Author Topic: tax Marijuana to save the economy? (Read 15146 times)

Dos Equis · « **Reply #100 on:** February 26, 2009, 07:13:38 PM »

The face of legalized pot . . . lol . . .

240 is Back · « **Reply #101 on:** February 26, 2009, 07:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on February 26, 2009, 07:17:08 PM

well, according to tony, less people would be driving drunk if drinking was illegal. Since there is no question whatsoever that the bulk of DUI is alcohol related, do you also advocate a return to prohibition? I understand your rage against intoxicated drivers and trust me I share it. No doubt about it, people should not partake and drive.

I don't think prohibition would work. It didnt work back then.

I DO think that "you fail a breathalizer and we break either your hand or your foot, and you do 370 days in the state Penn would most certainly work.

If I fired a bullet onto the populated roads blindly, I'd be seeing that kinda jail time easily.
Yet a guy can drive a 1000 pound truck at 70 mph down a populated street and get 18 hours in country lockup and probation?

F that. F them. You drive drunk, you get bones broken. End of story.

liberalismo · « **Reply #102 on:** February 26, 2009, 07:27:41 PM »

There is no point in arguing with idiots. Once someone gets an idea in their head, they will argue it until their faces turn red even if they know they are wrong, because they want to admit it publicly.

The facts are simple, and people who want to keep the government in our lives are fools. They also show their hypocrisy concerning marijuana and alcohol. The truth is that marijuana MUST be legalized ASAP, and the same goes for MOST drugs that are now illegal. There will be downsides, but the upsides of legalization FAR OUT WEIGH the downsides. The downsides of legalization are MUCH SMALLER than the downsides of prohibition. Simple fact: Harm reduction.

I don't see the point in arguing with people who will never get it, or who already get it and won't admit it. It's a waste of time.

We all need to keep researching the matter. Learn more things and perhaps the people wrong on the issue will become right on the issue.

240 is Back · « **Reply #103 on:** February 26, 2009, 07:49:05 PM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on February 26, 2009, 07:35:54 PM

I've actually said that same line on many occations. This is why I have also thought cops should just put a bullet in a driver when they take off instead of engaging in a high speed chase. because it's the same as the guy having a loaded weapon and firing it blindly into a populated area. They would get shot for that.

good call. i can see if the guy has a reason. has to crap and hates public restrooms, ya know.

big L dawg · « **Reply #104 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:54:45 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on February 26, 2009, 06:58:58 PM

i hear this pro-weed stuff form my brother every day. i dont buy it. too many ignorant assholes would be handing it to their little brothers on the playgrounds. too many selfish cuuntrags would smoke for 8 hours then drive to the CircleK and run me over.

Nope. I'd pistol whip the shit out of a drunk driver if he hit me, and i'd do the same to a weeded out driver. Fuck you, get behind the wheel without your bearings.

I agree that DUI laws should be alot stricter.but everything else your saying is pretty moronic.you don't think that ignorant asshole is handing it to his little brothers in the playground now?If the guys an idiot before legalization he will be an idiot after legalization.

Quote from: 240 is Back on February 26, 2009, 07:21:33 PM

I don't think prohibition would work. It didn't work back then.

I DO think that "you fail a breathalizer and we break either your hand or your foot, and you do 370 days in the state Penn would most certainly work.

If I fired a bullet onto the populated roads blindly, I'd be seeing that kinda jail time easily.
Yet a guy can drive a 1000 pound truck at 70 mph down a populated street and get 18 hours in country lockup and probation?

F that. F them. You drive drunk, you get bones broken. End of story.

you don't think prohibition would work?no shit It's already been provin it doesn't work.do you think it's actually working now for weed?Hell no it's not working.when has a drug being illegal ever stopped someone that wants to do it from doing it?

I'm all for locking someone up and throwing away the key if they do stupid shit under the influence.be it alcohol,weed or what ever.Hell legalize weed but make a 5 year mandatory sentence for getting busted driving on it.would you vote for that?or just let the people that are already going to drink/smoke and drive get a slap on the wrist when they get pulled over.

MCWAY · « **Reply #105 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:13:00 AM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 26, 2009, 02:24:48 PM

Your logic is GROTESQUE.

The lives ruined by the drug war is NOT the fault of the drug offenders, but rather the government. EVERYONE has the right to put what they want into their own bodies, period. The government does not have a right to rob people of their civil liberties and freedom.

No one is being robbed of anything. And last time I checked, nothing in the Constitution (state or federal) has any clause about smoking tree, being a "civil liberty". The government didn't ruin their lives and neither did the drug war. THE DRUG TAKERS RUINED THEIR LIVES.

