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Well Washington is up to their old tricks with the ton of $ given to Haynesworth and the resigning of Hall.
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body,what the hell just happened? I was about to respond to your post :D
looks like Fred Taylor to the Pats.
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Poor Calvin...left talking to himself. ;D
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body,what the hell just happened? I was about to respond to your post :D
looks like Fred Taylor to the Pats.
Look for Cassel to go at some point. They are also cutting old players and making room for the new wave.
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Poor Calvin...left talking to himself. ;D
It happens ;D
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Jets are making a big push at Scott.
Winslow traded from the Browns to the Bucs.
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Jets are making a big push at Scott.
Winslow traded from the Browns to the Bucs.
Jets got Scott (damn it)....
Look for Vrabel to be part of a huge deal with KC and Cassel.
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Jets got Scott (damn it)....
Look for Vrabel to be part of a huge deal with KC and Cassel.
G-men going after Micheal Boley from the Falcons.4 year starter only 26.got benched last year for being to aggressive in a read and react defense.
typical Reese.not looking for the big contract big splash player.looking for a solid player while he builds through the draft.
...boring but effective.
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G-men going after Micheal Boley from the Falcons.4 year starter only 26.got benched last year for being to aggressive in a read and react defense.
typical Reese.not looking for the big contract big splash player.looking for a solid player while he builds through the draft.
...boring but effective.
Pats will get:
Either a big time player or a first and a third round draft pick for Vrabel and Cassel. If they pull this off, it will be crazy.
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the patriots are closing in on peppers...eventually making they're front 7 look like this
warren
wilfork
seymour
mayo
thomas
bruschi
peppers
FUCKING UNFAIR!!!!
it's not like belichek and his goons to go after huge fa's.
lets hope it backfires
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the patriots are closing in on peppers...eventually making they're front 7 look like this
warren
wilfork
seymour
mayo
thomas
bruschi
peppers
FUCKING UNFAIR!!!!
it's not like belichek and his goons to go after huge fa's.
lets hope it backfires
Something is up. They have their first, two second rounders (chargers pick) two thirds (comp pick for Asante) two fourths and their day two stack.
They are making cap space right now. If they pull this off, I would hope Belichick is given a bank full of money. Can you imagine totally rebuilding a secondary and defense coming off an 11-5 season and hauling multiple high picks or coveted players for a backup QB taken in the 6th round?
Of course, none of this is a done deal....so we shall see.
You're on the money, but it would look like this -IMO:
warren
wilfork (lock up long term)
seymour
peppers (Elephant lb)
mayo
Thomas
(Draft another lb)
Guyton - Crable - Banta-Cain - Bru (in a limited role) - Alexander
(Draft or aquire #1 db)
Hobbs
Wheatley
Wilhite (Nickle)
(Draft or aquire saftey)
Tank Williams (Hybrid SS/LB)
Meriweather (ss)
Harrison as a rotation stop gab.
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what do u think the chances of bill trying a 4-3?
is used it some in 08 and in the sb too
and..harrison is retired,right
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what do u think the chances of bill trying a 4-3?
is used it some in 08 and in the sb too
and..harrison is retired,right
They run it about 30% of the time, currently.....but if you notice, there are now 10 - 3/4 teams in the NFL. Back in 2001 it was only the pats and the steelers. I don't see him running it full time (because his players are not suited for it), but with the addition of Crable and Guyton they now have some guys who can rush off the edge. The pats have been missing a true elephant linebacker since Ted Johnson retired, thats why I find all this Peppers talk so interesting.
I believe that the pats are rebuilding the team currently, but still staying competitive. People thought of the D as old and slow, but if you look 90% of the D will be under 28 years old next year. Harrison will be kept as a stop-gap and a coach on the field, but he is on the back nine of his career.
The defense has given up the big play when it counted most in 3 of the last four years....they are on track to add the playmakers to stop that from happening again. They are loading up for this draft.
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when i think of the pats i think of the withering OLINE. they are old and weak.
They have a 3 man Dline that can collapse the pocket though..shit seymour at 300lbs at de is a monster and would be perfect for a 4-3 dt. throw peppers and end...thomas at 270 is an elephant lb if u ask me. Not too many 270lb OUTSIDE lb'ers. He's a true sam lb.
it's gonna be hilarious watching peppers drop into coverage.
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Fragile Fred was a good pickup.
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Fragile Fred was a good pickup.
