket without the disease found that current marijuana users were 70 percent more likely to develop it compared to nonusers.
The risk appeared to be highest among men who had reported smoking marijuana for at least 10 years, used it more than once a week or started using it before age 18, the researchers wrote in the journal Cancer.
Stephen Schwartz of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, one of the researchers, said the study was the first to explore marijuana's possible association with testicular cancer.
"This is the first study to look at this question, and by itself is not definitive. And there's a lot more research that would have to be done in order to be more confident that marijuana use really is important in a man's risk of developing testicular cancer," Schwartz said in a telephone interview.
The study found the increased risk appeared to be in the form called nonseminoma testicular cancer. It accounts for 40 percent of cases and can be more aggressive and more difficult to treat, Schwartz said.
Experts are unsure about the causes of testicular cancer, which often strikes men in their 20s and 30s. The disease is seen more commonly in men who have had an undescended testicle or have a family history of testicular cancer.
The disease usually responds well to treatment and has a five-year survival rate of about 96 percent, according to the American Cancer Society.
About 8,000 men in the United States are diagnosed with testicular cancer per year, and there are about 140,000 U.S. men alive who have survived the disease, the group said.
The researchers said they were not sure what it was about marijuana that may raise the risk. Chronic marijuana use also can have effects on the male reproductive system including decreased sperm quality, they said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489866,00.html
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Marijuana's Adverse Effects
Could I become chemically dependent on marijuana?
Yes. When you’re chemically dependent on marijuana, it means you crave it and you need to use more and more to get the same effect. You may have withdrawal symptoms when you stop using it, such as depressed feelings, trouble sleeping or nausea. Because marijuana is a lot stronger now than it used to be, people are also more likely to abuse it and become dependent on it than they were in the past.
Is marijuana use associated with other drug use?
Yes. Many people use legal drugs like alcohol or cigarettes before they start using marijuana. Marijuana is the most commonly used illegal substance in the United States. It’s often the first illegal drug a person will try. Sometimes marijuana use leads to the use of other illegal drugs.
What are the common side effects of marijuana use?
The following are some of the common side effects of using marijuana:
* Trouble remembering things
* Slowed reaction time
* Difficulty concentrating
* Sleepiness
* Anxiety
* Paranoia (feeling that people are "out to get you")
* Altered time perception
* Red, bloodshot eyes
Using marijuana for a long time makes some people lose interest in school, work, relationships and other activities. It may also cause legal problems. Using marijuana can be especially dangerous in certain situations, such as when you are driving, because your reaction time is slower. This make it more difficult to react to a dangerous situation, which could cause an accident.
How can marijuana affect me physically?
The following are some of the common physical effects of marijuana:
* Tremors (shaking)
* Nausea
* Headache
* Decreased coordination
* Breathing problems
* Increased appetite
* Reduced blood flow to the brain
* Changes in the reproductive organs
Like tobacco, marijuana contains many chemicals that can hurt the lungs and cause cancer. One marijuana cigarette can cause more damage to the lungs than many tobacco cigarettes because marijuana has more tar in it and is usually smoked without filters.
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/common/addictions/drugs/485.html
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Marijuana's Adverse Effects
Could I become chemically dependent on marijuana?
Yes. When you’re chemically dependent on marijuana, it means you crave it and you need to use more and more to get the same effect. You may have withdrawal symptoms when you stop using it, such as depressed feelings, trouble sleeping or nausea. Because marijuana is a lot stronger now than it used to be, people are also more likely to abuse it and become dependent on it than they were in the past.
It's true, Im smoking up to a pound of weed a day and hardly feel a thing. ::)
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Study: Smoking Pot May Increase Risk of Testicular Cancer
Monday, February 09, 2009
AP
Marijuana use may increase the risk of developing testicular cancer, in particular a more aggressive form of the disease, according to a U.S. study published on Monday.