Quote from: liberalismo on February 26, 2009, 02:24:48 PM

Your argument is that if a law exists, and if someone breaks it and is punished, it is the persons fault who breaks the law. But this reasoning is fallacious because not all laws are just.

True. But, you've shown nothing about why this law is unjust, other than it stepping on your toes with regards to getting stoned.

Quote from: liberalismo on February 26, 2009, 02:24:48 PM

It would be like claiming that slaves who run away from their masters, and thus broke the law, were at fault if they got punished. You're ignoring the fact that slavery itself is unjust, just as you are ignoring the fact that drug laws are inherently unjust and irrational.

Give me a break! Nobody, not the goverment or society-at-large is under any obligation to assist you in becoming a junkie.

Quote from: liberalismo on February 26, 2009, 02:24:48 PM

I'm not blaming the cops. I'm blaming the politicians. The lawmakers.

In other words, in true liberal fashion, you're blaming everyone BUT YOURSELF.

Quote from: liberalismo on February 26, 2009, 02:24:48 PM

Legalizing marijuana will help California and it will help the United States in general. It will save money. Period.
Marijuana has had a decent economy in the past with Marijuana outlawed, but if marijuana were legal at that time it would have been even better. And right now neither California or the United states can afford throwing people in prison over plants.

Then, they need to lay off the stuff.

Legalizing marijuana ain't going help California or the United States one bit. Any money that could possibly be made from that would be squandered in about the same time it takes you to fire up a blunt and smoke it, primarily with worker productivity driven down even further and people getting canned for having drugs in their system, when their employers have drug-free policies.

This attempt to utilize an economic crisis to feed your need for weed is as pitiful as it is laughable. California's problem ain't a lack of money; it's SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY on, among other things, welfare and other benefits for people who have no business being in your state in the first place.

OzmO · « **Reply #106 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:26:19 AM »

The fact that people are seriously talking about this shows it will be legal someday. Maybe 10 years from now. I'd be surprised if it was sooner.

I'd fully support legalized Marijuana. The idea that's it a dangerous drug when nicotine and Alcohol are for more damaging is ludicrous.

Aside from that obtaining Marijuana is as easy as going to a store.

the fact that's it's "illegal" hasn't stopped it at all. And to imprison someone for it plain stupid and a waste of tax payers money.

It would bring revenue in, just like the taxes on Cigarettes and Booze.

No different.

MCWAY · « **Reply #107 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:33:08 AM »

Quote from: OzmO on February 27, 2009, 08:26:19 AM

The fact that people are seriously talking about this shows it will be legal someday. Maybe 10 years from now. I'd be surprised if it was sooner.

I'd fully support legalized Marijuana. The idea that's it a dangerous drug when nicotine and Alcohol are for more damaging is ludicrous.

Aside from that obtaining Marijuana is as easy as going to a store.

the fact that's it's "illegal" hasn't stopped it at all. And to imprison someone for it plain stupid and a waste of tax payers money.

It would bring revenue in, just like the taxes on Cigarettes and Booze.

No different.

The economic crisis in California is due to items that have NOTHING to do with weed or any other illegal drugs, or people being locked up for having such.

As I said, whatever revenue could be made from such would be SQUANDERED almost as quickly. And that's the heart of matter: Wasteful spending of the money, not lack of the money.

OzmO · « **Reply #108 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:36:22 AM »

Quote from: MCWAY on February 27, 2009, 08:33:08 AM

The economic crisis in California is due to items that have NOTHING to do with weed or any other illegal drugs, or people being locked up for having such.

As I said, whatever revenue could be made from such would be SQUANDERED almost as quickly. And that's the heart of matter: Wasteful spending of the money, not lack of the money.

I agree. The economic crisis in California is not because weed is illegal.

And the money will likely get squandered.

But it still should be legal.

big L dawg · « **Reply #109 on:** February 27, 2009, 12:01:25 PM »

big L dawg · « **Reply #110 on:** February 27, 2009, 12:04:25 PM »

Dos Equis · « **Reply #111 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:53:14 PM »

Don't know if any of this is accurate. Maybe we should ask Snoop Doggy Dogg . . . .

The Marijuana side effects and adverse effects of smoking marijuana

Please note that this article was made with help of proven study's by professionals. I would like to educate those who don't know about marijuana and to help them control their use and still have a good time.
Some of the common side effects of marijuana are:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia
Altered time perception

Some people are not affected with these symptoms of marijuana, many are related with the person's health that smoked it, example, people who have a history of mental or health problems should be advised not to smoke or ingest it, unless it was proven that it would not affect his or hers behavior. First time smokers of marijuana should always use a small dose to see how it would effect their body or mind. This is a good way to see if marijuana is OK for you with the minimal side affects and dangers associated with smoking marijuana.