By no means will he be a starting back, but he will be a great addition to LoMo, Morris, Faulk and BJGE. People didn't realize that the pats had a top 8 rushing game last year. Good cheap backs are a good addition. Worst case he add's to the team in a limited role, best case we get a Corey Dillon type situation.
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when i think of the pats i think of the withering OLINE. they are old and weak.
They have a 3 man Dline that can collapse the pocket though..shit seymour at 300lbs at de is a monster and would be perfect for a 4-3 dt. throw peppers and end...thomas at 270 is an elephant lb if u ask me. Not too many 270lb OUTSIDE lb'ers. He's a true sam lb.
it's gonna be hilarious watching peppers drop into coverage.
I think injuries and a rookie who needed to learn how to set protection (when he first started) were the source of the pats o-line woes over the first half of last year. Dont forget, in 2007, the Pats line was the best in the NFL and Mankins, Light and Koppen were pro-bowlers. Koppen and Neal were hurt for most of the year last year and that really screwed things up. The o-line is young - but they did have a down year last year.
The stop-gap guys are jags. Kasczer, O'Callahan and Hochstein are not pro bowl type players and they played a bigger role than they should have last year.
The pats need to draft a LT and move light back to his best position which is RT. Mankins is one of the nastiest and best g's in the NFL, Light is solid, Koppen is a pro-bowl center and Neal ( who was hurt most of last year) is a above average run blocker. But, as I said before, Kaszcer, O'Call and Hoch are jags and we could use a upgrade at LT which would fix the problem at LT with light at times.
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Ravens sign CB Dominque Foxworth out of Atlanta. He's a home grown product from the U. of MD. Broncos drafted in the third round a few years ago. He should start alongside Fabian Washington.
Questionable signing in my eyes. Especially the money he received. 17 million in guarantees? To my knowledge he's never played a 16 game season. But he's very fast and likes to tackle so that's a positive.
Ravens lose C Jason Brown and Bart Scott to free agency. Both very good players who will be missed. But the Ravens have one of the best front offices in the NFL. Gotta think they know what they're doing. Hope they plan on keeping Jim Leonard over Dawan Landry at SS.
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By no means will he be a starting back, but he will be a great addition to LoMo, Morris, Faulk and BJGE. People didn't realize that the pats had a top 8 rushing game last year. Good cheap backs are a good addition. Worst case he add's to the team in a limited role, best case we get a Corey Dillon type situation.
Didn't realize they were top 8 in rushing. Did they run the ball more because Brady was hurt?
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Didn't realize they were top 8 in rushing. Did they run the ball more because Brady was hurt?
No, they have had an underrated running game to several unspectacular - but effective backs. Maroney did rush for 500 yards in the 2007 playoffs, but as you know, he was hurt all year last year.
They run more than people think, but since they have guys like Welker and Moss, people tend to focus on the air attack. It would be nice to get a big time back, but I don't think that compliments what the pats try to do with Welker. To them 1500 yards is 1500 yards, whether one guy does it or four do it.
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Seems like a great deal for KC, especially as they got two players one of which is a good QB. NE I think should've been able to get better value, but the whole story as to why they settled for this is unclear, factoring in the KC GM connection. In addition, it has to be considered that KC's 2nd pick is fairly high. The fact that Brady is not yet proven as a sure thing to last another season makes letting Cassel go questionable, but they might have had to do it and/or had some good replacement drafts in mind.
The compensation is surprising, because two years ago, the Atlanta Falcons got two second-round picks from Houston for a far less experienced quarterback, Matt Schaub.
Bill Belichick either didn't get a better offer, or he did one of his best friends, Pioli, a favor with a player Belichick wanted to put in a good situation; Belichick is very fond of Cassel. It would not be surprising to see Belichick make the deal with Pioli because both were trained under Bill Parcells, and Parcells always made sure he watched out for his lieutenants and helped them whenever it didn't hurt him.
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Seems like a great deal for KC, especially as they got two players one of which is a good QB. NE I think should've been able to get better value, but the whole story as to why they settled for this is unclear, factoring in the KC GM connection. In addition, it has to be considered that KC's 2nd pick is fairly high. The fact that Brady is not yet proven as a sure thing to last another season makes letting Cassel go questionable, but they might have had to do it and/or had some good replacement drafts in mind.
The compensation is surprising, because two years ago, the Atlanta Falcons got two second-round picks from Houston for a far less experienced quarterback, Matt Schaub.