The study of 369 Seattle-area men ages 18 to 44 with testicular cancer and 979 men in the same age bracket without the disease found that current marijuana users were 70 percent more likely to develop it compared to nonusers.
The risk appeared to be highest among men who had reported smoking marijuana for at least 10 years, used it more than once a week or started using it before age 18, the researchers wrote in the journal Cancer.
Stephen Schwartz of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, one of the researchers, said the study was the first to explore marijuana's possible association with testicular cancer.
"This is the first study to look at this question, and by itself is not definitive. And there's a lot more research that would have to be done in order to be more confident that marijuana use really is important in a man's risk of developing testicular cancer," Schwartz said in a telephone interview.
The study found the increased risk appeared to be in the form called nonseminoma testicular cancer. It accounts for 40 percent of cases and can be more aggressive and more difficult to treat, Schwartz said.
Experts are unsure about the causes of testicular cancer, which often strikes men in their 20s and 30s. The disease is seen more commonly in men who have had an undescended testicle or have a family history of testicular cancer.
The disease usually responds well to treatment and has a five-year survival rate of about 96 percent, according to the American Cancer Society.
About 8,000 men in the United States are diagnosed with testicular cancer per year, and there are about 140,000 U.S. men alive who have survived the disease, the group said.
The researchers said they were not sure what it was about marijuana that may raise the risk. Chronic marijuana use also can have effects on the male reproductive system including decreased sperm quality, they said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489866,00.html
Key word= MAY.
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Key word= MAY.
Actually the key word is "risk." For example, smoking cigarettes may cause lung cancer. Or a person may smoke till they are 90+ and die of old age. But smoking increases the risk of getting lung cancer.
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Study: Even Infrequent Use of Marijuana Increases Risk of Psychosis by 40 Percent
Friday, July 27, 2007
LONDON — Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.
The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent.
Doctors have long suspected a connection and say the latest findings underline the need to highlight marijuana's long-term risks. The research, paid for by the British Health Department, is being published Friday in medical journal The Lancet.
"The available evidence now suggests that cannabis is not as harmless as many people think," said Dr. Stanley Zammit, one of the study's authors and a lecturer in the department of psychological medicine at Cardiff University.
The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known.
There could be something else about marijuana users, "like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses," Zammit said.
Marijuana is the most frequently used illegal substance in many countries, including the United Kingdom and the United States. About 20 percent of young adults report using it at least once a week, according to government statistics.
Zammit and colleagues from the University of Bristol, Imperial College and Cambridge University examined 35 studies that tracked tens of thousands of people for periods ranging from one year to 27 years to examine the effect of marijuana on mental health.
They looked for psychotic illnesses as well as cognitive disorders including delusions and hallucinations, bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, neuroses and suicidal tendencies.
They found that people who used marijuana had roughly a 40 percent higher chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. The overall risk remains very low.
For example, Zammit said the risk of developing schizophrenia for most people is less than 1 percent. The prevalence of schizophrenia is believed to be about five in 1,000 people. But because of the drug's wide popularity, the researchers estimate that about 800 new cases of psychosis could be prevented by reducing marijuana use.
The scientists found a more disturbing outlook for "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly: Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.
One doctor noted that people with a history of mental illness in their families could be at higher risk. For them, marijuana use "could unmask the underlying schizophrenia," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University, who was not involved in the study.
Dr. Wilson Compton, a senior scientist at the National Institute on Drug Abuse in Washington, called the study persuasive.
"The strongest case is that there are consistencies across all of the studies," and that the link was seen only with psychoses — not anxiety, depression or other mental health problems, he said.
Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.
Scientists think it is biologically possible that marijuana could cause psychoses because it interrupts important neurotransmitters such as dopamine. That can interfere with the brain's communication systems.
Some experts say governments should now work to dispel the misconception that marijuana is a benign drug.