Marijuana causes physical side effects as well when used in large doses. Some can be cured with remedy's that are fairly simple. Water or juice is very good in preventing dry mouth (cotton mouth). Sugar and fat free foods are also great in fixing that hunger you might encounter when smoking or ingesting marijuana. If there is a problem with headache or nausea, a warm bath would help. Things that should be avoided with smoking marijuana are, drinks that contain caffeine, fatty foods with allot of sugar, and excessive exercise.

Physical Adverse Effects of Marijuana
Dry mouth
Nausea
Headache
Tremor
Decreased coordination Increased heart rate
Altered pulmonary status
Altered body temperature
Reduced muscle strength
Decreased cerebral blood flow
Increased food consumption

there are marijuana side effects that alter the brain also. These types of side effects are usually associated with brain distorters. If anyone would have an effect below that they cannot control, they are not recommended to smoke or ingest marijuana. Milder forms of the side effects can be controlled with practice and reminders from a friend with you at the time

Neuropsychiatric Adverse Effects of Marijuana

Anxiety and panic
Paranoia
Confusion
Aggressiveness
Hallucinations
Sedation
Altered libido Possible suicidal ideation
Depersonalization
Derealization
Poor sense of time
Worsened short-term memory
Addictive behaviors
Amotivational syndrome

The worst thing that can happen is that if you smoke by yourself for the first time. You may not notice the marijuana side effects and may hurt yourself or others. Having a good friend near by is a good idea because they can keep you out of harms way and provide assistance if you need it. lastly a reminder, this article is not to scare people out of smoking it. Marijuana effects everyone differently, its just facts to educate those who don't know.

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijuana-Side-Effects.html

240 is Back · « **Reply #112 on:** February 28, 2009, 12:08:18 AM »

this weed issue is all over mainstream news this week. Seriously, if they legalize it, i'm going to make it my mission to pistol whip any a-hole that I see driving under the influence of weed. I'll happily post my arrest record when that day comes too.

big L dawg · « **Reply #113 on:** February 28, 2009, 04:48:09 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on February 28, 2009, 12:08:18 AM

this weed issue is all over mainstream news this week. Seriously, if they legalize it, i'm going to make it my mission to pistol whip any a-hole that I see driving under the influence of weed. I'll happily post my arrest record when that day comes too.

dude seriously I feel your pain.But there's more people diving all doped up on pills from the doc that are way worse drugs to be on (Especially when driving) than weed.and alot of them drugs would not be needed if marijuana were legalized.certain drug companies are scared to death of this.they want everyone on there drugs.

liberalismo · « **Reply #114 on:** February 28, 2009, 06:11:19 AM »

Most people today are driving under the influences of SOMETHING and most of those things are worse than driving on marijuana.

OzmO · « **Reply #115 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:22:53 AM »

Well one thing, you won't have to worry too much about with people driving on Marijuana is road rage.

liberalismo · « **Reply #116 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:54:37 PM »

Quote from: Beach Bum on February 27, 2009, 11:53:14 PM

Don't know if any of this is accurate. Maybe we should ask Snoop Doggy Dogg . . . .

The Marijuana side effects and adverse effects of smoking marijuana

Please note that this article was made with help of proven study's by professionals. I would like to educate those who don't know about marijuana and to help them control their use and still have a good time.
Some of the common side effects of marijuana are:

Trouble remembering things
Sleepiness
Anxiety
Paranoia
Altered time perception

Some people are not affected with these symptoms of marijuana, many are related with the person's health that smoked it, example, people who have a history of mental or health problems should be advised not to smoke or ingest it, unless it was proven that it would not affect his or hers behavior. First time smokers of marijuana should always use a small dose to see how it would effect their body or mind. This is a good way to see if marijuana is OK for you with the minimal side affects and dangers associated with smoking marijuana.

Marijuana causes physical side effects as well when used in large doses. Some can be cured with remedy's that are fairly simple. Water or juice is very good in preventing dry mouth (cotton mouth). Sugar and fat free foods are also great in fixing that hunger you might encounter when smoking or ingesting marijuana. If there is a problem with headache or nausea, a warm bath would help. Things that should be avoided with smoking marijuana are, drinks that contain caffeine, fatty foods with allot of sugar, and excessive exercise.