Bill Belichick either didn't get a better offer, or he did one of his best friends, Pioli, a favor with a player Belichick wanted to put in a good situation; Belichick is very fond of Cassel. It would not be surprising to see Belichick make the deal with Pioli because both were trained under Bill Parcells, and Parcells always made sure he watched out for his lieutenants and helped them whenever it didn't hurt him.
First, I would like to say that I told you so ;) Cassel would not have been traded if Brady was not thought to be fine. Also, Bradys backup was drafted last year in the third round ( the highest the pats have ever taken a QB under Bill). Secondly, Mike Vrabel was traded for a third round draft choice. He is 36 years old and playing on the back nine of his career. Thats the favor KC did for NE. Third, Cassel was a UFDA who could have walked either way. They just got the 34th pick in the draft for a sixth round ufda. They now have the 23rd, 34th, 46th, 40th, 66th, 70th and all their day two picks in a great defensive draft. There was a third team involved in this so the deal is not done yet.
You dont always have to get every scrap of money to make something a good deal. Of course Bill did Pioli a slight favor, this is a win - win for everyone. And I bet KC does the pats a favor in the draft. I bet the pats go after Peppers.
Also, the pats might have wanted to send Cassel to a good situation, so they took a good deal to reward the kid for being such a stand up guy...instead of holding out for every scrap they could get and having the situation backfire on them.
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Body88, what do you think of Pierre Woods? I have not seen much out of this kid since Michigan.
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Body88, what do you think of Pierre Woods? I have not seen much out of this kid since Michigan.
Average stop gap/rotation guy in an emergency. Good special teams player....he will never be a full time starter, imo. I am high on Crable though.
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Average stop gap/rotation guy in an emergency. Good special teams player....he will never be a full time starter, imo. I am high on Crable though.
Yea, i kinda figured that is what he is. I am trying to find out what happened to Earnest Shazor, he was a hell of Linebacker/Strong Safety.
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Yea, i kinda figured that is what he is. I am trying to find out what happened to Earnest Shazor, he was a hell of Linebacker/Strong Safety.
It's weird how often guys don't work out. It's all mental...they all have skills.
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It's weird how often guys don't work out. It's all mental...they all have skills.
He took us to the rose Bowl in 04' and was supposed to be the first safety taken in the draft but got drafted by the Cards and never showed up. Earnest left school early and has disaperred.
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First, I would like to say that I told you so.
Oh please, take a break from the usual statement of the obvious & back-patting. It was kinda obvious to everyone; I forgot, he's an official rep of the Patriots lol. The real question was compensation. "Body" now officially a spokesman for the Patriots, apparently. ::)
Cassel would not have been traded if Brady was not thought to be fine. Also, Bradys backup was drafted last year in the third round ( the highest the pats have ever taken a QB under Bill). Secondly, Mike Vrabel was traded for a third round draft choice. He is 36 years old and playing on the back nine of his career. Thats the favor KC did for NE. Third, Cassel was a UFDA who could have walked either way. They just got the 34th pick in the draft for a sixth round ufda. They now have the 23rd, 34th, 46th, 40th, 66th, 70th and all their day two picks in a great defensive draft. There was a third team involved in this so the deal is not done yet.
You dont always have to get every scrap of money to make something a good deal. Of course Bill did Pioli a slight favor, this is a win - win for everyone. And I bet KC does the pats a favor in the draft. I bet the pats go after Peppers.
Also, the pats might have wanted to send Cassel to a good situation, so they took a good deal to reward the kid for being such a stand up guy...instead of holding out for every scrap they could get and having the situation backfire on them.
One of many opinions. Not entirely convincing.
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corey dillon 2.0
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corey dillon 2.0
I hope so. They cut Jordan, so Taylor seems to be a rotation guy who can carry the load a bit.
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pats aren't fking around this year huh
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can we agree they'll go after a db this yearin the draft
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I guess Brady must be on track to start the season.
Who is Cassel going to throw the ball to in KC?
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I guess Brady must be on track to start the season.
Who is Cassel going to throw the ball to in KC?
dwayne bowe..a monster
possibly tony gonzalez
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Brooking to the cowgirls.
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John Kitna to the cowgirls for Anthony Henry a cb.