"We've reached the end of the road with these kinds of studies," said Dr. Robin Murray of King's College, who had no role in the Lancet study. "Experts are now agreed on the connection between cannabis and psychoses. What we need now is for 14-year-olds to know it."
In the U.K., the government will soon reconsider how marijuana should be classified in its hierarchy of drugs. In 2004, it was downgraded and penalties for possession were reduced. Many expect marijuana will be bumped up to a class "B" category, with offenses likely to lead to arrests or longer jail sentences.
Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291043,00.html
Short-term effects of alcohol use include:
Headaches, nausea, vomiting, aches and pains all result from drinking too much. Drinking to the point of drunkenness makes you sick.
Distorted vision, hearing, and coordination
altered perceptions and emotions
impaired judgment
bad breath; hangovers
Alcohol-related liver disease. More than 2 million Americans suffer from alcohol-related liver disease.
Long-term heavy drinking increases the risk for high blood pressure, heart disease, and some kinds of stroke.
Long-term heavy drinking increases the risk of developing certain forms of cancer, especially cancer of the esophagus, mouth, throat, and voice box.
Long-term heavy drinking can lead to pancreatitis, or inflammation of the pancreas. This condition is associated with severe abdominal pain and weight loss and can be fatal.
Drinking large amounts can result in alcohol poisoning, which causes unconsciousness and even death.
Long-term effects of heavy alcohol use include loss of appetite, vitamin deficiencies, stomach ailments, sexual impotence, central nervous system damage, and memory loss.
Chronic use eventually leads to depression and confusion. In severe cases, gray matter in the brain is destroyed, possibly leading to psychosis and mental disturbances.
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I think the important thing to remember for anything is, moderation.
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I disagree. Putting harmful things in your body in moderation is still harming your body. People can choose to put whatever legal substances they want in their body, either excessively or in moderation, but if the substance is harmful using it in moderation is a problem (from a health standpoint).
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I disagree. Putting harmful things in your body in moderation is still harming your body. People can choose to put whatever legal substances they want in their body, either excessively or in moderation, but if the substance is harmful using it in moderation is a problem (from a health standpoint).
wrong. There is nothing harmful with having a beer or glass of wine. That changes when excess quantities are consumed. There are benefits to many things taken with moderation where harmful effects only occur with excess.
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The Media is the LAST entity you should rely on for reliable information on Marijuana.
Try PubMed or Google Scholar. Don't buy into the propaganda.
Also, Don't misinterpret percentages. A 40% increase in something that has a rate of less than 1% is nothing. We're talking about people who are already prone to psychosis as well.
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wrong. There is nothing harmful with having a beer or glass of wine. That changes when excess quantities are consumed. There are benefits to many things taken with moderation where harmful effects only occur with excess.
Wrong. I was addressing the common "everything in moderation" comment (not a quote by BD). It's true that some things are not harmful if taken appropriately (e.g., pain meds). But if a substance is harmful it doesn't matter if you only use a little. A little carcinogen is harmful whether you ingest a little or a lot.
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Wrong. I was addressing the common "everything in moderation" comment (not a quote by BD). It's true that some things are not harmful if taken appropriately (e.g., pain meds). But if a substance is harmful it doesn't matter if you only use a little. A little carcinogen is harmful whether you ingest a little or a lot.
Cooking food at high temperatures, for example grilling or barbecuing meats, can lead to the formation of minute quantities of many potent carcinogens that are comparable to those found in cigarette smoke (i.e., benzopyrene).[6] Charring of food resembles coking and tobacco pyrolysis, and produces similar carcinogens. There are several carcinogenic pyrolysis products, such as polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, which are converted by human enzymes into epoxides, which attach permanently to DNA. Pre-cooking meats in a microwave oven for 2-3 minutes before grilling shortens the time on the hot pan, and removes heterocyclic amine (HCA) precursors, which can help minimize the formation of these carcinogens.[7]
Reports from the Food Standards Agency have found that the known animal carcinogen acrylamide is generated in fried or overheated carbohydrate foods (such as french fries and potato chips).[8] Studies are underway at the FDA and European regulatory agencies to assess its potential risk to humans. The charred residue on barbecued meats has been identified as a carcinogen, along with many other tars.