Physical Adverse Effects of Marijuana
Dry mouth
Nausea
Headache
Tremor
Decreased coordination Increased heart rate
Altered pulmonary status
Altered body temperature
Reduced muscle strength
Decreased cerebral blood flow
Increased food consumption

there are marijuana side effects that alter the brain also. These types of side effects are usually associated with brain distorters. If anyone would have an effect below that they cannot control, they are not recommended to smoke or ingest marijuana. Milder forms of the side effects can be controlled with practice and reminders from a friend with you at the time

Neuropsychiatric Adverse Effects of Marijuana

Anxiety and panic
Paranoia
Confusion
Aggressiveness
Hallucinations
Sedation
Altered libido Possible suicidal ideation
Depersonalization
Derealization
Poor sense of time
Worsened short-term memory
Addictive behaviors
Amotivational syndrome

The worst thing that can happen is that if you smoke by yourself for the first time. You may not notice the marijuana side effects and may hurt yourself or others. Having a good friend near by is a good idea because they can keep you out of harms way and provide assistance if you need it. lastly a reminder, this article is not to scare people out of smoking it. Marijuana effects everyone differently, its just facts to educate those who don't know.

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/Marijuana-Side-Effects.html

The only effects I've experienced are increase appetite and altered time perception, meaning time goes by usually faster than usual.

All of the other side effects are rare.

Check out the side effects of Asprin or Caffeine.

Then look at some for other OTC drugs. Then prescription drugs.

Marijuana? Harmless.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #117 on:** February 28, 2009, 09:11:47 PM »

From everything I've heard about it, I wish I could enjoy it myself. One side effect not mentioned is that some might have an allergic reaction which is what I had to it when I tried it as a teen and it wasn't pleasant.

2ND COMING · « **Reply #118 on:** February 28, 2009, 09:31:46 PM »

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #119 on:** February 28, 2009, 11:33:15 PM »

tonymctones · « **Reply #120 on:** March 01, 2009, 01:21:31 AM »

Quote from: liberalismo on February 28, 2009, 08:54:37 PM

The only effects I've experienced are increase appetite and altered time perception, meaning time goes by usually faster than usual.

All of the other side effects are rare.

Check out the side effects of Asprin or Caffeine.

Then look at some for other OTC drugs. Then prescription drugs.

Marijuana? Harmless.

bro if those are the only side effects then you are not and have never been a pot head my friend...all those are extremely common among pot smokers

tonymctones · « **Reply #121 on:** March 01, 2009, 01:24:15 AM »

Quote from: OzmO on February 27, 2009, 08:26:19 AM

The fact that people are seriously talking about this shows it will be legal someday. Maybe 10 years from now. I'd be surprised if it was sooner.

I'd fully support legalized Marijuana. The idea that's it a dangerous drug when nicotine and Alcohol are for more damaging is ludicrous.

Aside from that obtaining Marijuana is as easy as going to a store.

the fact that's it's "illegal" hasn't stopped it at all. And to imprison someone for it plain stupid and a waste of tax payers money.

It would bring revenue in, just like the taxes on Cigarettes and Booze.

No different.

I agree that sooner or later it will be legal, that doesnt make it right. Prostitution would bring in money as well so would slavery but that doesnt make these things ok to legalize oz.

I agree when i was younger i had to get a fake id to get booze but i could get drugs with just a simple phone call.

2ND COMING · « **Reply #122 on:** March 01, 2009, 01:26:00 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 01, 2009, 01:21:31 AM

bro if those are the only side effects then you are not and have never been a pot head my friend...all those are extremely common among pot smokers

u just contradicted yourself...just wake up mctizzones?

what do u expect him to do trip out? u don't trip out on weed. H'es 100% dead on about the effects

maybe add paranoia to the list.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #123 on:** March 01, 2009, 10:38:02 AM »

I agree with you on 99% of things, but this is one where we part ways.

The govt spends too much money on drug enforcement and police state garbage.

I have NEVER smoke a joint in my life yet favor 100% legalizing and taxing pot.

OzmO · « **Reply #124 on:** March 01, 2009, 11:15:17 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on March 01, 2009, 01:24:15 AM

I agree that sooner or later it will be legal, that doesnt make it right. Prostitution would bring in money as well so would slavery but that doesnt make these things ok to legalize oz.

I agree when i was younger i had to get a fake id to get booze but i could get drugs with just a simple phone call.

There many things that aren't right that are legal. The problems is, these are happening anyway and in many instances police turn a blind to it. For example in San Francisco, Massage Parlors are whore houses. Everyone knows it and the police let it go on. Hookers walk down streets in cities of 100K and every one knows what they are. It continues undisturbed. People routinely smoke pot at concerts, driving there car, in parking lots etc...

The point is, people will do what they want to their bodies regardless of the law. And you are right, it's not right, but it will not stop.

The are 33333 said, there are millions, if not billions spent on local and federal drug enforcement to stop something that will not be stopped. Prohibition didn't work. We should legalize and tax.