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Brian Dawkins got 5 years from the Broncos :o
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G-men going after Micheal Boley from the Falcons.4 year starter only 26.got benched last year for being to aggressive in a read and react defense.
typical Reese.not looking for the big contract big splash player.looking for a solid player while he builds through the draft.
...boring but effective.
Really starting to like this move.frees up where the G-men can go with the draft a little bit.suppose to be bringing in Canty from the cowgirls tomorrow to interview.
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gmen picking up canty :D
6'7'' 300 lb bronx kid...will fit well as 4-3 dt
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gmen picking up canty :D
6'7'' 300 lb bronx kid...will fit well as 4-3 dt
Fuckin A dude! Rocky Bernard and Canty :o
that D line is STACKED!
I would imagine that now they will look WR and safety early in the draft.
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Fuckin A dude! Rocky Bernard and Canty :o
that D line is STACKED!
I would imagine that now they will look WR and safety early in the draft.
i think they will at cb and wr. We have no shutdown cb
we still need SPEED on defense...
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the Ravens have one of the best front offices in the NFL.
based on what?
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Also, the pats might have wanted to send Cassel to a good situation, so they took a good deal to reward the kid for being such a stand up guy
no chance, teams do what is best for them
they don't do favors for "nice guys" that started for one year
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i think they will at cb and wr. We have no shutdown cb
we still need SPEED on defense...
I think they will go WR plus they need some safety help they only have 2 on the roster.they might move the kid they drafted from USC{Terrel Thomas}last year to safety.
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based on what?
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Is this a serious question? The Ravens nearly every year have a solid draft and offseason free agency. Their scouting and personnel department are easily one of the best in the NFL. Ozzie Newsome is a terrific GM. Other than Kyle Boller, how many noteworthy bad draft picks have the Ravens had in their 13 year existence? Ogden, Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, Chris Mcallister, Duane Starks, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs, Joe Flacco, etc. The list goes on. Were any of these guys free agents? NO. Not to mention that the majority of those players contributed to a Super Bowl title. And no, none of those players were drafted by the Browns(before you start with that horse shit).
If you want to point out letting James Harrison get away, then that's a weak argument because no one knew how good he was going to be that early in his career. Wasn't he defensive player of the year at age 30? Talk about a late bloomer. Derek Anderson? 6th round draft choice that the Ravens WANTED to keep but had to clear waivers first because of the league's mandate for a 55 player NFL roster.
Oh, and another thing..if you need further evidence that the Ravens know how to scout talent, even from a coaching point of view.....Look no further than the Ravens decision to hire a SECONDARY coach from the Eagles as their new head coach. All he did was take a team picked to finish next to LAST in their division, take them to the AFC title game, and give the eventual SuperBowl champion Steelers all they could handle for three games tightly contested games.
I know I just melted down but.........Any other questions?
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Is this a serious question? The Ravens nearly every year have a solid draft and offseason free agency. Their scouting and personnel department are easily one of the best in the NFL. Ozzie Newsome is a terrific GM. Other than Kyle Boller, how many noteworthy bad draft picks have the Ravens had in their 13 year existence? Ogden, Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, Chris Mcallister, Duane Starks, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs, Joe Flacco, etc. The list goes on. Were any of these guys free agents? NO. Not to mention that the majority of those players contributed to a Super Bowl title. And no, none of those players were drafted by the Browns(before you start with that horse shit).
If you want to point out letting James Harrison get away, then that's a weak argument because no one knew how good he was going to be that early in his career. Wasn't he defensive player of the year at age 30? Talk about a late bloomer. Derek Anderson? 6th round draft choice that the Ravens WANTED to keep but had to clear waivers first because of the league's mandate for a 55 player NFL roster.
Oh, and another thing..if you need further evidence that the Ravens know how to scout talent, even from a coaching point of view.....Look no further than the Ravens decision to hire a SECONDARY coach from the Eagles as their new head coach. All he did was take a team picked to finish next to LAST in their division, take them to the AFC title game, and give the eventual SuperBowl champion Steelers all they could handle for three games tightly contested games.
I know I just melted down but.........Any other questions?
what about going 6 seasons without a playoff win?
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I think they will go WR plus they need some safety help they only have 2 on the roster.they might move the kid they drafted from USC{Terrel Thomas}last year to safety.
since butler is gone i know kenny phillips will be named a starter and rightfully so, the kids a monster.
i think the gmen are going after braylon edwards
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since butler is gone i know kenny phillips will be named a starter and rightfully so, the kids a monster.
i think the gmen are going after braylon edwards
Rumor on ESPN radio.Kiwi for Edwards.