Casein, a milk protein, may also be a carcinogen as it is linked to the promotion of cancer and other diseases which was discovered in the 1980s by nutrition and health researcher, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, author of The China Study.[citation needed] Casein is often listed as sodium caseinate, calcium caseinate or milk protein. These are often found in energy bars, drinks as well as packaged goods.
Nevertheless, the fact that the food contains minute quantities does not necessarily mean that there is a significant hazard
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Cooking food at high temperatures, for example grilling or barbecuing meats, can lead to the formation of minute quantities of many potent carcinogens that are comparable to those found in cigarette smoke (i.e., benzopyrene).[6] Charring of food resembles coking and tobacco pyrolysis, and produces similar carcinogens. There are several carcinogenic pyrolysis products, such as polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, which are converted by human enzymes into epoxides, which attach permanently to DNA. Pre-cooking meats in a microwave oven for 2-3 minutes before grilling shortens the time on the hot pan, and removes heterocyclic amine (HCA) precursors, which can help minimize the formation of these carcinogens.[7]
Reports from the Food Standards Agency have found that the known animal carcinogen acrylamide is generated in fried or overheated carbohydrate foods (such as french fries and potato chips).[8] Studies are underway at the FDA and European regulatory agencies to assess its potential risk to humans. The charred residue on barbecued meats has been identified as a carcinogen, along with many other tars.
And?
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And?
"Nevertheless, the fact that the food contains minute quantities (of carcinogens), does not necessarily mean that there is a significant hazard"
I believe this information supports the moderation theory. You can't see how?
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Wrong. I was addressing the common "everything in moderation" comment (not a quote by BD). It's true that some things are not harmful if taken appropriately (e.g., pain meds). But if a substance is harmful it doesn't matter if you only use a little. A little carcinogen is harmful whether you ingest a little or a lot.
I just gave you an example where this isn't true so I thinking you're wrong, not me.
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Glen Beck said that he's "all for legalizing marijuana" but says that people who smoke should not be allowed to get health care.
Really? Even though Marijuana is less harmful than McDonalds?
Does anyone who eats Mcdonalds get disqualified for health insurance?
How about smokers?
Drinkers?
People who skydive?
People who drive race cars?
People who work stressful jobs?
How about junk food junkies?
How about people who spend too much time tanning?
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"Nevertheless, the fact that the food contains minute quantities (of carcinogens), does not necessarily mean that there is a significant hazard"
I believe this information supports the moderation theory. You can't see how?
Are you kidding? Your quote says there may not be a "significant hazard." That actually supports what I've been saying: a little harmful substance is still harmful. You're talking about degree. I'm not. If the study said there are no harmful effects from ingesting "minute quantities of carcinogens," then that would support your theory.
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Are you kidding? Your quote says there may not be a "significant hazard." That actually supports what I've been saying: a little harmful substance is still harmful. You're talking about degree. I'm not. If the study said there are no harmful effects from ingesting "minute quantities of carcinogens," then that would support your theory.
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sigh
*yawn*
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I disagree. Putting harmful things in your body in moderation is still harming your body. People can choose to put whatever legal substances they want in their body, either excessively or in moderation, but if the substance is harmful using it in moderation is a problem (from a health standpoint).
Bum,
from what you've posted on this board you seem to be a vegetarian and perhaps even a vegan (i.e. not sure if you eat honey)
would you put fish or meat in the category of "harmful substance"?
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What kills more each year cigarettes or weed?
Alcohol or weed?
Com on. There are many things that are harmful, but to what degree? Weed is pretty much harmless when put in the perspective of things like what i mentioned.
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What kills more each year cigarettes or weed?
Alcohol or weed?
Com on. There are many things that are harmful, but to what degree? Weed is pretty much harmless when put in the perspective of things like what i mentioned.
red meat or weed?
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Red meat kills MANY more people per year than Marijuana does.
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Red meat kills MANY more people per year than Marijuana does.
I think Bum would probably agree
but goddam bacon taste good
wait, that's not even red meat
still bacon....
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Bum,
from what you've posted on this board you seem to be a vegetarian and perhaps even a vegan (i.e. not sure if you eat honey)
would you put fish or meat in the category of "harmful substance"?
Depends on your definition of harm. I don't put food in the same category as drugs. But you should read The China Study and reach your own conclusions.
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What kills more each year cigarettes or weed?
Alcohol or weed?
Com on. There are many things that are harmful, but to what degree? Weed is pretty much harmless when put in the perspective of things like what i mentioned.
Probably less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol, but that doesn't make it harmless. That's an overstatement.
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Depends on your definition of harm. I don't put food in the same category as drugs. But you should read The China Study and reach your own conclusions.
what's your definition of harm
does a meat based diet have a greater chance of causing harm (say heart disease, stroke, cancer,etc..) than smoking pot?
how about eating products made with pot butter or oil?
how about a strict vegan who eats the occasional pot brownie?
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Depends on your definition of harm. I don't put food in the same category as drugs. But you should read The China Study and reach your own conclusions.
Food and drugs are usually interchangeable. Many foods contain drugs. And many foods affect the body in the same ways.
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Depends on your definition of harm. I don't put food in the same category as drugs. But you should read The China Study and reach your own conclusions.
Are you sure you aren't high right now?
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Food and drugs are usually interchangeable. Many foods contain drugs. And many foods affect the body in the same ways.
exactly
even exercise can have effects greater than drug "therapy"
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what's your definition of harm
does a meat based diet have a greater chance of causing harm (say heart disease, stroke, cancer,etc..) than smoking pot?
how about eating products made with pot butter or oil?
how about a strict vegan who eats the occasional pot brownie?
Does a meat-based diet increase the risk of heart disease and certain cancers? Yes. From that standpoint is it "harmful"? Of course. Dr. Colin Campbell's research actually ties diseases to animal protein. It is the foods we eat and lives we lead that result in the diseases that kill us most in the U.S. (heart disease and cancer).
The rest of your questions are just dumb.
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Does a meat-based diet increase the risk of heart disease and certain cancers? Yes. From that standpoint is it "harmful"? Of course. Dr. Colin Campbell's research actually ties diseases to animal protein. It is the foods we eat and lives we lead that result in the diseases that kill us most in the U.S. (heart disease and cancer).
The rest of your questions are just dumb.
why is asking you about a vegan eating food made with pot butter dumb?
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Probably less harmful than cigarettes and alcohol, but that doesn't make it harmless. That's an overstatement.
Not really, when put in perspective. We don't consider the many things we eat harmless, yet by definition they are.
By another perspective, anything we eat or drink or inhale is harmful, otherwise we wouldn't die. ;D
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Not really, when put in perspective. We don't consider the many things we eat harmless, yet by definition they are.
By another perspective, anything we eat or drink or inhale is harmful, otherwise we wouldn't die. ;D
wouldn't I die quicker eating nothing than eating steak and eggs ever day
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Food and drugs are usually interchangeable. Many foods contain drugs. And many foods affect the body in the same ways.
That's crazy. They're not "usually interchangeable." When I mentioned drugs I was talking about cocaine, heroin, LSD, marijuana, etc. Food is not "usually interchangeable" with those drugs, especially plant foods.
What foods are hallucinogens? ::)
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Are you sure you aren't high right now?
Are you masturbating to a Ron Paul picture or is that every other day?
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Not really, when put in perspective. We don't consider the many things we eat harmless, yet by definition they are.