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what about going 6 seasons without a playoff win?
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What about it? I can name more prominent franchises like the Cowboys and Denver, who haven't won a playoff game in years. The Ravens made up for lost time in hurry with their outstanding playoff run this season.
What about going 25 seasons without a Superbowl win, Earl? You keep up this "6 time, 6 time, 6 time," mantra like the Steelers are the team of the decade or something. two out of four is awesome but the first four titles took place shortly after you were sucking from your momma's titty.
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Rumor on ESPN radio.Kiwi for Edwards.
LOL
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Rumor on ESPN radio.Kiwi for Edwards.
Do you even want Braylon?? I love Braylon but he had blocks for hands last year. The year before he had a monster year but Braylon needs a steady QB.
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What about it? I can name more prominent franchises like the Cowboys and Denver, who haven't won a playoff game in years. The Ravens made up for lost time in hurry with their outstanding playoff run this season.
What about going 25 seasons without a Superbowl win, Earl? You keep up this "6 time, 6 time, 6 time," mantra like the Steelers are the team of the decade or something. two out of four is awesome but the first four titles took place shortly after you were sucking from your momma's titty.
none of those teams have good front offices
yeah i know the steelers went a long time without a super bowl, in the 80's they held on to chuck noll far too long
in the 90's they won several playoff games
all i'm saying is i don't think you can use the word "great" to describe a front office that went 6 years without a playoff win, that is all :)
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Do you even want Braylon?? I love Braylon but he had blocks for hands last year. The year before he had a monster year but Braylon needs a steady QB.
It's just a rumor but I don't think the Giants gm will do anything until after Plaxicos first court appearance in a couple of weeks.
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none of those teams have good front offices
yeah i know the steelers went a long time without a super bowl, in the 80's they held on to chuck noll far too long
in the 90's they won several playoff games
all i'm saying is i don't think you can use the word "great" to describe a front office that went 6 years without a playoff win, that is all :)
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Ok--how about "very good" front office. How's that? 6 years is a long time but the Ravens were stuck with Billick on no offense for what seemed like forever.
The Ravens know how to draft, though....
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I will say this..if the Steelers win it all next year, they should be given serious consideration for team of the decade over the Patriots....
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I will say this..if the Steelers win it all next year, they should be given serious consideration for team of the decade over the Patriots....
probably not, pats still had the 18 - 0 season
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probably not, pats still had the 18 - 0 season
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You mean an 18-1 season, don't you?
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yeah but they were the first to start out 18 -0
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I will say this..if the Steelers win it all next year, they should be given serious consideration for team of the decade over the Patriots....
Very true,and they didn't need to cheat ;)
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Very true,and they didn't need to cheat ;)
Counting down the seconds until Body88 chimes in on that one....... :D
On another note, the Ravens have reached an agreement to re-sign Ray Lewis to a 3 year contract. The Ravens ned to replace Bart Scott with a good free agent LB. They're talking about drafting Laurenitis from OSU but I would much rather prefer that samoan kid fron USC. They would need to trade up to get him though.
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yeah but they were the first to start out 18 -0
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I just don't think it's going to hold as much signifcance because they didn't finish the season as champions. 16-0 is awesome, but like Michael Jordan once said on the eve of winning 72 regular season games.....
"It don't mean a thing without the ring."
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Ravens also sign C Matt Birk from the Vikings to a four year deal. Excellent, excellent free agent pickup. Birk is a little long in the tooth at 32 years old but he is a bona fide pro bowler! He'll make people forget about Jason Brown's departure in a big hurry!
Adrian Peterson will certainly miss his presence.
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I just don't think it's going to hold as much signifcance because they didn't finish the season as champions. 16-0 is awesome, but like Michael Jordan once said on the eve of winning 72 regular season games.....
"It don't mean a thing without the ring."
i think they are the only super bowl loser that will be remembered more than the winner
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i think they are the only super bowl loser that will be remembered more than the winner
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Well...the way I see it, if an undefeated season can happen once, it can certainly happen again. Maybe the next time it happens, that team will get that ring as a cherry on top.
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Well...the way I see it, if an undefeated season can happen once, it can certainly happen again. Maybe the next time it happens, that team will get that ring as a cherry on top.
that's the thing, they are the only team EVER to start out 18 - 0
there's a super bowl winner every year
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