By another perspective, anything we eat or drink or inhale is harmful, otherwise we wouldn't die. ;D
Comparing a harmful substance to something else doesn't make it any less harmful. Yes we (society) consider many things we eat harmless, but that doesn't make it true.
I'm sure you could come up with a list of things that we eat or drink that isn't harmful.
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Are you masturbating to a Ron Paul picture or is that every other day?
lame, sprinkled with bitter
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lame, sprinkled with bitter
Incoherent.
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I disagree. Putting harmful things in your body in moderation is still harming your body. People can choose to put whatever legal substances they want in their body, either excessively or in moderation, but if the substance is harmful using it in moderation is a problem (from a health standpoint).
I feel a little dumber after reading this...(and many other post from this Bum)
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I feel a little dumber after reading this...(and many other post from this Bum)
lol. Okay Benjamin Button. You're not going to let some clip do your thinking for you? :)
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lol. Okay Benjamin Button. You're not going to let some clip do your thinking for you? :)
Honestly, after seeing the skit from CNBC called "Marajuana Inc." we really need to legalize pot and start making this a money generating enterprise instead of a endless pit of tax money.
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Honestly, after seeing the skit from CNBC called "Marajuana Inc." we really need to legalize pot and start making this a money generating enterprise instead of a endless pit of tax money.
I really don't have a firm opinion about legalizing pot. I've spent a lot of years talking to kids about the dangers of drug use, so I'm inclined to keep things the way they are, but I haven't really delved into the whole "legalize and tax it" viewpoint.
What I disagree with is trying to justify violating the current law and trying to say it is "harmless."
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all prohibition does is try to take things away from otherwise law abiding citizens...what did it do for alcohol?did it stop it?no it made everything worse.crime went up....what would happen if the government made guns illegal?all it would do is take the rights of the average law abiding citizen away from them.the criminal's are still criminal.they don't care about the law they will still have guns.would it stop the otherwise law abiding people from trying to arm themselves?I hope not...but then they would be labeled criminal to.
It all comes down to human rights and common sense.you can't regulate what another person wants to put in there body.All you can do is educate them and hope they make a wise decision.everyone knows McDonald's is terrible for you does it stop people from eating there every day?hell no.
I'll ask it again..When has anything being illegal stopped someone who wanted to use it from using it?If a bodybuilder decides he wants to do steroids all the laws in the world aren't going to stop him from doing so.same goes for pot,alcohol,etc.
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all prohibition does is try to take things away from otherwise law abiding citizens...what did it do for alcohol?did it stop it?no it made everything worse.crime went up....what would happen if the government made guns illegal?all it would do is take the rights of the average law abiding citizen away from them.the criminal's are still criminal.they don't care about the law they will still have guns.would it stop the otherwise law abiding people from trying to arm themselves?I hope not...but then they would be labeled criminal to.
It all comes down to human rights and common sense.you can't regulate what another person wants to put in there body.All you can do is educate them and hope they make a wise decision.everyone knows McDonald's is terrible for you does it stop people from eating there every day?hell no.
I'll ask it again..When has anything being illegal stopped someone who wanted to use it from using it?If a bodybuilder decides he wants to do steroids all the laws in the world aren't going to stop him from doing so.same goes for pot,alcohol,etc.
Like I said, I never ever smoked doped in my life, but I agree that we should legalize pot. The police state and gang problems that it has fueled is unacceptable.
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I really don't have a firm opinion about legalizing pot. I've spent a lot of years talking to kids about the dangers of drug use, so I'm inclined to keep things the way they are, but I haven't really delved into the whole "legalize and tax it" viewpoint.
What I disagree with is trying to justify violating the current law and trying to say it is "harmless."
thats great you talk to kids about the dangers as everyone should...but whats that have to do with"keeping things the way they are".things the way they are now aren't working.and most of law enforcement that are fighting this war on drugs agree with that.
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thats great you talk to kids about the dangers as everyone should...but whats that have to do with"keeping things the way they are".things the way they are now aren't working.and most of law enforcement that are fighting this war on drugs agree with that.
I don't think drug use is a good thing. I don't think most successful people use drugs. I don't think it makes people smarter (probably the opposite). I don't think it's healthy.
I wouldn't say current drug laws are not working. We have laws in place. Most people follow the law. Some violate it. Some who violate it are punished. It will always be that way.
I don't think there is a law on the books that has completely prevented criminal activity. We still have thieves, murderers, rapists, molesters, tax cheats, etc. Hundreds and thousands of them. But we still keep those laws on the books and punish those who break those laws.
And no, I'm not equating potheads with murders, etc. I'm only addressing the futility argument.
What should happen is people who disagree with the law should lobby their representatives to get the law changed, not break the current law and try to justify being a criminal.
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I don't think drug use is a good thing. I don't think most successful people use drugs. I don't think it makes people smarter (probably the opposite). I don't think it's healthy.
1. Most people (successful or not) use drugs.
2. Drug use can be a good thing if done right.
3. Some drugs can increase mental capacity and performance.
4. Some drugs are healthy, and most aren't unhealthy. Marijuana is not unhealthy and does have health benefits.
I wouldn't say current drug laws are not working. We have laws in place. Most people follow the law. Some violate it. Some who violate it are punished. It will always be that way.
Most people do NOT follow the laws. Most people break the laws. Look at the drug statistics (which are often estimated to be undervalued) and the marijuana use statistics. MOST people have used illegal drugs, many recently.
Your definition of "working" is bullshit. No system that "worked" would create more havoc than it pretends to stop. No system that "worked" would deprive people of liberty over a plant.
What should happen is people who disagree with the law should lobby their representatives to get the law changed, not break the current law and try to justify being a criminal.
Why not break marijuana laws? Apart from getting in "trouble" with "big brother"..What is the harm?
Wait...Reefer Madness?
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1. Most people (successful or not) use drugs.
2. Drug use can be a good thing if done right.
3. Some drugs can increase mental capacity and performance.
4. Some drugs are healthy, and most aren't unhealthy. Marijuana is not unhealthy and does have health benefits.
Most people do NOT follow the laws. Most people break the laws. Look at the drug statistics (which are often estimated to be undervalued) and the marijuana use statistics. MOST people have used illegal drugs, many recently.
Your definition of "working" is bullshit. No system that "worked" would create more havoc than it pretends to stop. No system that "worked" would deprive people of liberty over a plant.
Why not break marijuana laws? Apart from getting in "trouble" with "big brother"..What is the harm?
Wait...Reefer Madness?
Just to clarify, when I say "drugs" I'm referring to cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, crack, ice, etc.
1. No, most people don't use drugs and most successful people do not use drugs.
2. Recreational drugs, which is the context for comments, are "good" because they put people in an altered state of mind, but that is a temporary feeling.
3. No, drugs do not increase mental capacity and performance. That's why it's against the law to drive under the influence of drugs and probably always will be whether we legalize them or not. Plus, the reason employers drug test is because they don't want people who use drugs working for them.
4. Drugs are not healthy. There is nothing healthy about smoking. At a minimum, it probably damages cilia (sp?). The only health benefits of marijuana is pain med. I've already posted numerous links talking about negative side-effects.
5. No, most people in this country do not use drugs. More crazy talk. People who use drugs are a minority. Most people obey the law. That's why our society functions so well. A vocal minority is still a minority.
6. Using drugs is not constitutional right. Did I miss the part of the Constitution, court decision, etc. that says this?
7. Why obey the law?? ::) You may not get this, but obeying the law is a good thing. It's part of being a good citizen. It gives you more choices in life. It avoids having to sacrifice your freedom. It makes you better citizen and role model. You sleep well. If you want the law changed then lobby your representatives.
Those are some of the things I tell impressionable fourth and fifth graders. Adults know better.